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    JLU51306

    [1]Feb 24, 2007
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    in my opinion I think JLU is better because of the original 7 heroes plus hundreds of more are fighting villians instead of just the original 7.
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    Martiangrl

    [2]Feb 24, 2007
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    I think that JLU had some better stories, such as "Epilogue", "The Man Who Had Everything", "Once and Future Thing" and the Cadmus arc. However, I don't think the additional superheroes improved it that significantly. IMO, it would have been better if they kept most of the storylines, but done with only the original 7 (6 in the earlier eps). The additional heroes could have popped up once in a while as guest shots, which would have made their appearance much more special and memorable. It's cooler seeing Green Arrow and others show, when you know they weren't part of the regular cast. Besides some episodes like "Greatest Story Never Told" and "Hawk and Dove" were unnecessary other than introducing characters that non-comicbook fans never heard of.

    Especially the last episode, when all superheroes had to take on Darkseid's forces. Wouldn't it have been 10 times more epic if you didn't know they were all waiting in the wings to be summoned? Those are just my thoughts.

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    Shayera-Hol

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    I like them both.
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    Unbreakable2312

    [4]Feb 24, 2007
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    I like them both, but I've got to give the nod the the original Justice League. The one thing I hated most about the transition was how they cut the show to a half hour. It never made sense to me why they did that. To me, the longer episodes made each adventure that much more epic. There was more time to develop the plot in each episode. Other than that, both are outstanding. I wish there were more like JL and JLU out there.
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    gamerboy190

    [5]Feb 24, 2007
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    Justice League. JLU turned it into a farce, allowing any ham-n-egger in, which killed the credilbility of most eps.
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    -Blackstar-

    [6]Feb 24, 2007
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    I agree. JLU had it's moments, but plain old Justice League was simply superior, IMHO. Every episode didn't have to be told in 2-part installments, but with JL, the good episodes were great, and even the bad ones weren't a total disapointment.

    JLU, despite a few well told stories ("Kid Stuff", "For the Man Who Has Everything", "Destroyer"), the show smacked mostly of effort. I personally didn't have a problem with the shorter episodes. My main issue with JLU was the League's unecessary expansion to the JL Army. I mean, if everyone and anyone can get into the Justice League, what's so special about being a Justice Leaguer? The extra heroes didn't really add anything significant to the show other than the novelty of being introduced to non-comic book fans who would never have heard of them otherwise, and they seemed to exist mainly to sell more action figures. As if appearing on camera for 10-20 minutes would somehow justify these characters' presence in the form of overpriced plastic figurines on the toy store shelves. I can honestly say that I was not watching Justice League with my fingers crossed, longing for the TV debuts of B'wanna Beast and Shining Knight. Plus, the JL army ruined any sense of dramatic tension that show used to have. How much could you be worried about the Earth when you knew that there were hundreds of superheroes with multiple satelites orbiting the planet to protect it? The main thing that I liked about JLU was the Cadmus story arc. Bruce Timm and co.could have just made new epsidoes with the Super 7 and the occasional "Super Guest" and that would have suited me just fine.
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    [7]Feb 24, 2007
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    JL all the way for me. While JLU had some decent stories and arcs, overall I felt it was a letdown. I never thought adding all of those other heroes to the cast was a good idea. Aside from completely destroying the intimate family feel that the JL Super 7 had, the League was always supposed to be the cream of the crop, but by adding all of those 2nd and 3rd string heroes to the mix, they made it seem like any Joe Blow with a costume and a gimmick could get into the League, which basically watered the whole franchise down, IMO. The statement "JLU was better becuase it had hundreds of heroes fighting bad guys and not just the original 7" is just confusing quantity with quality, IMO. More doesn't automatically mean better, or even as good. Sure, the original JL only had a small number of heroes, but they were mostly all Alpha Dogs who were extremely popular, contributed to the stories were and iconic with fans. How many people were honestly watching JL and thinking, "You know what this show really needs? The Creeper!"? Not many, I'm guessing. A superhero team could only consist of 3 members and still be cool, provided that they all kicked a significant amount of butt and were all engaging, well-thought out characters. I'd rather have a small group of Big Dogs than a vastly populated organization of benchwarmers any day. On top of that, it often came off like the new heroes were only added to sell merchandise; I mean, Starman got an action figure and he didn't utter a single line of dialogue in the entire series! What was the point of throwing in all of those other guys just to see them hovering around in the background for a few seconds every other episode? If the network just wanted more toys to sell, they could've just kept the Big 7 and snuck in the occasional guest hero. That would've pleased me a lot more than saturating the entire franchise and transforming the Justice League into a souped-up Police Academy.

    Plus, many of the JLU stories were too whimsical; a sense of humor along with the action is of course a good thing, but too many of the episodes played like bad sitcom plots, IMHO.
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    DoctorShade

    [8]Feb 25, 2007
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    I liked JL better, I think they just should of had other heroes guest star or have recurring roles, not revamp the whole show. I liked how the episodes of JL were all two part episodes, which really meant one hour episodes. in JLU they try to fit all those characters into only one half hour.
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    sylent_asassin

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    I could have sworn that I posted on this topic at least 4 times before, but... JL was better. The stories seemed to be more substanative, thought out and well-written. The only thing that was good about JLU was the Cadmus Arc, Alive and Destroyer. Regarding the army of heroes, half of them didn't even belong in the Justice League. What has unproven heroes like the Question, Buster Gold, the Crapper, err the Creeper ever done to deserve to be among the World's elite fighting force? As we've all said a multitude of times, all they served was a cheap marketing ploy to sell action figures. In addition, I've said in numerous other threads, that they let anyone into the league with a clever name, costume and a gimmick. At that rate, Hulk Hogan, Speedy Gonzalez and the Power Rangers could have all been initiated. JLU was severely watered down in my opinion.
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    RHam_01

    [10]Mar 2, 2007
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    I have to say that I liked JL better too. The Original seven were coolest and the episodes were longer and had more substance. The JLU got in so many characters that it lost that special touch. But I did like the Cadmus arc and a couple of other episodes were very well done too.
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    Hyou_Gattai

    [11]Mar 6, 2007
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    JLU, they had better plots and better arcs, also the introduction was better and the music
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    -Blackstar-

    [12]Mar 6, 2007
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    Hyou_Gattai wrote:
    JLU, they had better plots and better arcs, also the introduction was better and the music


    That's your opinion and you're certainly welcome to it, but my opinion is, Justice League owns JLU. Less characters + better plots + no ham 'n' egger heroes = Better show.

    Plus, JLU had "This Little Piggy", "Ancient History" and "Hawk & Dove"; easily the worst episodes of JL/JLU ever, IMO.
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    -Silverstar-

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    Hyou_Gattai wrote:
    JLU, they had better plots and better arcs, also the introduction was better and the music


    While I can and will concede that some of the JLU stories and arcs were very well-written, I could never put JLU over JL for the simple fact that IMHO, the expansion to the JL Army ruined the show for me. That was simply a pointless and unnecessary move which ultimately didn't add anything significant or worthwhile to the show. Total third-rate losers like B'Wana Beast, Vigilante, Shining Knight, Hawk, Dove, The Creeper and The Question had absolutely no business being numbered among the world's greatest heroes, IMO. On top of that, out of the 30+ heroes which were added to the JL roster, only about 5 of them actually contributed material to the show. If the idea was just to bring in some more characters so there'd be more action figures to sell, then they could have just brought in the odd guest hero once in a while instead of basically watering down the whole franchise and turning it into a farce.

    Also, for every stellar JLU story line, there were at least 2 or 3 silly and lame ones. The Legion arc could've been something good, but then they turn around and make Grodd's big plan turning everyone on Earth into apes? Come on, that's something I'd expect to see on Challenge of the Super Friends. And I didn't mind the reduction to 30 minute-episodes, but why did so many of the JLU stories have to be silly and sitcom-ish? (e.g., "This Little Piggy", "The Great Brian Robbery".)

    As for the intro and theme music, opinions differ on that. I could stand them both, so I don't have a preference there. Theme music and intros aren't enough for me to judge a show on; it's the content of the show itself and the stories. What's the point of attaching an awesome opening title sequence to a mediocre show? That's like tying shiny golden wrapping paper around a bag of dog droppings.
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    sylent_asassin

    [14]Mar 6, 2007
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    -Silverstar- wrote:
    What's the point of attaching an awesome opening title sequence to a mediocre show? That's like tying shiny golden wrapping paper around a bag of dog droppings.


    That sounds like something I would say.
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    princeszkathy

    [15]Mar 6, 2007
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    I Like them both but I'm leaning a little toward JLU becaue of the Great Story lines like it answers some questions that JL was'nt able 2 answer
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    -Silverstar-

    [16]Mar 6, 2007
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    princeszkathy wrote:
    I Like them both but I'm leaning a little toward JLU becaue of the Great Story lines like it answers some questions that JL was'nt able 2 answer


    Can you give us some examples?
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    Hyou_Gattai

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    -Silverstar- wrote:
    Grodd's big plan turning everyone on Earth into apes?, but why did so many of the JLU stories have to be silly and sitcom-ish? (e.g., "This Little Piggy", "The Great Brian Robbery".
    You'r right, lame arcs, not too well witten, etc...they are defenitly better arcs than these ones
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    Total third-rate losers like B'Wana Beast, Vigilante, Shining Knight, Hawk, Dove, The Creeper and The Question had absolutely no business being numbered among the world's greatest heroes, IMO. On top of that, out of the 30+ heroes which were added to the JL roster, only about 5 of them actually contributed material to the show.
    On that i can agree, the original 7 were the ones that stealed the spotlight always,
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    As for the intro and theme music, opinions differ on that, Theme music and intros aren't enough for me to judge a show on; it's the content of the show itself and the stories. What's the point of attaching an awesome opening title sequence to a mediocre show?
    it obviously gives more luxury to the show itself, its not a deciseve factor to judge a show obviously, but the show isnt mediocre...
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    -Silverstar-

    [18]Mar 7, 2007
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    I wasn't implying that JLU is/was mediocre (though I still think good ol' JL was light years better); I was speaking about shows in general.
    Edited on 03/07/2007 11:01am
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    Hyou_Gattai

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    -Silverstar- wrote:
    I wasn't implying that JLU is/was mediocre; I was speaking about shows in general.
    ok
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    -Blackstar-

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    Hyou_Gattai wrote:
    the original 7 were the ones that stealed the spotlight always,


    And this is a shock? Why shouldn't the coolest, most versatile members of the League get the bulk of the story lines and plots? Most of those "lesser" DC heroes weren't deep enough characters to carry a series. If there had been a demand for any of these heroess to be lead characters, they would have been given the oppurtunity to spotlight a long time ago. Is anyone out there longing to see an entire episode devoted to Gypsy or the Creeper? Was anybody sitting around saying "I really hope that they (the writers) give Vibe his own episode one day!"? Not me, friends.
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