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Homeland S03E02: "Uh... Oh... Ah..."


With Nicholas Brody out of the picture (temporarily), Homeland had a couple of options with Season 3. It could continue on with the CIA's hunt for terrorists, with Carrie Matheson hanging from rafters by her knees double-fisting pistols and lighting up bad guys, but that would turn it into any other flag-waving action show. Instead, Homeland focused on the second-most interesting aspect of the series (the first being Carrie ad Brody), which is the way Carrie's mental health issues affect her job as a CIA agent trusted with national-security level secrets. Well, it's interesting of you are perfectly okay with the idea that a government agency would employ crazies who need a steady diet of meds lest they turn into secret-spilling wide-eyed grinning goons. 

"Uh... Oh... Ah...," a phonetic reference to Carrie's final line of swollen-tongue dialogue in the episode (translation: "Fuck you, Saul"), largely repeated the themes and events of the season premiere, but louder. The rift between Saul and Carrie went from the size of a crosswalk to the vastness of the Grand Canyon, the hunt for the man responsible for the Langley bomber intensified, and Dana continued her post-suicide struggle and medication through stripping off her clothes. So if you didn't care for "Tin Man is Down," you probably didn't love this one. On the other hand, if you enjoyed the premiere, "Uh... Oh... Ah..." probably worked for you as well.

I've resigned myself to accepting that the CIA would continue its relationship with Carrie and her bipolar disorder because we've seen what a valuable asset to the team she can be when she's well. Well, that and Claire Danes' amazing performance. But we all know Carrie's mania, which could be responsible for her analytic gifts, kept her at a safe distance from being a central player in the CIA and could also be used to discredit her whenever the CIA wanted to. The idea of the CIA using her illness against her only made Carrie more manic, and the engine became self-perpetuating until Carrie was hopped up on tranqs watching crappy daytime television in a psych ward while the CIA swept her and her "crazy" accusations under a rug.

It was terribly uncomfortable stuff, which has always been Homeland's strength. Of course, Homeland's previous dabble into that kind of nerve-racking material dealt with the unseen terrorists and the idea that anyone, even your elderly neighbor, could be plotting to destroy America from the inside. That's not what has been going on in the quieter Season 3. In fact, Season 3 could almost be a continuation of the Season 1 finale when we last saw Carrie getting her brain zapped with electro-shock therapy. But even then, the security of America and the invisible threat of terrorism was the driving force of the series. Doubts remain about whether Carrie's struggle with her condition is really what Homeland should be, but it's what we got.

However, Homeland has found a way to make Carrie's inability to chill out fairly riveting stuff in Season 3. Carrie went to a reporter to tell her side of the story but was countered by Team Saul, who issued a Psychiatric Detention order thanks to some manufactured doctors' reports of Carrie going off her meds. I'm guessing this was the work of Dar Adul, who vowed to stop her. Saul went to Carrie's family and convinced them to side with him because Carrie was off her meds, which didn't sit too well with Carrie. And the tough part wasn't watching Saul betray her, it was watching Carrie inadvertently prove–through kicking and screaming tantrums and crazy talk–that gathering her up and hiding her away was necessary. Whether it's her heart of her brain driving Carrie, Homeland wants to make sure we're never fully able to trust her, just as the CIA can't. She's our unreliable narrator, prone to both excellence and error. Again, a lot of what makes it watchable has to do with Danes' performance. No one makes angry screaming faces like Danes. I must have watched the scene when she told Quinn, "Leave me alone!" about five times in a row and it freaked me out every single time.

This descent into conspiracy-theory-spewing madness (though we know better and the CIA should, too) was, of course, all designed to shatter one of the series' most fractured relationships in Saul and Carrie which started splintering last week. As the new director of the CIA, Saul was pressured into results and damage control, and drove the bus right over Carrie before the Senate hearing by saying she concealed information about Brody when Saul's whole team knew all about it. It meant Saul will get no "Have a Cool Christmas" Christmas Card with a picture of Miles Davis on it from Carrie this year. It also meant that Saul was acting like a huge jerk, and you're allowed to wonder, "WTF, Saul?" 

Peter Quinn spoke for us all when he told Saul he didn't like what was going on with the CIA's treatment of Carrie, but didn't it seem like Saul had something planned? Or is he just in "ends justify the means" mode? The importance of Saul's relationship with Carrie is just a tick below hers with Brody, and to completely trash that out of Saul's sense of duty to his job doesn't fit right. Maybe I'm over apologetic for Saul since I want him (or Mandy Patinkin) to be my dad, but I have to believe that Saul thought this out as he hinted to Quinn. I hope. I don't think I can stand to see Saul as a villain. 

But would Saul even be a villain? Take things from his perspective: Carrie stopped taking her meds and wasn't being a team player. She wouldn't shut up about Brody being innocent to anyone who would listen, and her loud-mouthing was could cripple the CIA permanently. From where Saul stood, she wasn't playing by the unwritten rules of the CIA. She wasn't being covert, she was drumming up unwanted attention at the worst possible time. That's what makes the Saul-Carrie situation so fascinating to me. Both sides have their point, thickening up the drama. We want to see that father-daughter relationship between Saul and Carrie blossom, but it can't happen until Carrie stops acting like a tinfoil-hat-wearing lunatic, whether she's right or not.

Okay, so I guess it's Dana time. I'll repeat what I said last week, which was something like, "Why so much Dana? Why so much Brody family business without Nicholas?" In this episode, Dana and Jess pushed each other further and further away, exacerbated by Dana's runaway trip back to her treatment program to hook up with Leo in the laundry room. This was pretty straightforward teen angst stuff that was not specific to domestic terrorism and could have taken place in the house across the street because this is how teen girls act sometimes. I did like seeing Dana drag Jess into the bathroom where she attempted suicide and very lucidly lay out how she was feeling; it was the most powerful scene in her storyline this season and both Morgan Saylor and Morena Baccarin were solid. Dana wanted to be alive now, and part of that was because of Leo. She spoke from sanity, and Jess was paralyzed because the truth of the matter was Leo was the rickety crutch Dana needed when Jess wanted to be her support. And the realistic fear that Leo could leave as quickly as he appeared meant that Dana could go through her problems all over again. I wouldn't worry too much if I were Jess, Dana's boyfriends have a habit of blowing up in terrorist explosions.

But I'm not so sure I can believe Dana when she dismissed her dad as a psycho who messed up their lives given that she later went to the garage and found Brody's prayer mat and downward dogged on it. Dana is a very confused girl. Almost as confusing as the placement of this storyline. You know who we should be worried about? Chris! That kid is WAY TOO calm about everything. At least Dana is working out her feelings. Chris is just like, "What's up sis? How you doing?" I wouldn't be surprised if Chris shot up his school next episode. Too much bottled up inside, if you ask me. And that's more than enough talk about the Brody household.

Through two episodes of Season 3, Homeland is good television with some parts in the wrong places. The show is better when Carrie is on the job, and she's not even being let out of the gate. But Homeland has a knack for accelerating at a ridiculously fun pace, and we could be just warming up. Or we could be seeing a show that's scared to move fast and take risks after the backlash of Season 2.



WACKO SCRIBBLINGS FROM CARRIE'S "I HEART BRODY" DIARY

– So Dana and Leo pulled out all the sheets from the laundry machines and then had sex all over them? That is just rude. Now someone has to wash those like 10 billion times to get all the teen sex off of them. Gross. 

– One bit of behavior that really surprised me was Saul's early treatment of his new analyst Fara. She showed up to work in a head scarf and Saul told her, "You wear that damn thing on your head, it's a big 'Fuck you' to the people who would have been your coworkers." WHOA. That's not like the worldly Saul at all, is it? Maybe Saul is a jerk.

– I'm just going to have to trust all the paper trail stuff Fara is working on. But I like her so far. Any woman who can put a banker in his place is okay with me.

– Quinn asked Fara how long she's been working at the CIA and she said, "Since the first." Quinn asked if she meant since the beginning of the year. No, duh. First of the month. Who says "Since the first" and means the beginning of the year? C'mon, Quinn. And c'mon, Homeland writers.

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AIRED ON 12/20/2015

Season 5 : Episode 12

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It's really dragging on now.
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I'm holding on to the belief that there is some method to the writer's madness. They're moving these characters in directions that makes their actions later in the season more believable.

Saul needs to become the authoritative guy, so he can stand in front of the senate committee and save Carrie.

Dana needs to become batshit crazy. She's eventually going to see her dad again, and the further off the scale she becomes the more she is going to connect with Brody.

Carrie - she needs to have something to come back from. She needs redemption. They're just giving her a verrry tall mountain to climb.
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I'm not enjoying this season as much as I want to. It's struggling without Brody which makes me reflect on how we criticised the show for dragging out Brody's stories. Is there even a way this show can be excellent without Brody around? Surely there is but Season 3 ain't it so far.
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Nice review on another site - nope, no link - in which most are disgusted with batshit crazy Carrie and uber annoying getthehelloutoftheshow Dana. They want, and I quote:

a show about spooks doing spooky shit

A nice line, and sooooooooooooo true. Others are worried about the Dexter writers being hired, and bringing the show down even further. Here's hoping Chip, who's probably responsible for the crap season so far, doesn't bring on his unemployed (and they should stay that way) bro's.

But my favorite line, and I quote:

I wish Dana had been successful in the bathroom.


Most are ready to give up on the show if it doesn't get better soon. Please read on the other site, writers and hack showrunner Chip, and get your acts together. Thanks.
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I really cant help myself I find crazy Carrie Matheson disgusting and I almost get ill watching the parts with her.
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These 2 episodes were soooo booooring....I hope it will be much better. And it would be better to reduce the part of Dana, because it is the same as '24' with Kiefer Sutherland,without his daughter it would have been '12' because the half of the episode was about her. Booooring.....
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I haven't caught up with season 3, and right now I'm not sure I will, since I'm really not liking what they seem to be doing with Saul. In a show full of messed-up and twisted people, he always seemed to be kinda the moral compass, the most likable one. And now, they're turning him into the new Estes ? Does "huge douche" come with the job description ? I know, I know, flawed characters are more interesting to watch, but did they need to do a complete character assassination ? Sure, he's got a lot of pressure on his shoulders, and we already know he can be a jerk under pressure ( in the season 1 finale, I briefly thought he was a part of the conspiracy when he had Carrie escorted away like a nutjob ), but he really should make amends for this, and I hope he will.
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Lccf, NO one understands what the writers are doing to Saul at this moment in time.

If they don't get their heads out of their ***** soon, they will lose viewers. No one is vested enough in Homeland to put up with the **** viewers put up with in Dexter.

I hope they read here, and a. kill off the Dana actor, b. return Saul to his original characterization, and c. get Carrie out of the booby hatch.

Because unless he's a mole and an enemy agent, I'm not buying his new persona.

Got that, writers? Good.
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I'm wondering if he's not the mole. Expect his personality to revert back to what it was before. Agree it's obvious fans are getting tired of all the Dana screen time. No where near the level of Dexter but as you know Dexter started out as a great show and started tanking S5. Show runner, S5? Chip Johannsen (I believe is his last name)..Show runner for Homeland...Yep, good ole Chip. Don't know if he was show runner first 2 seasons or not to be honest.
In any case, way Homeland is structured, especially with Brody as a main, don't see this show going more than 4 seasons. Don't think it should unless it wants to "Pull a Dexter"..
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You know what I just realized.. I bet anything on the fact that the mole will be SAULS wife.. Yep she is somehow working with the enemy... C'mon she left for a season and came back.. I remember seeing and thinking that somehow she was gonna be an enemy in S2 and then she left... I really believe this??? Who's with me?
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Noooooooooo - Homeland is being infected by Dexter?

Judas Priest, that explains everything? Didn't Showtime learn ANYthing?

Yes, one or more of the main characters will be 'lumberjacking' any day now.

Good grief.
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Very true. Doesn't Chip realize that this is not what we want? This isn't a show about the troubles of the mentally unstable women Dana & Carrie, and the betrayal of their family and friends. It's about impending and scary terrorist threats by Brody and his former friends, and the clever ways the CIA disrupt them, by crazy/brillliant Carrie, tough-guy Quinn and see-through-the fingers Saul.

Seriously, don't they screen these episodes first, having somebody say "Meh... a little boring now, Chip, maybe you should bring Brody back soon...")

(Oh, and btw, Chip's last name is Johannessen. Same as mine, coincidentally...)
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I think Saul feels bad about what's happening to Carrie. I mean....not bad enough to stop it or prevent it from happening, but he knows it's wrong. It seems like he still has a conscience and I think that will keep his character grounded. So I wouldn't peg him as a villain just yet, I'd just say he's being a giant ass at the moment.
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I hated Saul so much in this episode that I screamed at my computer at 1 a.m. And not so polite as Carrie. Okay, Carrie is talking to a reporter about things she shouldn't be talking about? Do something about her AT WORK. No one should be committed into a mental institution because they know too much and are telling the truth. Saul is a JERK. He is ruining Carrie's life to save the CIA and his own a... I know Carrie has a mental problem and she should be on her meds, but Saul isn't thinking about her at all. The CIA simply doesn’t want to admit that they screwed up with Brody (or they think they screwed up, I don't think it was Brody) so they're blaming on Carrie. And now I sound like her...

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Do something about her AT WORK.

Good point, LauraGomes. Very good point. Which is what makes it so unbelievable. A ploy to keep the episodes going until Lewis comes back? See the previews, you'll note that there's a Tom Cruise aspect to Saul's action.

I'm hoping this show goes back to being more cerebral and that Dana runs off with Zach to the Pacific Northwest and they both become lumberjacks.


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Let it go, man. They ruined Dexter. Don't let them ruin you.
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The previews on Showtime look good, have you seen them? Not a single sighting of the non-actor Dana and a nice spoiler, if it isn't bogus.

Mayhaps the PTB read here? JK, I know it's already in the can.
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Yoo hoo, tnetennba ------------- what say you to all the other very intelligent Dana haters who have been posting for the past few hours?

Eh, what's that you say?

I can't hear you.

Yeah, thought so.

Tick.

Tock.
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Well, Carrie is interesting again now, at least. In season 2 she was way too pulled together, and it ruined my favorite thing about the show in season one. I don't like what they are doing to the Saul/Carrie relationship, because that kind of sewers her from the potential CIA action, and they are great when they work together.

I liked the Dana stuff this week too, probably because I know people that have gone through similar things. (Minus the terrorist dad thing.) I don't get why people dislike her so much, yeah, nothing that happened in season 2 with her made sense, but I consider season 3 a fresh start for her character. Plus, it's a nice way to get the point of view of someone related to the terrorist that did it, as well as not always having the focus on the incompetent and awful CIA.

The show still needs a good, more personal threat, Brody was a great little personal project for Carrie in season 1, and I'm hoping for something similar (NOT Brody) now, even if I doubt we'll be getting anything other than Body...
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I hope everyone on the show knows that Homeland would be dead by now if it were not for Claire Danes' performance.
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Even if it later turns out to be important, there was just far too much of the Brody bunch in this episode and that more than offsets any good from the other storylines just like it always has done.
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OMG this show is now dead for me... :P its become really boring. And i hate the Islamophobia on the show!! Democracy my ass.
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The show is not islamophobic, quite the opposite. Saul's overly harsh statement and Fara's excelently timed tears surely made some viewers rethink about their own standing point.

Don't judge a book by it's cover.

And on top of that, Democracy doesn't equal Islamophobia, don't know where you got this absurd idea from.
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Let me explain... Just the whole show from the premiere to the last episode, everything is about how strange and dangerous muslims are. If one says he's muslim... then OMG!! and brody praying was so unbeliveble filmed that everbody has to get the expression that thats the WORST thing one can do... And the democracy part: if this would be a series about dangerous Jews or Christans that would be a SCANDAL!! Here in Eurpoe nobody watches this show, and every religion is respected!
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Agree, that scene was meant to make you look deeper within....oh and also he is playing the roll of Major Douche-bag right not.
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Great review! I am with you that Saul is not a complete jerk but he IS the head of the CIA and Carrie talking to a journalist telling the 'truth' is not what anybody needs right now (except maybe Carrie). However I do like that Quinn stood up to Saul and went out of his way to help Carrie. Quinn is the best right? Esp when he threatened the evil banker. Way to deal with your child killing guilt. Was that reverse psychology?

The only way I see the Dana drama to be relevant is that it somehow plays a part in Brody's return as in, she goes off the rails, press catches it and Brody reads it on Facebook and decides to come back/get in touch because he can't stand his daughter believing he is a monster. It would not be totally implausible considering the Dana-Brody vest plot from season 1. But as I said before my preference is for the whole Brody gang to go into Witness protection and off the show. Brody looks like dead man walking this season anyway.
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"And the tough part wasn't watching Saul betray her, it was watching Carrie inadvertently prove–through kicking and screaming tantrums and crazy talk–that gathering her up and hiding her away was necessary."

Maybe I'm giving her semi-disconnected, bi-polar brain too much credit...but after having her dad and sister side with Saul, I thought Carrie losing it at the hearing was intentional on her part. No longer able to trust the closest people in her life, she made a conscious decision to isolate herself...which included going so far as to get herself tranquilized by refusing to take her meds. Maybe I'm kidding myself, but I think a vegetative state in front of the TV is exactly where she "wants" to be...because nobody else can turn their backs on her. Consider it a long hard bender with pharmaceutical narcotics instead of booze.

"I don't think I can stand to see Saul as a villain."

It's a setup. It looks like a setup. It smells like a setup. My brain knows it's a setup...but I'm still falling for it. There's a redemption story arc for Saul in the future that will put this all in context and "make everything better", but right now, he's a bastard! Between his handling of Carrie and treatment of Fara, "Fuck you, Saul!" indeed. I know I'm being manipulated by the writers, but it's like Cliff Huxtable abusing his children, I'm incapable of processing that sort of character shift other than to just go with it.

#TeamPeter...dude, you're awesome!
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I love PETER!! I want to see way more of him.
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I didn't get that feeling, but it would be awesome if you are right and it is her way of taking some control sounds great.
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I really hope Saul is up to something, I know he is in survival/shock mode but jjjeeezzz he is being a dirt-bag it better be an act! Also please cut Brody's family drama by like 50% I like them but not that much;o)
All that said it is looking good...hope it picks up speed soon.
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hope it picks up speed soon.

Very soon. The show is moving at the speed of Kim Kardashian's thought processes.
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This could've done with a proof read. "heart of her brain" lol just kidding, who am I to nit pick.

Even though torturing Carrie makes for some great acting, I really hope it comes to an end in the next episode. It's definitely compelling but I don't want to wait all week on the edge of my seat just for Carrie to be tortured a bit more. Feels like i'm being tortured.

"Well, considering I'm chained to a gurney in a hospital gown, I'd say I'm beyond calm. I'm fucking zen!" - so good!
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For gods sake, write Dana off to college or something. She is a terrible actress, and NOT interesting at all without Nick Brody there in the mix.
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I'm sorry, but the Dana storyline is just plain BORING. It is taking WAAAAAAY too much time from Carrie VS Saul. This show is losing me fast. If not for Mandy's incredible SAUL performances I would switch the channel. This season has none of the magic of the seasons before it. Yeah I get it Claire can play crazy, She's got the emmy for that already, time to raise the bar on the show.
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After re-watching - why wouldn't the reporter, a la Woodward and Bernstein, have dug deeper into what Carrie told her? Don't reporters have a 'nose for news'? Wouldn't her 'instinct' have told her she was on to the biggest story of the year?
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I think the main reason is that Carrie does seem a bit crazy rather than a reliable source, because she appears there all frantic, she is suffers from mental illness and has, allegedly, slept with the main suspect, Brody. Another factor is that Homeland is set in a sort of post-9/11 mindset ie people, including journalists, are traumatised and shocked but a terrorist attack and they are not necessarily keen to follow up on theories that sound very much like a conspiracy. Also, not every journalist is Woodward & Bernstein. It takes a huge amount of bravery to be a truly investigative journalist.
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Good answer.

Thanks.
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I am so over the Brody family storyline. It is not a good sign, that every time the show switches to the Brodys, I pick up my iphone and start to check e-mails.
I really hope the writers have some brilliant plan of how the Dana storyline fits into the terrorism plot, but honestly I fear that now the teen have had sex, all they do is go the teen pregnancy route that far too many series do.
Why they insist on fitting family drama with suspense, I'll never know, but it's wrong.
I get Saul is stressed, and I think his treatment of Farah was an attempt of showing that, but it felt really short and made me think the writers are going the "the muslim is in on it" way, which I truly hope they don't. I liked Farah as a character, this new to the agency innerworkings, but really good analyst in her own aspect works for me.
All in all the episode was a hit and miss for me. Everything Brody family was miss and I saw perhaps 10% of it because I started doing something else everytime it came up, but I love the CIA/Saul/Carrie plot.
And can I say: Quinn is badass. That threat to the banker was awesome, give me more of him please.
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True, canine. The actors are just boring, every one of them. The only spark they had with the Brodys was Damian Lewis. Now that they're on their own, it's like watching Modern Family, without the decent acting. Boring, boring, boring. And once Dana is wearing long sleeves again? Hoo boy.

And yes, Quinn has turned out to be a highlight of the show. He and the other main actors crackle when they're on screen. When the story turns to The Boring Brodys, it's like watching grass grow. Except that the grass is more exciting.
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Dana Brody, your new Dexter...LOL
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Sauls awful treatment of Farah was not like Saul, I agree with that. However, it was exactly what one would expect from a flag-waving CIA boss. Americans love pointing the finger and this was a great close-to-real-life example of it.
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I think the looks Farah was getting when she arrived to the building and then Saul's comment are meant to show how even-handed liberal people like Saul go a bit nuts & intolerant when suffering from the trauma of massive life loss. I do not think this would be an American phenomenon only at all and there is a natural phenomenon in wanting justice after such a terrible tragedy, wherever this would happen.

I thought that whole scene was well done in that it was obvious (to me at least) that Saul hated himself as soon as he said it but still his way to cope with this all is to try and find out who's behind the attack. He said as much to Quinn. Now the problem is does the end justify the means? I think this is what Homeland will explore this season.
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Wonderfully worded. A very good point indeed. I really hope that's the direction the show takes. I would love to watch the exploration of the grey side of the story. I think Homeland is at its best when it focuses on the more globally identifiable subjects and of course the characters.
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Wow, so much Dana hatred in the comments. I think there is a reason why we're seeing this storyline and I also think Saul is up to something
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I didn't realize there was so much hate either until I found out online earlier... I believe she's a GREAT actress... What's with all the hate..
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Yes, you're probably right, but even is there is a reason, the storyline should still be interesting and that's not the case. Expectations are very low at this point.
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#1 KILL DANA OFF NOW! Dana = Carl from Walking dead.
#2 FFS we have already seen Carrie in a mental hospital, Homeland is just re-using stories, it feels like deja-vu. Nothing new here, just re-using stories at this point.
#3 The terrorist plot is terribly uninteresting this season. There's no personal connection, since Brodie and Carrie have been side-lined. I really don't care about bankers funding terrorists.
#4 If something drastic doesn't change this season, I'm done. I struggled to get through this episode. It went from crazy Carrie (seen 100X over) to Dana. Do writers enjoy torturing viewers with annoying characters? Sadists...
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Do writers enjoy torturing viewers with annoying characters?

Hell, the idiot writers did it with Dexter for years and years. I stuck with it because I, and many others, THOUGHT it was going to turn around. It didn't, it lumberjacked.

You're right, I'm out if Dana and Zach become a major characters.


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"Zach" is actually "Leo" on this show. Who knows maybe he'll take Dana with him and they can become serial killers up in Lumberjack land..LOL
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Uh...we actually like carl. Find your own character to kill.
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I agree with you completely! Why so much DANA?? The writers could have shown what Brody was up to instead of the stupid Dana storyline..Saul's insult of Farah about the head scarf was kinda racist..never expected that kind of behaviour from him.
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Really, no mention of the smoking hot new analyst, Farah? Let Carrie go retire in the asylum if that's the kind of replacements they have lined up for her! (I kid, the show wouldn't be the same without her unique manic episodes.)
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she is so gorgeous. Fara...
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Phenomenal last moments. So, how does she get back from FU Saul?
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Saul is seriously going for "biggest dick on TV" at the moment... holy crap in one episode he went from "okay bloke with problems" to "omg someone punch him".
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I'm sorry for what I'm about to say and I'm sure you'll hate me for this but I really really can't stand Claire Danes' acting. She tries so fricking hard to look like a loonie that she is soooo over the top. And still her acting resources are always the same: puffing, puffing and puffing.
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Hear hear, I disliked her from season one! and the loony toon thing revolts me.
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I actually think she's spot on. Not everyone loses their marbles the same way but I've seen a couple women having acute psychotic episodes and Claire Danes gives dead on crazy face. Seriously dude.
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I agree, it was hard to watch and getting tiring when the show already in 3rd season.

"Everybody knows you never go full retard." - Kirk Lazarus (Tropic Thunder)
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Wow, Saul really became an asshole really fast. I know he's on survival mode and Carrie's reaction certainly didn't help matters, but everything he did so far was extremely cunty. Thank God for Quinn!
Plus, wearing a hijab is now an insult to victims of terrorism? THAT'S NOT MY SAUL! #TeamFarah!
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A thought - isn't she a full time employee (not even sure that would make a difference)? Couldn't she sue for discrimination?
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İ agree, as things he has done in 2 episodes werent enough, what he did to farah was bs, yea shes a muslim and also happens to be a CIA agent, dumbass, probably not the only one...a head of CIA implying the terrorism has something to do with a religion was utterly ridiculous; terrorists dont have religion, just excuse to kill the innocent to and a mask they use to trick others that they are not sociopaths....
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Saul response to Farah was totally out of character really. I understand if the writer want us viewers to hate him, but it was a badly done.
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I think what disturbs me more is that in the past he has always had a unique sort of empathy for the terrorists. Not that he supports them, but has a unique way to understand them and their motivations sort of like a very good profiler. So much of that seems to have been lost now.
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I my opinion, the person that plays Chris is the best actor in the show. Two times he told his mother that it was okay that Dana acted like she did, "It´s okay mom, or something". He did it with passion. He was brilliant. I think this is only the beginning of a great storyline for Chris. Hopefully the writers plan to let him cook dinner for the family in the future. Perhaps it is even an important dinner for Dana´s storyline.
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Really? Okay.
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zoom!
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Not sure what 'zoom' is, but if that was sarcasm on the part of reklameguru, it fell flat. I surely hope it was sarcasm.
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I'm inclined to write off Saul's behavior as protecting Carrie somehow, and to ward off the mole. However, the "mole" storyline would need some real revamping because the number of suspects has significantly dwindled with the explosive end to season 2. There aren't many "mole" possibilities remaining in the CIA, and the ones that remain would pretty much be from the tight-knit, off-books, Brody cover-up crew. I've decided that Saul and Quinn can't be the mole, it would be too obvious for it to be Saul at this point and it would be something that the fans would hate so much so that I don't think the writers would dare it, they'd be damning the show to a quick series finale. I hope the writers know what they're doing and haven't let all the Emmys won go to their heads.
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Sauls wife!!!!
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I was thinking that, and they could definitely go that route ... they just don't show the audience Saul confiding CIA tactics and secrets to her outside of Carrie-related drama. She was MIA for a while when she went back home because all Saul does is work, which could lend to the mole theory or against it I suppose. She tends to show up at conspicuous moments I'll give you that!
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Ok, last season Quinn grew on me, slowly, but this season I LOVE QUINN. That was freakin' AWESOME how he flat out told Saul it was fucked the way Carrie was being treated and that his protest could be lodged in the form of "I'm outta here at the earliest convenience, buddy". Loved it! He even hung in after Carrie flipped her shit on him, was standing in her corner at that BS hearing, he is a really good guy. When Carrie sorts all this out in her head I hope she can see what a friend and support she has in him. I so wanted him to say, "I'm leaving and taking Carrie with me," and the show turns into a clash between the CIA and the private intelligence contractor they go to work for. Suck it, Saul.

So I don't know about anyone else but I boo-hoo cried through most of Carrie's "psych-hold" scenes and the hearing. When she began ranting about the CIA and a cover-up my heart just broke, because psych patients spout that sort of paranoia with laughable frequency, and in her case, it's the freakin' truth. I felt so terrible for her and I could just imagine how the crushing blow of Saul's betrayal agitated her to the point that she could not comport herself adequately in that hearing. I'm really disappointed in Saul and he continues to let Carrie down, from the start of S01 he has not supported her, not believed in her, and has sold her out again and again, and he has been wrong every time.

I just don't understand why Carrie wasn't moved to a facility to be treated by her own doctors rather than staying at that place with the CIA shill. Something is fishy there. Even if Saul swayed her sister, the woman is a doctor and would want Carrie to get better faster, right? Logic says that would happen some place where Carrie feels secure, where she trusts the docs and staff to treat her, so I'm having a not good feeling about this.

I'm pretty ambivalent about the Dana/Brody family storyline, though I agree with Tim that Chris is the scary Brody at the moment. I'm sort of hoping that Dana and Carrie will meet up and that Carrie can tell her that her dad is innocent, because Dana must be feeling terribly conflicted. And by the way, that was child's pose (Balasana) Dana was doing on the prayer mat, not downward dog (Adho Mukha Svanasana).
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I LOVE QUINN TOO..
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Good post. Just wish I didn't have to look away when the horrid Dana actor was on screen. It is an otherwise awesome show, whatever they're doing with it, and I would love to know whose nubile young girlfriend the Dana actor is, because she sucks.
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The actress is fine. It's the character that's annoying. Its called acting. Learn to separate your emotions.
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No, her acting is not fine. She's not attempting to make her character annoying, SHE is annoying.

Learn to recognize shitty acting when you see it. She sucks.
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Worse actor:

Dana or Harrison?
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Thanks. If you think Dana Brody is a trifling bitch then you should see the hot mess character that inspired her, Dana Klein, the daughter in Gideon Raff's Hatufim (Prisoners of War), the Israeli series Homeland was adapted from. All 3 series are viewable for free at Hulu in the USA presently. After seeing the Israeli girl, Dana Brody seems pretty average American teenager.
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Thanks, that might be worth watching. So the daughter in the original is worse? Wow.
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I knew that you would find some other place to post absurdly incorrect statements now that Dexter is over. Dana is a good, sometimes great character, and the actress is doing a great job. If you meant what you said, this show is too good for you, and you should stick to Under the dome.
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Awwwwww, poor baby, trying to tell people where and what to post?

Wrong, the Dana actor sucks. Unless this is an attempt on your part at sarcasm - if it is, you failed.

Good? Great?

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You be so funny.

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By the way, nettennboy, how is it you didn't bother to counter emmiegirl?

Yeah, thought so.
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Here's a challenge: find one Homeland fan who tunes in to see what happens to Dana's character. That right there shows you that she's neither a good character nor played by a great actress.
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Excellent point. She's a bad actor.
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Logic fail.
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Despite everything said here, I really have hope. For now, I just think Saul has something big planned, and that Peter will be more important this season (and I like his character). I am a fan and I'll try to think positive.
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I am more and more inclined to think this way too. The more I think about it, the more signs I see. There is something else going on and Saul have some plan for Carrie.
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I've been thinking that maybe it's part of a plan to lure Brody out of hiding, but I don't see how it can be. Maybe it's part of a plan to get Carrie into some weird undercover stuff, but I don't see how that's possible either. I guess we'll find out. I find it hard to believe that Saul has become that much of an asshole in the two months since the bombing. (But then the show has lost at least two writers, so you never know...)
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Exactly ! I can't believe that about Saul either !
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What's up with that anti-head scarf hate, Saul? Since when Saul became anti-arab (or more accurately, anti-muslim) prick? Homeland, enough with that anti-arab crap. Enough cheesy damaging stereotypes (like main big bad arab terrorist in 1 and 2 season). At times this show is so pro-israel, my eyes itch.
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Better call Saul!

(makes no sense, but I couldn't resist ;)
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Yep - that is a good one... Every time I think how much I like Quinn in Homeland I get a shiver remembering the terrible Dexter Quinn and his terrible shirts (double shiver)
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I am posting something I read in The Guardian (English Newspaper with credibility) with which I completely agree:
"My fear is that Homeland may turn out to have been a perfect one-season drama that carried on because of a commercial rather than artistic imperative."
HOMELAND could have been one of the best Miniseries ever. The show should have ended in season 1 with Brody blowing himself up.
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It's true the Brits do do well in making quality dramas because they know WHEN to END them! Breaking Bad goes down as an all-time great because they did the same thing, other shows, (cough Dexter cough) milk it and ruin their whole story.
Personally I enjoyed S2 for the most part (couple ridiculous storylines aside) but not enjoying S3 much. Yeah it's table setting and there are definitely good possibilities but how long can this story line run? 3 seasons? 4 tops? It's a shame that so many American productions are all about the $$$ not the artistic quality
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Brody blown up at the end of Season 1 would have been a hell of an ending but I still think the ending of Season 2 with Brody blamed for the bomb he did NOT actually plant but with the damning video going on air, was pretty fantastic. I think Brody will die this season but with what we have seen in the two first eps of this season, I think the show can survive that, esp. with Quinn becoming a more central character to the story now.
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Ugh, I hope they're not right. The Brits do know how to make shows better than the Americans. Look at Luther - who in the HELL expected Ripley to die? Okay, so Elba wanted to move on to the Luther movie, but why kill Ripley? And that's all she wrote, we got three seasons on BBCA, where I had to put up with blackhead commercials, and now it's over. Same with Broadchurch, the season was fantastic, only they have written themselves into a corner and now have gotten renewed, so it probably will stink in season two.

Homeland SHOULD have killed Brody off, but the execs at Showtime realized Lewis was box office boffo and money talks, nobody walks.

As somebody here said, let's hope this excellent (not so much right now thanks to the shit Dana actor) show doesn't go the way of the craptastic Dexter.
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Had they killed lewis what would be the point for season 2?
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That's just it, there shouldn't have been one. They should have thought it forward better. You know, like the Dexter writers should have, but didn't.

Some shows just don't have a long shelf life. I hope this isn't one of them.
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If I ever see Luther, I hope to have forgotten who Ripley is.
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How many years are spoilers in effect?
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That you say "The Brits do know how to make shows better than the Americans" just shows how little you know about British shows (nothing). Many american shows are remakes of shows previously made (better, much better) in England. The Office, Sherlock, so many others. And by the way, Homeland is a remake of an Israeli production about an israeli soldier coming back after being captive in Lebanon for 17 years. It is called Prisoners of War and it had been a success in many countries. So, yes, many american shows are good, because they are clever to copy from others.
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Umm.. sounds like you're validating the point he just made. That British shows are done better, because a lot of those American remakes are NOT as good as the British originals. Yeah we know this show is an Israeli remake.. The thing the Brits have going for them is a keen sense on when to wrap up a series. Most US series drag on and compromise the overall quality to milk the ratings.
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Watch Orphan Black before it is made into a remake in American style.
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Yes, the American Cracker was so very good, and Broadchurch with Tennant faking an American accent will be so very good.
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I can't make sense of this series anymore :(
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I don't think we're supposed to make sense of it at this point. There's something going on that we don't have enough information about yet. It may or may not have been a bad idea to plan the season that way, but it's too early to start complaining about it now.
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it's too early to start complaining about it now.

It is? Oh darn.
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I am a big fan of Homeland season 1. Its up there with the likes of Breaking Bad and Empire Boardwalk. Season 2 has its problems but I still like it very much. Now we are 2 hours into season 3 and I am really disappointed. If this were another show perhaps I would not be so critical. The show set such a high bar with the last 2 seasons.

The best scene tonight was Quinn threatening the banker. That says a lot about a show that is all about tensions. It seems the writers have no cards left to play.

I really hope I am wrong and this is all a built up to something impressive because so far, it has been terrible. I think Tim is also a big fan and he tries his best to write a review to point out the positive. However really, for show that was awesome even much of last season, these 2 episodes are better left forgotten. I just hope for all our sakes homeland is not gone forever !

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You know, I saw this same kind of cockeyed optimism on the Dexter boards. No one could BELIEVE that the stupidity of the ENTIRE season and our doggedness in sticking with the shit that was the final season of Dexter wasn't going to be rewarded in the finale.

It wasn't, the finale blew goats.

I hope I'm wrong too - I really expect the show to get moving, it just has to. First thing it has to do, is blow off the Dana actor, she blows goats too.
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Wow, I'm sorry but I just have to jump in. You're bashing one show, spoiling another and hating a character in the third. I usually don't have a problem with honest comments but yours have no merit and are filled with small-minded insults. I am sure that this isn't the first time you're hearing this but really, unless you have something constructive to say maybe don't say anything at all.
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@geoffmaze Thanks. I'll definitely watch it at some point because I know that it "used to be good" according to many now disappointed fans.
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Spoiling Dexter???? Consider yourself fortunate you didn't see Dexter.

Oh, and the Dana actor really can't act.
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You're right. If you haven't seen Dexter and you're desperate to find out, watch Seasons, 1, 2, 4 and then Season 8. You won't miss a whole lot from S3,5,6,7 but you will see the glaring drop in quality and the obvious missed opportunity at the end of S4 to conclude the series. The last 4 seasons were milking it for cash
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I might want to watch it one day. I know that some fans were disappointed with the last season but people were disappointed with the Lost ending as well and I loved it. Anyway, not really the point. I was just trying to suggest that you consider others and maybe try not to be so negative and aggressive with your words. Morgan Saylor is a talented young actress and I think she's doing the best job that she can with the material she is given. Plus would a different actress really change your view on the Dana Brody character?
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Poor Carrie. Girl can't catch a break. But she does bring most of it on herself. She is trying to do the right thing but in this day and age, the right thing isn't always the right thing. Just the way of this shitty world.
Claire Danes is just awesome portraying this mentally broken government spook. She deserves every award she's gotten and then some.
Loved the scene with Quinn intimidating the banker guy. That was cool. Quinn is awesome. I really hope he will be an ally for Carrie.
SO SO SICK OF DANA!!! She is so annoying. They should have just let her bleed out in the tub. Her stupid story needs to be over. Leo needs to channel his inner Zach Hamilton and beat her to death... lol
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For me, this episode was better than most of Season 2.

And reading the comments, I am seeing so much hate for Dana right now.
But I want to commend the writers for this storytelling. If the writers skipped over how Brody's family was impacted by him being the most hated and wanted man alive, that would have been a big plot hole that everyone would be complaining about. The story needs and deserves to have this part unfold.

Now, Dana in Season 2 was annoying and you could have strapped a vest bomb on her for all I cared but this Dana we are seeing right now brings a level of humanity and reality to the show that directly juxtaposes insanity and inhumanity of the CIA's war on terror. If anything, Morena Baccarin's character as the mother has been dumbed down and little too much and I hope they find some balance with her.

And thank goodness someone finally put Carrie in the nut house where she belongs. I'm sure she will be out by episode 6 but I am looking forward to how they rebuild her character and reestablish her value.

Season 2 was disappointing but Season 3 is off to a good start so people need to be a little patient.
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I'm not certain Jessica Brody has been dumbed down so much as the woman has had her world destroyed in the most capricious, horrific and public way possible, and just when she thought it couldn't possibly get any worse, one of her children decides to end her own life. Focusing on Dana's suicide attempt only, many parents are profoundly effected by a child's self-harm acts, they begin to question everything, lose confidence in themselves, carry terrible guilt and anxiety, and drive themselves half mad wondering how they didn't see the signs. I think the incident within the episode that reflects Jess's state of mind was the stricken look on her face when she heard Dana running a bath; she's terrified of what it might mean and paralyzed by all the shit going round her head about what she should do, if she should do anything, and no matter what, pretty much anything she does is going to be wrong. It is a total nightmare, and she's doing the best she can, bless her.
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Well stated and to some extent I agree but one of the most memorable lines from Jessica was, "You can't even fuck your wife!"
This said to a POW who spent 8 years in captivity and torture.

So, in that sense to me the character is unbalanced. They made her of pretty strong stuff in the first two seasons but now she's just running around shell-shocked and naive.
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Couldn't agree less with your arguments about Dana and how most viewers would be mad if they didn't show the effects of her fathers deeds on her. If you want to see shows about angst ridden teenagers they have a whole network called the CW you can watch, Homeland shouldn't be about a whiny, pouty teenagers hurt feelings. It is definitely not what made the first season such a success. Get back to the ins and outs of what it takes to stop the many terror networks that still plague the world and the show will be much better again.
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Well said.
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With this issue, I imagine there is a line drawn in the sand with many people on either side. But I certainly am satisfied with the balanced storytelling approach.
They made such a mess of Brody's family in Season 2 that they perhaps feel the need to clean it up and get the storyline back on track. Just like Carrie will take a few episodes to achieve some balance, so too will the plot involving Brody's family. I sure the story will be all Jack Bauer-esqe by mid-season.
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Either this is some big fuck you to all over Carries' supposed state for her to rise from or it makes no sense at all. In that, If she's been a mental patient but has a workable intellect, then she's surely had first hand experience and read all those Psy101 books that tell you how to act to best get out asap - and let's face it she's got to for things to proceed with her. That is unless Brody's going to bust her out to form a Big Bad band of anti heroes!
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Good point. But can one act intellectually if they are (apparently?) unbalanced without medication? This has the potential to go on indefinitely - she is a crackerjack agent when not on her meds, and fogged up when she is.

So, she's being shut down and thrown under the bus because she IS right and Brody isn't behind the bombings and Saul suddenly is a blind prick ............... or .............. she does need help and will spend the rest of the season in a short paper gown?

I can't see what's coming, that's for sure.
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Yeah, unfortunately when one is sick, one is sick - you cannot fake not being bipolar, specially in the middle of a crisis. But now that she is on meds, maybe she can play that card after all.
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It feels like they've jumped the shark if all this was for her to just to get back on the meds and be a stellar operative. The fact she's been outed speaks to some big, big, big ass get-out-of-psych-jail-free-card needing to be played.
Her not controlling herself as to go to a journalist is beyond nuts. If you were her, you'd know such a move could have you disappear period. And not some redeemable psych ward where you get visitors and not instantly hit with elephant tranq's for life.
I mean, even at her worst she was formidable. No decent plot and my tv may be going dark. No wait, I realised only an ep or 2 more and I can do my glazing of eyes for her scenes in favour of the more round and realistic Brod'ster.
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But was she? Wasn't she off her meds when she was a stellar operative in season one?

I mean, even at her worst she was formidable. No decent plot and my tv may be going dark.

Exactly.
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I really believe Saul is protecting Carrie for her own good. If memory serves there has always been this underlying belief there was a mole within the CIA, I suspect this season will push that story more, along with the hunt for Brody, Next season will see Brody redeemed somehow and mole found. Hopefully it will then end.
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There is that and then there is the hard reality that if she becomes too much of a nuisance, she could be deemed to be too much of a risk. That Dar Adul looks like a guy who would stop at nothing to protect the agency.

I do not think Brody will ever be redeemed after that video. He will die a traitor (which he was and only a small miracle avoided him blowing that vest in Season 1). Only a handful of people will know the truth, Carrie, Saul, perhaps one day Dana too.
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true, maybe all that secrecy is about that mole... I'm feeling better about this after episode 2 gave us some clues... Let's say that Homeland can take the risk of starting the season making us all upset about the pace, Saul, Dana, and everything else just because they know we are still going to be watching episode 2 and from there they can give us just some little pieces to follow the thread until it unfolds...
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NEXT season? I can't wait that long!
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First off, I trust the writers of this show to have a purpose for this much of the Brody family. Obviously when Brody comes back they will have an important role to play. And secondly, while I agree that it's not my favorite storyline on this show, they acted the hell out of those few scenes, especially Dana in the bathroom scene and then in the garage afterwards. Really powerful stuff for the people that don't dismiss it immediately when the Brodys come on screen.
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"Really powerful stuff for the people that don't dismiss it immediately when the Brodys come on screen"


If I wanted to see a story about a mother and daughter struggling to cope with tragedy and come together I'm sure there are a few lifetime movies that would satisfy the desire. I watch Homeland to see what season 1 was all about, that being what it takes to stop the myriad terrorists that threaten to strike even here on U.S. soil. Every time the Brody's come on screen it changes the whole tone of the show and drags it down.
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Even if the writers are preparing the family for the return of Brody and the role they will be playing, the story up to that moment must be good enough to keep us captivated (or at least interested). But it's done in a way that I'm not interested in their story.
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You make a good point, but on a show about terrorism and the CIA and sleeper agents, what could they possibly do to make you interested? They're in the tough situation of trying to keep a decent portion of the principal cast in a holding pattern while Brody is missing. I don't especially want to know about Dana's suicide attempt or her new boyfriend either, but she's done a great job in the role, and is doing the best with what's given. Same as Morena Baccarin. My point, I guess, is it's a lot better than most people give it credit for simply because they don't care about those type of issues on this type of program. If the same story was being told on a different show there might be a different opinion of it.
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As I'm not a writer, I don't know how they should do it. On the side where I have some experience, as a viewer, I know I'm not interested.

I probably wouldn't watch that other show also
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How so?
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Because it is, as written above, more teenage drama and I'm not interested in teenage drama in Homeland. They did it in series two with her also and I thought that was boring too. As long as it doesn't add to the overall story, they should make another series of it. And I would not watch that serie.
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Was Brody a dupe all along? Was his plot a diversion by the evil dudes to allow the CIA blast to happen?

Claire Danes is a remarkable actress. The fact that her authenticity as "manic" Carrie is making you uncomfortable bears witness to this.

Saul is not a prick! Something is up and I will keep watching to find out what it is.

Wow! Lots of Dana bashing. Why did she try to kill herself? I don't think it's because she thinks her dad is a psycho.

I believe there is a lot of subtext to this season's story. We are used to slam-bang hit us over the head from Homeland. I am very curious to see where the story arc is headed this year.
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Danes is amazing, you're right. So is Patinkin and I guess it's my own aversion to seeing him as a bad guy that wants me to believe that 'something is up'. I hope you're right!

I personally don't care about the character Dana. I find the actress to be talent-less.
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The Dana story was useless, except for that part in the garage. I'm not convinced that she fully believes Brody was a maniac, either.
I actually liked this episode a lot but it totally confused me. I can't wrap my head around Quinn. Last season he was this mysterious hitman who questioned every move Carrie made and now he's attending her hearing in the psych ward because he cares? I wonder where this strange, one-sided relationship is going. As for Saul.. I get that he has to prioritize now. He is under a lot of pressure to BE the CIA. I was never really sold on him being the good guy in Carrie's cruel world and I think it's showing now.
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Dana will be the key to her father's salvation and redemption. With all the emphasis on her it seems like the best move
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Wow, I did. I got an affection between Carrie and Saul. I never got a business relationship first with them. Yes, I understand it, but I'm caught off guard with him.

I can accept it, but I have a feeling the writers are yanking our collective chains. Dog, I hate that phrase. They're sending Carrie too far into crazy psycho land to have me believe she can bounce back and give Saul a great big hug if this was all a ploy.

And Dana? Seriously, writers, wtf? She can do two things: scrunch up her face, and diddle her fingers, a la Leonard Hofstadter. Both are disgusting, so please, I'm begging you, in the name of all that is holy, GIVE HER LESS AIR TIME.
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Don't get me wrong, I did get affection for sure. Carrie just makes him out to be her personal savior. She relies on him so much, too much, and freaks out everytime he can't/won't help her. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think Saul is being pressured into this parental role.
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I had to laugh at the irony when Dana said something along the lines of "How do my actions even compare to those of my dad's?" Well, they don't. And that's why we don't want to see you anymore Dana. Give us the true substance of Homeland. I second the comment below about scenes with Dana in them - I just skip ahead.
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I'm not sure if i can stand anymore of Dana. Every scene with her in it i just thought "who gives a fuck", her problems as teenage girl after she attempted a suicide... i don't watch homeland for that, the whole storyline with Dana in season 2 was allready so UNBELIEVABLY boring that i just started to fast forward every scene with her.
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well, sit and wait, because I think she is going to be a suicidal teenager AND pregnant soon :-D
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Hah...I wonder if the Emmys have a category for Most Fast Forwarded Actress In A Drama?
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