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Christopher Meloni (Det. Elliot Stabler)
Mariska Hargitay (Det. Olivia Benson)
Richard Belzer (Det. John Munch)
Ice-T (Det. Odafin Tutuola)
Michaela McManus (A.D.A. Kim Graylek)
B.D. Wong (Dr. George Huang)
Tamara Tunie (M.E. Melinda Warner)
Dann Florek (Capt. Donald Cragen)
Stephanie March (A.D.A Alexandra Cabot)
Diane Neal (A.D.A. Casey Novak)
Adam Beach (Det. Chester Lake)
Michelle Hurd (Det. Monique Jeffries)
Connie Nielsen (Det. Dani Beck)
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An allusion is an indirect or passing reference to an existing form of media, be it to another TV program, a movie, a piece of music, or a book. When submitting allusions, please add the name of the original medium (TV show, movie, book).
Lauren Cooper: Those who fight monsters should make damn sure they don't become one.
This quotation, originally from Friedrich Nietzsche ("He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee." Beyond Good and Evil: Prelude to a Future Philosophy, Part 4 Aphorisms and Interludes), is often used in police academy training classes, and was likely learned there by the characters.
Parts of this episode appear to be ripped from the headlines of the Nathan Leopold Jr. and Richard Loeb case.
Because the Law & Order franchise is complex, and also includes Homicide: Life on the Street, inter-show and inter-episode references that are not explained in the episode will be accepted as allusions.
Word definitions are not allusions, so please do not provide a definition of a word a character uses, regardless of how obscure it is.
Trivia is any small detail or goof that might not be known to people who view an episode. Trivia is attached at the episode level, and not the show level. Trivia should be specific to what aired in the episode and not deal with off-camera events, which should be submitted to Notes. A car license-plate number is trivia, but a producer walking off the set is a note.
Goof: There is an error in the dates between this episode and "Blinded," which originally aired the previous week. According to the information given on the black screens in "Fight," the episode occurred between 17 and 30 October, and on at least one day, Elliot was at work and helping Det. Lake review video. However, according to the information given in "Blinded," Elliot was blinded on 10 October. Olivia tells Casey the police surgeon said he can't leave his house until his vision comes back, and his vision is still blurry when he testifies against Picard on 8 November.
Trivia can be "cross-platform" if the show is part of a franchise. Thus, Stargate SG1 trivia that ties into Stargate: Atlantis is acceptable. Trivia across the various Star Trek series is acceptable.
Information that discusses actors, writers, background music choices, or directing techniques should be submitted as a note.
Trivia should be significant, or at least of some interest. The editor reserves the right to refuse any information that is not relevant to the guide.
Do not submit "first appearance of" material unless it is of significance. Any episode of any series features a first or last or hundredth of something, which would result in dozens of such entries per episode. Internal continuity in general is expected; however, if the continuity is obscure and trivial, it may be accepted.
Notes are off-camera tidbits about an episode. They should contain off-camera events that deal with a show's production. They should not deal with on-camera events or trivia.
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Janelle Odami: (to Fin from the cage) Hey, Uncle Tom, what's it like in the house?
Fin Tutuola: At least I ain't sellin' it! (to Chester Lake) Damn, white, black, I'm gettin' it from all sides today.
Chester Lake: Hey, man, her pimp called me a Mexican.
Fin Tutuola: Is that good or bad?
Continuing the previous editor's preference, to maintain continuity, all character names must include fore- and surnames where they are known. Blocks of dialogue that would be considered a transcript from a scene will not be approved. Any quote that is not humorous or interesting, or does not add relevant information to the guide, will be rejected.
4. Episode Summary:
Please do not copy and paste summaries from another website, which is plagiarism. A summary is not a recap of an episode and must not contain any spoilers. Please check spelling and grammar before submitting summaries. Pre-broadcast, a verifiable source for a summary submission must be included.
5. Episode Recap:
An episode recap should be as objective as possible, and must not have any grammar and spelling errors.
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Submission Tips - Column #8 - Numbers and You
Submission Tips Column #13 - How to Submit an Episode
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(Thanks to phf3947 for allowing my blatant plagiarism.)
Edited on 11/16/2008 8:46pm
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