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The Beginning of the End - Things That We Learnt (Spoiler Alert)

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    Taniya_K

    [1]Feb 2, 2008
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    From the first episode of season 4 'The Beginning of the End', there were many things which we found out from the flashforwards, and other events. I just thought that we should put a list together of things that we KNOW is true...

    In the brakets are the questions which arises from these facts and aswers that we have gained

    So we know that...

    1. Hurley gets off the island
    2. Oceanic 6 - (6 people who get off the island?)
    3. Oceanic 6 includes Jack, Kate and Hurley.
    4. There are still some people on the island
    5. The 'Oceanic 6' are celebrities - (why?!)
    6. They have a secret to keep - (what?!)
    7. Jack's back to being a doctor
    8. Hurley lied about knowing Ana-Lucia - (why? to protect her partner from thepain of knowing how she died?)
    9. On the island, the two groups will last for a long time
    10. We know this because Hurley said that he should've sided with Jack
    11. Which means that Jack got the 'Oceanic 6' off the island
    12. Also means that Jack is not entirely in the wrong
    13. However, getting off of the island was the wrong decision
    14. Naomi is now dead
    15. Charlie is dead, though he appears to Hurley in visions (so is he dead really or not?)

    Anything else that you can think of?

    Edited on 02/04/2008 8:59am
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    b3n10

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    thats it i guess
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    kawadge

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    That's a good list
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    MartyIsLost

    [4]Feb 2, 2008
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    We also learned the Christian Shepard's body (dead or alive or impersonated?) is in Jacob's cabin.

    The Oceanic 6 are famous because they were found alive after a crash

    Hurley lies about Ana-Lucia because they are keeping the details of the island a secret.

    Charlie is dead, he says so, but is Hurley hallucinating, or is something taking Charlie's form like all the otherpeople we have seen on the island that can't be there?

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    IdiotBoxx

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    Kate might not be one of the Oceanic 6. Jack and Hurley definitely are. The public may not know that Kate is alive. She is still a fugitive from what we know still, unless she got some pardon or something. We haven't seen her interact w/ the public. We've only seen her meet w/ Jack in private at that airfield.

    We also know that something off the island happens that triggers Jack to almost commit suicide. From the most recent Flashforward we see that he is somewhat happy, but something happens that drives him to drinking heavly and abusing drugs and almost commit suicide. I don't think it was the person in the coffin either, because you can see that he's pretty messed up before even finding out about the death of the person in that coffin.

    Oh yeah, we also know that something spooked Hurley into running away in that store. We just don't know what scared him.

    Edited on 02/02/2008 10:42am
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    Taniya_K

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    IdiotBoxx wrote:

    Kate might not be one of the Oceanic 6. Jack and Hurley definitely are. The public may not know that Kate is alive. She is still a fugitive from what we know still, unless she got some pardon or something. We haven't seen her interact w/ the public. We've only seen her meet w/ Jack in private at that airfield.

    We also know that something off the island happens that triggers Jack to almost commit suicide. From the most recent Flashforward we see that he is somewhat happy, but something happens that drives him to drinking heavly and abusing drugs and almost commit suicide. I don't think it was the person in the coffin either, because you can see that he's pretty messed up before even finding out about the death of the person in that coffin.

    Oh yeah, we also know that something spooked Hurley into running away in that store. We just don't know what scared him.



    I agree with the Jack stuff.

    With Hurley, he said that he saw Charlie in the store. (says it to Charlie himself.)

    And with the Kate stuff, she is known to the public because she wasn't hiding herself like before, if disguises, and in the 4th episode of this season, it's her flashforward, showing her trial and all.
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    Fishbulb13

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    Taniya_K wrote:
    So we know that...
    1. Hurley gets off the island
    2. Oceanic 6 - (6 people who get off the island?)
    3. Oceanic 6 includes Jack, Kate and Hurley.
    4. There are still some people on the island
    5. The 'Oceanic 6' are celebrities - (why?!)
    6. They have a secret to keep - (what?!)
    7. Jack's back to being a doctor
    8. Hurley lied about knowing Ana-Lucia - (why? to protect her partner from thepain of knowing how she died?)
    9. On the island, the two groups will last for a long time
    10. We know this because Hurley said that he should've sided with Jack
    11. Which means that Jack got the 'Oceanic 6' off the island
    12. Also means that Jack is not entirely in the wrong
    13. However, getting off of the island was the wrong decision
    14. Naomi is now dead
    15. Charlie is dead, though he appears to Hurley in visions (so is he dead really or not?)

    Anything else that you can think of?

    No, but I do have answers.

    5. They're celebrities because they survived a plane crash that was thought to have killed everybody on board. Oceanic Airlines may have even publicized this fact.

    6. Probably the location of the Island. It seems like there are several groups of people looking for it, and they don't all have the best of intentions.

    7. Until his alcoholism gets the best of him.

    8. It's possible that Hurley didn't want to tell Ana-Lucia's partner about what happened to her because of how she died. "Yeah, dude, there was this guy, Michael, he was on the Island, and he kinda killed her."

    11. Not necessarily.

    12. Also, not necessarily. We don't know why Hurley said he should have gone with Jack. For all we know Jack could easily have initiated a massacre that only a handful of people survive.

    15. According to producers, Charlie is completely dead.

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    Taniya_K

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    Fishbulb13 wrote:
    Taniya_K wrote:
    So we know that...
    1. Hurley gets off the island
    2. Oceanic 6 - (6 people who get off the island?)
    3. Oceanic 6 includes Jack, Kate and Hurley.
    4. There are still some people on the island
    5. The 'Oceanic 6' are celebrities - (why?!)
    6. They have a secret to keep - (what?!)
    7. Jack's back to being a doctor
    8. Hurley lied about knowing Ana-Lucia - (why? to protect her partner from thepain of knowing how she died?)
    9. On the island, the two groups will last for a long time
    10. We know this because Hurley said that he should've sided with Jack
    11. Which means that Jack got the 'Oceanic 6' off the island
    12. Also means that Jack is not entirely in the wrong
    13. However, getting off of the island was the wrong decision
    14. Naomi is now dead
    15. Charlie is dead, though he appears to Hurley in visions (so is he dead really or not?)

    Anything else that you can think of?

    No, but I do have answers.

    5. They're celebrities because they survived a plane crash that was thought to have killed everybody on board. Oceanic Airlines may have even publicized this fact.

    6. Probably the location of the Island. It seems like there are several groups of people looking for it, and they don't all have the best of intentions.

    7. Until his alcoholism gets the best of him.

    8. It's possible that Hurley didn't want to tell Ana-Lucia's partner about what happened to her because of how she died. "Yeah, dude, there was this guy, Michael, he was on the Island, and he kinda killed her."

    11. Not necessarily.

    12. Also, not necessarily. We don't know why Hurley said he should have gone with Jack. For all we know Jack could easily have initiated a massacre that only a handful of people survive.

    15. According to producers, Charlie is completely dead.



    cool!
    thanks for those...
    but am still upset about Charlie... i hope he keeps on reappearing! esp like he did in the last episode. he looked relaly hot then!
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    Telloth

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    One interesting thing I saw was that when Ana Lucia's partner was talking to Hurley he said "Maybe you met her on the plane or before you got on." Why didn't he ask him about the island, when they were on it? Maybe the rest of the world don't know about the island, and what happened to the Losties.

    I noticedsomething else. The man who visits Hurley in the pysch ward says "Are they still alive?" He must mean the other Losties, indicating they are maybe still back on the island/dead/whatever. Which makes me wonder who does he work for? I doubt it's Oceanic unless they were behind the crash and everything that happened. So who?

    And another thing. When Hurley was talking to Jack in the last flashforward,Hurley says"I think it wants us to go back, and it's going to everything it can." He's obviously talking about the island. Now that probably means that the island cuases Charlie to appear to Hurley so that Charlie can convince Hurley to get the Oceanic 6 back.

    And above all of that, a brilliant episode.

    Edited on 02/02/2008 3:35pm
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    mar01006765

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    Telloth wrote:

    One interesting thing I saw was that when Ana Lucia's partner was talking to Hurley he said "Maybe you met her on the plane or before you got on." Why didn't he ask him about the island, when they were on it? Maybe the rest of the world don't know about the island, and what happened to the Losties.

    I noticedsomething else. The man who visits Hurley in the pysch ward says "Are they still alive?" He must mean the other Losties, indicating they are maybe still back on the island/dead/whatever. Which makes me wonder who does he work for? I doubt it's Oceanic unless they were behind the crash and everything that happened. So who?

    And another thing. When Hurley was talking to Jack in the last flashforward,Hurley says"I think it wants us to go back, and it's going to everything it can." He's obviously talking about the island. Now that probably means that the island cuases Charlie to appear to Hurley so that Charlie can convince Hurley to get the Oceanic 6 back.

    And above all of that, a brilliant episode.



    yes, a very good episode. I don't think oceanic or anyone was behind the crash, because the plane only crashed because Desmond didn't push the button (because he was out following / killing Kelvin). So maybe the island made him do that, but not a specific group of ppl.
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    DygitalNinja

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    I think the most likely scenario for Kate is that the BOAT PEOPLE will use their 'connections' to clear Kate of any legal charges she was facing

    as far as the Oceanic 6...my guess its the people whoose stories weren't completely wrapped once they got of the island...you know I like Claire but I'm not super invested in her backstory....but boy is Sayid going to find Nadia, whats going on with Sawyer's daughter...Jin/Sun were definatly in alot of trouble when they got on 815 heck even Juliet has a sister who'd it be interesting to see her reunite with
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    mschumacher69

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    Taniya_K wrote:

    From the first episode of season 4 'The Beginning of the End', there were many things which we found out from the flashforwards, and other events. I just thought that we should put a list together of things that we KNOW is true...

    In the brakets are the questions which arises from these facts and aswers that we have gained

    So we know that...

    Hurley gets off the islandOceanic 6 - (6 people who get off the island?)Oceanic 6 includes Jack, Kate and Hurley.There are still some people on the islandThe 'Oceanic 6' are celebrities - (why?!)They have a secret to keep - (what?!)Jack's back to being a doctorHurley lied about knowing Ana-Lucia - (why? to protect her partner from thepain of knowing how she died?)On the island, the two groups will last for a long timeWe know this because Hurley said that he should've sided with JackWhich means that Jack got the 'Oceanic 6' off the islandAlso means that Jack is not entirely in the wrongHowever, getting off of the island was the wrong decisionNaomi is now deadCharlie is dead, though he appears to Hurley in visions (so is he dead really or not?)

    Anything else that you can think of?


    I'll give my answers to the questions:
    2- Yes, it looks like 6 people got off the island
    5- Because they survived the crash
    6- I think it's the fact that there are still people who survived the crash still on the island because the guy who visits Hurley in the psych ward asks him "are they still alive". So apparently, no one knows about the island and that the survivors lived there until they were rescued and for a reason or another, the Oceanic 6 don't want anybody to know about the island.
    8- I think it's because no body knows about the island and that they lived there until they were rescued, so he doesn't want to tell him that he met her on the island.
    11- It doesn't mean that Jack got the Oceanic 6 off the island, it means that members from both groups got off the island because Hurley was in Locks's group.
    15- Charlie does not appear to Hurley in visions, Hurley is just haluscinating. So I think Charlie is definitly dead.

    All in all, it was a nice episode...
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    drockin13

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    Do you think this information will change?

    The previous flashbacks obviously had already happened, but with these being flashforwards, do you think the information we gather from them will change in the future?

    For instance, maybe next episode someone will mention the Oceanic 12 or something along that line?
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    banana_girl

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    Telloth wrote:

    One interesting thing I saw was that when Ana Lucia's partner was talking to Hurley he said "Maybe you met her on the plane or before you got on." Why didn't he ask him about the island, when they were on it? Maybe the rest of the world don't know about the island, and what happened to the Losties.





    That is an interesting observation
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    banana_girl

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    drockin13 wrote:
    Do you think this information will change?

    The previous flashbacks obviously had already happened, but with these being flashforwards, do you think the information we gather from them will change in the future?

    For instance, maybe next episode someone will mention the Oceanic 12 or something along that line?


    I think that'll make the show too confusing. And it'd be pointless because they're making us ask all these questions like who are the 6 and who's left on the Island etc... to come back next week and find that it's changed to 12 would leave us feeling a bit dissapointed cause we would've done all that speculating for nothing.
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    D-blaze34

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    What we really need to ask is: if no one has mentioned anything about the island how did they explain the days between the crash and the rescue?

    Could time be going quicker on the island? It has been proposed before and shot down.

    Ana-lucia's partner may have asked about Hurley meeting her before the flight because the Oceanic 6 has told everyone they were the only6 to survive the initial crash. Otherwise he might haveasked "was she one of the survivorswho died on the island?" But if they did mention that a few died on the island then authorities would have gone back to retrieve bodies, wouldnt they?

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    MetallicremA

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    Telloth wrote:

    One interesting thing I saw was that when Ana Lucia's partner was talking to Hurley he said "Maybe you met her on the plane or before you got on." Why didn't he ask him about the island, when they were on it? Maybe the rest of the world don't know about the island, and what happened to the Losties.



    That's maybe because the world think that the Oceanic 6 are the only ones who survived THE CRASH.
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    Fishbulb13

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    DygitalNinja wrote:
    I think the most likely scenario for Kate is that the BOAT PEOPLE will use their 'connections' to clear Kate of any legal charges she was facing


    The most likely scenario is that Oceanic/Dharma/whoever made a deal with her, giving her amnesty in return for her silence.
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    il-janus

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    What I really found interesting and confusing was Jack's and Hurley conversation.

    - Hurley told Jack that he should have sided with him:

    - Why?

    - How come Hurley is one of the oceanic six when he went with locke?

    - Are we going to see any bloodshed?

    - What is the secret?

    - What will trigger Jack's suicidal state?

    The seond interesting thing was Christian Sheperd's brief appearance. I was one of those who voted that Jack's mentioning of his father was just because he was nuts.

    - Was he?

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    midlandsmorg

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    I think that's possibly right, I reckon that whoever the Oceanic 6 are they have been sworn to secrecy, they may have said everyone else died in the crash and that there are no other survivors. It is very strange that after being stranded on an island for half a year or so the policeman didn't think to treat Hurley with some sympathy.
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