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This discussion is for comparisons of the sex scene in the book and the show, between Cersei and Jamie beside the body of their dead son, (Joffrey).

Please keep the discussion on topic, and try to avoid non relevant spoilers - I know it may be difficult not to talk about the impact of this scene on book characters, but please try.

Game of Thrones is a show where people do terrible things, but so are the books.
Previously there have been slight changes between the books and the show.

The books have the advantage of letting the reader know a characters thoughts, motivations and reactions.
The shows can't really do this and also some parts will never make it to screen because of time issues.

But in my opinion they changed the scene completely - and I am at a loss for why.

Here is the scene in the book:

She kissed him. A light kiss, the merest brush of her lips on his, but he could feel her tremble as he slid his arms around her. “I am not whole without you.”
There was no tenderness in the kiss he returned to her, only hunger. Her mouth opened for his tongue. “No,” she said weakly when his lips moved down her neck, “not here. The septons…”

“The Others can take the septons.” He kissed her again, kissed her silent, kissed her until she moaned. Then he knocked the candles aside and lifted her up onto the Mother’s altar, pushing up her skirts and the silken shift beneath. She pounded on his chest with feeble fists, murmuring about the risk, the danger, about their father, about the septons, about the wrath of gods. He never heard her. He undid his breeches and climbed up and pushed her bare white legs apart. One hand slid up her thigh and underneath her smallclothes. When he tore them away, he saw that her moon’s blood was on her, but it made no difference.

“Hurry,” she was whispering now, “quickly, quickly, now, do it now, do me now. Jaime Jaime Jaime.” Her hands helped guide him. “Yes,” Cersei said as he thrust, “my brother, sweet brother, yes, like that, yes, I have you, you’re home now, you’re home now, you’re home.” She kissed his ear and stroked his short bristly hair. Jaime lost himself in her flesh. He could feel Cersei’s heart beating in time with his own, and the wetness of blood and seed where they were joined.


And it is clearly consensual sex.

The scene on the show was rape.

The director of the episode, Alex Graves, left no room for misinterpretation in an interview with The Hollywood Reporter:

"This is so dysfunctional and bizarre." She's a wreck. Tywin is really going on about this historical stuff, and you slowly start to go, "He's kidnapping her only boy," because she's not going to have him anymore. And then he succeeds, and then Jaime comes in and he rapes her. That was like -- you read the scene and go, "Wait, who's directing this?"

He also explains why Joffrey is in the scene

Why was it key that Joffrey was in the scene?
"He is their first born. He is their sin. He is their lust, and their love -- their everything," says Graves. "If he's gone, what's going to happen?"


You can read the entire interview HERE

George R.R. Martin did address the scene in a blog post about an upcoming event:

Re: Jaime's changes in Breaker of Chains
This is off topic here. This is the section for comments about Junot Diaz and Anne Perry and the Cocteau's author program.

Since a lot of people have been emailing me about this, however, I will reply... but please, take any further discussion of the show to one of the myriad on-line forums devoted to that. I do not want long detailed dissections and debates about the TV series here on my blog.

As for your question... I think the "butterfly effect" that I have spoken of so often was at work here. In the novels, Jaime is not present at Joffrey's death, and indeed, Cersei has been fearful that he is dead himself, that she has lost both the son and the father/ lover/ brother. And then suddenly Jaime is there before her. Maimed and changed, but Jaime nonetheless. Though the time and place is wildly inappropriate and Cersei is fearful of discovery, she is as hungry for him as he is for her.

The whole dynamic is different in the show, where Jaime has been back for weeks at the least, maybe longer, and he and Cersei have been in each other's company on numerous occasions, often quarreling. The setting is the same, but neither character is in the same place as in the books, which may be why Dan & David played the sept out differently. But that's just my surmise; we never discussed this scene, to the best of my recollection.

Also, I was writing the scene from Jaime's POV, so the reader is inside his head, hearing his thoughts. On the TV show, the camera is necessarily external. You don't know what anyone is thinking or feeling, just what they are saying and doing.

If the show had retained some of Cersei's dialogue from the books, it might have left a somewhat different impression — but that dialogue was very much shaped by the circumstances of the books, delivered by a woman who is seeing her lover again for the first time after a long while apart during which she feared he was dead. I am not sure it would have worked with the new timeline.

That's really all I can say on this issue. The scene was always intended to be disturbing... but I do regret if it has disturbed people for the wrong reasons.

Now, if you please, I'd appreciate it if we could get back to Junot Diaz and Anne Perry and the subjects of the original post.


(via grrmlivejournal.com)

As he says, the scene could have been different if they at least kept some of the dialogue from the book, and Jamie wouldn't be seen in such a bad light - the weird thing is, this leaves the viewer with consensual incest being the good thing about their relationship, (which is pretty f*cked up)

Considering the fact that the TV show had done a solid job of highlighting that Jamie had changed and that their relationship was broken by their time apart, the show didn't need the rape scene to steer Jamie's plot in the same direction it takes in the books.

In my opinion it was either done for shock value, lazy writing or to speed up Jamie's plot so they can concentrate on others.
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