CaroleAndme - so you see the Omecs arrival similar to the blacks - killers and rapists. WOW - I didn't make that connection in my head but thanks for sharing your thoughts on blacks. I think as was said earlier if you want to find racism you'll be able to find naggers everywhere. Let me see, who are the WHITEST people on the show - the two who've killed many, destroyed the arch, slept around and betrayed just about everyone for profit - gee maybe the writers love blacks and hate whites!?! Or maybe only a dumbass makes ASSUmptions.
Season 3 Edit: I kinda wonder what's going on with season 3. New writers? Old writers out of ideas? Not really a great season. A lot of stuff just seemed to happen, well, 'because'... Shape up Sci fi, you have good actors hands down, don't blow it.
Soooo even though Sci-fi is really my favorite television category, I'm always cautious starting a new one because often a potentially good sci-fi gets ruined by either bad actors or poor writing. That having been said...
I think Defiance is Great so far! I would say more, but honestly, if you like sci-fi, just check it out for yourself.
Edit: Lost 3 points for season finale. Won't spoil or anything, but generally a total cliff hanger with zero resolution to first season. Non-stop mysteries with no resolution = worst technique in TV history to get people to come back next season, and only really works on dumb monkeys. I'm always stupefied with how long people stuck with Lost, watched a little, grasped the theme, through it in the garbage...
So anyways, mostly fun season, will probably give it a second chance next season, but if that ends up being the thing I will have to let this show go. Which will be sad, because it has potential.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it disheartens me and I think it is a bit irresponsible to deem an entire show and its producers racist over one connection made, without backing it up with well-stated points, and instead with overgeneralized statements.
The original post I'm referring to:
"This is the most racist show so far for 2015. They take a bunch of black people and paint them a dark shade of purple, but make sure you can still identify them as black, give the the click language of actual African, put them on a ship like the African migrants arriving at the European shores, and then have them be horrible cannibals that feed off white people, and their women being sexual predators. Yeah, the producers might as well be wearing white hoods"
Now let me break this post down for you line by line in an effort to show you why I believe Defiance is in fact NOT a racist show and that this particular review is overblown and reaching for something that's not there. At the end of the day the show is about different races with different backgrounds trying to survive living on one planet together (sound familiar?) It's controversial. Sure, some episodes have let me down, but there have been some great moments, and overall, I think it's a pretty entertaining sci-fi show. But, that's just my opinion. Anywho, back to the point I was making.
Here is my breakdown:
"They take a bunch of black people and paint them a dark shade of purple, but make sure you can still identify them as black" - You mean the TWO black actors who played the Omec? Two. TWO. Not a bunch. And on this show, so far I have seen purple, white, blue, silver-y, and orange/white aliens all who have done terrible things at one point or another. And can you please for the love of God be a bit more specific as to how the producers of the show made sure the viewers could still identify the actors as black, and what you're implying by that? (Please don't answer that)
"give them the click language of actual Africa" - okay cool, the linguists working on the show got inspiration from an African language, just like i'm sure they got inspiration for writing the MANY OTHER alien languages spoken on the show.
"Put them on a ship like the African migrants arriving at the European shores " -Um, it's a fucking show about aliens coming to Earth in spaceships. Literally every species has arrived on a spaceship or ark, please don't make this into more than what it is. It hurts my feelings.
"Have them be horrible cannibals who feed off white people" - how is a black actor playing a purple-skinned cannibalistic alien a racist move? It's a Sci-fi show. About Aliens. Some aliens are good. some are bad. It's acting. Also, if I may be a dick for a second, technically the Omec aren't cannibals because they practice in eating other species (alien species, not white people, even though I'm sure they'd taste delicious).
Women being sexual predators: I had no idea that having a black actress play an overtly sexual alien predator qualified as a racist move as well. What about Stahma's behavior, she's had sexual relations with multiple people on the show too, that ho.
What's funny is that if anything is racist about this show, its the Omec daughters own racism, where she believes she is superior to all other races and that they should be slaves and sexual play pets before being devoured. Ha!
Added Notes: Tommy from last season was black and he was a good guy. Also, some of the different aliens were even played by black actors. (There is a Irathient in some shots who you can tell is played by a black actor)
So there you have it. I really don't think this show is racist. But to each their own!
This show started of interesting but dear lord, the writers are just throwing shit at the wall at this point. Agree with commenters below; racist, rapists, no one to route for, boring as hell in spite of the gore. Adios Defiance.
This is the most racist show so far for 2015. They take a bunch of black people and paint them a dark shade of purple, but make sure you can still identify them as black, give the the click language of actual African, put them on a ship like the African migrants arriving at the European shores, and then have them be horrible cannibals that feed off white people, and their women being sexual predators. Yeah, the producers might as well be wearing white hoods.
This show reminds me of Smallville before Rosenblum left. There is always one thing that happens that doesn't make me wasting my time watching this.
So let me get this straight. Nolan gives a man that he doesn't know, and that NOBODY can vouch for, a weapon and lets this man come with him on a mission.
This same man tells the townfolk to stay huddled in the cave and they obey him because of... reasons. Why would Nolan be ON POINT? If it was a trap then his army would have lost his general. But whatever, we needed redshirts to die for some potential drama down the road. Nolan must have survived the Pale Wars on sheer luck.
Also if the stasis net could be used in such a fashion then there really wasn't much of a threat, was there?
Why not simply bury a transmitter into the ground at all of the entry points as a precaution? Or devise a way to launch the transmitter far enough over the gate? But we needed a way to keep Datak alive, so scratch that.
I did not think that Datak was going to cut off his arm, that was a nice touch. Luckily he timed it PERFECTLY. He has a really good sense of time.
Now for Kindzi, she couldn't have found another way to get rid of Stahma, besides giving her the entire plan? Last week T'evgin was all "fck Defiance", now this week he's all "I've found a home". Who knew pancakes could bring races together
This show has a weird way of downplaying death and focusing on the main characters. Nolan should have questioned the stupidity of his actions for much longer than a few sentences.
The show meanders mostly and has some high points, but this isn't great sci-fi for me. I don't really care about any of the characters. I'm more interested in what happens to the town.
Alien fathers laying with their daughters. And a serial killer being turned on by his decapitated heads while raping and killing his wife. You crossed the line from entertainment to just flat out illegal porn. I hope many left you.
I just finished Binge-watching both Seasons 1&2 and the first 3 episodes of S3 so that is what this review is based upon. I will start by saying OMG this show is Phenomenal. I had nothing to watch since GOT ended and I decided to watch this and thank God for that bc this show killed it in every area. I will start with the story it takes place on Earth in the year 2046 after multiple alien species landed years prior and centers upon Nolan and Irisa in the Town of Defiance. The story is simple but gets even better as time progresses. I will now talk about the cast which is in my opinion the best part. I will credit the 2 best actors in the show that being Nolan played by Grant Bowler and my favorite character Datak who is played by Tony Curran both are astounding actors. I will also say that all of the actors and actresses did an Amazing job of keeping the story engaging. I will now movie onto the action which I will say is sometimes a tad corny but the majority of the time it's Insanely Epic. I would recommend this show in a heart beat and S3 is so far the Best season yet. one of the main villains in S3 called General Rahm Tak who is played by Lee Tergesen is an absolutely mind blowing villain who is now probably just after 3 episodes my favorite villain of any television show to date. Go and Watch this show Now lolz.
VERY disappointed in the choice of xtian music as the final song for the ending of the choice. There were many better choices> Why religious music? It is starting to resemble the xtian silliness that "Lost" descended into, effectively ruining it. Pushing personal beliefs like that makes the show begin to smell bad. I believe in religious freedom, but dislike having it used as a psychological imprint,,,out of place in this show. Have the writers forgotten that sci-fi fans are, as a rule, intelligent and free-minded? If the producers and creators of this show want a real lasting legacy take a clue from Straczynski.
Well they could have gone in lots of directions with the very exciting premise that is Defiances back story, but they decided to make east-enders in space. The greatest sci-fi disappointment ever, nothing ever happens. This show had so much potential and they choked when it came to realizing it. I have spent two seasons willing it to be better, to do something, anything. But the time has come to give up on this turkey.
Since the last season the only thing that has happened is the expansion of the cast otherwise the story still seems to be at square 1. The show establishes a good set up but none of the mysteries about the Votans, humans and other creatures are being covered. The only thing we see is a sort of "Civil War" between the different human-alien races. The casting is "okay" even though the "protagonists" Joshua Nolan(Bowler) and Amanda Rosewater(Julie Benz) seem dull, they are more than compensated by the "Chief Antagonists" the Tarrs esp Jaime Murray who plays Stahma Tarr is simply outstanding. She really makes you hate her. 2014 has been a dull year for TV esp after after some fine shows like "true Detective" and Game of thrones ended none of the shows have been able to fill in the void left by them. Defiance is one such descent "time pass" for that void. It may not be the best but certainly better than anything else offered on TV. The show however has the Potential, they need to move the story forward instead of simply coming up with "futile" and "insignificant" episodes which involve killing of characters which are not even remotely relevant in the show.
The show has it's good points - but it's still got too much hate-and-grubbiness with too little counterbalance from kindness-compassion-friendship-tolerance-and-cleanliness (or at least obvious attempts at creating it). It would be nice to see something real like, just as an example, a farming area so you know where all the food feeding this little town is coming from ... or how about seeing things like a tailer shop in use, or a bakery, etc. Show how this town REALLY accomplishes its day-to-day survival, instead of all this 9-year-old make-believe-tough-guy showboating going on. And a little light humor and happiness shown here and there would be more realistic.
Maybe if the writers take a clue from DeepSpaceNine? Now THERE was a show that knew how to show real interaction between cooperating alien races - and people in general. I was really hoping Defiance would be an ON-PLANET version of that, but am not seeing it so far.
Again - if the writers take a lesson from DS9, this MIGHT turn out to be one of the long-running better series' on TV. I'm still watching and waiting to see this show's potential being reached. It has so MUCH potential, (good characters, but so far it hasn't learned to walk, yet alone run (so far as the ineraction between the characters is concerned).
The story is not too bad, the music though is. And the cuts are annoying - they prevent from liking any of the characters too much, as they interrupt any view into a character by abruptly switching to the next. Thus the actors are not really allowed to show their talent and the story told is kind of shattered. I hope there will be some positive development within season 2, as this show has potential.
When this show first started in season one I figured I would give a shot, since I was so sick of all the cop shows on every damn channel. I needed something different. Defiance sure saved me. The characters are interesting, the time and place works and is original in its own way. There's also enough drama that has nothing to do with fingerprinting or interrogation rooms. I also have to mention the attractive woman they have on the show. The only sad thing about this season is that Irisa's story seems to be fading into the background while everyone else is getting into exciting situations. I hope this show is around for a few more seasons. I'll be tuning in for sure.
This is my new favorite science fiction show. The first season was kind of problematic but season 2 is shaping up to be something amazing. I enjoy a good world build an this show is doing a fine job even for those people like me who do not play the video game. I love the characters, especially the females (Stahma and Amanda are my favorites) I judge a show on the strength of the female cast. This show is better then it has the right to be.
I loved the first season of Defiance but I don't know about this hot mess they have going in season two. They took a show that had a chance to become decent sci fi and made it into a confusing Twin Peaks remake, Each week they try to top themselves in the weird department. They took a show that was going somewhere I would have gone and rebooted it needlessly into a messy salad of too many alien species and some strange quasi-religious theme. Well, fire, walk with me right the heck away from here.
It's embarrassing even for SyFy. It's like Captain Power made his way to our time and learned the basics of Photoshop or whatever they use in movie industry to create cheap glossy effects and crappy textures.
A intriguing background story - the invasion, the various alien races, the terraforming, the war that led to a new world order - left out to show little stories about cops, monsters and ''You feel me?'' tantruns.
What a pity.
Everything interesting that could have been built with that compeling background story of the pilot is lost in a festival of cliches, bad quality of writing and increased destruction of logic and common sense.
This show has Rockne S. O'Bannon all over it. I liked the first season because I like him, and LOVED Farscape. This is not Farscape, but I think it's worth a wait, and am anxious to see Season 2. All the aliens look Human--so to speak--and all the problems listed by others about the show seem reasonable, but. . . . Wait and see. I HATED BSG when it came out until a friend of mine told me to give it another go. Super glad now that I had even though the ending was SO BAD they had to follow up with--what was it, Caprica(?). I'd like to see what O'Bannon could do with Dr. Who. That's another show soon to be too quickly destroyed. Moffat needs to get out of the sand box with the complex stupidity. But again: wait and see where it goes.
I waited 2 months for Defiance to start, I kept my patience in the can and was waiting for something to happen that would just take this show to an interesting level, but after I watched episode 3 ... this show is out - its like watching a diluted version of Mad Max with a pinch of Halloween Aliens, some aliens look like cats, some with a gift wrapper skin but the nastiest are over powdered. All this action is in a junk yard.
Given the shameless hype I expected a clever, well-made Sci-Fi show, but instead got a dystopian soap. There's nothing new here at all, unless you count the alien races. The characters are all well-known stereotypes we've seen countless times before.
Basically it's just an old Western show that's been transported to the future and where some characters have been given heavy make-up. So while I've watched the first season, there's no way I'll bother watching the next one.
Most of the main actors actually do a decent job considering the circumstances (J. Murray seems to play the same type of character in all shows, be it Dexter, Warehouse13 or Spartacus - however she does it well :) ). Irisa is mostly just annoying, she strikes u more like an obstinate teen than an actual alien devouring mother. What irks me about this show are a couple of things. The "aliens" are, as per usual, humanoids with skin paint, colored lenses and some latex pasted onto the face. Anyone w a brain realizes that any actual alien races will NOT look like humans (more convincing aliens can be found in halo, starship troopers, district 9, some species in the mass effect series). This of course is a budgetary issue I guess (CGI costs to much). The storyline is, so far, pretty generic ; outcasts with special abilities (visions), the coming of the big bad (angel of death), individuals vs the state (NY) etc... To me it feels more like a western with aliens, but maybe that will change. Like the music though, reminds me of Firefly (sigh). Overall not great, but better than whats around at the moment . Also, I really like the concept of tying a show to a video game. The best case scenario would be a show that actually follows developments in the game between seasons, but maybe that is too much to ask for...
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