Season 8 Episode 16

Secrets and Lies

Aired Thursday 10:00 PM Mar 07, 2002 on NBC
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Episode Summary

An unusual patient trigger's the curiosity of Abby, Susan, Gallant, Luka and Carter, which lands them at an all-day sexual harassment seminar. Throughout the day, Carter and Luka clash, Abby and Susan bond, and everyone discovers something new about each other. Susan breaks it off with Carter when she realizes his feelings for Abby, while news and gossip spreads through the ER of Elizabeth and Mark's separation.moreless

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  • Setting the storylines

    This episode was great. Not only did it prepare the story lines going into other seasons we also got to know more about 5 amazing characters.
  • A humerous side to ER.

    This episode was very, very, very funny, from the start to the finish. I loved the way Luka and Carter clashed over Abby (back off Carter) and the way Abby and Susan bonded. It was really entertaing and different from the medical side of ER. I absoutley loved it. I loved the talk about when they al lost there virginities and Carter's time was hialirious, an eleven year old with a twenty five year old? That's so illegal but funny. Ha ha! Carter was really funny and entertaining, his duel with Luka and eventually telling Susan he put the d*ldo in Weaver's locker, I didn't think he had the balls for it. Loved Luka and Abby competing over Abby, totally glad it worked out with Abby and Luka eventually but Carter and Abby are alright, sometimes.

    Overall an excellent and very entertaining episode. I loved it, I'm glad we got a break from the Mark and Elizabeth story line.moreless
  • All those little secrets and lies..

    It was a really unique episode - I do not count that I would remember anything like this later or before. The story is very simple - Abby, Susan, Carter, Kovac and Gallant are caught by Weaver and then sent to little lecture, where most of the episode, they wait it. As they have so much time, they talk.. we learn so much about all of those characters and Gallant is opened for us first time. The fencing (what was very stylish), all those little secrets, memories, Hamleth in Croatia... and the end scenes.. stunning episode. Really refreshing and great interludemoreless
  • Five favorite characters stuck together in a single, angsty, revealing.

    No matter how many times I watch this episode I am sucked into the fun and revelations of some of my favorite characters. Through their interactions we are given glimpses of their families, their pasts, their hopes and their characters. A sexual harrassment clinic in a blandly decorated college classroom. We are introduced to Michael Gallant and his dedication to his family and his military career. We catch glimpses of the happy childhood and early marriage of Luka Kovac. We get the comparative families of Carter's well to do - yet sad - upbringing and Susan's relatively normal middle class childhood. We hear Susan's reasons for returning to Chicago....and Luka skirting the issue of his reasons for leaving Croatia. We experience a hauntingly beautiful siloquoy from Hamilet in Croatian. We get to see the sparring of the two men for the affection and attention of Abby come to life in a playfully intense fencing match. Abby. Maura Tierney completely steals the episode as the bridge between all of the characters. The Virgin Game. The confession of being a reality show junkie. The 'girl talk' seeding of a wonderful friendship with Susan. The curiosity about the Carter millions. Acknowledging that she knows as little about Luka as she does about Carter. She also gives a tremendously powerful testament about nursing as a career. (So moving that I was later disappointed that she would go back to medical school.) Nicely written and wonderfully directed, all five actors clearly shown in each of their own moments. It was a fun break from the ER. But not altogether complete. We did get a dominatrix patient...and her client.... whose 'bag of tricks' was the reason for the retraining session in the first place. Hilarious and disturbing....and a whole lot of fun.moreless
  • One of those episodes that you just keep coming back to and not getting bored of watching over and over again. Altogether unforgettable.

    This has to be one of my favourite episodes, marking classic old-school ER as it drew to its close. Between the unforced humour, the well-balanced and believable character development...and well, Luka reciting the To Be or Not to Be soliloquy in croatian, need I say more? Even though nothing exceedingly crucial happens in this episode with regards to plot, there are so many little things that happen that make the show and its characters just that much more memorable.moreless
Goran Visnjic

Goran Visnjic

Dr. Luka Kovac

Laura Innes

Laura Innes

Dr. Kerry Weaver

Maura Tierney

Maura Tierney

Nurse Abby Lockhart



Dr. Jing-Mei "Deb" Chen

Noah Wyle

Noah Wyle

Dr. John Carter

Sharif Atkins

Sharif Atkins

Michael Gallant

Brad Grunberg

Brad Grunberg

Masked Man

Guest Star

Stewart Skelton

Stewart Skelton

John Taylor

Guest Star

Patricia Thielermann

Patricia Thielermann


Guest Star

Laura Cerón

Laura Cerón


Recurring Role

Gedde Watanabe

Gedde Watanabe


Recurring Role

Troy Evans

Troy Evans


Recurring Role

Trivia, Notes, Quotes and Allusions


  • TRIVIA (0)

  • QUOTES (35)

    • Susan: (about her former boyfriend in Arizona) Charlie Dixon, "Dix." He's a cowboy. Can you believe it? (laughs) An honest-to-God cowboy. He has the horse, the pick-up truck, the whole deal. I am a walking cliché.

    • Gallant: Dr. Carter.
      Carter: What?
      Gallant: What does your dad do?
      Susan: Spends the family trust fund.

    • Gallant: We were told to report to room 224 at 0800. I'm here, and I'm gonna stay here until someone in charge tells me to do otherwise. And I suggest you all do the same.
      Carter: 0800? This ain't the Marines, Gallant. At ease.

    • Luka: We're all waiting, for what? Fulfillment, love, validation, approval? It's a waste of time. Life is an empty, hollow exercise filled with pain, loss and grief, and the only thing we can expect to achieve in our lives is our own inevitable death.

    • Kerry: What were you thinking? Were you thinking at all? Who does this belong to? Did someone bring this, this, this thing into the workplace?
      Carter: I think we're all aware that our behavior was inappropriate.
      Kerry: Inappropriate, unprofessional, offensive. Who does this belong to?
      (they're all quiet, looking at the floor; Abby raises her eyes and gives a quick answer)
      Abby: A patient.

    • Susan: I haven't slept with Carter either.
      Abby: How long have you guys been going out?
      Susan: Couple of months.
      Abby: Well, that definitely violates the second date rule.
      Susan: What second date rule?
      Abby: My friend has this theory, that you should sleep with the guy by the second date, because if the sex isn't good, you shouldn't waste your time with someone you don't have any chemistry with.

    • Carter: I watch television, just not that dehumanizing crap.

    • Susan: Maybe this is the punishment, sitting in this room. Maybe they're watching us to see how we all respond.
      Abby: Like a test?
      Susan: Sure! Hidden cameras recording us for research or something, watching to see how we react to the stress, our alliances grow, our social structures break down under pressure...

    • Susan: Kerry, can I talk to you for a minute? It's about what happened this morning.
      Kerry: I'm heading up to Human Resources right now.
      Susan: Well, I think it's only right to tell that I was, huh, really the instigator. Carter, Gallant, Kovac, they were all opposed to me opening that bag.
      Kerry: What about Abby?
      (Kerry opens her locker and Susan sees something in it that makes her very nervous)
      Susan: It, it was me. If there's going to be any disciplinary consequences, I should be the one held responsible.
      Kerry: Susan, I appreciate you coming forward but they are all adults. They could have chosen to leave the room or refused to participate. I mean, when I entered it was clear that everyone present was involved.
      (Susan nods)
      Kerry: Anything else?
      Susan: No. That's it. Ah…
      (Kerry nods, turns around, and lets out a short scream when she sees what Susan saw earlier; a dildo on her locker shelf)

    • Susan: You should tell her.
      Carter: Who? (he realizes she's talking about Abby) What?
      Susan: That you're madly in love with her and can't live without her.

    • Susan: Kiss me. Just... kiss me. (they kiss) Was it there for you?
      Carter: It was nice.
      Susan: Wasn't there for me either.

    • Abby: (opening the Dominatrix's bag) Whoa!
      Susan: Oh, my God.
      Abby: No one could actually use that, could they?
      Susan: Wait--is that a...?
      Abby Yeah, I think so.
      Luka: (walking over) What? Whoa!
      Carter: Come on, guys. This is a patient's personal property... Oh, God.
      Susan: No kidding.
      Abby: Wait, what's this for? (pulls out something) Ugh. That's disgusting!

    • Susan: You know, you really made a fool of yourself today.
      Carter: What?
      Susan: If you're worried about Abby living with Luka, don't be. I don't think anything's going on.
      Carter: How did I make a fool of myself?
      Susan: Well, you participated in a duel for one thing.

    • Carter: It's embarrassing. Everybody assumes when you grow up with money everything's great.
      Susan: Yeah, it must have been hard growing up in the mansion. Was Gamma too cheap to heat the pool?

    • Carter: Reality television--it's one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
      Abby: Have you ever watched it?
      Carter: No!
      Abby: Then shut up!

    • (Yosh, Chuny, Chen, and Malik are discussing Greene and Corday's separation)
      Frank: Hey, if you ladies are done with the stitch and bitch, could I get some work done?

    • (Luka and Carter are fencing)
      Abby: They really are a couple of freaks!
      Susan: (laughs) To think you slept with both of them!
      Abby: I never slept with Carter. Did he tell you that?
      Susan: I thought you had.
      Abby: No, that was a rumor Carter started.
      Susan: Oh, my God! He is low.
      Abby: I thought so!
      Susan: I've never slept with Carter either.
      Abby: How long have you guys been going out?
      Susan: A couple of months!

    • (talking about Carter's wealth)
      Abby: How old are you? 30?
      Carter: 31.
      Abby: How did you manage to last this long without some girl marrying you?
      Carter: (laughs) We come with a built in gold-digger alarm. My Grandmother installs them at birth!
      Susan: And I haven't set it off? You better have that thing checked!

    • (while waiting in the classroom, Abby goes to light a cigarette)
      Gallant: Abby, please! We are in a public building.
      Abby: I know. No one is here.
      Gallant: I'm here!

    • (about Carter being mad at Susan for staying over at Mark's)
      Luka: Abby's been sleeping on my couch. Nothing's happened.
      Abby: Yeah. I needed a place to stay till I found a new apartment and Luka said I could stay with him.
      Susan: You're probably more upset about that than me staying at Mark's.
      Abby: What?
      Carter: No, I'm not.
      Susan: Right! (to Abby) Carter is still stuck on you.
      Carter: Can we change the subject?
      Susan: Ahh, now you want to change the subject!

    • (Carter is standing outside Susan's apartment with coffees when Susan walks up)
      Carter: You're out early.
      Susan: I was over at Mark's.
      Carter: Mark Greene?
      Susan: He's having some trouble... I spent the night--on the couch... Come on up. I'll take a shower, then we'll go, okay? (she starts to go in, but Carter hesitates and lags behind) Are you coming?

    • Susan: What were you in? You said you were an actor in college. What plays were you in?
      Luka: Uh, we did Hamlet.
      Carter: I did Hamlet! I played Horatio.
      Abby: What did you play, Luka?
      Luka: Uhm, Hamlet.
      Carter: (silently mocks) Hamlet.
      Susan: In English or in Croatian?
      Luka: Why would I do it in English?
      Abby: Were you any good?
      Luka: My mom thought so.

    • (about losing his virginity)
      Luka: My wedding night. I lost my virginity on my wedding night. (long silence) It's okay. It's a good memory. I haven't thought about that in years. We were very young and, uh, she was religious, so we waited. We loved each other very much. (another long silence) It's okay. It's okay.

    • (about losing his virginity)
      Carter: I was eleven.
      Susan: Eleven years old?!
      Abby: Really? How old was she?
      Carter: I don't know... Twenty-five.
      Susan: You're kidding me!
      Abby: Oh, my God.
      Carter: She was one of the maids.
      Abby: Did you pay her?
      Carter: My parents did.
      Gallant: To have sex with you?
      Carter: To be a maid.
      Susan: Hope you gave her a hell of a Christmas bonus.

    • (about losing his virginity)
      Gallant: Okay... Tanya McBride, on the balcony of our church, after choir-practice.
      Susan: Your church?
      Gallant: Yeah, I know.
      Abby: How old?
      Gallant: Let's see. I was in the ninth grade, so about fourteen.
      Susan: Alright! We have a new leader!

    • (about losing her virginity)
      Susan: Okay, my turn... Mark Greene. (laughs) Just kidding. Just kidding, Carter! Floyd Walker. I was fifteen.
      Abby: Floyd? I can't believe you gave me a hard time about Howie!
      Susan: In the shed behind his father's radiator repair shop.
      Abby: Very romantic.
      Susan: The smell of anti-freeze still turns me on.

    • (about losing her virginity)
      Abby: Okay, I'll go first. I was sixteen. Howie Thomas. He was on the lacrosse team.
      (Susan giggles)
      Abby: What's wrong? What?
      Susan: Howie?
      Abby: What's wrong with Howie?
      Susan: (laughs) He sounds like a plumber or something.
      Abby: I was terrified, and so was he. It was the longest 20 seconds of my life.
      Susan: 20 seconds?
      Abby: Yeah, if you count the foreplay.

    • Gallant: So, you were in the army?
      Luka: Yeah.
      Gallant: You see some action?(Luka gives him a look) O.k. Sorry.
      Luka: It's not what you think it is.
      Gallant: What do you think I think it is?
      Luka: Noble. Romantic. A crucible on witch to test your young manhood.
      Gallant: I'm not that naïve. (walks away)
      Luka: (whispers) Sure you are.

    • Abby: How much are you worth Carter?
      Carter: Me, personally? Almost nothing.

    • Susan: I have a confession to make.
      Carter: You put the dildo in Weaver's locker?
      Susan: (to Abby) I watch Fear Factor.

    • Carter: Why are you here [In America}?
      Luka: For the barbeque. Just can't find good ribs in Zagreb, not to mention spoon bread and sweet potato pie.

    • Luka: So what was the tail attached to?
      Gallant: Believe me, you don't want to know.

    • Abby: (to Dominatrix) You can always file for Workman's Comp. It's a job related injury.

    • Carter: Oh, right. You'd be cool if I spent the night over at...
      Susan: Abby's?
      Carter: Not Abby's. I was going to say Darla's.
      Susan: Darla? Who the hell is Darla?
      Carter: Radiology.
      Susan: The one with the collagen lips and fake... (an ambulance drives by and drowns out her words)

    • Gallant: What does your dad do Dr. Lewis?
      Lewis: He's a test pilot for Barcalounger.

  • NOTES (4)


    • Susan: (to Abby) I watch Fear Factor.
      Fear Factor is an extreme stunt reality game show that aired on NBC from June 2001 to September 2006. It was hosted by comedian Joe Rogan, who incidentally also co-starred with Maura Tierney and Khandi Alexander on the NBC comedy NewsRadio, which aired on NBC from March 1991 until May 1999.

    • Although it isn't directly mentioned in the episode, the set-up of a mixed group of people having arguments, making confessions, and talking about their private lives, all while waiting in "detention" for their punishment, could be a reference to the movie The Breakfast Club, in which a group of teenagers follow almost the exact structure of this episode.

    • Susan makes a reference to Coco, a character from the 1980 film Fame , starring Irene Cara, as well as a young Paul McCrane. In another reference to Fame, the lyrics to a song from the movie are written up on the board, a song that happened to be sung in the film by Paul McCrane's character.

    • Title: "Secrets and Lies"
      This episodes shares a title with the 1996 film Secrets and Lies, starring Brenda Blethyn and Marianne Jean-Baptiste. In the movie, a successful black woman tries to find her birth mother, a lower-class white woman, and in her search she discovers the secrets and lies that surround her family.