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This show cannot really work

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    althalus69

    [1]Sep 1, 2009
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    Sorry for the drastic opener, but honestly, who thought about this show beforehand?

    You have the astronauts in space and their flashback history on earth...that is it! None of them can die, because there is no replacement possible. The love triangles (seriously people, how many astronauts has Donner slept with?) are already getting very old and there will be no fresh blood ever.

    None of the actors can leave the show, as replacing them is virtually impossible, unless the writers start pulling rabbits out of hats and that is going to sink the ship even faster.

    It's a shame Virtuality didn't make it, that one had a lot more potential.

    Apart from that, I really like the production values, the show looks and feels very expensive.
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    KingofIPirates

    [2]Sep 1, 2009
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    Agreed for the most part.
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    Audiovore

    [3]Sep 4, 2009
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    I believe this will be following Virtuality off into the sunset shortly. http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/09/04/dont-blame-defying-gravitys-bad-ratings-on-lack-of-promotion/26211
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    brygdom

    [4]Sep 5, 2009
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    althalus69 wrote:
    None of the actors can leave the show, as replacing them is virtually impossible, unless the writers start pulling rabbits out of hats and that is going to sink the ship even faster.

    They are already pulling rabbits out of incubators.

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    TidalWaveRider

    [5]Sep 5, 2009
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    Defying Gravity has a great cast, but the writers churn out crap that would get D minus to possibly F plus grades in even the most basic script writing classes. I stopped watching after 4 episodes, all of which were mind-blowingly dull and I'd just like to say that I want those 4 hours of my life back. Why did I stick with it for so long? The premise. An astronaut with a tragic past exploring an unknown planet. It just seemed promising. How could writers **** up a story about exploring space and encountering aliens? If there's one positive about DG, it's that it showed us exactly what NOT to do in a sci-fi show. Like: DON'T pretend you're a science fiction show if you're really just a soap in disguise. DG's main question is which hottie will Ron Livingston choose-- the emotional wreck blondie who has his baby, the horny brunette slut, or his dead wife who may still be alive on Mars. Other questions include: will the fat porno-stasher hook up with the latino chick? Will the married, white brunette bang the married black guy while away from earth? These are positively stupid questions for a sci-fi serial to be running on. Great science fiction is always about asking the deeper questions about the meaning of life and its complexities. The closest DG comes to doing so is having an alien on earth that gives out scary visions and changes DNA-- and that's not thoughtful, just pathetic. Oh, and DON'T: constantly give back story. This is a show that doesn't have a clue about where it's going, so it constantly back tracks with pointless flashbacks that add very little to the show. The whole point of flashbacks is to REVEAL SOMETHING NEW THAT ADDS EXCITEMENT to the storyline. Instead, we see Ron hooking up with Ms. Emotional Wreck Blondie, and then an episode later, we're back to seeing him chase her sometime way back in the past. The training mission flashbacks are even worse, revealing characters to be very one dimensional. Constant flashback scenes of AJ spouting Eastern philosophy or acting naive / innocent, horny brunette whoring it up, fat pornostasher perving it up or failing at something, etc. Is it really a surprise that even the most die-hard fans of this horrible show admit the character development to be repetitive and mindless? And finally, DON'T: find excuses / ways to slow the pace of the show. I've watched episodes where, after 10 minutes, I'd wonder if an hour had passed. That's really how slowly they pace this clunker. It's bad enough that the show has no clue where it's going, so it wastes entire episodes on the crew trying to fix anti-gravity or the water filtration system or some other mundane thing, but do they have to pace it in such a way that makes you wonder if you'd be better off watching someone mow the lawn? This may be the most poorly paced show in television history. The pacing alone may be the reason this show has no future.

    Those who say they like DG are either insane or just trying to look cool by accepting a show no homo sapien being could honestly appreciate. Even the posters on here who say they like DG and its monotonous killjoy episodes have still written comments like, "yes, it's slow" "it will have to do for now" "i'm getting tired of how the character development keeps being repeated" "yes, it's cheesy, but..." and my personal favorite: "there is plot and mystery, even though they may be hard to sustain effectively through the 13 episodes." Lmao. You still like a show that fails to sustain plot (Chris)? I mean, that's such a basic tenet of anything being a show, much less a good one.

    BTW, please stop comparing something as stale, incoherent, and flat-out dumb as DG to Firefly. Firefly was:
    *a show that featured a terrific cast, some of whom have become movie stars
    *a show bursting with creativity to the point of defying genre (I mean, it would be a comedy one minute, a western the next, and a drama-horror the next)
    *a show that featured lovable, authentic characters
    *a show that had dense plotting that was almost too much to handle

    DG was:
    *a show that featured a great cast, some of whom will probably become movie stars
    *a show lacking creativity to the point of becoming inane, pointless, and tedious
    *a show that featured one dimensional characters who are so boring, describing them would be a gigantic waste of time
    *a show that had such sparse plotting that each episode was completely forgettable (I mean, at the end of the hour, you'd be like, "Wow... truly a show about nothing? How did they get this on the air, did Jerry Seinfeld make the pitch?")
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    InvasionFanbOy

    [6]Sep 5, 2009
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    @TidalWaveRider

    its good to see you here, you make very good point about this totally lousy ridiculous crappy garbage tv show, i agree with you 100%. they axed firefly and invasion but throw away money on this totally lousy ridicolus crappy garbage tv show called defying gravity. they should instead listen to their viewers more and continue firefly and give invasion an ending. but noooooo lets throw away the money on garbage, the viewers dont know anything they are morons or house wifes with no will to criticise anything as long there is a handsome man and romantic soap crap. we are fed up of this garbage tv show its an insult, give the money to starving children in africa instead, its of more use there than torturing people with crappy tv shows!
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    TidalWaveRider

    [7]Sep 5, 2009
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    [QUOTE="InvasionFanbOy"]@TidalWaveRider its good to see you here, you make very good point about this totally lousy ridiculous crappy garbage tv show, i agree with you 100%. they axed firefly and invasion but throw away money on this totally lousy ridicolus crappy garbage tv show called defying gravity. they should instead listen to their viewers more and continue firefly and give invasion an ending. but noooooo lets throw away the money on garbage, the viewers dont know anything they are morons or house wifes with no will to criticise anything as long there is a handsome man and romantic soap crap. we are fed up of this garbage tv show its an insult, give the money to starving children in africa instead, its of more use there than torturing people with crappy tv shows![/

    You make a good point about the handsome man and romantic soap crap. I think the execs were trying to eat their cake and have it too. They probably figured soap stuff for the girls, sci-fi for the guys, a clean non-violent show for the kids, a show featuring characters from many different races for the minorities, a show grandparents would like since its slow paced, etc etc... I mean, in exec terms this show probably fit a bunch of demographics. The only problem was the writers can't effectively write for even one of their demographics. It was like entering a farm horse against thoroughbreds in 200 different horse racing derbies, hoping you'd win at least one race since you had jumped into so many, even though your horse sucked donkey balls. This is often why a lot of stupid shows enter television-- the green light is given based on demographics rather than what the show actually has to offer. I also disagree with the people here who claim ABC didn't promote this turd enough. I wouldn't have even bothered with episode 1 if I hadn't seen the teasers, which billed the show as one about space explorers who encounter alien life on Mars. That was the only way to do it, since if they'd actually been truthful and billed it as, "Ron Livingston gets poontang in space," I doubt anyone would have tuned in to give it a chance.

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    trekkie778

    [8]Sep 5, 2009
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    I agree with you OP, I'm really trying to like this show. But through each of the 7 episodes thus far I've fallen asleep. I never do that to any other shows. Just this one is mind-numbingly boring. The premise for each episode blows and the 'mysterious thing' that they are all affected by is getting extremely irritating. Especially in episode 7 where for some unknown reason no one figures to explain what the hell is going on to the crew. Keep going like this and its no wonder the ratings suck. I watch almost any scifi and even I'm considering abandoning this show.
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    elwood160

    [9]Sep 7, 2009
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    I cannot believe the negative feedback that I have just read. This show is a hidden gem. A Sci-Fi show with a great plot, character devolopment, romance, and a budget that allows for greater things to come. The only problem with this show is that no one knows about it.

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    elwood160

    [10]Sep 7, 2009
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    Why do you want a show with a replaceable cast and a script that continues to be based on romantic entaglements that continue to devolve to the point where it is basically a soap opera. Drama is great but there comes a point where you can't hope that everyone on the show has slept with each other. A good plot should be the basis of a show, and it should be complemented with the relationships between the characters and their back stories. So far this show is doing a great job of keeping such a balance. I only wish that it where publicized further and had a bigger following.
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    InvasionFanbOy

    [11]Sep 7, 2009
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    a hidden gem, a sci-fi show with a great plot, are you on drugs??.... i cannot believe all the positive feedback this crap show is getting, it sounds like there is alot of middel aged housewifes watching this crapstick. tidalwaverider did a very good description of this show a couple of post above this one.

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    Zerowinger

    [12]Sep 7, 2009
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    InvasionFanbOy wrote:
    a hidden gem, a sci-fi show with a great plot, are you on drugs??.... i cannot believe all the positive feedback this crap show is getting, it sounds like there is alot of middel aged housewifes watching this crapstick. tidalwaverider did a very good description of this show a couple of post above this one.

    the only crap around here is you, cause Defying Gravity is a really good series and i hope it will go on the way it's doing right now cause i like it a lot.just stop watching it since noone is forcing you to. let us that like it enjoy it insteed.

    Edited on 09/07/2009 1:45pm
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    parmaikai66

    [13]Sep 7, 2009
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    I wouldn't say this show is crap. It definitely falls under that category of shows that you really don't want to admit that you watch, but you do anyway. The cast is good ... the storys are okay and yeah, maybe there are too many flashbacks, but I agree that the characters are real. The set is surprising expensive looking and I like that they haven't gizmoed it up too much. The ship looks like what I would hope our space program would be capable of in the near future. I wonder about stupid stuff: like do they really have enough food aboard that boat to last 6 years and how the do they take showers? And when the heck are the going to get somewhere to explore something besides rabbit embryos? As for Donner sleeping with everybody ... um, he's only slept with Zoe and Nadia and since when is it a crime for a single person to have a fling? That whole Beta thing is a little weird. Is it on the ship or ??? And honestly if I was an astronaut ... there is no way in hell I would go on a space walk with a plastic pumpkin.... even if 10 billion were on the line. I too wonder why people who hate shows keep watching them and then go online to complain. I guess I'm in the minority of people that still watch TV for entertainment purposes and don't get all hung up over stuff that isn't real ... because ... ummm.... isn't that the whole point of FICTION away? If I want to experience real life at its finest .... I'll just go back to work tomorrow.
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    Blueberry29

    [14]Sep 7, 2009
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    One thing I'll never understand is that people who "really hate" shows will tune in to watch them just so they can spend more their "wasted" time bashing them every week online. Personally, I enjoy Defying Gravity - no, its not Firefly calibre, but really? Firefly set the bar really high, and anyone who watches any tv these days can recognize that there's not a whole lot that can compete on equal footing. As to its sci-fi quality, well, no, its not classic sci fi and its certainly not Heinlein, but it's the most interesting show I've seen lately and it is putting an interesting twist on the classic "haunted spaceship" theme. As to the flashbacks... apparently I'm the only one who enjoys them? I love how you are all complaining about the constant repetition of the character development... because personally I find it believable! The shows in which characters suddenly experience massive changes and shifts are garbage - no real person changes that quickly. The whole point of Defying Gravity is that the characters are human. Despite being distant from us in time, space, etc., they act just like any of us would. The flashbacks reveal that humanity of them - their simple, everyday stupid mistakes. The kind that WE make all the time. And before you go categorizing me as a "middle-aged housewife" I'd like to point out I'm actually doing my master's in science. So thanks for insulting my intelligence. (And yes, the "science" or lack thereof in the show is a bit painful, but sometimes you have to make some allowances for the sake of entertainment). With time delays you'd have even less of the relationships you all seem to find lacking!

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    Ibslicer

    [15]Sep 8, 2009
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    I like this show.. but. It is a little slow, a little too many flashbacks, but it is growing on me. The MAIN reason I watch it though is because I love sci-fi and to be honest - the lack of sci-fi on tv nowadays makes me sad. I have talked to a few friends and asked them why they watch it. They said they liked it (without much of an explaination)but when I posed the question that is it because there is not much other sci-fi to watch .. they considered that and reluctantly answered.. YES. The last episode (ep 07) I think is finally taking the story towards the direction most sci-fi viewers like.
    Shows like Threshold (also cancelled) or The 4400 (also cancelled) ran rings around this but ended without a proper conclusion. I do feel though that this show is setting a story that will develop in time (if it is allowed to run a full season). The first season of Babylon 5 was very average but grew to be one of the biggest and best sci-fi shows in history. I'd like to give this show the time to show me more of the story because it is resonably unique in its approach but I do feel that the average todays viewer lacks the patience to find out the true story or plot (as what happened with a show such as KINGS, which turned out to be one of the best shows of the year if a watcher gave it the time to see past the first few episodes). OK, maybe I ranted and was slightly off topic but I still think my opinions had merit.
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    TidalWaveRider

    [16]Sep 8, 2009
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    parmaikai66 wrote:
    I wouldn't say this show is crap. It definitely falls under that category of shows that you really don't want to admit that you watch, but you do anyway.

    The funny thing is, you're right. This is a show that definitely falls under shows you don't want to be caught dead watching. But why would I continue to watch this, if most people who do don't want to admit it.

    parmaikai66 wrote:

    The cast is good ... the storys are okay and yeah, maybe there are too many flashbacks, but I agree that the characters are real. The set is surprising expensive looking and I like that they haven't gizmoed it up too much. The ship looks like what I would hope our space program would be capable of in the near future.

    Sure, the sets look great, and there's a terrific cast but all of that is wasted on stories that are poorly told and mundane. Do we really give a crap about rabbit embryos, Paula's documentaries, or the other loads of inane backstory which usually involve someone getting drunk at a bar or making pointless small talk at a bus stop, or some other frivolous thing. Most of the details in DG are meaningless and, unlike Lost or X-Files, the flashbacks take away from the excitement rather than add to it.

    parmaikai66 wrote:

    I wonder about stupid stuff: like do they really have enough food aboard that boat to last 6 years and how the do they take showers? And when the heck are the going to get somewhere to explore something besides rabbit embryos? As for Donner sleeping with everybody ... um, he's only slept with Zoe and Nadia and since when is it a crime for a single person to have a fling? That whole Beta thing is a little weird. Is it on the ship or ??? And honestly if I was an astronaut ... there is no way in hell I would go on a space walk with a plastic pumpkin.... even if 10 billion were on the line. I too wonder why people who hate shows keep watching them and then go online to complain. I guess I'm in the minority of people that still watch TV for entertainment purposes and don't get all hung up over stuff that isn't real ... because ... ummm.... isn't that the whole point of FICTION away? If I want to experience real life at its finest .... I'll just go back to work tomorrow.

    It's not that it's morally wrong for Donner to bang anything that walks. It's that Donner banging people is the best thing this show has to offer... which is pathetic. Plus it's not realistic. Sex in a zero G environment. Now you're referencing space walking with a plastic pumpkin, which I haven't seen but sounds like a stupid enough stunt DG would try to pull. How big is this plastic pumpkin? If it's made out of plastic, then it's pretty light. I don't know why you'd think carrying that would be scary or why carrying it would save 10 billion, but you've unwittingly provided us with another example of really bad writing. A failure like DG being on TV at a time when other great sci-fi shows were cast aside is especially irritating for someone who loves science fiction, and the fact that DG has terrible ratings proves this show has no future. So why watch a horrid show that is going to be canceled as soon as ABC possibly can? I too wonder why people who hate shows keep watching. I certainly don't. Save yourselves.

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    TidalWaveRider

    [17]Sep 8, 2009
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    Ibslicer wrote:
    The MAIN reason I watch it though is because I love sci-fi and to be honest - the lack of sci-fi on tv nowadays makes me sad.


    I agree... that's the only reason I gave DG a chance, sadly. It seems network execs are ignoring the sci-fi genre all together, which is a shame since sci-fi has a huge, untapped market. Have the Comic-Cons taught our programmers nothing? Worse, when they do pick a sci-fi show, they pick the wrong ones-- a clunker like DG which not surprisingly fails in ratings. This helps keep the status quo of very few sci-fi shows on T.V.

    Ibslicer wrote:
    I have talked to a few friends and asked them why they watch it. They said they liked it (without much of an explaination)but when I posed the question that is it because there is not much other sci-fi to watch .. they considered that and reluctantly answered.. YES. The last episode (ep 07) I think is finally taking the story towards the direction most sci-fi viewers like.


    Bingo. There's nothing else to watch so we either have to make due with / pretend we like total crap like DG or just ignore our favorite genre altogether.

    Ibslicer wrote:
    Shows like Threshold (also cancelled) or The 4400 (also cancelled) ran rings around this but ended without a proper conclusion. I do feel though that this show is setting a story that will develop in time (if it is allowed to run a full season). The first season of Babylon 5 was very average but grew to be one of the biggest and best sci-fi shows in history. I'd like to give this show the time to show me more of the story because it is resonably unique in its approach but I do feel that the average todays viewer lacks the patience to find out the true story or plot (as what happened with a show such as KINGS, which turned out to be one of the best shows of the year if a watcher gave it the time to see past the first few episodes). OK, maybe I ranted and was slightly off topic but I still think my opinions had merit.


    Babylon 5 turned up the juices and invented the concept of progressive storylines. Most show back then produced episodes that were stand alones instead of adding to a progressing storyline. I have incredible respect for that show.

    But do we want most shows following the Babylon 5 model of a crap-tastic first season, while people just cross fingers and pray that it gets better? I for one am glad that in the 20 - 30 years of television that have passed since that show was created, t.v. writers have been improving by leaps and bounds. I am thrilled that we can expect and deserve brilliant episodes from start to finish. The writers don't have to tell us everything-- in fact, I don't want them to. But they do have to make whatever happens in an episode compelling and riveting. DG has failed at that time and again.
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    Blueberry29

    [18]Sep 11, 2009
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    TidalWaveRider wrote:

    Do we really give a crap about rabbit embryos, Paula's documentaries, or the other loads of inane backstory which usually involve someone getting drunk at a bar or making pointless small talk at a bus stop, or some other frivolous thing.



    .... I liked the rabbit embryo.
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    billgoldberg1

    [19]Sep 13, 2009
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    elwood160 wrote:

    I cannot believe the negative feedback that I have just read. This show is a hidden gem. A Sci-Fi show with a great plot, character devolopment, romance, and a budget that allows for greater things to come. The only problem with this show is that no one knows about it.

    I agree.

    It's a great show. The characters devolopment is superb.

    For me it's the best show on tv at the moment.

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    billgoldberg1

    [20]Sep 13, 2009
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    InvasionFanbOy wrote:
    a hidden gem, a sci-fi show with a great plot, are you on drugs??.... i cannot believe all the positive feedback this crap show is getting, it sounds like there is alot of middel aged housewifes watching this crapstick. tidalwaverider did a very good description of this show a couple of post above this one.

    If you don't like it, don't watch.

    What we have here is anything a good sci-fi show should have.

    The characters are great, and the actors do a good job.

    We see them how they get to the point in their lives where they are at now, due to the flashbacks.

    The desicions they make relate to their previous experiences.

    Then we have a fantastic mission and a big mistery (alien?).

    It's a bit similar to Lost. No stand alone episodes, but instead 1 big story, combined with multiple side stories. Then there is the big mystery (The Island, Beta) and the great character development.

    As for the middle aged housewifes audience. I'm a22 year old male, working in a warehouse.

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