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8.12 - "What's the Good of Being Good?" Episode Discussion

Who was the "weakest link" in this episode?

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    RenatoB

    [1]Jan 22, 2012
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    Today, January 22, 2012, ABC will premiere episode 8.12 (169 overall) of Desperate Housewives, titled "What's the Good of Being Good?". The episode was written by Jason Ganzel and directed by Ron Underwood. Discuss it here.


    Summary:


    Bree's life continues to spiral out of control as her alcohol consumption rises - along with her lust for men. In the meantime, Lynette goes out on her first date since separating from Tom... with Renee's hairdresser. Alejandro's current wife suspects foul play is afoot and has a confrontation with Susan, whereas Gabrielle discovers that Alejandro also abused his other step-daughter, Marisa. Ben has special plans in store for Renee.



    Guest stars include Patrick Fabian as Frank, Justina Machado as Claudia Sanchez, Daniela Bobadilla as Marisa Sanchez, Cameron Mathison as Greg, Dakin Matthews as Reverend Sikes and Sal Landi as the loan shark.


    Supporting regulars Kathryn Joosten as Karen McCluskey and Mason Vale Cotton as MJ Delfino also appear.

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    RenatoB

    [2]Jan 22, 2012
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    You guys wouldn't believe the trouble it is to come up with these... I can't copy-paste, I have to write every word myself otherwise that lowsy "tag span class" whatever error appears. XS
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    Zazawie

    [3]Jan 22, 2012
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    Not the loan shark again! Oh God, why?Tongue out

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    RenatoB

    [4]Jan 22, 2012
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    Eh, eh, I remember you writing something about the actor not being believable... yep, he's in this episode and at least one more. I have absolutely no idea why. I wonder what'll come of that, I was actually a bit scared for Mike when he asked for confirmation on his name...
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    MauricioMaranto

    [5]Jan 22, 2012
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    At first I was pissed when I read about Bree gone wild but they have done it in such a perfect way.

    This episode was GREAT.
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    StylishCandy

    [6]Jan 22, 2012
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    better than last weeks...i was kind of hoping for another note or signs of that stalker ,but oh well


    lynette: oh my god, lynette; what the hell is wrong with you? you basically tell the guy he's an average failure on the first date when he doesn't accept your unwelcomed advice? i mean...seriously. can't lynette just find a guy instead of itbeing about how she's so controlling, blah blah, this is why tom left, blah blah? and lynette's baby voice was annoying. i really, really hated this part, which kind of ruined the otherwise good episode for me.


    bree: ...wow. i actually liked this story, despite being shocked. now she enjoys being the town bicycle? whoa. reverend sikes following her to the bar was funny.


    susan/gabby: first of all...gabby, why the hell are you still mad at bree, for who knows what anymore, but you're not mad at susan? and really, susan, i do love your character, but "how did you find me?" did you not remember you wrote a check? however, this story was really good. that girl who plays marisa is a good actress. and when claudia said at the end, "i think you should get rid of that", knowing that was from alejandro's murder...that was creepy. but good.


    renée: i'm glad ben realized that what he was doing was wrong, but now i feel bad for renée [although, in all fairness, we've seen them together in like, three or four episodes, tops, i think]. and now the loan shark knows where mike lives -and- is interested in renée! i bet ben won't be able to pay him back, so he'll go after renée or something.


    i wanna see the next episode next week D: hmm...weird that they showed julie in the preview, but not orson. bree slapping that guy was awesome, though

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    RenatoB

    [7]Jan 22, 2012
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    This episode was FRICKING AMAZING!!! I LOVED, LOVED, LOVED IT! Season 8 is on a roll!

    I have to say I am glad that there haven't been many sneak peeks lately. It feels so great watching an episode without knowing just what is going to happen. I was seldom bored watching the teaser from having seen it before, but it was great to get it out of the way, and at least Mary Alice's v.o. was awesome. That thing about Bree's hostessing abilities, it was clever, well developed and insightful in regards to the character. She doesn't get many good v.o.'s recently, so that one was indeed a win. Also, her other narrations were good as well. Anyway, I'm loving Bree's story. Absolutely loving it. I had no idea I would love it so much, it's crazy, but it's been so ably handled thus far and so amazingly juicy. Like, one of the juiciest things the show has done in recent years. They've crossed the boundaries, and the juice is pouring. I love it! Marcia was outstading all throughout this stellar episode, and I am actually now really looking forward to seeing this story pan out, as opposed to how dreadful I thought it would be. Love it! That church scene at the end... amazing! And I loved that Reverend Sikes followed her to the bar, it showed a new dynamic to their relationship we'd never seen before. This episode spoke so much about Bree's character. Well, about all the characters, really, it just resonated so true to them. And the writing was snappy and fun, and very insightful in the dramatic scenes. Jason Ganzel did a bang-up job with this episode. It truly was outstanding. And the music... EVERYTHING!!! I loved this damn episode so much! XP

    Renee, Renee... was she the star of the episode or what? I'm sure she got more screentime than Susan or Gaby. She had her own thing going on, she was a part of Lynette's story, and a small part of Gaby's... she was really very well used, as she has been lately. Vanessa Williams is super talented, and that should be acknowledged more often. She has made the character so much fun, and Renee Perry has really grown on me and the rest of the fans, as opposed to how sadly disappointing she was when she first joined the cast. I loved that Ben's story with the fake proposal didn't drag for longer, and I am actually scared for the characters (Ben, Mike, Renee... mobsters creep me out ). I wonder what will come of this story, I'm sure some big bad will pop up and try to whack someone soon. I'm scared. And intrigued. I am. The show has made me feel that way again, and I am fricking proud.

    Lynette, Lynette, Lynette... perhaps the biggest downer of the episode, which isn't to say it wasn't enjoyable. Felicity was amazing as usual (I liked the baby and brittish voices), and I was actually smiling while watching her scenes almost all the way through the episode, and I actually LOLed when she kept saying "although" during the dinner scene. I'm surprised she and Frank ended on a bad note, aren't they supposed to get together in the next episode? Anyway, this story wasn't exactly new territory, but it does seem to be putting something to bed, and it does speak for the character of Lynette. So, I'll take it.

    Susan and Gaby... the part of the episode I was looking forward to the most, and it did not disappoint. Eva was great, Teri was great, Daniela was great, and Justina was outstanding. One of the best guest stars this show has had. She nailed bitchy and heartbroken perfectly. Amazing. I just wish the dramatic scenes could be carried out for longer, they just seem to end so suddenly by the act breaks. I know people keep saying Susan's stupid and what-not, but... she's just so purely kind-hearted. I really think she's the nicest of all housewives. She's not as self-centered as Gaby, or as controlling as Lynette, or as judgmental as Bree. She's Susan, and she's the sweetest. And what she did for the Sanchez family... it was risky, yes, but she did it with the best of intentions, and what's important is how things turned out. Marisa is safe from harm, and Claudia is no longer under the illusion that her husband was an angel. Great stuff.

    This season... it's winning me over so bad. Every single episode, at least since the fifth, has been so juicy and surprising and fun. The comedy is top-notch, the dialogue is well-written, the mystery is compelling, and the drama is touching. "Desperate Housewives" has still got it, and I can't wait for next week's episode and the ones that follow it, although I certainly don't want this show to end. But if it is ending, I can see it really going out on a high note, judging by this string of great episodes.
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    RenatoB

    [8]Jan 22, 2012
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    Seriously, the dialogue was so much fun in this episode. I love how Renee totally buys that Carlos was freaked out because Celia's a handful. And Jane's a slut. Hee. And Bree's back on the "yahoo" juice. Double hee.
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    stellarchick86

    [9]Jan 22, 2012
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    Wow, Im always the opposite of you guys because I loved last weeks and thought this weeks was a bit boring. I loved the Gabby/Susan/Marissa/the mother whose name Im blanking on at the moment scene. Very very good and I wonder what is going to happen next week. But the rest of it was a bit too slow for me. I remember at one point thinking "there's only got to be 10 minutes left" and I check on the Tivo and it says "30 minutes". I also get sick of the "Lynette is such a biatch because she gives constructive criticism" thing where as lets face it, Rene and Gabby have their moments. Still a good episode and love this season so far, but it definitely wasn't one of my fave episodes. Id give it a 8/10.
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    shenbrat

    [10]Jan 22, 2012
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    stellarchick86 wrote:
    I also get sick of the "Lynette is such a biatch because she gives constructive criticism" thing where as lets face it, Rene and Gabby have their moments.


    I definately think Lynette was in the wrong, but it did kind of seem like she was called out on it as if it was a Lynette specific thing.
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    kingoffheg

    [11]Jan 23, 2012
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    Great episode! Better than last week's and continues the season's hot streak of compelling episodes.


    Lynette: My least favorite of the night, obviously. I was happy to find Lynette going on a date but the outcome was really predictable and has been done many times before, didn't Lynette realize that she was controlling when her sister visited earlier this season as well? Anyway, I hope from now on we only have new storylines for Lynette and none of this rehashed stuff.


    Renee: Love her!! She's being utilized properly this season, that's for sure. Her one-liners were fantastic and the proposal scene was heartbreaking, although I hoped that she'd be more angry after discovering the truth; I was waiting for her to slap Ben or something. Speaking of whom, I am excited to see how this mobster stuff will play out! I'm certain that Mike is going to be at the center of it all.


    Gabby/Susan: This was a fantastic storyline. I basically loved each and every scene but I was surprised that Gabby wasn't so furious once she found the small posters. It was especially touching when Marissa confessed the truth to her mother and just the way Gabby reacted to it all, there was definitely great acting from everybody involved. The very last scene was my favorite though, when the mother asked Gabby to get rid of the "red wine stained" carpet!


    Bree: Wow, I freaking love her. "Slutty Bree" is more in-character than any other variation of her character we've had in the last few years! This has turned out to be an amazing storyline. The sluttiness is no more than a portal to delve deeper into her character. I was pleasantly surprised by the bar scene with Reverend Sykes because Bree has never given up on her faith this way before, so this is definitely new territory for her. I also enjoyed her interactions with Karen McClusky but I'm surprised that she hasn't told the other housewives about her drinking problem, they need to do an intervention and fast! Of course, it also goes without saying that the last scene in church was the best of the episode. The way the confrontation happened and how she admitted that the other woman right and then her final comment about the gossip, it was all PERFECT. I am most excited about this storyline now and hope to see how everything turns out.


    I can't believe that the show is going to be over in a few months, but I'm more than happy that we are being provided with such an amazing concluding season. I really hope it only gets better from now on.


    Oh and by the way, did they air a promo for the next episode? I can't find anything on youtube but someone here mentioned a preview...

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    RenatoB

    [12]Jan 23, 2012
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    Check out SpoilerTV for the promo.
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    Edie70

    [13]Jan 23, 2012
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    Finally a good episode after last weeks boring one. The best thing about it was that Renee had a decent amount of screentime, Ben surprised me in a good way, Susan had a limited screentime and Mike had one scene with no lines LOL!
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    Zazawie

    [14]Jan 23, 2012
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    I don't think they could've had a better episode to go on a break with: definitely continues season 8's hot streak!


    --Susan--


    She didn't have a lot to do in this one, but I liked the secondary role she played in Gaby's story. It wasn't necessary to give her some random sideplot and I'm glad they didn't. But I felt like that emotional scene with Marissa would've worked better with Gaby, since we sadly didn't see those two bond over the fact they're both molested by the same man.


    --Bree--


    "Have you considered covering your lemons?" God, the writing was fantastic this episode, especially all the jokes in Bree's storyline. I have to admit I didn't like the thought of Bree going wild again and last week disappointed a bit, but Marcia gave one hell of a performance and it's obvious she needed a challenge after playing stuck up Bree for such a long time. The final scene was great and I loved that they brought in the church in the entire aspect. Great to see Bree do some soul-searching, but it looks like it could get ugly.


    --Lynette--


    Also, great storyline. It's something very true to the character to judge people on first sight and suggest improvements like she did with Frank here. Not necessarily an original story, but it was refreshing to not see Tom involved for once and see Lynette just make the same mistake all over again.


    --Renee/Ben--


    I kind of saw it coming, but I was so glad when the engagement was broken off immediately. It gives Ben a sympathetic/human side and since that scene about her mother two weeks ago, I'm looking forward to Vanessa having more drama material. Only downside is that this was an opportunity to finally involve her in Alejandro's death and it didn't happen. But overall a very good storyline: Vanessa's delivery continues to impress me.


    --Gaby--


    Now I think of it, the husbands really were set aside this week, right? No Tom, no Carlos and barely any Mike. Not that I'm complaining, this one was great too. The blood stain seemed a bit useless and the renovation was just there to give the episode a theme, but I liked it. Justina Machado brought out some bitchiness and it was great! Most importantly the flyers spread all over the street: it's been a long time since DH made me laugh and have me amazed at the same time. I hope we haven't seen the last of Alejandro's family, the last scene does seem to imply they might come back at some point.



    A great episode and especially Marcia and Vanessa impressed me with their delivery. Too bad we have to wait three weeks for another dose of DHFrown

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    Zazawie

    [15]Jan 23, 2012
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    Another series low in the ratings: 2.6 A18-49 and 7.46 million viewers


    But considering it was up against a huge football game, DH did pretty well.

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    Edie70

    [16]Jan 23, 2012
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    I expected far worse. At least it is not in the 6 million area. At this point I doubt they can do more than 10 million for series finale.
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    NiallB31

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    I think the show held up well considering it was up against an audience of 51 million with NFC championship.


    But the next episode airs against the Grammys Awards, so I do expect to hit 6 million.


    And as for the final episode, I really cant tell now. Need to see what the next few episode bring in.

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    Jemadari

    [18]Jan 23, 2012
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    Really!?, people weren't feeling Lynette this episode, she was my favorite sure the drama aspect didn't offer much but the comedy was unrivaled,that date was epic, what she needs is to find herself a fledging politician who shares her unyielding ambition


    Gaby/Susan - So-So but I did like how the writers alluded Alejandro's fate to his wife without saying the words and how she handled it


    Ben/Renee - Don't care for either character, so theres that


    Bree - Not sure how I feel about the "new" Bree but I do love character development so hats off on that front

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    StylishCandy

    [19]Jan 23, 2012
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    oh, and i thought it was funny when gabby mentioned "the" room and renée was like "why would he be uncomfortable in this room?". i hope renée does eventually find out, though. [since, you know. the whole neighborhood pretty much knows or will know, at this point ]


    and i can't believe im saying this, but...i think i likerenée more than edie. i still miss edie, though. and i'm happy renée somewhat gets her own storylines this season, almost like being one of the wives, instead of just being the wives' friend.

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    Mattsterzz

    [20]Jan 23, 2012
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    I only managed to watch the first 15 min, and then later the last 15 mins. I hope there wasnt anything major inbetween that, anyway, what a great episode! I loved the whole scene between Gabby, Claudia and Marissa. It was really moving. And also I loved the Bake sale scene, Bree has really gone off the rails big time now, but what I love about it though is that she still left the place with her head held high. And thats what I love about Bree. 8.5/10
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