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can someone explain something in "You Lose?" [spoilers]

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    cherold01

    [1]Jun 23, 2007
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    So, Malachi decides to kill Leon and Mephistopheles tells Thelma how to contact Ella so she can have her save Leon.

    Why? Mephistopheles says he's grown fond of the boy. First off, how much has Mephistopheles actually seen of Leon? And second, considering he's aiming to corrupt all mankind why would he care about some troublesome kid?

    Is there some way this makes sense?

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    PiperPrueLover4

    [2]Jun 24, 2007
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    No, there's not. It's just one of those continuity things that they don't think about. I wouldn't worry, it has little bearing on the storyline.
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    electricpeppers

    [3]Jun 24, 2007
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    I read it as this: we know that the Nephilim are Fallen Angels which leads us to believe that it's easy to become corrupted by sin whilst on earth... especially for angels, they begin to act like humans and become motivated by the same urges. Raphael & Mephistopheles are supposed to be free of sin and human weakness but they both fall in a sense.

    Raphael (the good Arch Angel) in the same episode is corrupted and comes onto Ella -- possibly from being on earth and being exposed to sinful humans for too long; this consequence directly parallels with Mephistopheles (the bad/evil arch angel) who is corrupted in a different sense.

    Mephistopheles sees things differently whilst on earth... rather than following the bad the likes of which he has always known he becomes fond of humans (Leon etc.) and becomes corrupted by good rather than sin like Raphael (since they are from opposing ends of the spectrum). It is a commentray on how good "corrupts" as much as evil -- Mephistopheles obviously was enamoured by mankind for good reasons, it shows us that 'good' can change a person/Angel as much as evil can.

    Edited on 06/24/2007 5:20am
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    claudia40

    [4]Jun 24, 2007
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    Thanks I did not think of it like that.

    electricpeppers wrote:

    I read it as this: we know that the Nephilim are Fallen Angels which leads us to believe that it's easy to become corrupted by sin whilst on earth... especially for angels, they begin to act like humans and become motivated by the same urges. Raphael & Mephistopheles are supposed to be free of sin and human weakness but they both fall in a sense.

    Raphael (the good Arch Angel) in the same episode is corrupted and comes onto Ella -- possibly from being on earth and being exposed to sinful humans for too long; this consequence directly parallels with Mephistopheles (the bad/evil arch angel) who is corrupted in a different sense.

    Mephistopheles sees things differently whilst on earth... rather than following the bad the likes of which he has always known he becomes fond of humans (Leon etc.) and becomes corrupted by good rather than sin like Raphael (since they are from opposing ends of the spectrum). It is a commentray on how good "corrupts" as much as evil -- Mephistopheles obviously was enamoured by mankind for good reasons, it shows us that 'good' can change a person/Angel as much as evil can.

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    claudia40

    [5]Jun 24, 2007
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    Thanks I was wondering the same
    cherold01 wrote:

    So, Malachi decides to kill Leon and Mephistopheles tells Thelma how to contact Ella so she can have her save Leon.

    Why? Mephistopheles says he's grown fond of the boy. First off, how much has Mephistopheles actually seen of Leon? And second, considering he's aiming to corrupt all mankind why would he care about some troublesome kid?

    Is there some way this makes sense?

    Edited on 06/25/2007 5:40pm
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    electricpeppers

    [6]Jun 25, 2007
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    claudia40 wrote:
    Thanks I did not think of it like that.

    electricpeppers wrote:

    I read it as this: we know that the Nephilim are Fallen Angels which leads us to believe that it's easy to become corrupted by sin whilst on earth... especially for angels, they begin to act like humans and become motivated by the same urges. Raphael & Mephistopheles are supposed to be free of sin and human weakness but they both fall in a sense.

    Raphael (the good Arch Angel) in the same episode is corrupted and comes onto Ella -- possibly from being on earth and being exposed to sinful humans for too long; this consequence directly parallels with Mephistopheles (the bad/evil arch angel) who is corrupted in a different sense.

    Mephistopheles sees things differently whilst on earth... rather than following the bad the likes of which he has always known he becomes fond of humans (Leon etc.) and becomes corrupted by good rather than sin like Raphael (since they are from opposing ends of the spectrum). It is a commentray on how good "corrupts" as much as evil -- Mephistopheles obviously was enamoured by mankind for good reasons, it shows us that 'good' can change a person/Angel as much as evil can.



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    cherold01

    [7]Jul 2, 2007
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    Ahh, very clever.

    electricpeppers wrote:

    I read it as this: we know that the Nephilim are Fallen Angels which leads us to believe that it's easy to become corrupted by sin whilst on earth... especially for angels, they begin to act like humans and become motivated by the same urges. Raphael & Mephistopheles are supposed to be free of sin and human weakness but they both fall in a sense.

    Raphael (the good Arch Angel) in the same episode is corrupted and comes onto Ella -- possibly from being on earth and being exposed to sinful humans for too long; this consequence directly parallels with Mephistopheles (the bad/evil arch angel) who is corrupted in a different sense.

    Mephistopheles sees things differently whilst on earth... rather than following the bad the likes of which he has always known he becomes fond of humans (Leon etc.) and becomes corrupted by good rather than sin like Raphael (since they are from opposing ends of the spectrum). It is a commentray on how good "corrupts" as much as evil -- Mephistopheles obviously was enamoured by mankind for good reasons, it shows us that 'good' can change a person/Angel as much as evil can.

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    SerenaDragonfly

    [8]May 21, 2008
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    according to wikipedia it wasn't that he was fond of Leon, it was mostly because he didn't feel that an innocent deserved to die.
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    hollacious

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    ahhh wikipedia... the most reliable internet source ever... not
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