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Grimm S03E19: "Nobody Knows the Trubel I've Seen"


Grimm's hiatus schedule has been more than a little ridiculous since the show started the second half of Season 3, but at least the writers can usually figure out how to rope us back in—not that the cliffie at the end of "The Law of Sacrifice" left much room for boredom. While I'm not exactly thrilled with the introduction of Theresa Rubel, the Grimm who doesn't know what a Grimm actually is, I'm willing to give Grimm the chance to make her worth my while. The show hasn't done me (too) wrong yet. 

But can we just take a moment to talk about how dumb everyone was in this episode? The ruse to rescue the wee baby Diana from the Royals was clever and perfectly executed, but the follow-up leaves a lot to be desired—and now Adalind is going to whoop everyone's ass, all because no one bothered to let her into the cone of silence even a little bit. Part of that was strategic, I'm sure: The fewer people who know where the baby actually is, the better. However, Nick, Renard—everyone, really—they KNOW Adalind. They know perfectly well what she's capable of, and they saw how destroyed she was by the loss of Diana. Did they think she'd just get over it? Like, really


I'm all for deliciously devious Adalind action, but I cringed at the implications of what VIktor asked her to do and how readily she jumped at the opportunity to screw over Nick and Renard—and all because she thinks the Royals have Diana. Adalind is willing to do anything to get her daughter back, or to at least be reunited with her. It's just shocking how dismissive everyone was of Adalind's maternal instinct, especially since at no point did she ever give Monroe, Nick, or the others any reason to doubt her dedication to her child. They made their assumptions based on her past—which is somewhat fair, I guess—but man, people change, and Season 3 has put a ton of emphasis on the idea of people, cultures, and destinies changing. How many Wesen has Nick encountered who've worked really hard to rise above their biological or cultural instincts? What about Nick himself? What about Rosalee's hellraiser past? Or Renard's less-than-noble Royal roots? Everyone on Grimm is trying to be better, despite having reasons not to be. That no one could see that same change in Adalind is a little surprising. 

And now they're all going to suffer for it. I feel a little bad; mostly for Adalind, and maybe for Rosalee and Juliette, who were all "I told you so" to their dumb, dumb menfolk. And on that note, we should also probably talk about the amazing face Juliette flashed when Nick brought Trubel into their abode. It was pure, "Really? Another F*ing stray?"


At best, Trubel will serve as baggage to cart around for the next episode or two: deadly enough on her own, but too new to the world of Wesen and Grimm to understand the whens and whys of how it works. At worst, she knows more than she's letting on and totally playing Nick for some to-be-revealed-later reason. That bit at the end of the episode was just a little too ominous for my comfort, unless Grimm was going for more of a "Teehee, teenagers are such trouble!" vibe. In which case: no. 

With just three episodes left in the season, Grimm seems no closer to resolving any of its marvelous messes. That's mostly why I'm concerned about Trubel—there's already so much going on in the stories that the show has been meticulously establishing all season. We didn't even get any Monrosalee wedding-planning this week! There's still time, though, and Grimm has always been pretty successful in the mad dash to the finish.



ALL ABOARD AUNT MARIE'S BOOKMOBILE OF CRAZY

– Adalind desperately making the rounds to literally everyone was so heartbreaking, and how about that exchange with Renard? "I hate you." "I don't blame you." "Help me." "I don't know how." 

– Do you have any predictions percolating for the homestretch of the season? 

– Was Zombie Nick ever actually dealt with or did that whole story just fade away? 


What did you think of "Nobody Knows the Trubel I've Seen"?


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AIRED ON 5/20/2016

Season 5 : Episode 22

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I love that Adelind has her powers back, and I hope she finds Kelly Burkhard and gets even. Or not. But I will actually stop watching if Trubel is a part of the cast. We don't need a Grimmling, especially not a carbon copy of a million other teenage girls with kickboxing superpowers. Why do they all have that same exact "tough", rude, arrogant, know-it-all, bratty personality? I absolutely hate that. Its very played out. Can't one of these super girls be reasonable, polite, and have any humility? Its a desperate bid to get some teenage audience, and it will cost them the viewers in their thirties they have, including me.
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Has TPTB swept the contract under the carpet so Adalind could get away from selling her baby, have the cake and eat it too for free? Or, are we actually seeing the effect of Adalind breaking the contract.... in that her baby seems to 'favor' someone else, notably when Kelly turned up at Monroe's house. Also, when the baby actually caused a commotion alerting Nick & co of Adalind escaping when they're suppose to slip away quietly.... it occurs to me Adalind may have already lost her child when she signed the contract in blood, like severing their bond/blood-tie even if she keeps the baby in person.

And what's with the morphing face when she slept.... Was that a hint she's not in full control of her hexenbiest self? Not to undermine 'maternal instinct', I notice Adalind always look way too please and smug every time the baby exhibited her power without a shred of concern for my comfort. IMO, She always look awe, please and smug, in that order.

I sure hope they're not going to recycle power stripping plot.... how is it that she'd still regain her hexenbiest power with grimm blood in her? How awfully convenient all of the sudden someone knows that makes Nick 'vulnerable'.... Viktor's obviously playing on her desperation. It appears to me Adalind tends to be as manipulative as she's foolish when it comes to getting what she wants. She's quick to give away her child for her power just as she's now mindlessly doing Viktor's bidding to get her back. How ironic. "Anything" indeed!

Personally I'd prefer her action to have consequences on a wider scope effecting more people (Viktor's plan) than an endless personal vendetta against someone whose action was the result of her own evil doing in the first place!
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I just wanted to give a quick shout-out to the action scene in the car, when Nick's in the backseat with Trubel.

I always love it when we see some real Grimm action from Nick. Not zombie "superpowers" or wildly swinging weapons around, but action that really looks like Nick is in control. Like this: while I have mixed feelings about Nick conking a confused teenaged girl in the head, it was necessary, and the action was swift, effective, controlled, and not overkill: precisely what I always envisioned good Grimm action to be. :)
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I am not crazy about the idea of a Grimm in training. I mean Nick has enough to deal with at the moment. I really liked this episode but I am not crazy about Trubel and the fact that she may be around for a while.
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You may be right. I am so sad about that. I have enjoyed this show so much, i would hate to have to give it up, but I think I would. That last line "Cal me Trouble" convinced me that i would be too irritated by her to enjoy it if I stayed watching.
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Renard and Trubel in the same room. What will happen? Any ideas?
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What would happen? Renard is on the same side as Nick. Unless Renard had to arrest her for breaking the law, they should have no problem. And if he did, Nick would help. Its not like Renard is anti Grimm in any way. He is the one looking for an alliance with a Grimm against the Royals.
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There's this 1 tiny problem. She doesn't understand Wessen (yet) and from her POV a good Wessen is a dead Wessen. Details like their attitude, alliances and so on are irrelevant. Kill first, check alliances later, right? I'm thinking explosions, knives, lots of blood, Nick-who-didn't-have-time-to-help and similar events. It takes more that 5 seconds to explain that Renard is on the same side and 5 seconds is her reaction time - judging from what we saw last time.
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Mary-Anne, you totally nailed the review... Renard, Nick & co were pretty dumb thinking Adalind was just going to take it and not question the Royals or try to make a deal with them. It is also a bit dumb of Victor to not suspect something amiss if Adalind is calling him... Ugh...

Other than that... I was happy that the 'wessen of the week' turned out to be a young out of control Grimm... and Nick's new room mate! Perhaps she will run Juliette out of town? Please? At any rate Nick's coaching of Trubel could provide some entertainment value... Can't wait for Bud's reaction to her...
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Yeh that was really crap, how thick are they, as if she's not going to do whatever it takes to get her baby back, lame, lazy writing.
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You know, even after 2+ seasons, people are all just gaga over Monroe and Rosalee. Well, this show is about Nick Burckhard. He is the main character and everyone else is secondary. I, personally, think Renard is much more central to the story and his relationship with Adalind more important also. I believe the introduction of Trubel will give us a deeper insight into what Grimms are and how they operate, which I welcome; even if we don't see a wedding this year.
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I actually really liked the Trubel arc. And I think it'll tie in nicely with all the other arcs that are going on. My own view: as long as the arcs tie together in some way in the end, the more arcs the merrier. Makes them all the more rewarding when they do tie together. :) And I think the addition of Trubel adds an interesting element to everything else that's going on.

I'm a little worried about her, though.

I keep waffling between thinking she's a Royal spy, vs. thinking she's exactly what she appears to be. On the one hand, she did just manage to get into a position where she's gained Nick's absolute trust, in like less than a day.(!) Plus, there's still that mysterious "she" that betrayed Renard to the Royals when he visited Europe, earlier this season (assuming there is a "she," and the traitor is not the man who was interrogating the suspect. He did place an extremely weird emphasis on the word, "her," and then immediately called for the suspect's death).

OTOH, she was obviously genuinely upset and overwhelmed, even when she was alone, so unless she (Trubel, not the actress who plays her) is an extremely method actress, it's more likely that she's exactly who she appears to be: a troubled teenage girl, who spent a good portion of her life fleeing from monsters that only she could see, who were trying to kill her, without ever knowing what they were or why they were trying to kill her.

So, assuming she's exactly what she appears, I can see two possible outcomes for her:

  1. She tries for a little while to absorb what Nick has to teach her, before discovering that she really can't reconcile his way of viewing Wesen with her own personal experiences. And Monroe and Rosalee are made to suffer as a result (according to the previews, she officially meets MonRosalee in the next episode). Or Nick is forced to kill her, to save MonRosalee. Or...
  2. (and I think this is actually more likely) She develops a massive crush on Nick. Nick is, after all, the person who just saved her from a lifetime of terror and ignorance. And he's the only person she's ever met who's like her. And he's an authority figure, to boot. And she's a goth teenager. Yeah, I see a massive crush coming. And Juliette is made to suffer as a result, or Nick is forced to kill her, to save Juliette.
Either way, I don't see this having a happy ending, which is too bad, because I really kind of like her.
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So here's the deal, they should of had a plan to deal with Adalind. Seriously how could she just be ok with her baby being stolen from her? Yes, she's a bad person but if they are protecting her baby then they should of realized how an upset mother would react. Maybe play along with trying to hatch a plan to get Diana from the Royals. A little silly, yes but I'm sure dealing her before she stopped crying would have better than what they will have to deal with now. Also I'm not sure if she will be all that upset when she finds out Momma Grimm has her. She did go to Nick's house asking where Momma Grimm was at. She has some level of trust there. Why not say, "I'll try and contact my mom and we will send her to find Diana"? That might have calmed her for the time being. Now she's going to whatever it takes to get her baby back. I'm sure they will all figure it out.
Oh and Miss Trubel....she kinda looks like Nick. If she is a sister that will be interesting, but Portland needs only one Grimm. :)
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Thought for a sec it was Bex Taylor-Klaus playing Trubel. It's going to be real interesting now that there's a new grimm to the mix.
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I hope "Zombie Nick" is still around somewhere and he could come back when Adalind tries to kill him or to take is power with his blood in her.
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Things are getting annoying seriously. I want super-powered Grimm but they didn't touch that issue since many episodes. What is so special about a Grimm? nothing except seeing Wesen in ther true form. But i believe Grimm powers are actually like super-soldier's or something and they will get there eventually i hope.
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I still think Grimm are nothing more than super power wesens that decided long ago to fight on human side.
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Okay, that would make sense but the point is we haven't see any interesting stuff for our guy except superhearing. I would like to see what is so special about being a Grimm.
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This is a direct response to some of the posts on this thread: I feel like a lot of people are connecting Adalind's past and inclinations to whether or not she deserves her child. I say things aren't so black an white. Adalind may be a bad person - and again, that depends on what side you're on and where you're standing. From Nick/Juliette/Monroe/Hank, etc.'s point of view Adalind is a bad person. But, how soon we forget that Renard was involved with pretty much all the same things that Adalind was involved with. In fact, most of her evil deeds were orders from Renard himself. The only difference is Renard wanted to ally himself with Nick (a Grimm), and found a way to be useful to him and the rest of the Scooby Gang. While I myself have become attached to Renard, let's not forget that that could all change in the blink of an eye, people! Adalind being a "bad" person, does not necessarily mean that she will be, or that she is a bad mother. And it certainly doesn't mean she deserves to have her child taken from her. I think that's a very black and white way of looking at things, and things have become too deliciously complicated in Grimm, to continue in that line of thinking.
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Regarding Adalind's "bad deeds," and the idea that Renard is guilty as well:

When I think of Adalind's "bad deeds," I don't think of anything she did under orders, from Renard or anybody else. Actually, the first think I think of, is what she did to Juliette. It's the first thing I think of when I think of Adalind's "bad deeds" for two reasons: 1) because she did it entirely on her own initiative. She did it because she wanted revenge, pure and simple. And 2) because she was so cunning about the poison, and everything that followed from it. She managed to think so far ahead of everybody else, and managed to make everybody else's lives (including Renard's) a sheer misery, for quite a while.

I agree, btw, on your other point, about how none of this is technically related to Adalind "deserving" to have her child. Apples and oranges. Lots of bad women become mothers. Doesn't mean they deserve to have their children be kidnapped from them. OTOH, as you said, it's not all black and white. It's not like Viktor was ever going to let her keep her baby, after all.
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Bad or not she is hot.
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Grimm has been one of my favorite shows since the beginning, but I stopped watching this episode when Adalind showed up at Nick's house in a panic begging for help getting her baby back, and I won't watch it any more unless I find out that Adalind is reunited with her baby very soon. Why would the writers show her changing from an evil character into a loving mother only to take her child from her? She's going to become a super villain at this rate, and there's a good chance her baby will, too. Letting Nick's emotionally stunted mother raise a child that's going to need A LOT of love and kindness to ensure that she handles her considerable powers responsibly rather than being corrupted by them before she's even old enough to understand what empathy is.
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Portland (ironically) didn't get this episode until today, due to KGW airing basketball playoffs on Friday. I like the new girl, I have a weakness for the tough ones. There's just one problem.....

Her name is "Trouble"? Seriously? That is so hacky.
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Somehow I dont think Adalind is going to take Nick's powers, sounded more like she was gonna take control over him. I dunno, but if she takes his powers I'm gonna be pissed! :P
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i think that is why the other Grimm showed up, may be to help Nick fight this...
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Adalind's "maternal instincts" bear a strong resemblance to those of a meth addict assaulting the cops who've come to take her kids someplace where the fridge ain't empty, the adult supervision ain't tweaking 24/7, and nobody's going to slap them around. Adalind knows she's incapable of properly caring for her kid (her conversations on the plane ride demonstrate that), but that doesn't seem to factor into her thinking.

So why would they clue Adalind in? All that would do is give her reason to sic the Verrat on Momma Burkhardt, as well as working to undermine Nick, et al.
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In this case through the police drop the kid off around an aunty equally incapable of taking care of her with an equally empty fridge.
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Au contraire. Mama Burkhardt may be a stone-cold killer, but unlike Adalind, she's principled, selfless, and skilled in all sorts of badassery. The writers established quite firmly that even if she's not much for warm-fuzzies, she's perfectly capable of affection, even more capable of keeping the kid protected, and that she'll make the child's welfare the center of her existence.

So yeah, the kid will have a weird upbringing (she'll probably get more birthday presents made by H&K than Mattel), but she'll have a parental figure that puts her first, and that's by far the most important factor in determining if a child is well-adjusted or not.
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I'm not sure what change you saw in Adalind, Mary Ann. There hasn't been any change to her character that I've seen. Adalind is the same as she has been since the first ep. That little smile she gave as she conned Sean is proof. The fact that she is so willing to go against Nick and Sean is also proof. The only thing we've seen is that she loves her child. But she had been planning on giving that same child up right up until the royals started hunting her. She left with Meiner to save her own life not the child's. The love she has for that baby doesn't redeem her. She wouldn't have seen letting the baby go as the right thing to do, because she's still thinking about what she wants rather than what's best for her child.

Also I'm pretty sure Trubel is going to be mistaken as the woman who was helping Nick and Sean in absence of Nick's mother being present. The royals will prob capture her or torture her for info, and they will finally have a Grimm working for them.
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She might also have one of the last two keys or know where one of them is
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I'm not sure what change you saw in Adalind, Mary Ann. There hasn't been any change to her character that I've seen. Ad aliens is the same as she has been since the first ep. That little smile she gave as she conned Sean is proof. The fact that she is so willing to go against Nick and Sean is also proof. The only thing we've seen is that she loves her child. But she had been planning on giving that same child right up until the royals started hunting her. She left with Meiner to save her own life not the child's. The love she has for that baby doesn't redeem her.

Also I'm pretty sure Trubel is going to be mistaken as the woman who was helping Nick and Sean in absence of Nick's mother being present. The royals will prob capture her or torture her for info, and they will finally have a Grimm working for them
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Victor want Adalind to kill nick and maybe Renard as well. Since that would basically end the show, that is not going to happen. I think when she is trying to do so, they tell her the truth and she leaves the city to find her baby.
As for the new Grimm, Nick is probably going to educate her on the ways of the Grimm but instead of the old days by just killing the Vessen he learns her that they are not all bad and she becomes a Grimm like he is. Another posibility is that she gets killed by Adalind.
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I'm more surprised that Mama Grimm didn't clue the guys in on needing a plan for dealing with Adalind in the aftermath, None of them seem to have good strategic planning skills, and that's something I expected from at least Renard.

Adalind has shown little willingness to change for the better, she's either a clueless victim or a vindictive back-stabber. That dies NOT make for good role model for any child. Mama Grimm is definitely the best choice for raising such a powerful child. And if Adalind tries to take Nick's abilities away, I hope she is on the receiving end of the tender mercies of Nick's mother.

There is no way a positively ID'd suspect would be able to walk out of the precinct, even in the custody of 2 cops, without tons of paperwork behind them. And its insane to think she could accompany Nick and Hank on the job, as shown in the scenes for next week. The writers have made a huge fail on this plot point. I do like the concept of seeing another Grimm who hasn't been as lucky as Nick in understanding what he can see and do. But from what we've seen of Trubel, this girl is just damaged goods.
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What I'm waiting for is for Nick to say to Adalind: "I took your powers once, I can do it again" So far since she returned to Portland she showed no remorse. At best she felt awkward when her past was brough up but no "Hey, Juliet, sorry for me almost killing you back then". She shows maternal instinct but that doesn't make her a good person by default. She may love the child but that doesn't mean she gave up her hexenbeast ways and that she would use such power to get her way.

As for Trubel, not sure. Seems like a distraction at first glance. And hoenstly how good a teacher will Nick be? Considering he still relies heavily on Monroe and Rosalee for help.
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I don't know for sure that Nick can take her powers again. According to Viktor in this episode, Adalind still has Nick's blood in her from before, and she has her powers back anyway, so it's unlikely that more of Nick's blood would take her powers away again.

Don't think Trubel is a distraction; I think she'll really factor into both the mythology and the plot.

And personally, I think the fact that Nick still relies on MonRosalee is a strength, not a weakness. :) The fact that he has MonRosalee is precisely what sets Nick apart from all other Grimms throughout history, both in terms of his perspective, and in terms of superpowers which resulted from surviving things that no Grimm could have survived on their own (think about it: the two incidents that resulted in lasting adaptations were the blindness-causing Wesen and the zombie-creating Wesen. How could Nick have survived being poisoned by either of them, and thus come away with lasting adaptations, without the unique perspective that a Wesen like Rosalee brings to the table?)
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Well there may be another procedure. Nick's mother was aware it's possible for hexenbeast to regain their powers so there may be procedure to deal with such cases. Or fall back to default solution, cut off their heads. :)

At this point Trubel is another story arch with so many yet unresolved. The key, baby, wedding....

As for relying on Monroe and Rosalee not being weakness I agree. It's a good thing, but it shows Nick is still learning. He seldom figures out things on his own so how can he be a teacher? He could explain basic stuff such as "there are wessen, some are nasty some are not and we grimms deal with them."
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Good points, but I think Nick can still teach her (and is the only one who can teach her) what she most needs to be taught:
  • Here is how we deal with violent Wesen.
  • Here is how we deal with scared Wesen.
  • Here is how we deal with Kehrseite.
  • Here is how we deal with life.
  • You are not alone.
:)
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Well, first lessons should be:
-nasty and dangerous wessen
-Monroe is neither
-wessen who don't care about you either way
-wessen who are not dangerous but freak out easily
-friendly wessen

But I think best thoing would be for Nick to have her read the books and talk to Monroe (if he can be persuaded)
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I think Little Miss trouble knows more than she letting on, I think Little miss trouble will end up knowing far more about being a Grimm than Nick does. An she only there for his key and possible the caravan, after all Monroe once told Nick that Wesen and other Grimm would kill to get hold of it.
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Well, that's a possibility. What I don't understand is how she kept running into wessen. OK, both instances could be written of as coincidences, attackers who just happen to be wessen attack somebody who just happens to be a grimm. But how often did this happen to Nick? I mean non-voge wessen attacking him out of the blue, "just because".

Granted she could have certain air of vulnerability (small, woman, alone....) which Nick doesn't have.

But still, two attacks in two days sounds an awful lot.
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"They call me Truble" was a bit much. I wouldn't call it ominous, just a bit on the nose.
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"They made their assumptions based on her past—which is somewhat fair, I guess—but man, people change, and Season 3 has put a ton of emphasis on the idea of people, cultures, and destinies changing. How many Wesen has Nick encountered who've worked really hard to rise above their biological or cultural instincts? What about Nick himself? What about Rosalee's hellraiser past? Or Renard's less-than-noble Royal roots? Everyone on Grimm is trying to be better, despite having reasons not to be. That no one could see that same change in Adalind is a little surprising."

It's not "surprising" in the slightest, since Adalind gave no indication whatsoever, in any of the episodes we've seen her, that she has "changed" or at least attempted to "be better".

The only actual change she underwent, turning her baby into Gods know what in the process and not even pausing long enough to think of the possible aftermath of that, was restoring her powers.

Why would anyone feel "sorry" for her is beyond me. I'd sooner pity Joffrey Lannister.
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Thank you! I have no pity whatsoever for Adalind, myself. Hello? She's gladly conspiring with the Royal D*ck the second it's opportune for her (although she must be aware that the Prince, or whatever his title is, wouldn't be interested in her for a nano second. That just makes her a traitor and a dumb one at that.)
That's why the gang had to leave her out of the equation. For the child's sake. Adalind just would have gone after the baby if anybody told her, that she's on the run with Nick's mother. She'd just put the kid in danger again and again. If she had any maternal or good bone in her body, I'd opt for her to be told but she hasn't. I'm hoping that she dies trying to takes Nick's powers. I'm really fed up with that character. I don't see any redemption for her. She didn't try very hard to redeem herself. Adalind is much talk and more Hexen*itch, that one she'll never cease to be. I'd pity any child to be brought up by such a person. It would make no difference if Adalind or the Royals got that child, both option would bode ill for the kid.
As for Trubel, I kind of like her. It would be nice for Nick to have a little sidekick with Grimm powers. If Adalind takes them from Nick, he really could use someone standing in for him, don't you think?
For the finale, I want a big (and non-bloody) wedding and a dead or incarcerated Adalind (preferably with the Royals). And please don't go off the air leaving Nick powerless! That would be beyond annoying!
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"It would make no difference if Adalind or the Royals got that child, both option would bode ill for the kid."

Exactly.
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To enact the complex plan that they enacted in order to secure the baby to Kelly was great. The lack of a follow up plan to deal with Adalind in the loss of her baby was no so great. You would think that people capable of pulling off the former would have been able to figure out the latter. Them not doing so and thinking it would all just go back to normal is kind of a big plot hop to deal with. Simply put, this was just an easy way to keep Adaling in the fray. And it is kind of sloppy and I don't want to expect from Grimm. But given the way they wasted screen time earlier in the season to kind of force the viewer to like Juliette it kind of seems apropos.

Currently there are too many plots going on, I am not sure introducing another character is something that they needed to do at this point. Trubel, though an interesting character, seems like someone that should have been introduced in the finale. Boom, Nick and his mom aren't the only Grimm's, I think that might have been better. This all seems too easy. We have Adalind, who now because she has Grimm blood in her is supposedly be able to take on Nick in a more formidable manner and we have a brand new Grimm, ripe for killing.

I have to agree with others opinion on Adalind. She simply isn't a likable enough character to warrant our sympathy. But that might be because we as viewers know things that she does not. Had we not been shown that Kelly ended up with the Baby, we would likely have our sympathy. That reveal could have been handled in the finale and I think the weight of it would have been a lot better.

At this point I am not sure where they are going. They kind of seem lost in their various plots. We still haven't seen the entirety of Nick's new powers, it was glossed over with the rest of the stuff. If they don't address it by the end of the season I think they are doing the story a disservice. Their not doing so has been problematic with the story, too many half assed Wesen getting in a shot on Nick that they shouldn't be able to do with this new power. Again, I am not sure where they are going to go for the finale. Hopefully they are going to be able to wrap this up and give us a phenomenal finale like the did last season. But at this point I just don't see how that is going to be possible.


Oh an one more thing. Who else thinks that there is a key in the Knight?

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I certainly agree that the knight probably means something, and a Grimm key would be a nice twist, but if it was so meaningful, I'm surprised she'd leave it behind after killing her would-be rapists. Perhaps she doesn't know exactly what it means.
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I'm with you on a key in the knight. And that would mean she's not completely in the dark on Grimms.
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Not necessarily, it could be something she has always had, doesn't know how she got it. Something like that.
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All I got from this episode is how much I really really dislike Adalind, she was always two face self centered b*tch looking to stab someone in the back, and now, we are supposed to feel sorry for her because her hormons kicked in and she wants here baby back, the same baby she was looking to sell to highest bidder?
I was hoping she would be dead in this episode, or latest in the next, now she is just a tool to bring some kind of Royal involvement, and that part bores me. This introduction of another Grimm is more of the storyline that I wish show go for more often.
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Grimm has gotten really boring lately, too many storylines or just plain uninteresting characters. I don't feel a thing for Adaline and her loss. Sorry.
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– Adalind desperately making the rounds to literally everyone was so heartbreaking, and how about that exchange with Renard? "I hate you." "I don't blame you." "Help me." "I don't know how."

Well... Hexenbiest are two faced Wexen.. What I am afraid of is what Adalind will do? Is she immune to Grimm's Blood? What does that mean? When Viktor said it i wasn't comfortable what is she going to do next..

– Do you have any predictions percolating for the homestretch of the season?

Adalind will do sth horrible to Renard with Nick's blood.... Can she strip Sean's powers like how Nick Strips hers? I was so sure towards the ending that she is going to bite Renard's lips.. but since Nick has Trubel.. (a backup Grimm, if she is a good one that is) she might have sth to do with Adalind's scheme... or not..

– Was Zombie Nick ever actually dealt with or did that whole story just fade away?

I was actually thinking about that to... But I am so comfortable with Nick's super powers that I don't care if the story fades... Ofcourse I would be interested with some elaboration towards the matter..


What did you think of "Nobody Knows the Trubel I've Seen"?

There is another Grimm??? I am so excited to see an evil Grimm.. (yes.. i think she will be a badass Grimm because she is a typical teenager gothic looking gal.. i know i know i am stereotyping).. She seems so determine to kill..

I felt like Juliette, a bit sorry for Adalind.. Even though I knew she cannot be trusted.. the baby is hers.. and a mother never forgets. Now Nick and Renard had just made war with Viktor through Adalind... Hopefully Trubel can fit in with the puzzle.

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Trubel seems like she will be an interesting character, it just seems like it's a bit late in the season to be introducing her.
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I think Zombie Nick was just showing how a new power reacts, like his enhanced hearing. So something that he can call on when he needs it
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What has annoyed me this season is that they have completely forgotten the biggest mystery of the show: the key and the map. The last time we saw the key was at the end of last season! We have only seen one of seven keys (unless Trubel's chess piece is some sort of key), the other families/Grimms in possession of the keys have not been introduced, no one has yet travelled to Europe to search for the treasure, and since the treasure has not been found, they have not been able to deal with its powers. It's like the producers are saving those kind of things for a possible seventh or eighth season. Pretty optimistic if you ask me, which I know you don't. And while pushing those story lines into the future, they are filling the time with stories that might be interesting, but do not in any way contribute to the main story arch.

Trubel might turn out to be a compelling character, and her family ties might be important for Nick, but it still seems like introducing her is just a detour from the bigger story line.
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The knight....what kind of nugget was that chess piece supposed to be?..it felt like a nugget. As an optimist, i fill like miss T.Rubel is going to be the thing that saves Nick from whatever witchery Adalind is planning. So here is hoping the next episode deal with revealing that plan. Also would it kill them to show us Nick's Zombie powers? is that what will derail whatever evil Adalind is planning?. Coz you know girlfriend is gonna fry someone to get her baby back (Though i dont see Ninja mom giving her back!! unless as an exchange for Nick!) .
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Okay, Adalind wants her baby back. I don't blame her. Maybe, carrying and delivering a baby made her a kinder and gentler hexenbiest. I do know that taking the baby away is gonna make mama mad. Being a mother does not erase what she did in the past, but she might be redeemed.

Victor told Adalind that she has Nick's blood in her and to use it to take his Grimm powers. It has been a couple of years since that incident. Would those few drops of blood still be in her? If they are still viable to take Nick's powers, then Zombie Nick will come back.

Zombie Nick was never fully dealt with. It has just been on the back burner lately. I think it was last episode, that he used his super hearing.

I was wondering how they knew that Trubel was a Grimm before they Woged. I thought that they established that Wessen had to Woge before they detected that Nick was a Grimm. It seemed like Trubel caused the Wessen to Woge somehow. Anyway, the solution is the sunglasses. She MUST wear sunglasses at all times.


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Biologically, a blood cell lives 120 days, so in the real world that blood would be long gone. I doubt that the show is concerned with actual human biology, though, or explains it away with some special Wessen trait or retaining or some such--if they even bother justifying things like that on a show like this.
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That was my point. However little blood Nick got into her was long gone by now. If I remember correctly she bit his lip and some blood got into her mouth. Only a few drops, but enough to take away her powers. it would have passed on in a few months, not to mention a year or so. At least nine months anyway.
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The thing that bug me was that chess piece was never really dealt with. I thought it was significant but it just faded as story progress. Sort of like Nick grey hulk/deadman vibe. Anyway hope they can deal with all these before too long...
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I really liked this episode right up until the last few minutes. Trubel went from a freaked out kid who thinks she's insane to "trouble" just like that. Also, I hate that they snatched Adelind's baby from her, but didn't even stop to think about how they were going to deal with her afterwords.

Does Kelly still have those coins? What's going to happen if she raises the super baby with them around?
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I like the episode, and I feel that Trubel will become a pawn in this game, the Royals want a Grimm, and I have a feeling she will become much more in the next season...
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Yeah, what's up with Zombie-Nick?! He hasn't turned grey for the past few episodes, so no one has brought it up.

Did the. . .venom? poison? whatever the crap zombie-vodoo-witch-doctor-blow-fish-man gave him get flushed out of his system, and now he's okay??
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I hope not I want more zombie powered nick.
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Maybe I misunderstood this as nobody else mentioned it, but I got the impression that Trubel either isn't completely human, or there's something wrong with her.
She had those red marks on her hands after each attack and she seemed to have to keep cooling herself down in the bath. I don't remember Nick ever having anything like that. It may be that the Grimm power is too much for her at her age?

I didn't mind that they didn't tell Adalind the truth, to quote Nick, "I'm not entirely sure she'd make a great mother". Especially if the baby is some super-powerful demon hybrid; I'm not convinced she would have Diana use her powers for good. But, it did seem a little odd that practically no thought had been given what to say to her.
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There is something wrong with her, I suppose, yes. She's a pretty messed up kid, in the head anyway. I mean, she's sort of freaked out herself into a state of mental anguish. She keeps seeing all these freaky creatures, they realize she's a Grimm, and then proceed to attack her. She's obviously had to kill other Wesen before now, so that, plus what she thinks are monsters attacking her I'm sure have taken a toll on her psyche.

Not to mention, her parents are most likely dead, as doesn't one Grimm in the family have to die for another to 'activate'? (And if so, she was too young for them to tell her before they died.) She's moved around a bunch, according to police record, looks like she's a loner. . .yeah, not a good mental situation all around.

The red on her hands was blood. It looked a bit funny and patchy, because she was wearing woolen gloves before that. So, the pattern of the wool, combined with the dried blood gave her hands a funny look. And, she goes into the shower after each attack, as she obviously wants to wash the blood and whatnot off, and I guess yes, to 'cool down' emotionally and try to forget-- wouldn't you want to do the same?
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Is it too early to start shipping Wu and Trubel? ;-)


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What would have made more sense to me would have been to send Adalind and Kelly off together with the baby, central Manitoba perhaps, to live as Mother-Daughter-Granddaughter in anonymity. Mama Grimm keeps Adalind in line, Adalind's out of everyone hair, and the baby grows up in a Grimm/Vessen neutral corner.

As for Trubel, I kind of like the possibilities. Of course, she could be a mere annoyance so let's hope the writers are creative and avoid the usual "milk it for suspense" type of cliches. Nick actually shows enthusiasm when introducing others to Grimm lore, so training her could allow the writers to expand the Grimm mythology (for the viewers), in an interseting and potentially humourous way. Trubel's "journey" could have plot potential as Nick and the gang try to keep her out of trouble until she masters the art of Grimmness.
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An Adalind and Mama Grimm team up would have never worked. Adalind had no reason to stick around and would have bailed just like she did at Nick's house. Also, Mama Grimm killed Adalind's mother. She would have never been about to turn her back or close her eyes around that hexenbiest. And another thing, if Adalind had disappeared at the same time as the baby, the Royals would have known that she had the baby and been searching for her. As it is now, they have no idea who Mama Grimm is or that she has the baby. Therefore, they don't even know where to begin their search.
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The last point, I agree with. Mama Grimm, however, wouldn't have any trouble taking care of the hexenbitch debutante. And the baby likes Mama Grimm. Adalind, as we've seen, doesn't have a lot of patience. She'd come to depend upon Kelly for her help. My take ...
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That's what I was thinking the whole time!

Why didn't they compromise, and let Adalind in on it, after the pretend Resistance 'took' the baby, and then her, baby, and Mamma Grimm go off into the world together?! She even says in this episode she doesn't even care Mamma Grimm killed her mother, she just wants her kid.
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  • Adalind might have just said that in desperation to get the kid back. Just because she said that she understood why Kelly killed her mom, that does not mean she was completely ok with it.
  • Adalind disappearing all of a sudden, along with Diana being taken from the Royals would have been a red flag. Then as well as searching for Diana, they would have killed Renard's mom, and went after Renard and others with the intention of killing them.
  • Adalind has not shown any real change as a person. Even with Kelly there, that does not mean Adalind wouldn't have tried anything get away for whatever reason. Diana needed to be raised away from both the Royals and the Resistance as well as needing to be raised by a good person. As she has shown no redemption, it would certainly be more difficult for Kelly to have a positive enough influence on her where Diana would become good instead of picking up her mothers bad traits. Adalind being around would do more harm than good.
  • If you pay attention, the baby is kind of fine when she is around Adalind. However, she is better when Kelly is around.
  • Besides, Kelly is going to have enough to deal with regarding Diana. She is not a normal baby and besides all the normal baby stuff she has to handle, Kelly has to contend with reigning in Diana's powers: teaching her when and when not to display them, control, how to use them properly without causing harm to herself of someone innocent, etc. All that is a lot more difficult when you have to watch your back dealing with a Hexenbeist whose mom you killed and whose son took away her powers in the first place. After a little time Adalind could easily get pissed about Kelly telling her how to raise her kid, or outright taking over. Average mom's get pissed when a relative, in-law or even a stranger gives unsolicited advice about raising a kid, imagine how that would go down when said mother has powers.
    • Overall, if Adalind had gone with Kelly, it would not have been in Diana's best interest. It would not have been good grow up with Adalind and Kelly being at odds. Adalind would have been a distraction Kelly did not need. I know Adalind is her mother, but at the end of the day, she would have done more harm than good.
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Whether Adeline has changed or not is not the point. She showed nothing but complete maternal instinct since the baby was born and to not give her the choice to make a decision regarding the baby was not only cruel but stupid. Now you have a lose canon who raging with grief willing to do anything to find her baby....how much loyalty did she owe Nick for 5 minutes of help when she thinks he killed her mother and took away her Hexen powers.
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She knows now that Nick's Mum killed her mother (and actually says this episode she doesn't care, if she will help her). But yes, I agree for the most part. . .I felt bad for her, and she was just acting out of 'Mother Instinct'.
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I think troubles staying longer than just for dinner. Well Adelind's back I didn't miss that side of her. I hope Adelind doesn't take nicks Grimm from him, I hope she try's and nick kicks her ass but in the end she has to fail. I liked this episode it was good, I'm hoping that in future episodes nick trains trouble and becomes a mentor to her she seems lost and nick truly seemed OTC are about helping her find her way.
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-I didn't feel bad for Adalind at all. She's horrible, and I'm sorry but was there a point when she stopped being an awful person? I think people grew a little fond of her and the sass she was giving when she was getting her powers back. When has Adalind showed loyalty to anyone? I'm not surprised by her behavior, maybe a little that she went and asked for help when they all barely wanted to help when she had an innocent life in her hands.
-Trubel, not sure I believe she is who she says. I mean in no way did it seem like she was luring the wesen that attacked her, but something definitely isn't right. If they're gonna bring in another Grimm I'd prefer it'd be a trained one that still follows the old rules and wasn't so fond how Nick was handling things and then turns out to be apart of a small network of Grimms all over the world!

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Not as good as the last two episodes but I have faith in Grimm. They are really good at giving us great season endings.

I felt a little bad for Adalind when she was trying to get help (although I do understand their reasoning for not telling her) but that completely vanished when she called Victor and most likely agreed to help him hurt Nick. She really hasn't changed. She should know that helping Victor won't be good for her daughter. So now I actually just hoping they'll kill her by the end of the season because I hated her when she was just evil.

As for the new grimm. I'm not sure what to think of her yet. I will have to see what happens. But it's understandable that she would freak out when seeing wesens if she doesn't know what they are. But she's still a killer so I'm not sure that Nick helping her and bringing her to his and Juliette's home is a good idea.
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I wonder why so many of the fans have a bad feeling about Trubel. I think she is a refreshing bad ass new character, who will positively stir up the status quo of the show.

Yeah, I get it, there are a lot of story arcs which are not resolved yet - Adalind and the monster baby (I couldn't care less), Zombie-Nick, Wu has still to be introduced into the inner circle at some point (hopefully) and Monrosalies wedding.

But I believe that on the longer run the show will benefit from this new Grimm-situation. Nick has a lot of old and new enemies besides the usual "Wesen of the week" - it will help to keep some balance once Trubel is properly trained and no trouble anymore. I see great potential in this new character and hope she will stick around for longer!
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I wonder, Victor said something about repaying Nick for taking Adalinds powers. Will she take Nick's powers and have him rely on Trubel?
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Nope, we are still waiting for more Zombie Nick.
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I really loved zombie nick he was cool, and his powers after the fact were awesome I hope they can bring those up again soon, and show us some more abilities we don't know about, we know about the heightened hearing and vision, the ability to stay under water for along time, increased stamina. I want more, plus zombie nick was kinda hot, I like to see a darker side if nick.
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Did she remind anyone else of Bullet from The Killing/ Sin from Arrow
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Definitely Sin, for me.
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One wonders if Grimms are Wesen magnets. What are the odds that Trubel shows up in Portland and the first two guys she runs into are a) Wesen, and b) rapists? And then she runs into the gangbanger later and she's a Wesen, too.
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Considering how regularly Nick and crew come across Wesen in Portland, I'd say the odds are pretty good. Honestly, I was thinking through this entire episode that Portland needs to be renamed Wesenville or Wesenhaven or something like that.
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Decent episode good to see another Grimm besides Nick and his mum, I wonder how many Grimms there are. Did anyone get a Demi Moore vibe from the new Grimm.One issue I had with this episode was that Nick didn't care Trubel had just murdered 3 people, they were Wesen but murder is murder..I don't understand how he can just overlook this and just be like it's ok I'm going to take you under my wing and guide you in the ways of the Grimm. Anyway it's great to have the old scheming Adalind back not letting her in on the baby plan was a bad idea.
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Yes, I, too, got a Demi Moore vibe,
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HE didn't care per se because they were wesen and had attacked her because she was a grim. She was defending herself.
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That's the thing though we the viewer obviously know the Wesen started the fight in both instances but there was no way Nick and the police knew this. In fact the 2nd fight in the park all the police got was the footage from the passerby which just showed Trubel cutting up the Wesen woman, regardless of the circumstances this TRIPLE murder was glossed over way too quickly by Nick he basically gave her a pass mark simply because she was a fellow Grimm showing little regard for Wesen life.
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