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Spoiler, ep 2, I know who the serial killer is

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    palle007

    [1]Jul 8, 2013
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    It is Debra. She has also been brainwashed by that doctor at some point. So Dexter must kill Debra :-)

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    q666

    [2]Jul 15, 2013
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    To me it seems obvious that Dr. Vogel is the serialkiller. Maybe she is a schizophrenic and serialkiller in her is slowly taking over more of her time. I realy hope that it's somebody else but usualy we get to see at least a part of the serialkiller aswell and this season, nothing at all...
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    nutcrackr

    [3]Jul 17, 2013
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    It doesn't really make sense for it to be Debra. The timelines don't add up and the show isn't trying to hint that it may be possible.


    It doesn't make sense that Vogel is the killer either; since she sees gifts placed outside her door. The only way that makes sense if she has split personality disorder and can't remember when she's a killer. It doesn't really explain how Vogel managed to hoist a guy on a fish hook, hoist him down and shoot him through the head. She would need help. I think vogel is too obvious as the killer and thus is the red herring.


    It's probably somebody that hasn't been introduced to the audience yet.

    Edited on 07/17/2013 9:18pm
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    q666

    [4]Jul 19, 2013
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    Well i hope she is the red hering, but since we know the brain surgeon forced other people to do his dirty work for him/her it is not to much of a strech to suppose Vogel manipulated/forced somebody else to do the removal of the body or help her in the task.

    However Vogel would make perfect sense as the killer, she'd be the ultimate Soziopath, so adapt at hiding in plain sight that she can work with the police and write book about psychopaths, even manipulate dexter without getting caught. It would be so easy to make her the super villain. The storyline is leaning towards the conclusion that dexter was no pyschopath as a kid and that she made him the way he is by convincing harry to implement the code. As a kicker it could be revealed that harry realized what she was and that in fact his was death was no suicide, but her using the medication she herself proscribed him. As his therapist she could have easily painted it as a suicide afterwards.
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    ashkerin

    [5]Jul 19, 2013
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    @q666: That's certainly an interesting theory and the story telling logic makes perfect sense. There is something definitely fishy about Vogel. If she is the killer and she is controlling someone or a number of people (ex-patients), is it just to get Dexter's attention? It would certainly be a good way of re-entering Dexter's life but why now? It could be a red herring and hopefully we will find out more in the next episode. Regardless of whether she is or isn't a killer her motives aren't really that clear.


    On the point about Dexter not being a psychopath, the reason Harry took him to see Vogel was because he was killing animals etc. Surely there would be a big difference between Dexer having some other problems like PTSD (from being left in a big pool of your mother's blood) and budding psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies as a small child? I'm not fully convinced on that but your tentative plot does gel together so nicely. That would be an excellent reveal.


    On another point, I am quite disturbed by Vogel's blanket refusal to see Dexter's emotions as actual feelings because "it doesn't fit the model". Nothing is ever that straightforward. If you are right about Dexter not being born a psychopath she could be trying to stamp out his very real emotions because she is trying to keep him "perfect". On the other hand, she could be one of those people who thinks they are always right.

    Edited on 07/19/2013 8:07am
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    q666

    [6]Jul 19, 2013
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    As to why now? Maybe she wanted to check in as a pround mother with her creation "the bay harbor butcher".

    As to why she does the kiiling? I would think it would be partly to show her dominance and partly to draw him closer. It is impressive how easily she managed to position hereself in the middle of his private and proffessional life plus getting him to be open up and trusting to the point that he delivers his own sister in chains to her. I could imagine Dexter being her experiment to creat an psychopath threrefor she might see him as a son in the spirit or her creature. Often her questions towards why he does or does not do things are diguised with the addition "not that i would ever advocate such a thing" or somthing simular.

    There are dark thoughts and tendencies in a lot of personality disorders, by reinforcing Harrys own fears that Dexter could be a psychopath she could have managed to use Harry to turn dexter into one by projecting that image onto him in the formative years of childhood when the selfimage is fully developed.

    It could have worked, but since Deb viewed Dexter as her dependable loving brother, her influence prevented him to fully turn and detach from normal emotional connection. Ever since Vogel enterd the scene she has worked tirelessly to break that bond and to seperate the two.

    With the introduction of his and hers brain sample ther is also the possibiliy for an hommage to psycho, her madness personified in an dead male relative.
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    ElenaHerron

    [7]Jul 19, 2013
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    It's clearly Vogel. She's playing Dex like a fiddle! She is systematically having him eliminate those she experimented on so no one can tell the world she's a specialist on psychopaths because she is herself a psychopath. She has molded others the same way she and harry molded Dexter into a killer. She told Dex he's perfect, that's because she believes the world belongs to the psychos. If I don't learn she's been threatening herself I'll be very surprised, though it's possible I suppose that one of the kids she messed with now wants revenge. I still believe she is leading Dex, and now Deb, down a very dark road. It looks like she's gonna manipulate Deb as well, mostly because Deb is the only thing standing in Vogel's path tohave Dex under her total control. Hope he realizes before it's all too late!

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    qtwanderer

    [8]Jul 19, 2013
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    These are all highly in-depth posts and to be honest makes me rethink who I thought was the killer with all the good points. I think Vogel but can't help but feel she is the distraction. But I doubt it Debra.
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    jcamo

    [9]Jul 21, 2013
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    Well, if you think about it carefully, Vogel could well be the killer. She is always in disbelief of Dexters human emotions and is fascinated by them, because she herself cannot feel and she is a pschopath expert so she thinks she knows all there is to know. And when Dexter uses the syringe on Deb, Vogel just says "interesting", like she is learning how Dexter does it so easily. But I think she does have a split personality.

    However, it says in the description for Episode 5 that Vogel comes into contact with the Brain Surgeon, so either it will show us "the other side of Vogel" or it will be someone completely different. I personally think they should have left Brian (Dexters brother) for the final season, like killing his own blood brother for season finale would be pretty epic.
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