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Official Discussion Thread - "Getting Closer"

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    michael_LB92

    [61]Jan 10, 2010
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    Because the whole Claire/Boyd thing happened off-screen, the scene felt a little over-the-top. But who the hell knows what's going on with either of those characters?
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    VConn

    [62]Jan 10, 2010
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    Okay firstly to address a few points on here Boyd has to be the co-leader of Rossum not just his body being hijacked, Chuck(Was his name Chuck?) said that he and his partner created Chuck 2.0 to be him with some ambition or whatever added and Chuck 2.0 said himself in this episode he was something more like the fifth body to be used, Chuck(original) said that his partner and Chuck 2.0 screwed him and put him in the attic - No-one ever mentioned that the partner had imprinted himself elsewhere, What I can't figure out even after seeing this episode is why the hell has he spent so much time helping Echo and the L.A. Dollhouse in general and in their quest to destroy Rossum if it is in fact his plans that end up destroying the world? Not to mention he is obviously the one who arranged for Dr Saunder's treachery so he can't be as good as he is making out. Secondly I'm still a bit confused by her past but apparently Caroline had a problem with Rossum and was committing terrorist acts against them for years before she found the Dollhouse under Rossum so that explains why they had a file on her for some reason while watching this episode I got the impression that Caroline WAS a doll but her contract ended and she was released but something stayed in her head of her life inside which made her want to expose them..maybe probably wrong.

    Thirdly(Perhaps it should have been firstly) WOW Joss did it again I'm not usually one to use this kind of terminology but O MFG, How many plot twists was that in the space of 40 minutes? Bennett was murdered by Claire who was apparently turned evil by Rossum leader Boyd who is firmly entrenched in the " Destroy ROSSUM CORP" camp and that was only after agreeing to help Echo to recreate Caroline so that she could then torture her to death or whatever. I can't say anything except the time honored Whedon-fan phrase of Whedon -Is-God, Someone(i.e. network) please give this guy and or the show a chance to shine properly.

    Oh well 11 down 2 to go we should be in for one hell of a ride, Hang on to your seats boys and girls.
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    spikemaniac

    [64]Jan 10, 2010
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    How does Joss Whedon sleep at night knowing that we are all lying awake with our hearts ripped from our chest and our brains turned inside out?

    Honestly I kinda saw Bennett's death coming. I saw she was getting all snuggly wuggly and happy with Topher and was I was like... hmm... wait a minute... this usually means that one will die. And then BAM! Bullet to the head! But Dr. Saunders!

    And then don't even get me started on Boyd. I watched this episode last night and I still haven't been able to fully process this. I need to rewatch.

    Awesome episode. Topher and Bennett were too cute. And did anyone catch Caroline at the beginning saying "Off the charts smart... She could kill me with her brain" about Bennett, when looking at her file? I was like :O awesome!
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    spikemaniac

    [65]Jan 10, 2010
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    VConn wrote:
    Chuck(Was his name Chuck?)

    Oh it was Clyde.
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    Vesper-Lynd

    [66]Jan 10, 2010
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    Geez, I remembered watching "Belonging" and thinking how much I wanted to see Boyd's backstory and how sad I was because we probably weren't given the time constraints and the fact that he was just a handler.

    And now this...

    We still won't know about Whiskey, I imagine. I guess you can't have everything.
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    Lady_Lancaster

    [67]Jan 10, 2010
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    Vesper-Lynd wrote:
    Geez, I remembered watching "Belonging" and thinking how much I wanted to see Boyd's backstory and how sad I was because we probably weren't given the time constraints and the fact that he was just a handler.

    And now this...

    We still won't know about Whiskey, I imagine. I guess you can't have everything.


    Joss might fill in the blanks when the whole thing wraps up, I hope he does because I hate not knowing what happens to characters I like.
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    The_Dude14

    [68]Jan 10, 2010
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    TwistedConverse wrote:
    And WHY did Claire kill Bennett? She obviously isn't working with Rossum as Boyd wants Caroline back (I think), so what is she doing? Does she know about Boyd and wants to destroy Rossum? Confusing!
    I'm definately thinking Doc Saunders has become the Vader to Boyd's Emperor, for lack of a better comparison (maybe Conner to his Cordelia/Jasmine?). I think Boyd had her kill Bennett to play for time. Bennett would have rebuilt Caroline's wedge before the Dollhouse was invaded, so that everyone would be present when Echo would be imprinted, instead of just Topher as it happened here.

    Well, Topher and the poor hapless guard.

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    EfrainCerrud

    [69]Jan 10, 2010
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    Priyah and Victor should return to the House and help Caroline save every1...
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    fatfreeoreos

    [70]Jan 10, 2010
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    My jaw literally dropped, when Claire shot Bennet and at the reveal that Boyd is the other head of Rossum. I was also confused about the timeline concerning Caroline's vendetta against Rossum. The flashbacks here obviously took place after her original break in with the boyfriend shown in Echoes. I liked that they placed a scene from E1 though, that was nice. It really hit the mislead on Boyd. And I'm definitely gonna have a major rewatch when the DVD comes out. I know what to look for now.

    But what I most want to know, more than anything, is who Whiskey is.
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    ibnuts

    [71]Jan 11, 2010
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    Wow, great episode. If only they could've written like this since the beginning, this show might not have been canceled. These last few episodes have been as good or better than Fringe. During the earlier episodes I was forcing myself to watch this show; too bad they didn't have writing like this last year.
    Edited on 01/11/2010 12:06am
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    historylover20

    [72]Jan 11, 2010
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    I saw this idea (was it here or on TWoP? If it's here, I apologize for stepping on your toes) that I liked--

    Flashbacks and memories have been proven not to be trusted. Look at the differences between Bennet's memory of Caroline leaving her and Caroline's memory. In Bennet's memory, Caroline just abandoned her, trapped and helpless. In Caroline's memory, she left Bennet in order to avoid Bennet getting caught.

    So, can we really trust that memory of Caroline's? It happened when Boyd came and held her hand. Echo may have projected the image of Boyd onto whoever the CEO of Rossum really is.

    Just a thought?

    Of course Boyd as the bad is foreshadowed in "The Attic."

    Kat

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    haldrey

    [73]Jan 11, 2010
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    I hope they address a lot of issues and give us a lot of answers during the remaining few episodes because this one was extremly confusing, but very, very good.
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    spikemaniac

    [74]Jan 11, 2010
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    historylover20 wrote:
    Can we really trust that memory of Caroline's? It happened when Boyd came and held her hand. Echo may have projected the image of Boyd onto whoever the CEO of Rossum really is.

    I'm tempted to think this too. I just want so badly to believe that Boyd is good and it's just a tampered with memory or body or something. It seems unlikely though.

    historylover20 wrote:
    Boyd as the bad is foreshadowed in "The Attic."

    When he evil-laughed? I thought of that scene as well, when Boyd was revealed. But at the time, I didn't think of it as foreshadowing at all.
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    fatfreeoreos

    [75]Jan 11, 2010
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    I think Bennet's memory was the same as Caroline's. The only difference was the intent. Bennet didn't want to be left behind but Caroline abandoned her anyway. It didn't matter why, it was still basically the same thing. And I'm not 100% on the wording, but they do seem similar.
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    puredieselbc

    [76]Jan 11, 2010
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    For the first time since it debut almost a year ago Dollhouse is in this site's top 20 Shows list. That just proves how AWESOME this last Friday's episode was. Oh show, why couldn't you have started this way instead of wasting so much celliod on escort-of-the-week storylines.

    Here's a thought.

    If actives change imprints but keep the same body, then could it be possible that the higher-ups at Rossum do a sort of reverse process? Meaning they keep their original personalities but just change bodies when the one they're currently in dies? If that's the case then Boyd, who was shot defending DeWitt and is currently bleeding to death while on the run, could simply just get a new body. Which could also mean that "Boyd" is an original imprint of Clyde 1.0's partner but this body may be just his current host. OMFG!!!

    Maybe that was always Rossum's purpose: to allow certain human beings the ablity to transfer their original selves to any "body" they wanted. Imagine Mozart, Shakespeare, DaVinci; their minds living forever house in the body of others. The Actives getting imprinted with different personalities was away to raise revenue for their ultimate goal. That's what Echo meant when she told Ballard that the dollhouse was their business but not their purpose.

    I can't wait for next week. Awesome. Simply AWESOME...

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    puredieselbc

    [77]Jan 11, 2010
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    For the first time since it debut almost a year ago Dollhouse is in this site's top 20 Shows list. That just proves how AWESOME this last Friday's episode was. Oh show, why couldn't you have started this way instead of wasting so much celliod on escort-of-the-week storylines.

    Here's a thought.

    If actives change imprints but keep the same body, then could it be possible that the higher-ups at Rossum do a sort of reverse process? Meaning they keep their original personalities but just change bodies when the one they're currently in dies? If that's the case then Boyd, who was shot defending DeWitt and is currently bleeding to death while on the run, could simply just get a new body. Which could also mean that "Boyd" is an original imprint of Clyde 1.0's partner but this body may be just his current host. OMFG!!!

    Maybe that was always Rossum's purpose: to allow certain human beings the ablity to transfer their original selves to any "body" they wanted. Imagine Mozart, Shakespeare, DaVinci; their minds living forever house in the body of others. The Actives getting imprinted with different personalities was away to raise revenue for their ultimate goal. That's what Echo meant when she told Ballard that the dollhouse was their business but not their purpose.

    I can't wait for next week. Awesome. Simply AWESOME...

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    fatfreeoreos

    [78]Jan 11, 2010
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    I believe you're right on that the Dollhouse is simply a business, not the end all of Rossum. Rossum is, after all, a research company. They created the tech needed for the Dollhouse and then used the Dollhouse to further develop it.
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    KingofIPirates

    [79]Jan 11, 2010
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    puredieselbc wrote:
    If actives change imprints but keep the same body, then could it be possible that the higher-ups at Rossum do a sort of reverse process? Meaning they keep their original personalities but just change bodies when the one they're currently in dies?
    Yeah.. they already established that in Epitaph 1, further confirmed that in The Attic and alluded to that in Getting Closer. They also showed an example of this in Season 1 in The Haunted
    Edited on 01/11/2010 11:04am
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    fatfreeoreos

    [80]Jan 11, 2010
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    I'm still keeping an open mind on why Boyd is the other Rossum head. In season one, he shows absolutely no signs of any evilness and even into season 2, the only off color characterization is in Belonging. There has to be a reason.
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