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What Do You Think About KiGo?

Do You Like the Idea of KiGo?

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    beeftony

    [61]Jan 31, 2007
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    Some of the best KiGo writers are female. Allaine is my favorite among them. So no, this isn't a guy thread. Careful how you phrase comments like that. It borders on flaming. I already deleted one post, and I won't hesitate to do it again if things get out of hand. Please understand that I'm just trying to keep things civil.
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    coolchris44

    [62]Jan 31, 2007
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    i just can not imagine them working together they have been rivals for the length of the series.
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    beeftony

    [63]Jan 31, 2007
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    But that's exactly the argument the KiGo shippers use, only they believe that it is BECAUSE they have been rivals that they would work together. Kim and Shego are equals in every way. Kim and Ron are not. That's why some people are attracted to KiGo instead of K/R. I write and enjoy both, but you have to admit there's some truth to this argument. Kim and Shego keep each other locked in a constant struggle to better themselves. Besides Ron, Shego is the one constant factor in Kim's life. She's always there to challenge her, and Kim in her classic blue-foxiness hasn't resisted a challenge yet. Shego brings out the best of Kim's fighting abilities, and their fights are like a dance in which they feed naturally off each other. Each one has a passion for what they do, and KiGo shippers merely explore how this passion expresses itself in other ways. There is another activity besides fighting that combines aggression with cooperation, and it's called sex.

    I'm not saying that this argument is any more valid than some of the K/R arguments, but you can't just dismiss it so easily. Nothing in this world is black and white, especially in areas such as these. There are problems with both ships, but they each have a loyal fanbase despite it this fact. People support who they want to support, and you can't just make a sweeping statement and expect everyone to change. Learn to see the world in shades of gray. It will expand your mind.
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    MajehKing

    [64]Jan 31, 2007
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    It all depends on the story. Sure alot of people will read them (males) for the lesbian aspects on them. Still, they are the best characters in the series and no one kicks ass like they do. I just love readings stories about them period.
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    VladimirCrow

    [65]Jan 31, 2007
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    I have seen a bunch or comics about it and I think they work quite well. I mean, lighten up guys. Also, I just realized that indeed, most of the artist behind the fanart are female, odd...

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    beeftony

    [66]Jan 31, 2007
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    Perhaps the biggest KiGo supporter of all is Rina Cat. She's not the person who turned me on to it, but she could be considered the official spokesperson for SlashHaven, the number one KiGo site on the web. Just be warned, while the folks over there are generally good-natured, they take attacks on the ship personally, and they can bite back very hard. Very hard, I tell you.
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    WCReaf

    [67]Jan 31, 2007
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    coolchris44 wrote:
    I just can not imagine them working together they have been rivals for the length of the series.

    *sigh* "Go Team Go", "Dimension Twist", and the recently released video game for the PS2 "What's the Switch" all have Kim and Shego working together. Rather well in fact.

    Some people seem to forget that (apart from the OOCness of STD) Kim and Shego don't hate each other. They are, as you said, rivals and as such they have a common respect for one another. Despite her calms Shego isn't that evil, she just seems to enjoy the evil lifestyle, and that's what 'evil' is in KP, a lifestyle. The have magazines published for them, conventions, heck even a legitimate company supplying the henchmen.

    Anyway what was I going to say? Oh that's right.

    While I do agree with the things Beeftony has said I think (s)he's got some facts wrong, firstly Allaine's a guy, but the fanart and fics are an even spread between male and female it's so hard to tell how many there are. I'd say that the females have equal footing.

    The second point was that as much as I'd like Kigo to be 90% of the fanfiction I find that hard to believe. Kigo has a massive following and has one of the most organised femslash discussions around, but the K/R followers are bigger, they post more, and while Kigo may be growing it isn't, and never will be, a sizable threat to K/R. I don't even know why people view it as a threat, but they do.

    beeftony wrote:
    Just be warned, while the folks over there are generally good-natured, they take attacks on the ship personally, and they can bite back very hard. Very hard, I tell you.

    We don't bite much. We try to be very civil no matter what your opinion is. But when someone wants to stir up trouble we show them we are passionate about our views and why.

    It doesn't happen often, though. I like to think we keep to ourselves and just post things for everyone to enjoy. With suitable warning messages for Kigo and lesbian pairings so people who don't want to read it can leave it in peace. 

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    beeftony

    [68]Jan 31, 2007
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    Just to clear up your confusion about my gender, I'm a guy. A red-blooded, 18 year old American guy. I'll admit I initially got into the KiGo ship because a little friend below my belt told me it would be okay (his advice isn't always the best, but it worked out alright in this case), but soon the lust factor was gone and I was able to wrap my head about it and turn it into my best-received story so far. I haven't gotten a negative review yet.

    And I understand you Slash Haven folks are nice and all, I was just trying to discourage potential flamers from giving you guys trouble. It's all good.
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    WCReaf

    [69]Jan 31, 2007
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    I appreciate that.

    I think most people see femslash as you did before the "lust factor" left. It is (at least on ff.net) mostly as tame as any het fic with about the same chance as seeing sex in femslash fics.

    I really just want to rant and rant right now about how the general though of lesbians is just wrong and any mainstream film/TV series with them in doesn't immediately convert it to soft-core (am I allowed to say that? if now can you just *bleep* that word out instead of deleting the post?).

    Any who I'd like to thank you for starting this tread and being the one that keeps a level head around here.

    Edited on 01/31/2007 6:36pm
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    beeftony

    [70]Jan 31, 2007
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    You're allowed to say "porn." I haven't met a single child who didn't know what it means (sadly). I would like to thank you as well for keeping your arguments structured and rational. It's folks like you who make my day. The number of bashers has been waning lately, so it looks as though we may finally have a chance to discuss this properly. Mad props to all of you who have kept a level head.
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    PhilDiffy

    [71]Jan 31, 2007
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    In see the point you all are trying to make. However, there is a flaw. Though some of you expressed OOC in So the Drama, I would put them even more in character there than in the show. It would be difficult for the creators to write every episode with the intensity of STD. However, it could be that in fact, that is actually the bitterness/volatile way that Kim feels towards Shego, and vice-versa. It could be that they (the creators) lay off of that in the show, so it can appeal to the younger audience.
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    beeftony

    [72]Jan 31, 2007
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    But you have to remember that StD was marketed to the exact same people, seeing as it aired on DC first. Whether or not that was meant to foreshadow a slightly more mature fourth season remains to be seen.

    And I actually have to agree with you to the extent that they were in-character. Nobody expects Kim to realize her feelings for Ron and Shego in the same night. The first one took fourteen years, so naturally KiGo must be a gradual progression that allows Kim's character to change in certain regards while still remaining true to her essence. As long as she retains that essential "Kimness," then it's believable in my opinion. What is that "Kimness," you may ask? Simple: Kim is a very competetive person. I personally think that the desire to prove that she wasn't just some girl who needs protecting was a major contributing factor as to why she got into the hero game to begin with. Just look at her tagline: "I can do anything." Not only is this "braggy," as Ron calls it, it also sums up a major part of her character. Kim has the innate desire to prove that she's better than everybody else and Shego is the only one who can provide her with a true challenge.

    Like WCReaf said earlier in the thread, everyone in a KiGo story, hell, fanfiction in general will seem OOC unless you consider the fact that people change and grow. The characters on KP are anything but static, and I highly doubt that Kim will stay the same person that she was at the end of StD. She will grow, she will mature, she may end up staying with Ron or finding comfort in the arms of her old enemy but the point is that she will change in one way or another. As long as her essential "Kimness" is not disturbed, she will always be in-character. Even in KiGo fics.
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    Zokolov

    [73]Feb 1, 2007
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    English is not my primary language, and I'm not familiar with OOC? What does that stand for? What does that mean?

    Actually, beeftony, your fic "The Silence" is something that may have turned me into write just one Kigo fic. No more, because I'm not a big fan of those stories, but your story is different. To see what I'm talking about people, read it. And I'm glad somebody in this thread bothered to give reasons to their arguments.

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    beeftony

    [74]Feb 1, 2007
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    OOC means Out-of-Character. It's pretty much self-explanatory. And thanks. You've been pretty level-headed yourself.
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    Zokolov

    [75]Feb 1, 2007
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    OK, thank you for explaining.
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    WCReaf

    [76]Feb 1, 2007
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    I'm finding it hard to grasp how they (most of the cast, not just Kim and Ron) can be more in-character in STD than the show. Surely the show is where their character comes from?

    I don't actually like STD for a few reasons, the main one however is the way they used Shego. She's my favourite character and I hate seeing her degenerating to a henchwoman rather than her witty, sarcastic, "This plot couldn't possibly work" attitude, which brings her to life. They lost most of that by making Drakken have the common sense he lacks in the series to take over the world.

    I don't think that the characters in the show grow and change that much. Lets face it it's a kids cartoon show, the episodes are really connected to each other and there are more than a few continuity problems. Case in point: Ron is scared of monkeys; in "Monkey Ninjas in Space" he finds them less scary to the point that having a horde of Ninja Monkeys around him at BN doesn't bother at all. Later on in the series the phobia's back. Same thing with Bonnie, they humanised her in "Bonding" to the point where she and Kim can hangout together with getting on each others nerves but when she next appears (and season 4 no doubt) she's back to being the same old meany she was before. Character growth? What's that?

    It's a sad fact that some of the fanfiction can be better than the actual show.

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    beeftony

    [77]Feb 1, 2007
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    WCReaf wrote:
    It's a sad fact that some of the fanfiction can be better than the actual show.


    Ain't that the honest truth. I know some people who say that mine is, but I'm not so sure. I think it's because of the near unlimited freedom afforded to us since we don't have to go through any sort of an approval process to post it. We can just put it up there for the community to decide if they like it. Also, fanfiction doesn't have to deal with time or budget constraints, which the show obviously does. We are limited only by our imagination and our storytelling skills. I've seen stories that are over 400,000 words and I've seen stories that are only 400 words but they all draw inspiration from a truly amazing show. We have been able to expand on the characters in ways the writers of the show will probably never explore. KP is in the top 5 cartoon categories in terms of sheer volume of fics (Teen Titans is number one, but their ship wars do all but declare World War III. It sickens me. But that's a story for another day), and that is a testament to just how explorable and dynamic these characters are. I've yet to read a great majority of the fics, but the ones I've read and reviewed so far are brilliant pieces of art that I wish had made it on the show. The story I'm writing right now could technically be classified as a small novel, and I'm having a blast making it. I'm not even done with the second scene in the chapter I'm working on and already I've passed 3,000 words in that chapter. This sort of length is just not possible on the show, but I love what they do in the time they've got. So yeah, sometimes the fanfiction is better than the actual show, but it would not have been written if the show did not exist in the first place. We owe them that much.
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    Zokolov

    [78]Feb 2, 2007
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    I know my life would be different if I wouldn't have discovered this show...And I agree with you two. I've read several KP stories over at ff.net, and the thing that connects them that most of them are for a more mature audience than the show. Most of the fanfiction stories are darker and don't have the cartoonish atmosphere and humor. I think over 70% of the stories are Rated T or more...

    One of the few stories I have seen that has the same kind of atmosphere than the show, and that was Kim Possible meets Metal Gear, what was written by me, and rated only K+. And it's a pretty short and fast-paced story anyway, one of the reviewers said it felt like an episode of Kim Possible.

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    beeftony

    [79]Feb 2, 2007
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    The writer who writes closest to the show is MrDrP. While he and I are actually in disagreement about the subject of this thread (he's one of the more prominent K/R people), this does not change the fact that he's the master of keeping characters in-character. Reading his work is almost exactly like watching the show, and the way he expands on the characters while remaining true to their essence is truly amazing. Check him out, seriously.
    Edited on 02/02/2007 6:57am
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    Zokolov

    [80]Feb 2, 2007
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    I know, I have checked him out. I just kind of forgot him, I haven't seen him there at ff.net for a while...
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