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Need A Little Help Understanding Something In 1st Gig, SPOILERS

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    wrathloki

    [1]Jul 20, 2008
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    So, let me know if I'm correct here when I say this. When the major died since she was connected to the internet her consciousness ended up staying in the internet and now she can essentially be in reality by hacking the senses of everyone around her, is this correct? Essentially a hard merging of internet and reality has occured? Does the same thing go for Aoi? Was his consciousness in the internet since the first laughing man incident?
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    Chiroptera_Rex

    [2]Jul 20, 2008
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    In actuality, the Major never died. The beginning of the episode 26, "STAND ALONE COMPLEX", seems to say that, but that's just a ruse (Aoi is just making a joke about that at the beginning of the episode by saying that she's now "dead"). Everyone had to believe that the Major was dead so Aramaki could then rebuild Section 9 from the ground up. Once all the dust had cleared and the Laughing Man Affair was finished, then the members of Section 9 would either be released or resurface, as Motoko does at the library.

    At Motoko's safe house in the penthouse of the building overlooking their former headquarters (in episode 25, "BARRAGE"), Batou is in the presence of two puppets. The smaller one, who meets him when he battles the armed suits, is shown to be a remote puppet. However, the "older" Motoko that Batou talks to in the penthouse is also a remote puppet. From the time Batou sees her in the penthouse to the time she is shot, Batou was talking to puppets controlled from afar by the Major.

    That's why when the members of Section 9 are talking in the last episode and Togusa asks where the Major is, Batou says he could care less. He had thought that she had died, but she needed him to believe that in order to sell that to the Umibouzu who had taken her out at the airport. Batou's reaction had to be of genuine sadness, which it was because he thought that she had been killed. In other words, Motoko never told Batou that the person he was with at the penthouse and airport was a puppet. He was hurt by that, but she knew he'd get over it.

    You find out that the "Motoko" sniped at the airport was a remote-controlled puppet when she tells that to Aoi at the library in the last episode. That's when she shows him the line in her left arm (which she had fixed after her battle with the armed suit in "ERASER"), indicating that it's the same body that she had been using throughout the series as, "no other body will do."

    Motoko and Aoi are still part of the physical world. The only person that tries to link his whole conscience to the net was (spoiler from 2nd GIG)
    ***SPOILER***
    Also, the term net is actually short for network, not internet. Ghost in the Shell was written in the late 80's and Shirō Masamune used the term network, shortening it to "net", to define his virtual world.
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    wrathloki

    [3]Jul 20, 2008
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    Chiroptera_Rex wrote:
    In actuality, the Major never died. The beginning of the episode 26, "STAND ALONE COMPLEX", seems to say that, but that's just a ruse (Aoi is just making a joke about that at the beginning of the episode by saying that she's now "dead"). Everyone had to believe that the Major was dead so Aramaki could then rebuild Section 9 from the ground up. Once all the dust had cleared and the Laughing Man Affair was finished, then the members of Section 9 would either be released or resurface, as Motoko does at the library. At Motoko's safe house in the penthouse of the building overlooking their former headquarters (in episode 25, "BARRAGE"), Batou is in the presence of two puppets. The smaller one, who meets him when he battles the armed suits, is shown to be a remote puppet. However, the "older" Motoko that Batou talks to in the penthouse is also a remote puppet. From the time Batou sees her in the penthouse to the time she is shot, Batou was talking to puppets controlled from afar by the Major. That's why when the members of Section 9 are talking in the last episode and Togusa asks where the Major is, Batou says he could care less. He had thought that she had died, but she needed him to believe that in order to sell that to the Umibouzu who had taken her out at the airport. Batou's reaction had to be of genuine sadness, which it was because he thought that she had been killed. In other words, Motoko never told Batou that the person he was with at the penthouse and airport was a puppet. He was hurt by that, but she knew he'd get over it. You find out that the "Motoko" sniped at the airport was a remote-controlled puppet when she tells that to Aoi at the library in the last episode. That's when she shows him the line in her left arm (which she had fixed after her battle with the armed suit in "ERASER"), indicating that it's the same body that she had been using throughout the series as, "no other body will do." Motoko and Aoi are still part of the physical world. The only person that tries to link his whole conscience to the net was (spoiler from 2nd GIG)
    ***SPOILER***
    Also, the term net is actually short for network, not internet. Ghost in the Shell was written in the late 80's and Shirō Masamune used the term network, shortening it to "net", to define his virtual world.

    Damn that's actually kind of disappointing, I was hoping they did something really cool here, but I suppose even now an idea like that is ahead of its time. So how is it that in the end of episode 26 the Major could jump off the building and disappear? I thought this was a sure giveaway that she was in the net.

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    Chiroptera_Rex

    [4]Jul 21, 2008
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    Motoko's jumping off the building is just a cool way to end the series (showing that she can jump off a building like that and survive a landing with her incredibly powerful cybernetic body), much like it was incredibly cool to see her jump away from the building and disappear using her therm-optic camouflage at the beginning of the 1995 movie Ghost in the Shell. Basically, there are several references given at the end of the episode and they can be seen in the Allusions Section to the episode here.
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