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Do Goren and Eames ever fight?

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    Vessa289

    [1]Aug 30, 2006
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    Last night I was watching a bit of that episode with the cannibal that Goren feels sorry for, and it struck me how Goren and Eames never fight over a case. In this episode, Eames clearly thought the guy was evil and deserved the death penalty, but she didn't really say anything to Goren. She pursed her lips and let it be known that she wasn't happy, but no argument.

    I was just thinking that if it were, say, Benson and Stabler in this episode, and one of them sympathized with the cannibal and the other didn't, you would at least get raised voices.

    I can't think of an episode where they've actually had a real argument, in the whole five years. Maybe I've missed one, so I'd be interested if anyone could think of something. I just think it's an interesting dynamic to their relationship that they respect each others opinions so much (and Eames has a LOT of patience), that they've never really needed to have spats.
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    Miss_Box

    [2]Aug 30, 2006
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    There was one in season 4 or 5 [unsure which]in which Eames went to Deakin about Goren's detective style - that it is unusual and unconventional... and as she said "he's an accquired taste"

    Other than that, I can't recall any major arguments between them. Though her character is not very confrontational so it makes sense that she would go around a conflict not tackle it head on.
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    SVUgirl69

    [3]Aug 30, 2006
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    I saw one where Goren got too close to a suspect, and sorta fell for her ( say fell for her very lightly) and she was angry at him because he tried to help her get out of what was coming, but she never yelled at him or said anything.  And Nicole Wallace kinda gets between them but other than that they are great partners, and i thought that the acuired taste thing was brought up in season 5 but she had originally said it at the begining of their partnership.  Well I haven't actually seen that episode just heard a bunch about it and I am waiting for USA to actually play it.  But I don't actuclly remember them ever really fighting, or raising their voices at each other.
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    mariska143

    [4]Aug 30, 2006
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    Miss_Box wrote:
    There was one in season 4 or 5 [unsure which]in which Eames went to Deakin about Goren's detective style - that it is unusual and unconventional... and as she said "he's an accquired taste" Other than that, I can't recall any major arguments between them. Though her character is not very confrontational so it makes sense that she would go around a conflict not tackle it head on.

    That episode is "In the Wee Small Hours" from Season 5. There isn't an argument, because it is about something that happened five years ago.... intense ep. The lawyer that questioned her is the only other person on the show I ever wanted to hurt very, very badly other than Nicole. Bobby didn't argue with her, or even yell at her, but Eames was pretty embarrassed. I definitely wanted to hurt that lawyer.

    SVUgirl69 wrote:
    I saw one where Goren got too close to a suspect, and sorta fell for her ( say fell for her very lightly) and she was angry at him because he tried to help her get out of what was coming, but she never yelled at him or said anything.  And Nicole Wallace kinda gets between them but other than that they are great partners, and i thought that the acuired taste thing was brought up in season 5 but she had originally said it at the begining of their partnership.  Well I haven't actually seen that episode just heard a bunch about it and I am waiting for USA to actually play it.  But I don't actuclly remember them ever really fighting, or raising their voices at each other.
     

    That ep is "Semi-Detached" from Season 4. Pretty good, but not really an argument. More like Eames pities him for getting too close to this psycho woman... Grrrr. Hated that woman. Good ep though.

    The biggest argument I've ever seen is where they are arguing in season 1 in "The Faithful," where Bobby wants to keep a woman safe by hiding her from Carver, and Eames wants to tell him. She sort of raises her voice to him in an accusing tone, and isn't happy when Deakins agrees.

    Also, in the "Third Horseman," Bobby reveals to Eames that he is pro-choice, but not before trying to evade her question, to which she responds, "You're going to have to do a lot better than that, Bobby." He then says that he believes life is about choices, and abortion should be one of the choices.

    Those are the two "arguments" (if that) that I have ever seen.... but I have not seen season 2 in its totality.

    Hope it helped  

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    Vessa289

    [5]Aug 31, 2006
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    Thanks, I'd forgotten a lot of those moments. But as you all said, not really arguments. It'd be interesting to see them fight, but way out of character. Maybe if they were undercover or something.
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    mariska143

    [6]Aug 31, 2006
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    Vessa289 wrote:
    Thanks, I'd forgotten a lot of those moments. But as you all said, not really arguments. It'd be interesting to see them fight, but way out of character. Maybe if they were undercover or something.

    But what'd be even better is when they made up.

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    Miss_Box

    [7]Aug 31, 2006
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    That episode is "In the Wee Small Hours" ... Eames was pretty embarrassed.

    It really showed me the depth and development of their relationship in that episode. I found myself so riveted that my partner apparently spoke to me and I didn't even flinch [or hear him....]

    Edited on 08/31/2006 1:37pm
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    Miss_Box

    [8]Aug 31, 2006
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    [QUOTE="SVUgirl69"]I saw one where Goren got too close to a suspect, and sorta fell for her ( say fell for her very lightly) and she was angry at him because he tried to help her get out of what was coming, but she never yelled at him or said anything. [QUOTE]

    Was that the one with the radio DJ? When the killer said somehting along the lines of 'i know you care I saw it' and Goren replies 'I didn't mean for you to see'?

    I really need to learn my episode titles better 

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    animaltalker1

    [9]Sep 1, 2006
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    [QUOTE="Miss_Box"]

    [QUOTE="SVUgirl69"]I saw one where Goren got too close to a suspect, and sorta fell for her ( say fell for her very lightly) and she was angry at him because he tried to help her get out of what was coming, but she never yelled at him or said anything. 

    :

    Was that the one with the radio DJ? When the killer said somehting along the lines of 'i know you care I saw it' and Goren replies 'I didn't mean for you to see'?

    I really need to learn my episode titles better 


    Yeah that's the one, I thought the scene where he was fidling with the little replica of his badge in the case was great, I wasn't quite sure what Eames motivation was, but she didn't seem pleased, and through the whole episode I kept wondering whether Bobby was playing the suspect or falling for her.
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    mariska143

    [10]Sep 1, 2006
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    [QUOTE="animaltalker1"][QUOTE="Miss_Box"]

    SVUgirl69 wrote:
    I saw one where Goren got too close to a suspect, and sorta fell for her ( say fell for her very lightly) and she was angry at him because he tried to help her get out of what was coming, but she never yelled at him or said anything.
    :

    Was that the one with the radio DJ? When the killer said somehting along the lines of 'i know you care I saw it' and Goren replies 'I didn't mean for you to see'?

    I really need to learn my episode titles better



    Yeah that's the one, I thought the scene where he was fidling with the little replica of his badge in the case was great, I wasn't quite sure what Eames motivation was, but she didn't seem pleased, and through the whole episode I kept wondering whether Bobby was playing the suspect or falling for her.


    It was my belief *sniff* that he was playing her, but because she was so mentally close to something that came so close to his heart, he felt for her and got too close to her. Eames was sad because she was completely unstable and incapable of anything normal... she didn't want her partner to open up to someone like her.
    Sniff.
    Though I was upset that he chose her to open up to, I was pretty excited because she was so stalkerish that she gave him his army photo... prettttty goodlooking.
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    Miss_Box

    [11]Sep 6, 2006
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    I'm a little torn about his motives. I think he was genuine about feeling something for her but also genuine about catching the killer too.

    He seemed so sincere when he said I didn't mean for you to see...

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    ilyahna

    [12]Sep 14, 2006
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    One thing I took away from this episode (besides a rush of jealousy!) was how much was given away about the pathways into Goren's heart. I think what appealed to him the most about the nurse was that she had an incredible ability to care...he figured out that she was psychotic, but the things she did before he realized it really got to him.. especially looking up the medicine for his mother. His mother's condition is probably his greatest weakness. I think what drew him to her is something very similar to what drew him to the killer in "Want," who he sympathized with because he recognized the same thing in himself (loneliness). He feels sorry for the nurse because desperation to be with her ex-husband turns something beautiful about her into something ugly. I don't think there was much more in it than that...in fact, he shows a lot of disturbing duplicity in this episode. On one hand you really think he's genuinely beginning to care about her, while a moment later he's only playing her...I think it's more cruel than he usually is. I think it all boils down to what is at the core of how he treats criminals...especially those that get personal: he is able to get into people's heads because he sees what is similar in himself, and he despises those that give in to the...darkness. 
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