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AIRED: 1/28/09

Desmond searches for a mysterious woman that can help them stop the island's movements in time. Locke uncovers the person responsible for the attacks on the victims.

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A good piece that introduces some key pieces of the season's story.

8.0

By ticktock24, May 07, 2011

While the Oceanic Six preparing to return to the island is the biggest piece of the "Three Years Later" subplot, they weren't the only ones to get off the island. Several characters are off who presumably still have something important to add to the story (Walt). So they bench the Oceanic Six in favor of the story of Desmond's quest to locate Daniel's mother while Daniel tries to help The Others with their bomb situation on the island 53 years previous.

Since he was never seen in flash forwards, Desmond's post rescue life was unknown, here it's shown that Desmond and Penny got married and had a child, named Charlie after the Lostie who made their reunion possible. Of course the other Charlie is Penny's father, the reason why they are in hiding on the house boat. With the time jumps, some are guessing that Charlie is a young Charles Widmore. While it's great that Lost has people theorizing about what's going on, this theory is too much. Penny would be her own granddaughter (not to mention the continually degrading DNA with the circular nature of this time travel)! Even if they softened it by having her be adopted, it's still a bit creepy.

With Desmond and Penny together and two more seasons on the clock, many viewers are rightfully worried that this relationship is going to end in tragedy like almost every other coupling on this show. Some are waiting for the "trouble in paradise" that comes whenever a couple gets together mid series and they need something to replace the tension. There were hints of that when Penny chimed in that Scotland was also where Desmond broke her heart, but it's not much further than that.

Also, there could have been tension with Desmond's mission, but Penny was easily sold on the idea of doing something Desmond was told several years earlier that he just happened to remember after waking up. There was the possibility of her thinking it was a dream or questioning it's legitimacy, but since we know it happened, that wasn't explored.

Although Desmond insists that he will never return to the island, his path to Daniel's mother, in LA with the Oceanic Six, will lead him there eventually. Now what does that mean for this relationship? A lot of people assume that Penny will have to die for him to come back, but how would they deal with that besides have him grieve and pursue revenge like Sayid? Or would they go with his original predicament being trapped on the island away from the woman he loves? She and Charlie can always come with him, but what implications would that have (besides the incest that was mentioned earlier)?

Desmond is also in an interesting place as he has overcome his major flaw, his cowardice. The best example is storming into Widmore's office unannounced, demanding information about Daniel's mother and not even speaking of Penny's condition. He couldn't do such a thing before. Desmond's life, hiding aside, isn't so bad. He gets to spend his time with the love of his life and their child, and Penny has more than enough funds to keep things stable. However, considering Desmond is a central character in the story, all these right steps may be sacrificed for him when he returns to finish his business with the island.

In the big confrontation at Widmore's office, Widmore shows a brief moment of fear and concern over his daughter. Ben put her in his cross hairs as retribution for what happened to Alex, and Widmore knows that Ben has the resources to fulfill his promise. Widmore may be aware that Ben is in LA, and having Desmond go there would put Penny at risk. For a man who seems to be in control like Widmore is, expressing any fear is worth noting.

Despite being officially a Desmond episode, we learn much more about Daniel via Desmond's search. Perhaps encouraged by what he saw in Desmond in 1996, Daniel took his research to an extreme, leaving Theresa in a catatonic state. He splits for America and Oxford pretends he never existed despite not throwing away his things. The big reveal was that Widmore was funding Daniel's research and took care of Theresa, showing temporal displacement can be relieved medically, after Daniel left. It's another interesting link tying these two characters together.

53 years earlier, the castaways are trimmed down to six following the attack from the people revealed to be the 1954 Others. Of course the ageless Richard is there, and it's common knowledge among his people that he is "old". Unlike prior times, he comes off as the leader with Ellie and a 17-year-old Charles Widmore as lieutenants. Alpert said leaders were trained young, but it's inferable from Ben's flashbacks that he really became the leader in his 30s. So at this point they were still some time from being fully anointed forces.

Widmore being one of The Others 50 years before the crash isn't surprising, but a good development. He had to have a back story with the island between his obsession finding the island and his rivalry with Ben. Obviously Ben's not around in 1954, but here we see that he was cocky underestimating Locke and such an attitude would breed a sense of entitlement when told he couldn't have something he wanted.

The Others mistake the Island Six (as they'll be known) as US soldiers. They'd been combating those intending to detonate the eponymous bomb on the island, and they believe that they are a part of this, even with Miles and Charlotte on the team. The bomb, besides being a classic device, also ties into one of Lost's major influences, The Stand, where a bomb plays a key role in the climax.

To convince The Others that he's intent on helping them with the bomb, Daniel tells Richard he's in love with Charlotte, which is more affecting than most of the shipper stuff. Although it can be hard to sympathize with Charlotte most of the time, Daniel's puppy love is definitely relatable.

Sawyer's scolding Daniel for telling Ellie they were from the future could mark a major sea change for the Losties. In the beginning they were the outsiders and The Others were the ones withholding the secrets of the island. With three plus months (give or take with time jumps) on the island, they've learned a lot about what's happening. Some have theorized the Losties will wind up the series as the new Others, so a moment like this can reinforce that claim.

It's interesting that Richard's attempts to reach Locke before the crash were because Locke told him to when he was in 1954. There are a lot of questions that come out of that, but considering the no paradox rule the producers, Richard was going to be there when he was a newborn and kid somehow. It may explain the test Richard gave Locke as a boy; instead of it connecting to the idea of reincarnation since the Dalai Lama takes a similar test when being chosen, the item literally belonged (or will belong) to the tested.

Like a lot of Lost, this introduces a lot of elements that will likely be big in the future, specifically the bomb, so it helps to rewatch after seeing the whole season. With the narrative all over the place, the writers are doing a good job keeping it together. It's no where near Desmond's best episode, but it has some points that may be important in the end.moreless
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The only one with no reason to go back starts on the path that will lead to ruin

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By DavidB226Morris, May 07, 2011

Unlike the Oceanic 6, Desmond has not been visited by any ghosts connected with the island. He has been reunited with his soulmate, and as we see in the teaser, they've married and have a son. They've managed to avoid the craziness. So, it's quite understandable that Penny is concerned when Desmond tells her he's 'remembered' something about Daniel while he was in the hatch. The two were linked together in last season's classic, 'The Constant', and, as we knew in that episode, Daniel has linked the two of them together in his journal. So, this is how Desmond gets pulled back into the craziness that is the island.

He goes to Oxford looking after Daniel's research only to find that his labs been bolted up, with no questions being asked. Then he finds Daniel's only connection outside--- a girl named Teresa--- somehow got involved in his research, and is now involved in the ultimate fate worse than death. It is then that Des finds another link between him and Daniel--- his research, from the time he was at Oxford, was being funded by Charles Widmore.

This leads to one of the great scenes of the season, a complete reversal from the last time Des was there--- that memorable bit where Widmore humiliated Desmond in 'Flashes Before Your Eyes' In complete contrast, he comes crashing in, stands over him with real rage, tells him he's not going to answer any of Widmore questions, and he clearly catches him off guard with the fact that he knows about his links to Daniel and how to find Faraday's mother. Widmore keeps a good poker face, but he's clearly unsettled, considering that he gives in, and tries to warn Des to stay out of the "mess" that he's mired in. It's clear that Desmond wants to let all this go, but ironically, Penny is the one who pushes him forward, saying that he has to follow through. She doesn't know that by doing so, she's putting herself directly under the gunsight--- after all, Ben is in LA, same as Faraday's mother. Desmond also swears he will not go back to the island, the kind of statement that pretty much guarantees it will happen eventually. Difference is, he's not going to go willingly.

Meanwhile, back on the island, the survivors are still under fire from the previous attack. (And there aren't many left. The flaming arrows took out most of the background characters, and now we see the rest die when they trip a mine in the middle of the creek. This leaves us with Sawyer, Locke, Juliet, Daniel, Miles, Charlotte, and possibly Bernard and Rose {we didn't see them et killed in either place, though it's not quite clear what has happened to them yet.}) Our first assumption is that their some part of the military based on the uniforms, but as Juliet soon fathoms, these are the Others from the past. Prominent among them are a young blond woman named Ellie, who seems a bit quick on the trigger, a hyper young man who calls himself Jones--- and Richard Alpert, looking exactly the same. We soon find out that we're in 1954, and that the army has come preparing to detonate a hydrogen bomb called 'Jughead'. The Others killed the soldiers and are prepared to do the same to these group, until Daniel--- who seems to be getting clearer with every jump figures out, what's going on. He tells Ellie that they need to bury the bomb, and seal it up in lead, and that it will be fine for the next fifty years. But having an unexploded hydrogen bomb on the island is kind of like Chekhov 's shotgun in the first act in a play--- we know, somehow, that bomb's going to end up going off. The question is when?

We don't deal with this surprise because we've just made another connection--- when 'Jones' catches up with Richard, he is then called 'Widmore' So it seems that Charles Widmore has been linked to the island even longer than we thought was implied in season 4. Perhaps we could have gotten more details if Juliet wasn't so damn stubborn in what information she gives out. She identifies the language the soldiers are speaking as Latin, then tells Locke that Richard has always been part of the island, but she refuses--- as she has always-- to give out details. Now, more than ever, it seems we need to know what the hell's going on, we have a woman on the inside--- and she won't frigging talk! I love Elizabeth Mitchell, I do, but I was really irked at some of the turns her character would take, particular in the episodes where everyone flashes through time. She must have had some answers, but she seemed so restrained in giving them. Honestly, we're closing in on the end now, a few more details?

John Locke, in the meantime, has Widmore dead in his sights (he doesn't know it's Widmore yet; still...) and lets him walk away. He is more focused on trying to talk to Richard and get some answer of his own. He tells Richard that Jacob sent him , and that he was supposed to be their leader. As proof, he hands over the compass Richard gave him in 'Because You Left', and tells him when and where he will be born. Obviously, this calls a lot of what we learned about him in ' Cabin Fever' to suddenly be in question. Richard didn't travel through time to see him on a whim; he came on a linear path because Locke told him. And he came to visit Locke at age 5, and performed that test, which now seems to be something that they do to check island leadership. Now it makes even more sense... up to a point. Richard presented six objects before a young John , and told him "Take what already belongs to you." John took the vial of sand, clearly representing the island. He took the compass, which was the same compass he gave to Richard in 1954. Then he took the knife, which was the wrong choice, according to Richard. But the object had on him at that occasion was the knife. So why was it the wrong choice then, and why was the Book of Laws apparently the right one. Speculation seems rather pointless now, considering how close we are to the end and with no idea what that book is. But it does call into question: was Locke ever chosen by the island, or was he chosen because he said he was? The consequences will be far grimmer than Locke ever could imagine.

Of course, right now, the consequences seem pretty serious. For near the end of the episode, the island does another time jump, and by the time they catch up to Charlotte, who has been worsening slowly, she collapses in a dead heap. We still don't know what's happening (and why it's affecting Charlotte more obviously then everyone who's still alive) but it doesn't seem that good things are going to happen unless they find a way to stop these jumps.

Apart from the fact that we see nothing of the Oceanic 6 in this episode, it's hard to pick out any specific flaws. Desmond is apparently, yet again, locked on another journey who's end is uncertain even to him It's not clear yet what his path is for everyone that's left on and off the island, but he managed to be the one that saved the Oceanic 6 before. Is that going to be his path again?

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The Constant Round II

7.5

By thefanof, May 29, 2010

This episode had a similar presence and feel to the highly praised season four installment "The Constant" which was voted by many as the best Lost episode of the year, and one of the best period. I do not expect this to get the same kind of adulation. The show is still as hooking as you ever as you are pulled in and are glued to your TV until the final credits air, but this just was not as entertaining as the premiere.

Daniel Faraday and Desmond received the majority of the screen time, but series stars Jack, Ben, Hurley, Kate and Sayid were nowhere to be found. These are all important players that make up the best ensemble cast on TV.

I was shocked with the revelation of Charles Widmore having been on the island years ago, but this time travel storyline is already starting to get tiresome, especially with the "not where we are, but when we are" line that now appears to be mandatory for every week.

And a plethora of questions still are not answered such as why the survivors and the freighter crew are not affected by the time travel and what Ms. Hawking was referring to with the 70 hours ultimatum. It's inexcusable when the major cliffhanger of your premiere is not even addressed the following week.

This was not a bad hour of television, but it was not a the huge show tv.com hyped it up to be.moreless
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HOLY CRAP that was amazing!

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By DerickBentham, May 29, 2010

Crazy, amazing, spectacular, pivotal and perfect are a few words that describe the LOST episode Jughead. I adore, absolutely adore the fact that Desmond has named his son Charlie and i also love that he and Faraday both obviously play an intricate role on the island and whats happening and about to happen to both the island and all of the people that reside on it or are trying to get to it. I also thought that the crazy jerk of the others turned out to be mr widmore. Lost keeps getting better and better and Jughead is yet another example of how amazing this show truly is.moreless
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Couldn't be happier

9.5

By lazarius12, May 29, 2010

I hear a lot of people complaining about Lost not giving any answers, but raising more questions instead. Never in my life have I been more confused with people as I am now. For that reason alone I absolutely love this show and the creators who keep the questions coming.

In this episode we focus on Desmond and Daniel while leaving Jack, Kate, Hurley, Ben and the rest out of the picture. Personally I love that the show is focusing on certain people and not trying to get a little of everyone into each episode. We don't want to be like Heroes, now do we?

I won't reveal any major plot points, as there are a few nice ones here, but I will say that we continue to move along at a nice pace. Locke speaks with Richard again, Desmond begins, and almost ends, his new quest, while Daniel has to defuse an H bomb? Yeah just tune in, 'cause this episode is definitely one you can't miss.moreless
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Terry O'Quinn	John Locke
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Henry Ian Cusick	Desmond Hume
Rebecca Mader	Charlotte Lewis
Elizabeth Mitchell	Juliet Burke
Josh Holloway	James "Sawyer" Ford

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Alexandra Krosney	Ellie	Guest Star
Imelda Corcoran	Abigail	Guest Star
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- While Penny and Desmond are discussing Desmond's search for Daniel's mother, there is a blue coffee cup on the nightstand next to Penny. When the scene cuts back to Penny, the cup is missing, and Penny's stack of paperbacks is rearranged.
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- Numbers: Miles senses the graves of 4 dead U.S. soldiers: 3 were shot and 1 died because of radiation poisoning.
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- Desmond and Penny's child is named Charlie, sharing a name with the man who kept them apart (Charles Widmore) and the man whose actions helped them reunite (Charlie Pace).
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- Daniel Faraday realizes he can't dismantle the Jughead bomb because it was leaking. In the season two finale (Live Together, Die Alone), Desmond mentions that "the incident" at the Swan station was the result of something leaking and needing to be covered in concrete. That is why there was a closed off (cemented in) portion of the hatch and the numbers that needed to be entered into the computer every 108 minutes to release the built-up electromagnetic energy.
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- In this episode, Daniel Faraday tells Ellie that they can render the bomb ineffective by covering it with concrete and burying it. In the season two episode, Everybody Hates Hugo, Sayid makes this statement about the closed off part of the Swan hatch: The last time I heard of concrete being poured over everything in this way was Chernobyl.
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- The main island events in this episode take place in 1954, approximately 50 years prior to when the plane crashed on the island.
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- Locke tells Richard he is born May 30, 1956, but in "Cabin Fever" we are introduced to Emily, John's mother while dancing to the 45 single "Everyday" by Buddy Holly and Crickets. The single for that record wasn't pressed and released until September 29th, 1957.
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- The Numbers: While at Oxford, Desmond goes to the Department of Physics located at Claredon 142-08.
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- The Oxford Physics Department is housed in Clarendon laboratory, not "Claredon" as it reads on the sign Desmond passes in the quad.
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- The claymore mines near the creek did not enter service until 1960, 6 years after the time period quoted (1954).
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- "Jughead" appears to be a Mark 16 nuclear bomb. The Mark 16 is more properly designated TX-16/EC-16 as it only existed in Experimental/Emergency Capability versions. Design yield was 6-8 megatons. Only five units ever manufactured, in January 1954, and deployed in an interim "emergency capability" role with the designation EC-16. By April 1954 they were all retired.
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- In Charles Widmore's office, there's a painting on the wall with "Namaste" written on it. "Namaste" being the Hindi salutation often used by people from the DHARMA Initiave.
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- Jughead was the code name for a bomb in the real-life Operation Castle nuclear test on Bikini Atoll. This test took place in March/April 1954. The bomb named Jughead was not detonated.
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- This episode reveals why Richard was at the hospital when Locke was born, and why Richard conducted an interview on Locke when he was a young boy, in previous episodes. Because Locke talked to him in 1954, before he was born.
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- When Penny gives birth her baby goes from her womb, to the doctor, to her arms in seconds with no umbilical cord being cut.
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- Ellie: (Upon seeing Daniel Faraday) You just couldn't stay away, could you?
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- Richard: How do I know you weren't sent here on some suicide mission? That I'll take you out to the bomb, and you'll just detonate it?
  Faraday: Because... I'm in love with the woman sitting next to me. And I would never... I would never do anything to hurt her.
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- Sawyer: Are you crazy?! What were you thinking? Why didn't you shoot him?!
  Locke: Because... he's one of my people.
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- Daniel: Charlotte! You okay?
  Charlotte: Yeah. Fine.
  Miles: Yeah, me too. I'm great too.
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- Richard: How did you escape?
  Widmore: I ran.
  Richard: And it never occurred to you that they might follow you?
  Widmore: Follow me? Their leader is some sodding old man (referring to Locke). What, you think he can track me? Do you think he knows this island better than I do?
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- Miles: A hydrogen bomb. Seriously?
  Daniel: Back in the fifties, the US government tested H-bombs in the South Pacific.
  Miles: Lucky us.
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- Sawyer: Who taught you Latin?
  Juliet: Others 101. Gotta learn Latin. Language of the enlightened.
  Sawyer: Enlightened, my ass.
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- Miles: We're so dead.
  Daniel: Hey, we're not so dead. We're going to be fine. We just need to keep it together until there's another flash, alright? Then all this disappears.
  Miles: When's that going to happen?
  Daniel: Could be 5 minutes. Could also be 5000 years.
  Miles: That's just awesome.
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- Locke: (talking about Cunningham and Jones) And how is it that they know how to speak Latin, Juliet?
  Juliet: The same reason I do. Because they're Others.
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- Sawyer: Who cares about the rifle? Where the hell have you been?
  Locke: If you'd been going through what I have, James, maybe the more appropriate question would be, when the hell have I been.
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- Charlotte: You didn't have to say that.
  Dan: Say what?
  Charlotte: That you loved me. I mean there are plenty of other ways you could have convinced him you weren't going to blow up the entire island.
  Dan: I said what I said because I meant it, Charlotte.
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- Cunningham: That idiot shouted out 'Meet at the creek'. We knew exactly where they were headed. Sent a group after them.
  Sawyer: Maybe I should've said it in my secret language.
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- Locke: Who are these people?
  Sawyer: Well gee... I didn't have time to ask that with Frogurt on fire and all.
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- Penny: If you're going to promise me something Des. Can you promise me you'll never go back to that island again.
  Desmond: Pshhhht.. Why in God's name would I want to go back there.
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- Dan: Hey, hows your headache?
  Charlotte: Worse, actually. But considering we're running for our lives I'm not going to complain.
  Dan: Have you had any dizziness or double vision?
  Charlotte: Both actually..... Why do you look so worried. Is it because you know whats happening to me?
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- Miles: Sawyer said to meet at the creek. So, unless he got torched by a flaming arrow that's where he and everyone else should be.
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- Penny: You also left out the bit about his grandfather. The man who sent a boat to the island to kill all Daddy's friends.
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- Richard: I said put the gun down Widmore.
  Locke: You're name is Widmore? Charles Widmore?
  Charles Widmore: What's it to you?
  Locke: Nothing. Nice to meet you.
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- Locke: And because I'm your leader.
  Richard: You're my leader?
  Locke: That's what you told me.
  Richard: Well, look, I certainly don't want to contradict myself.
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- Charles Widmore: Don't put Penny's life in danger.
  Desmond: Danger?
  Charles Widmore: You're getting yourself involved in something that goes back many, many years.
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- Dan: What, you're gonna, you're gonna shoot me? That right. Yeah, that would be perfect because of course rifle fire right next to - what would you call this, hydrogen bomb, yes, fantastic idea. Really inspired.
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- Ellie: Why do you keep looking at me?
  Dan: Oh, no. I'm,I'm not. I...
  Ellie: You are.
  Dan: You know what? You're right. I'm, I'm sorry. It's just...you looks so much like...someone I used to know.
  Ellie: Someone other than the girl you just professed your love for? Well, aren't you the Romeo?
  Dan: Far from it. Believe me.
  Ellie: I don't believe you, by the way. You may have Richard fooled, but you can't reallyexpect me to believe that you, a British woman and a Chinese man are all members of the United States military. Who are you and what are you doing on our island?
  Dan: You want toknow who I am? I am your best chance at disarming that bomb.
  Ellie: All right, then. Disarm it.
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- Locke: How did you know Richard would be here?
  Juliet: Richards' always been here.
  Locke: How old is he?
  Juliet: Old. Why are you so interested in Richard, John?
  Locke: I'm interested in him because he was about to tell me how I could save us.
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- Sawyer: What about you? Wanna stay here in crazy town or help me rescue the geek.
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- Desmond: Look, right over there, [the only way you can see this?], and it's a very special island, I left it a long time ago, I never thought I'd see it again; and it's called...Great Britain.
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- First episode directed by Rob Holcomb since the season 1 episode "Hearts And Minds".
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- Original International Air Dates:
  United Kingdom: February 1, 2009 on Sky One
  Australia: February 25, 2009 on Network 7
  New Zealand: March 4, 2009 on TV2
  Denmark: March 13, 2009 on Kanal 5
  Latin America: March 16, 2009 on AXN
  Sweden: March 31, 2009 on TV4
  Czech Republic: April 20, 2009 on AXN
  Spain: May 14, 2009 on FOX
  Belgium: August 31, 2009 on VT4
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- Mary Ann Taheny plays Moira, the receptionist at Oxford. She previously played Jenna in "Exodus, Part 2".
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- A Desmond-centric episode.
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- Although credited, Naveen Andrews (Sayid), Michael Emerson (Ben), Matthew Fox (Jack), Jorge Garcia (Hurley), Evangeline Lilly (Kate), Daniel Dae Kim (Jin) and Yunjin Kim (Sun) didn't appear. This is the first episode of the entire series in which none of the Oceanic Six appear.
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- Jughead Jones: Forsythe Pendleton "Jughead" Jones III was a regularly featured character in Archie Comics, notable as the lead character in a 1990 cartoon series, Jughead's Time Police. In the series, Jughead, using a special beanie given by an unknown benefactor, travels through time fixing disturbances in the timeline with the help of one of his own descendants from the 29th century.
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