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    spikemaniac

    [101]Oct 14, 2009
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    michael_LB92 wrote:
    We know he was a soldier... or something.

    Well that flash we got of him being all soldier-y in "Needs" could have been an engagement... I don't think it was very clear.
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    buffyTVSrox

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    spikemaniac wrote:
    michael_LB92 wrote:
    We know he was a soldier... or something.

    Well that flash we got of him being all soldier-y in "Needs" could have been an engagement... I don't think it was very clear.


    Maybe he's a soldier who loves hats. Does he love hats? I think he's just at the Dollhouse to look for a hat. He should check the wardrobe department.

    Crichton looks silly in that collar. Thankfully Harvey is keeping him safe from the mind cleansing.

    Wait, you're not Dollhouse...
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    michael_LB92

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    spikemaniac wrote:
    michael_LB92 wrote:
    We know he was a soldier... or something.

    Well that flash we got of him being all soldier-y in "Needs" could have been an engagement... I don't think it was very clear.

    I think you mean Echoes. Or maybe I'm getting confused with episodes...
    I didn't think of that. I suppose so, seeing as Sierra's flashback was during her time in the Dollhouse. It would be cool if Victor (or whatever his name is) couldn't actually speak English. Like his character was a Russian guy who got imported to America for LA's Dollhouse.
    MAKE THEM DO THAT.
    Oh wait, but in Needs they had their original personalities, didn't they? But without their memories? I don't know. This show is crazay.
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    fatfreeoreos

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    Yeah Viktor was very mysterious in Needs as well. Sierra knew why she had been sent there, Caroline had the personality we mostly knew, Madeline remembered her baby. Viktor showed no definite signs as to why he'd be there. I think there might be something more to his thing with Adelle.
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    Vesper-Lynd

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    The soldier thing could make sense. Perhaps the post-traumatic stress was getting to him and he couldn't handle it anymore? In "Needs," he seemed like a very military type, coming up with the plan, talking about the tactical... something (I forget his exact words, but it was AWESOME). It would be so cool if the Soldier Imprint on the other Doll in the garage was actually Victor's original personality. Random and pointless, but cool nonetheless.
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    The_Dude14

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    I don't suppose that I need to go into detail, as it seems I'm with the majority, here, this was a really good episode. Plus, for an episode that isn't necessarily a comedy episode, I'll be damned if I didn't have quite a few hard chuckles, throughout.

    My one disappointment would be the lack of Alexis Denisof.

    Definately thought Ballard killed the crazy dude.

    How does a college English Professor afford an engagement?

    I do find myself slightly annoyed that everything always seems to have to connect to Echo (kinda like everything that happens for seven years at Hogwarts has to connect to Harry), Victor as Kiki made it all totally worth it.

    Now here's an interesting moral dilemma, in regards to the nutjob. Why couldn't the Dollhouse "fix" him? Go into his brain and make him not crazy. It seems like something they could pull off. It certainly seems to be something that would be more likely to keep their client happy, if not something he would encourage (seeing as how moral fiber didn't exactly seem to be his strong suit either). Would doing so be more or less ethical than killing him?

    Just something that crossed my mind.

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    Vesper-Lynd

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    The_Dude14 wrote:
    Now here's an interesting moral dilemma, in regards to the nutjob. Why couldn't the Dollhouse "fix" him? Go into his brain and make him not crazy. It seems like something they could pull off. It certainly seems to be something that would be more likely to keep their client happy, if not something he would encourage (seeing as how moral fiber didn't exactly seem to be his strong suit either). Would doing so be more or less ethical than killing him?

    Just something that crossed my mind.

    I think, Topher said that his crazy homicidalness was attributed to something in his brain physically as opposed to something that could be controlled by wipes, which is more a of a electrical brain nerve synapse thing.
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    buffyTVSrox

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    The_Dude14 wrote:
    How does a college English Professor afford an engagement?


    Maybe it's old family money? He could have had really rich parents/grandparents. Or maybe a big inheritance. Or both.
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    fatfreeoreos

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    Maybe it's a very prestigious college and he's got amazing tenure.
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    lazyjay

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    fatfreeoreos wrote:
    Maybe it's a very prestigious college and he's got amazing tenure.

    I just saw this on Whedonesque...

    some random person wrote:
    The answer is on Ballard's "mission tablet" when Echo is being prepped. In addition to the mission type and a profile on Kiki, there is a client profile:

    CLIENT INFORMATION
    D.O.B: 02-12-1951

    OCCUPATION: Professor Of English Literature, Clairfield College
    Best-Selling Author of Non-Fiction English History

    EDUCATION: Doctorate, English Literature, University of Oxford

    REQUESTS: Female Caucasian Student, Seduction Fantasy

    As a best-selling author, it is plausible for him to afford an Active.
    Edited on 10/15/2009 1:15am
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    michael_LB92

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    Still, Echo's character wasn't much more than your average gold-digger. It's not like she loved him, she just wanted a good grade. I don't always like that aspect of the show. Imprints are fun, but not always logical. Too many sex clients, not enough actually-doing-something-useful engagements.
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    buffyTVSrox

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    michael_LB92 wrote:
    Imprints are fun, but not always logical.


    Sexual fantasies often are that way. People have a lot of strange desires formed by their bizarre psychologies, and logic is often thrown out the window in order to give into sexual desires.

    michael_LB92 wrote:
    Too many sex clients, not enough actually-doing-something-useful engagements.


    This I agree with. The Dollhouse could be so much more interesting if it were 50% less hooker factory and instead 50% more varied. There could be such interesting things the Dollhouse could be used for that we never see.
    Edited on 10/15/2009 6:13am
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    fatfreeoreos

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    The really should have said that best-selling-author thing out loud.
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    lazyjay

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    fatfreeoreos wrote:
    The really should have said that best-selling-author thing out loud.

    Yep. From what I remember it wasn't even implied.
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    fatfreeoreos wrote:
    The really should have said that best-selling-author thing out loud.


    I agree. Everything would have made more sense then with regard to the finances.
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