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Frieza has a power level of 120,000,000

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    RaizenYusuke

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    Can we all agree that Goku's level is at least higher than 1,000,000.Lets face it guys Toriyama isn't that great at math or he wouldn't have made Frieza's second form stronger than 1,000,000 which makes some big plot holes if you ask me.
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    PrinceVegeta2

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    Now there is one thing Goku never used the kaioken prior to Frieza powering up. So his power had to be equal with Frieza's during that time. Seeing the inconsistensies the zenkai's had, it was never stated exactly how much they increase power. FOr example SSJ increases power around 45x while SSJ2 does not increase the power as dramatically. SSJ2 has a less than 5x increase for that of the SSJ power. So that is irrelivent in power ups as their inconsisensies is beyond debating. The fact that neither in the manga nor in the anime Goku wasn't using kaioken proves that Goku had to have been quite close to Frieza in power. Hell Frieza offered Goku a job, where as he did no such thing for Piccolo, considering the fact that Piccolo was over a million in power. Frieza's forms stand as this,

    Frieza (form 1): 560,000

    Frieza (form 2): 1,000,000

    Frieza (form 3): 3,500,000

    Frieza (using a portion of power): 4,000,000

    Frieza (half power): 60,000,000

    Frieza (full power): 120,000,000

    And as for Goku,

    Goku (revived): 4,000,000

    Goku (kaioken x10): 40,000,000

    Goku (kaioken x20): 80,000,000

    Super saiyan Goku: 150,000,000
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    RaizenYusuke

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    PrinceVegeta2 wrote:
    Now there is one thing Goku never used the kaioken prior to Frieza powering up. So his power had to be equal with Frieza's during that time. Seeing the inconsistensies the zenkai's had, it was never stated exactly how much they increase power. FOr example SSJ increases power around 45x while SSJ2 does not increase the power as dramatically. SSJ2 has a less than 5x increase for that of the SSJ power. So that is irrelivent in power ups as their inconsisensies is beyond debating. The fact that neither in the manga nor in the anime Goku wasn't using kaioken proves that Goku had to have been quite close to Frieza in power. Hell Frieza offered Goku a job, where as he did no such thing for Piccolo, considering the fact that Piccolo was over a million in power. Frieza's forms stand as this,

    Frieza (form 1): 560,000

    Frieza (form 2): 1,000,000

    Frieza (form 3): 3,500,000

    Frieza (using a portion of power): 4,000,000

    Frieza (half power): 60,000,000

    Frieza (full power): 120,000,000

    And as for Goku,

    Goku (revived): 4,000,000

    Goku (kaioken x10): 40,000,000

    Goku (kaioken x20): 80,000,000

    Super saiyan Goku: 150,000,000
    You know those are just estimates right?
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    PrinceVegeta2

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    Obviously.........

    All but Frieza form 2.
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    fishingalex

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    these are supposed to be the real power levels:

    Frieza 100% of maximum: 12,000,000

    Goku super saiyan: 15,000,000
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    fishingalex

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    And this is the power levels in the cell saga:

    Super perfect cell: 300,000,000

    SS2 Gohan: 325,000,000
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    fluffman4

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    RaizenYusuke wrote:
    PrinceVegeta2 wrote:
    Now there is one thing Goku never used the kaioken prior to Frieza powering up. So his power had to be equal with Frieza's during that time. Seeing the inconsistensies the zenkai's had, it was never stated exactly how much they increase power. FOr example SSJ increases power around 45x while SSJ2 does not increase the power as dramatically. SSJ2 has a less than 5x increase for that of the SSJ power. So that is irrelivent in power ups as their inconsisensies is beyond debating. The fact that neither in the manga nor in the anime Goku wasn't using kaioken proves that Goku had to have been quite close to Frieza in power. Hell Frieza offered Goku a job, where as he did no such thing for Piccolo, considering the fact that Piccolo was over a million in power. Frieza's forms stand as this,

    Frieza (form 1): 560,000

    Frieza (form 2): 1,000,000

    Frieza (form 3): 3,500,000

    Frieza (using a portion of power): 4,000,000

    Frieza (half power): 60,000,000

    Frieza (full power): 120,000,000

    And as for Goku,

    Goku (revived): 4,000,000

    Goku (kaioken x10): 40,000,000

    Goku (kaioken x20): 80,000,000

    Super saiyan Goku: 150,000,000
    You know those are just estimates right?


    of course you know their estimates... super saiyan multiplies your power by 50x... if these estimates were accurate... which they're not; he'd have to be 200,000,000, which should be about cell's perfect form... so it's obviously miscalculated.
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    deckzone3000

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    fluffman4 wrote:

    of course you know their estimates... super saiyan multiplies your power by 50x... if these estimates were accurate... which they're not; he'd have to be 200,000,000, which should be about cell's perfect form... so it's obviously miscalculated.
    He wouldn't be 200,000,000 unless he was healthy. Both Goku and Frieza got beat up during their fight.
    And that thing about it being near Cell's PL is funny since his PL is even harder to guess since they hadn't used PL since the Frieza saga.
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    RaizenYusuke

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    You guys Know that ever power levels are estimates after Frieza right?Funny thing is that Goku's 300,000 and Frieza's 12,000,000 power levels were not mention in the Manga which means using them in a debate is pointless because Akira Toriyama did make these power levels up.They are all fan based meaning that saying Perfect Cell's power level 300,000,000 is point as to saying means Frieza's power level can't be higher than 20,000,000 is silly.I believe Akira Toriyama saying Gohan's power level was 325,000,000 in a interview was proved false.

    Meaning the estimates of Frieza's power level being 100,000,000 isn't so wrong.Considering Goku was using 10x Kaio Ken the whole fight was proved false it means Goku's base power was is the millions.
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    PrinceVegeta2

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    fluffman4 wrote:
    RaizenYusuke wrote:
    PrinceVegeta2 wrote:
    Now there is one thing Goku never used the kaioken prior to Frieza powering up. So his power had to be equal with Frieza's during that time. Seeing the inconsistensies the zenkai's had, it was never stated exactly how much they increase power. FOr example SSJ increases power around 45x while SSJ2 does not increase the power as dramatically. SSJ2 has a less than 5x increase for that of the SSJ power. So that is irrelivent in power ups as their inconsisensies is beyond debating. The fact that neither in the manga nor in the anime Goku wasn't using kaioken proves that Goku had to have been quite close to Frieza in power. Hell Frieza offered Goku a job, where as he did no such thing for Piccolo, considering the fact that Piccolo was over a million in power. Frieza's forms stand as this,

    Frieza (form 1): 560,000

    Frieza (form 2): 1,000,000

    Frieza (form 3): 3,500,000

    Frieza (using a portion of power): 4,000,000

    Frieza (half power): 60,000,000

    Frieza (full power): 120,000,000

    And as for Goku,

    Goku (revived): 4,000,000

    Goku (kaioken x10): 40,000,000

    Goku (kaioken x20): 80,000,000

    Super saiyan Goku: 150,000,000
    You know those are just estimates right?


    of course you know their estimates... super saiyan multiplies your power by 50x... if these estimates were accurate... which they're not; he'd have to be 200,000,000, which should be about cell's perfect form... so it's obviously miscalculated.


    Assumption/10

    No....

    Assumption/20
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    OneTruePhoenix

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    PrinceVegeta2 wrote:
    Now there is one thing Goku never used the kaioken prior to Frieza powering up. So his power had to be equal with Frieza's during that time. Seeing the inconsistensies the zenkai's had, it was never stated exactly how much they increase power. FOr example SSJ increases power around 45x while SSJ2 does not increase the power as dramatically. SSJ2 has a less than 5x increase for that of the SSJ power. So that is irrelivent in power ups as their inconsisensies is beyond debating. The fact that neither in the manga nor in the anime Goku wasn't using kaioken proves that Goku had to have been quite close to Frieza in power. Hell Frieza offered Goku a job, where as he did no such thing for Piccolo, considering the fact that Piccolo was over a million in power. Frieza's forms stand as this,

    Frieza (form 1): 560,000

    Frieza (form 2): 1,000,000

    Frieza (form 3): 3,500,000

    Frieza (using a portion of power): 4,000,000

    Frieza (half power): 60,000,000

    Frieza (full power): 120,000,000

    And as for Goku,

    Goku (revived): 4,000,000

    Goku (kaioken x10): 40,000,000

    Goku (kaioken x20): 80,000,000

    Super saiyan Goku: 150,000,000


    There are a couple problems with your arguments. For one, the zenkai power up was never stated, true. However, seeing as how we see the end result of a zenkai several times, we can easily see how much they increase power. Vegeta went from 18,000 to around 25,000 from one zenkai. Vegeta went from being quite a bit weaker than Zarbon transformed to being about as much stronger than him as Zarbon was to him previously. Then we see Goku going from 8,000 on Earth to 90,000 on Namek, with about four zenkais, as well as extreme gravity training. Yet, out of nowhere, Goku's supposed to go from 90,000 to 3,000,000 from one zenkai without any training in between?

    Since that explains why Goku couldn't possibly have increased that much, it also sort of makes it seem like he shouldn't have been able to keep up with Frieza at 25% power, especially since it looks like Goku didn't use Kaioken yet. As odd as it sounds, I believe that Goku used the Kaioken in short bursts, instead of actually staying at that power for longer periods of time like he did when we actually saw the full aura of the Kaioken. In fact, that's what has been believed for years now, as it's the only way to explain it, unless you want to accept the fact that Akira Toriyama is a forgetful man and probably discarded power-levels at that time.

    One other thing that shows how ridiculous the claim that Frieza was 120,000,000 at full power is Piccolo's kick to Frieza. Now, we have Goku gathering power for the Spirit Bomb, and Frieza catches on and Goku is doomed for certain. Piccolo then says to Krillin and Gohan, "Give me your remaining energy". One important word there is the word "remaining". By this point, Piccolo, Krillin, and Gohan couldn't possibly have that much energy left, yet Piccolo was able to deliver a kick to Frieza that sent him flying, and you could actually see pain in his face when he was getting kicked. Even if they were all three at maximum power, the collected energy would not have been able to hurt Frieza if he was at 60,000,000 there. I mean, Piccolo was a little over a million, and Krillin and Gohan were probably no more than 30,000 each. That would NOT have been enough to even scratch someone at 60,000,000.
    Honestly, the Piccolo kicking Frieza and sending him flying thing destroys any credibility that the 60,000,000 argument had.

    Btw, Frieza form one is 530,000, as stated by him while fighting Nail. And the power in his second form is actually over a million, as stated by him, but not by much.
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    RaizenYusuke

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    Yeah but look Vegeta's power was like 30,000 and after his fight with Recoome his power was around 500,000 that is like around 16 times increase.Than after his little power his power was like 2,000,000 which is a 4 time increase.Vegeta was closer to death than with Krillin than with Reccome.

    Piccolo thing isn't such a long shot.Piccolo caught Frieza off gurad was able to kick Frieza back pretty far.I mean SSTrunks was able to kick Majin Buu back very far by catching him off guard and Trunks was way weaker than Buu.Plus Frieza lost some power as well Frieza said that last Kamehameha almost killed Frieza it has to have taken power away from him.

    I just don't believe Akira Toriyama wouldn't tell us or give us any signs that Goku was using the Kaio Ken.And I very much doubt Goku could hold Kaio Ken that long.I think he would have burned out all his power.I still think Goku's power would at least be 1,000,000.Maybe Goku's power was 1,300,000 and he was using 5 times Kaio Ken.Only one person really knows.
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    PrinceVegeta2

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    OneTruePhoenix wrote:
    PrinceVegeta2 wrote:
    Now there is one thing Goku never used the kaioken prior to Frieza powering up. So his power had to be equal with Frieza's during that time. Seeing the inconsistensies the zenkai's had, it was never stated exactly how much they increase power. FOr example SSJ increases power around 45x while SSJ2 does not increase the power as dramatically. SSJ2 has a less than 5x increase for that of the SSJ power. So that is irrelivent in power ups as their inconsisensies is beyond debating. The fact that neither in the manga nor in the anime Goku wasn't using kaioken proves that Goku had to have been quite close to Frieza in power. Hell Frieza offered Goku a job, where as he did no such thing for Piccolo, considering the fact that Piccolo was over a million in power. Frieza's forms stand as this,

    Frieza (form 1): 560,000

    Frieza (form 2): 1,000,000

    Frieza (form 3): 3,500,000

    Frieza (using a portion of power): 4,000,000

    Frieza (half power): 60,000,000

    Frieza (full power): 120,000,000

    And as for Goku,

    Goku (revived): 4,000,000

    Goku (kaioken x10): 40,000,000

    Goku (kaioken x20): 80,000,000

    Super saiyan Goku: 150,000,000


    There are a couple problems with your arguments. For one, the zenkai power up was never stated, true. However, seeing as how we see the end result of a zenkai several times, we can easily see how much they increase power. Vegeta went from 18,000 to around 25,000 from one zenkai. Vegeta went from being quite a bit weaker than Zarbon transformed to being about as much stronger than him as Zarbon was to him previously. Then we see Goku going from 8,000 on Earth to 90,000 on Namek, with about four zenkais, as well as extreme gravity training. Yet, out of nowhere, Goku's supposed to go from 90,000 to 3,000,000 from one zenkai without any training in between?

    Since that explains why Goku couldn't possibly have increased that much, it also sort of makes it seem like he shouldn't have been able to keep up with Frieza at 25% power, especially since it looks like Goku didn't use Kaioken yet. As odd as it sounds, I believe that Goku used the Kaioken in short bursts, instead of actually staying at that power for longer periods of time like he did when we actually saw the full aura of the Kaioken. In fact, that's what has been believed for years now, as it's the only way to explain it, unless you want to accept the fact that Akira Toriyama is a forgetful man and probably discarded power-levels at that time.

    One other thing that shows how ridiculous the claim that Frieza was 120,000,000 at full power is Piccolo's kick to Frieza. Now, we have Goku gathering power for the Spirit Bomb, and Frieza catches on and Goku is doomed for certain. Piccolo then says to Krillin and Gohan, "Give me your remaining energy". One important word there is the word "remaining". By this point, Piccolo, Krillin, and Gohan couldn't possibly have that much energy left, yet Piccolo was able to deliver a kick to Frieza that sent him flying, and you could actually see pain in his face when he was getting kicked. Even if they were all three at maximum power, the collected energy would not have been able to hurt Frieza if he was at 60,000,000 there. I mean, Piccolo was a little over a million, and Krillin and Gohan were probably no more than 30,000 each. That would NOT have been enough to even scratch someone at 60,000,000.
    Honestly, the Piccolo kicking Frieza and sending him flying thing destroys any credibility that the 60,000,000 argument had.

    Btw, Frieza form one is 530,000, as stated by him while fighting Nail. And the power in his second form is actually over a million, as stated by him, but not by much.


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    Now check this out Goku after he was revived kicked Frieza and actually managed to slightly damage him. You will also notice that Goku deflected Frieza's blasts easily. And clearly he wasn't using kaioken. Considering the fact that Piccolo was already over a million and also the fact that Vegeta was stronger than Piccolo after he was revived, Goku's power is way over a million for the shere fact he managed to deflect Frieza's attacks (which in Vegeta's book was deemed "unstoppable"). Goku also managed to kick Frieza and inflict damage. Something that Vegeta failed at dramatically. Now we know that Frieza form 2 was over a million, and although we don't know exactly how much Frieza (form 3's) power is there are guesses that it is over 3,000,000. Say 3,500,000.

    Ok so Vegeta would have to be stronger than Frieza's 3rd form (in terms of power). It's only logical that with the level of confidence he had (since he thought he'd me superior to Frieza (form 4) shows that Vegeta must have been quite superior to Frieza (form 3). Yet Vegeta coudn't even touch Frieza (form 4), where as Goku did a lot to him.... and clearly he wasn't using kaioken. (at least in the begining) Also consider the fact that Frieza offered Goku a job. Frieza did no such thing to Piccolo. This proves that Goku is superior to Piccolo at least. Now as for Piccolo recieving energy, Raizen Yusuke pretty much covered that part.
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    RaizenYusuke wrote:
    Piccolo thing isn't such a long shot.Piccolo caught Frieza off gurad was able to kick Frieza back pretty far.I mean SSTrunks was able to kick Majin Buu back very far by catching him off guard and Trunks was way weaker than Buu.Plus Frieza lost some power as well Frieza said that last Kamehameha almost killed Frieza it has to have taken power away from him.
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    Darkheart297

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    it's not possible for Frieza to have a powerelevel of 120,000,000, Cell at 1 billion, and Mjain at 50 Billion because at the end of GT when Goku absorbs all the dragonballs the dragon claimed him the strongest being on earth and if you watch the movie special of GT Bulma makes a device that's test Goku and Vegeta's power. Vegeta's powerlevel registers at like 3 and a half billion and Goku's register's at like 6 billion before the device explodes and that's at base power. So no way Majin could have a 50 billion powerlevel because he would have slaughtered everyone on Earth. Thank you and good night.
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    GT doesn't count. Its all filler.
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    PrinceVegeta2 wrote:
    I recently found out on another forum that Frieza at his 100% full power has a power level of 120,000,000. Deckzone can vouch for that. BUt anyways Frieza form 3 has a power level of 3,500,000. And his 4th form after using a portion of his power obviously has to have more power than his third form. So assuming he's at 4,000,000. Then Base Goku (after recovery) is equal to him w/out using kaioken. And since Goku using kaioken x10 is inferior to Frieza at half power, but Goku using 20x kaioken was superior the we can conclude that Frieza at half power is in between the 10x kaioken and the 20x. Goku kaioken x10 is 40,000,000. Goku kaioken x20 is 80,000,000. And so Frieza half power should be at 60,000,000. Which means that Frieza full power is 120,000,000. Meaning that whoever that said Frieza has a power of 12,000,000 is wrong.


    of course it's wrong, go back to your straightjacket.
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    PrinceVegeta2

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    fluffman4 wrote:
    PrinceVegeta2 wrote:
    I recently found out on another forum that Frieza at his 100% full power has a power level of 120,000,000. Deckzone can vouch for that. BUt anyways Frieza form 3 has a power level of 3,500,000. And his 4th form after using a portion of his power obviously has to have more power than his third form. So assuming he's at 4,000,000. Then Base Goku (after recovery) is equal to him w/out using kaioken. And since Goku using kaioken x10 is inferior to Frieza at half power, but Goku using 20x kaioken was superior the we can conclude that Frieza at half power is in between the 10x kaioken and the 20x. Goku kaioken x10 is 40,000,000. Goku kaioken x20 is 80,000,000. And so Frieza half power should be at 60,000,000. Which means that Frieza full power is 120,000,000. Meaning that whoever that said Frieza has a power of 12,000,000 is wrong.


    of course it's wrong, go back to your straightjacket.


    Maybe you can try and prove why you think so.....

    So far you managed to prove nothing. At least try and post SOME evidence like onetruepheonix.
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    fluffman4

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    lemme see, i did post evidence, read the posts before you decide to use ignorance.
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    fluffman4

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    let's see, if frieza had a power level at 50% of 60 million, and piccolo after absorbing gohan's and krillin's energy might be around 3 million, his kick to frieza shouldn't have hurt him or even fazed him as much as it did. Plus from his form 2, he'd have to increase his power by about 120 fold, which i'd estimate form 3's power was about 2.5 mil, and he was actually exerting himself, So i'm guessing frieza's max is about 12,000,000, because what does it say about how powerful buu was, super buu would easily be, about 50 billion easily, as him blowing himself up would've easily destroyed the world
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