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Glee S05E04: "A Katy or a Gaga"


OMG Glee hasn't been this cracked-out crazypants amusing in so long, I didn't know what to do with myself at first except Google "Katy Perry Lady Gaga Feud" because I live under a rock/ literally could not care any less about which pop stars are "fighting" with each other. I just had to make sure that it was a thing, because I don't know, Katy Perry just never came off as all that wholesome and innocent to me. Like, wouldn't this contrast have worked better if the matchup was, say, Taylor Swift vs. Lady Gaga? Last time I checked, "wholesome" didn't include shooting fireworks out of your ta-tas. 

Whatevs. Katy vs. Gaga is an actual thing but not really, so let's roll with it because I wasn't expecting to enjoy this episode nearly as much as I did, even with the usual Glee laundry list of WTFery that just plain doesn't make sense. Like Marley getting suspended from New Directions because she didn't want to wear a clamshell bikini. Can we say "sexual harassment," Schue? *coughCREEPcough*


Also: Puck Jr. So gross. 

Competition time is fast approaching at McKinley and Schue nabbed a list of the clubs that New Directions will soon be competing against, including the Rust-belters from Pittsburgh (REPRESENT!) and Throat Explosion, which I initially thought I misheard because it's so un-catchy and actually kind of repulsive if you think about it. Then again, "New Directions" is so generic is hurts a little, so I guess naming things just isn't in your average glee club's list of strengths. 

Throat Explosion is apparently the "Lady Gaga" of show choir in that they're, idk, weird or something. The revelation that New Directions would be pitted against the Explosion had Tina shaking in her little platform booties and Schue pulled this week's theme out of his ass (Kitty is RIGHT) because someone mentioned a musician who makes mad bank on iTunes and an executive over at Fox saw dollar signs. 


You'd think that Schue's twist—that the "Katys" would perform their own interpretation of a Gaga song and the "Gagas" would take a candy-coated Katy song and give it the monster treatment—would've resulted in some real bursts of creativity, buuuuut in actuality, New Directions literally just remade the original music videos to "Applause" and "Roar," right down to the rope swings and the clown make-up. I think I'll just go watch the originals, kthnx. 

In New York, Kurt decided to start a band because he hasn't been the center of attention for, like, ten whole seconds. Adam Lambert auditioned because Adam Lambert and Kurt rejected him because he lives for the (watered-down, widely appealing) applause. Rachel bestowed her Rachel-flavored benevolence on Kurt's (and Santana's and Demi Lovato's) venture—I give it four episodes before they have a hit single and a record deal—by christening the band "Pamela Lansbury," which is actually kind of awesome, and by joining it, guaranteeing insta-success because Rachel. She also told Kurt to just be himself because Glee.

Also, more rope swings.


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Despite being "the most annoying thing they've ever done" (IDK, Sue, I bet if we really thought about it, we could come up with something way more annoying), "A Katy or a Gaga" was a genuinely fun episode with a Glee PSA that wasn't completely lost in translation for once. It's not hard to make assumptions about people and/or their abilities, beliefs, so on and so forth, based on surface details like music taste, clothes, accents, hometowns. You like Blake Shelton? DUMB REDNECK. One Direction? TWEEN/CREEPY SOCCER MOM. Grateful Dead? POTHEAD. Eminem? ANGRY WHITE BOY CIRCA 1999. See? Stereotypes are easy. Yet I don't think it would be very hard to find at least one iPod out there that houses at least one song from each of those artists. (Psst. It's mine.)

Appearances are often deceiving. Individuals are unique, surprising, and complicated. Katy Perry and Lady Gaga aren't all that different from one another. This is some Glee 101 stuff and it's not exactly world-shattering in its profoundness, nor is it anything that Glee hasn't already done in some form, but after the trauma of "The Quarterback," I think easing audiences into the rest of the season with a little bit of Glee at its most basic was just what we needed. 



MUSICAL NOTES

– Playlist time: Ehhh... "Wide Awake" was pretty?

– "PENIS FLYTRAP." Yes. Adding it to my vocabulary now.

– REALLY, JAKE? REALLY???

– Robin update! Sue was breastfeeding her at Starbucks. Okay, then. 

– Looks like Nurse Penny and Fishlips are a thing now. Sort of. Almost. #StillCreepy

– "Why must we always choose between female musical archetypes?" No, really, I don't see where Gaga and Katy Perry are all that different. Someone help. 

– Soooo... if you had to pick, are you a Katy or a Gaga?


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When the whole Jake/Marley/cheater-scandal thing started I felt like I was having a "New Young Adult" novel moment. Blahhhh! Really. They are doing the hiding-the-cheater-while-nice-girl-is-oblivious-and-best-friend-consoles-girlfriend. So. Gross. Jake. So gross. I am sure there are tonnes of guys out there that see this kind of messed up logic in relationships when they are this young, but seriously, when a guy has the moment where he knows what he's doing is wrong, break up with your girlfriend first. I was actually liking Jake because he was so "anti-Puck," then he goes and tells his girlfriend that it would only take, what 6 minutes? before he was allowed in a girls pants!? Tactless. Since it's glee and I can see them having Jake not going through with it and the Cheerio making it seem like they did, then Marley believing it and revenge cheating on him with Ryder, and Boom, Cheater Theme Glee Assignment with laser beam eye contact during performances. I swear I've read this book before.

I will say I though, aside from the above, this episode was pretty darn hilarious. I don't remember the last time I actually laughed out loud during an episode, and it isn't a reflection of the last episode, they've just really been missing the mark in the last...2 seasons.

Adam Lambert was AWESOME. I don't even know any of his music off the top of my head, but WOW, I was actually jumping like a fan girl when he started his performance. Also, Demi Lovato is pretty darn awesome too. I like that she's a different genre. Despite being so adamant in the misfit premise of the show, they are exceedingly mainstream with their music choices. I like the alternative aspect that Adam and Demi have brought to Glee. About time.


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Yeah I liked this episode, even enjoyed the NY scenes more than I usually do. But seriously, Schue suspending Marley was rediculous even by Glee standards.
Oh and Jake..what a dick! Never really understood what Marley saw in him, she'll be better off without him.
And where the hell is Sugar?!
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This episode had me laughing a lot more than usual, there were some really great lines - 'Plot twist! Lima doesn't have a zoo!' - I just wish Glee would stop trying to pretend that there is a plot or any sort of continuity; Just keep singing and dancing guys...
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It was hard for me to listen to this episode, when they kept incessantly referring to themselves as "I'm not a Gaga, I'm just not, I'm a Katy" blah blah or vice versa. I really don't see that many differences between the two artists. If they wanted an ACTUAL difference, they could've done Gaga vs TSwift for the "wholesome" thing (though that girl is anything but). Or, if they wanted to go to an artist who's just based on the merit of their vocal and songwriting talent, they could've done Gaga vs Sara Bareilles or Adele or someone like that.
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I also found it really odd that Kurt was so put-off by Starchild's outlandish wardrobe given that is something he TOTALLY would have worn himself but it wasn't totally out of character seeing as Kurt has always been judgemental and hypocritical.

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I LIKED this episode but it made me more mad than most do. I'm usually someone who can just go with it and I'm typically its more ardent defender but SERIOUSLY Glee? First of all, I agree that Katy Perry and Lady Gaga are very similar artists so this Katy or Gaga thing just came down to "are you slightly weirder but not really?" But this whole Marley storyline really irked me. First of all, not only did Jake cheat on Marley because she wouldn't sleep with him. But the show kind of shamed her for it and made it seem like it was her fault. Like the fact that a 17 year old girl wasn't ready to have sex made her a bad girlfriend (or as Jake put it she doesn't trust him enough). Then she gets suspended for being true to herself and not wearing a bikini which is apparently "putting yourself before the needs of the club." So the club needs Marley in a bikini to succeed? I can usually go along with WTFery but Marley gets suspended for being true to herself on the show about being true to yourself? Nope. Sorry not sorry. Worse than that, they really shamed her on both accounts and made it seem like she was a bad person for not dressing trashy and putting out. It just seems like an especially terrible message on a show that rarely gets morals and messages right.
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I feel I need to start this by saying I like Glee, I do. That said, I really, really didn't like this episode. Starting with that ridiculous Marley/Jake story line. Between Mr. Shue going against everything Glee says it's about by suspending Marley for being true to herself and Jake just being a gigantic dick, I couldn't stop yelling at my laptop. I usually like the New York stuff, but this band is just utterly uninteresting to me, less unrealistic out of nowhere stuff, more awesome NYADA/broadway stuff, please! Sue is bugging the crap out of me, this never-ending going back and forward between bitch and actual person with feelings thing got old so long ago. As for Gaga vs Katy: pretending they're some sort of opposites is so stupid. How the hell can you like Katy Perry, but think Lady Gaga is "too dark"? They're both just your average gimmicky female pop idol. News flash: there's more music out there than just the Top 40 hits. I would have loved it if that nurse was actually into progressive death metal or something like that. That would have been great. All together, this episode was just very ugh.
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Am I the only one who thinks the Jarley cheating story was sudden? They are fine for weeks, and then all of a sudden he is BORED and sleeps with someone else? Huh?

NYC made Lima look bad by comparison. It is obvious they don't know what to do anymore.
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When has the Jarley storyline been well thought out though? He likes her but decides to date Kitty, the easy lay instead. Then all of a sudden, he can't stand her. Then Marley dates Ryder but drops him the moment he puts himself before her. Then Jake and Marley are thrown together and we're suppose to believe they're an epic love. Now, he cheats on her because she won't put out. Good writing.
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If you're a girl and you hold on to your self-respect your boyfriend WILL cheat on you because easy lays always get the guy. - Glee
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Preach!
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I think throat explosions is the title of a porn compilation.
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Wow... I just watched this episode and i'm soooo mad! It's probably somewhere in the comments already, but i'm just too pissed off to even read. I need to vent, now!

So. I am the first one to hate on Marley because she is just soooo darn boring, but suspending her for holding on to who she is was exactly the opposite of the right decision! Isn't 'being who you are, in spite of what others may say' the exact thing gaga is supposed to stands for? Was Marley not, if that's the case, the only 'real' gaga on stage at that point, refusing to go along with it?

What's glee doing now? Encouraging young viewers to dress up like a 'gaga', not because that's who they are, but because that's what they're supposed to do?

I mean, if it is who you are or want to be, then by all means; go ahead. And I don't think people should make fun about it.
But If it's not, being forced to be 'weird' just for the sake of it... Well, that's just the exact same thing as judging the outcast.

This episode carried out a message so wrong that I don't even seem capable of expressing how ridiculous it is in this vent-message.

Kgg... crazy!
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Someone said on tvtropes.com that Shue suspended Marley not for dressing 'wrong' but for not being a good teamplayer. I can understand that point of view (it would have been nice if Marley had told the others that she's uncomfortable wearing only a bikini) - but you're right, the message is really, really wrong.
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But even that logic is murky given the fact that the original Glee club was full of non-team players who never got suspended. I mean really, when were Rachel, Kurt, Santana, Quinn, Mercedes...ever not selfish and only out for solos? Rachel would always pitch a fit whenever she wasn't being featured enough and she never got suspended. Marley, who's always seemed to be a team player, isn't comfortable wearing a bikini so she gets suspended immediately. She should have voiced her concerns but given the way everyone jumped down her throat, she probably knew they wouldn't be understanding.
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Oh yes, you're right, I didn't think about that but yes, Rachel or Kurt were never really teamplayers... And Marley is normally quite a good teamplayer. They blame Marley quite a lot for things she shouldn't be blamed for...
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All she's guilty of is being boring. Well, that's not a crime, that's just sad!
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Also... I miss Britney...
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I actually hated this episode. Probably because I think Lady Gaga is just a super gimmick and Katy Perry is boring, not to mention the performances were really lame and Sam's storyline brought a whole level of annoying out of him. Not to mention the end made me hate Jake, (not because I like Marley, but for the principle of what he did, and Brie is literally the worst). Finally, New York was decent, I guess...if you like Kurt complaining about being too edgy and unique and wanting to be what the boring masses love...sigh.
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What a fun and light episode. I liked the whole part about NY (even if I don't get why Rachel HAD to be in the band) and the ND bit was okay. I kind of agree with Sue that these costumes were just not appropriate, but if someone has to be suspended, it should be Schue. And the nurse who has nothing better to do than watch teenagers perform in an empty auditorium. "Roar" and "Marry the night" were so awesome. And I'm a total One of the boys era Katy.
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"Sooo...if you had to pick, are you a Katy or a Gaga?"

Team Ryder on this one - "is there a third option?"

Also s1 Gaga episode was soo much better)
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For me, the only highlight in this episode was episode was Adam Lambert's version of Mary the Night. He made it his own, reminds me of his time in American Idol. Gay thundercats, hillarious!
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I am a Huge Gaga fan!! So i would go for Gaga...Even i loved Adam Lambert singing Mary the Night greatly and Applause in a weird way...i must admit, like more what they did wiht the Katy songs...
It was for sure a fun episode to watch..
marley really annoyed me in this episode and Jake...bad bad bad boy...!!!!!
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I loved Ryder's "Is there a third choice?" Excellent.
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So I take it Bree is going to join the glee club soon? Because they're down to 9 people and they need 12 to compete. I mean, even if Joe and Sugar didn't transfer and magically show up just in time for Nationals, they're still a person short.
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Okay, I think Shue finally lost it. Apparently, teachers are allowed to hand out suspensions wherever they see fit? In this case, not stripping down in front him for a glee club assignment. An assignment for an extracurricular activity since glee club is a *club* rather than a choir class.

I'm not saying Marley wasn't annoying about her stance or whatever you want to call it, but wtf was that, Shue?
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I don't think that's what happened. For a club infraction she got a club suspension.
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"One Direction? TWEEN/CREEPY SOCCER MOM."

that's pretty accurate to be perfectly honest ...
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I really loved the New York parts with Adam. He is so talented. Can't stand Lima. This was too much. Too little. Too sickening. Keep Dani and Starchild in NY. If Sam goes to NY as a model I'll puke. It'll be bad enough with Blaine there.
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I am used to Glee being over the top bat crap crazy, but what Shue did to Marley... the writers have GOT to be doing this on purpose, right? Making him this really creepy/nutcase teacher?!
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Didn't care about anything except for Jake's line:
Seriously. I look like a gay Thundercat.

I died.
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The whole Sam and school nurse thing doesn't creep me out because technically she is only a 1st year student nurse. So If she is straight out of highschool and into college that would only make her a year, maybe two years (at most) older than Sam. Not that big of an age gap really.
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Bree and Sue set up a trick on Marley getting suspended. The suspension has been aborted and Marley returns to the club. Brittany, Sugar and Joe will return to the Nationals, then after the graduation, Brittany, Sugar and Quinn characters are officially terminated from the show, IMO. Adam Lambert humiliated Kurt very badly!
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Oh, MaryAnn, BTW, yo DO know that "New Directions" is actually a kinda dirty pun, right? So it's not so generic. Dirty mind, yes, I know.
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I don't get it?
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Nude erections.
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... Wow. Oh god, I can't stop hearing it now. That's what I get for looking behind the curtain....
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I can't stop seeing Artie rope-swinging in his wheelchair...
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the episode itself was fine, with the exception of bringing in Adam Lambert.. didn't like his voice on American Idol, don't like it now, never will... the sooner his guest spots are done the better off it'll be. but they picked the worst songs from each original artist, with the exception of Marry The Night, but that was ruined for a reason I stated above.
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Okay, this episode was funny. If you don't look that much into detail. No, seriously, I enjoyed it. But I, too, don't see a big difference between Gaga and Katy. Since when is Katy Perry a girl next door? They are both singers who make a big show out of costumes and stuff...
And I would have liked covers that were different from the originals ("Wide Awake" was nice).
Soo, what else...?
- Why the hell did Kurt start a band? Who are the people playing instruments in the background? Why did he want to cast yet another singer? At the end, there were four singers!
- I don't like Adam Lambert - well, his character (didn't know him before).
- Yep, Puck Jr. wasn't very nice...
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So...did Vocal Adrenaline not make it to nationals this year?
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Didn't they beat them out at the end of last season? It's a new season, but they're still in the same year.

That's why Ryder is still in glee club even though he said he was quitting after nationals. It kind of irked me seeing him in glee club when the season started after he rage quit over the catfish scandal, but then I rationalized that he meant he was quitting once competition was over.
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I thought he said he was quitting after regionals, so I was confused.

And wait...did they? *looks it up* No they weren't in season 4.
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I just checked the finale and both Joe and Sugar were in it. You were right about Ryder though--he definitely said he was officially quitting glee club after regionals. I guess he's all talk then.

But anyway, Joe, Sugar, and Brittany put them right at 12, and with her at MIT, and the two of them MIA, they're down to 9.
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Oh. Well, I'm just going to take your word for it then. I don't remember, does Glee do sectionals? If so, they would have probably had to beat them there, right? Sectionals, Regionals, Nationals.
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I was talking about vocal adrenaline
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I am sorry but the whole Sam and the school nurse storyline is really creeping me out.... other than that was an all right episode not my favourite but it wasn't bad....
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Thank you Maryann!
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Marley getting suspended was extreme, but part of the reason she did what she did was to show Jake that he needs to accept who she is. After all, she just saw him sexily dancing with Bree and panicked. Now that he has cheated, I wonder if she would want to stay in Glee Club.
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You know, if I don't think too hard, this was a perfectly enjoyable episode (Sam's funny).
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Exactly. :D
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NIce candy out fit on Tina
=D
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...does Will have the authority to suspend Marley for not following instructions in a non-academically-related extracurricular club?
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I THINK that he suspended her from Glee club, not from school.
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yeah exactly, but the school is already so messed up and nonsensical. And what a crappy teacher, suspending a high school girl because she felt uncomfortable about portraying a scandalous role and she did her best to work around it. What ever happened to glee being a place to be accepted for who we are , Mr. Shue?
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Why do we need this Bree character? She's like a mixture of Santana and Kitty, but even more off-putting than they were in their "bitchy phases". Like someone said, it's like they really want us to hate everyone in Lima!

Case in point: Lima gets a nurse that enjoys unprofessional conduct with students and a new bitch queen - New York gets Adam Lambert and Demi Lovato. It's not even close to a fair fight, and almost makes me feel bad for the people in the Lima storyline. Except, of course, that most of them are more boring than watching paint dry, so YAY for New York!
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Why do we need Bree?

I rest my case.
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Touché, sir. Touché.
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The glee cast suck in high school should go on strike...a jungle theme set and costumes to Roar....really....seriously!

The gang in New York on the other had....Adam lambert, Lea Michelle, chris coffer, and especially naha Rivera...now that's aband I would pay to see...
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'Well, I really liked the part where the girl got suspended.' Yep. Pretty much.
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Adam Lambert sounds like a screeching monkey. Who's bright idea was to hire him? Anyway, I'm not amused.
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Um, its not screeching when you can actually sing that high of a note in your real voice and he's not singing in falsetto. It's too bad you can't see how talented he is. Well, to each his own.
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Wait, are you accusing monkeys of using falsetto?
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that's how I feel, I didn't like him on American Idol, why would I like him on Glee?
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For some reason I read that as Adam Levine and kept thinking, "How the hell can you not be amused by Adam Levine?"
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I have not been a "hater" of the last two seasons like A LOT of other people; the newer kids don't really bother me that much and I prefer some (Jake, Unique, and Kitty) over the originals. However, this has to be the WORST EPISODE EVER!!! It is like the writers are intentionally trying to make us (the still somewhat loyal viewers) hate everyone who isn't Kurt, Rachel, or Santana.

Although she is arguably one of the best singers on the show, I personally have never liked the Rachel character (partly because Lea Michelle is so freakin' pretentious). But, I have always been able to stomach Ryan Murphy's ridiculous obsession with Lea Michelle because the other characters were way more interesting and a bit more believable (also, again, because of Lea's tremendous voice) and because the music they produced was borderline amazing. Now the writing is sloppy and unorganized while the character development (or lack thereof) is barely one dimensional. The song choices and arrangement of those songs seem to be barely given a second thought (I think I really started to notice the laziness of song choice/arrangements last season when the girls and boys were split up and were supposed to do a mash-up of movie songs and the writers took a single song from Moulin Rouge (which was a mash-up in the movie) and tried to pass that off as an original idea of the girls singing it...LAZY LAZY LAZY LAZY!!!!

We have all heard the rumors that next season (Glee's last) will probably only focus on the New York characters (while probably bringing in a few from Lima). I was fine with that at first (because I LOVE me some Santana and the guest stars in the New York setting are top notch), but I am not sure I could force myself to watch the swan song season...which would probably kill me because my OCD often forces me to complete things I should/could abandon half way through its cycle.
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pretentious-attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed. This is not Lea Michele at all. One she can back up anyhting with her talent and two she is extremely complimentary of her fellow actors/singers. Not to mention she doesn't pretend to good at everything she doesn't even pretend to be a triple threat like some of the cast do. Being ambitious and confident is not pretentious. I guess you mixing Rachel and Lea and even Rachel isn't a bad person or pretentious. If he is obsessed with anyone it is Darren and Sam who are';t nealry as good as singers or actors as Lea.
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Marley getting suspended from glee club due to not wanting to wear a certain outfit is WTF material even for this show.

Jake's lion costume was both hilarious and frightening.

And now I want a rope swing in my house.
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Sorry, no, if you're a cheerleader you wear the outfit, if you are in drama you wear the costume, if you are in show choir you wear whatever you're told. Sexual harassment is one thing, and choosing to be in entertainment s another. The only thing questionable is that as far as I could tell her outfit was assigned by other students, if it were assigned by the teacher she should have been flat out booted from Glee permanently.
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Marley was being a whiny baby. She deserved to get suspended.
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Whiny or not, it's still absurd.
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OMG!! Adam Lambert was amazing! How long is he staying? Please say it's until the show ends!
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OK.. so far:
- Throat Explosion?!?!? (LOL)
- Bree as Gaga: LOL
- Starchild and Marry the Night: awesome
- Applause: weird
- Penny and Sam: awkward
- Wide Awake: nice
- Jake cheating: well, he's a Puckerman, enough said
- Pamela Lansbury: I don't think so (the name, not the band)
- BS (Before Sue): LOL
- Roar: started out weird, but got much better
Overall: expected more from the episode; kinda disappointed
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I'm a Katy all the way, not a Gaga fan...
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wow ok really not a great episode
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WOW, Adam Lambert was awesome! Hands down the best performance of the night.
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Whoo hooo! Can't wait to see ADAM LAMBERT tonight!!
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