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A lot of people are thinking that William Bell pushed Olivia out of the Amber just before it solidified. I was just thinking, if that was the case, Olivia would have been around for Etta. However Etta said she lost her Parents when she was 4.

Maybe she died soon the rest were Ambered.

Any thoughts?

I'm thinking Olivia was killed, and that bullet that Etta wears around her neck is key. Although why Etta would wear something like that IF it's the bullet that killed Olivia is beyond me. Wouldn't you rather remember something happy about your parents.

I'm also pretty sure that this is the blue/amber universe. Henry doesn't exist. He ceased to exist when Peter did. However, while Peter came back, he never had the opportunity to be with Bolivia. So, Henry still doesn't exist.

(Plus, even if Henry did exist, he would be around 6 when his parents disappeared in 2016, not 4 like Etta is. So Etta was born in 2012.)

Peter knows about Henry because September told him. And Henry was never meant to be. Etta was. Etta is the product of two universes (Red via Peter and Blue from Olivia), and she has special powers from Olivia's cortexiphan.

There are different reasons why Etta is named Henrietta. Maybe Peter wanted to give his daughter a name to honor the son that doesn't exist. Olivia also has her Blue memories. Maybe she also remembers Henry the cab driver who helped her. Maybe in this "new" blue/amber 'verse, Olivia has a relative named Henry and wants to honor him.

Now, futures aren't set in stone, as "The Day We Died" showed. This is a possible future.

But, I'm pretty sure that it's supposed to be set in our new blue/amber 'verse and it's not a different 'verse altogether.

Kat

Yeah, I'm historylover. Most people know me as Kat.

And Henry doesn't exist. Here is what the Observer said to Peter in "The End of All Things" (from the Fringe Wiki, but emphasis mine) :

THE OBSERVER: The war between the two universes drastically altered destinies and brought about a child that was not meant to be.

PETER: What child?

THE OBSERVER: Your son... Henry.

PETER: My what?

THE OBSERVER: He was born to the wrong Olivia Dunham due to a series of circumstances that never should have happened. This event... would have irrevocably altered everything that was to come.

PETER: (looks at an image of an infant manifested outside of the viewing platform) Henry. I have a son.

THE OBSERVER: Had. When you made the sacrifice to step into that machine, you were not the only one who ceased to exist. So would he. I believed at the time that would be the end of it. I cannot explain, but it is clear that I was wrong. You have managed to return in physical form. I suspect... this will provide an opportunity for you to put things right. She is the one... the Olivia Dunham from whom your shared future was meant to spring. This must be, and everything will be as it was intended. You must find a way.

According to the Observer, Henry doesn't exist.

Also, why shouldn't Peter and Olivia have a daughter? Granted the sex of a child comes from the father, but we're also talking two different woman. Just because Olivia and Bolivia are dopplegangers doesn't mean that they will have the same child. Even the sex of the child can be different.

Finally, amber exists in the original blue universe, and there's no reason to think it doesn't exist in the blue/amber universe. Walter created it in "6B." It hasn't been used full scale, because Olivia and Peter managed to close the soft spot in the apartment. But, Walter was ready to deploy it.

Kat

Plus, say no variation of "6B" happened in this blue/amber verse, and the blue/amber 'verse doesn't have amber. That doesn't mean that Walter can't create in since the bridge between the two universes have closed. Like the beginning, soft spots may happen, and they need to be plugged up. Walter knows amber exists. There's no reason to believe that he can't create it in 2013 or 2014. Just because we won't see it in this blue/amber 'verse doesn't mean it won't happen.

I'm not sure if that was a lone Twin Tower in the background, though. I didn't get a good look at it, but could it be the Freedom Tower?

Kat

No, he isn't confirming that Peter was supposed to have a boy. He says nothing like that! He says that the wrong Olivia had a child. And because it's the wrong Olivia, it's the wrong baby! And the way we know it is because Henry is a boy and Henrietta is a girl.

Kat

Also, judging from the preview for the next episode (Friday's episode--May 4), it's looking more and more likely that the universe that we're in is the universe that is depicted in this episode.

And one last comment before I stop arguing:

With only 15 episodes left of the season (and the writers and producers didn't even know this when they wrote this episode. For all intents and purposes, everyone thought that there would only be 3 episodes left before the show ended), why would they introduce yet another universe? Separate from the two we've been dealing with for the last 4 years (and, yes, I count this universe we're in now as blue/amber. Peter and Olivia make it the universe that we've followed for three seasons.)

So you show a possible end game if you do an episode that takes place in the future. Or, judging by 15 episodes left, you point out what will happen, what's inevitable.

It's highly sloppy writing if this episode takes place in yet another universe when we're so close to the end of Fringe and there needs to be other storylines that need to be finished. Although we have a fifth season to celebrate, it is a shortened fifth season. 15 more episodes, and that's it. If this is intended to be yet another universe, the writers really don't care about their fans or how they want the show to end. And, judging from what I've seen in the last 4 years, that's not very likely.

One of the first things you learn in a writing class is what Anton Chekhov said in a letter: "One must not put a loaded rifle on the stage if no one is thinking of firing it." Meaning, if you introduce a noticeable plot, then you'd better use it. Another way of saying it is "do not include any unnecessary elements in a story." Introducing another universe at such a late stage is unnecessary, and it leads to plot holes.

Look at The X-Files for unnecessary plot elements.

If this show had a full 22 episodes next season, you may be right--this may be another universe. But, when this show was written, it had only three more episodes to wrap things up with (13 extra episodes is kind of a reprieve.

Kat

And I think I am.

So, at least we can agree that we'll believe what we want to believe, and we'll find out which one of us is correct in around 15 episodes (maybe less.)

Kat