Season 5 Episode 13

Some Like It Hoth

Aired Sunday 9:00 PM Apr 15, 2009 on ABC
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Episode Summary

Suspicions about a possible breach intensify after Ben is taken from the infirmary, and a reluctant Miles is forced to work with Hurley when he's asked to deliver an important package to a top DHARMA official.

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  • Reveals awesome things about a solid Character. Doesn't deliver with the story as much.

    I'm glad that they finally gave us a character centric episode with Miles. I always liked his character and was curious what his background was. Many, many things were revealed in this episode and verified certain theories that I had. I was right for once! Anyway, the banter between Hurley and Miles was humorous, and the background to who he was, how he came about his abilities, and his own father was fun to see. It raises some more questions, which I am sure we can slightly guess ourselves. Did his father do experiments on him to give him this ability? Was he born with it or did the Island give it to him? Lost loves to create more questions out of answers and I'm sure we'll figure it out sooner or later. The story, unfortunately, wasn't really carried on in this episode except maybe as a springboard for the tension and conflict to come, which really was already set up with Kate and Sawyer taking Ben. The charade Sawyer has going isn't going to last long. We all knew it was coming. We just wanted to know when. This episode helped that to some extent. Other than that though, the story was on a standstill. I think it was really good, but wasn't spectacular or anything.moreless
  • Another impressive episode in an impressive season (at least so far)

    So far, Season 5 has impressed me to no end. Somehow, after five seasons of Lost, they've found a way to keep changing things around without forgetting what the characters are like or what the story is about. With the shorter seasons and the storyline already thought out right to the last season, things have flowed much better. This episode was yet another strong one.

    First off, it was nice to see some focus on Miles. I remember when the people from the boat were first introduced, people complained that they weren't interesting and that being introduced this late in the show wouldn't be as good as focusing on the characters who had been around since the start. However, each character has been given a chance to have a background. Miles, in my opinion, had the most interesting one. His backstory had some great moments, and the introduction of the Brahm (or was it Graham? I couldn't hear it well) was definitely an interesting thing.

    I didn't know how to feel about the constant change in tone at first.. one second, there would be a serious tone and the next, Miles and Hurley would be tossing jokes back and forth and calling Chang a douche. However, in the end, I realized it really fit Hurley and Miles' characters. They're both funny characters and the writers did a good job of adapting their humor into serious moments. Hurley's "Empire Strikes Back" idea was awesome, and I found myself chuckling the entire time.

    So far, Season 5 has proven to be quite impressive. Each season has an arc that is followed right up until the end, and it appears, from Faraday's appearence, that we'll be hitting the final stretch. I have no doubt we're going to be given one hell of a finale this year.moreless
  • yet another amazing episode of lost that introduces us to a new side of miles

    Some like it hoth is a great episode of lost for plenty of reasons. First off, you cant go wrong with a miles centric episode because i think he is absolutely hilarious and quite interesting! Second of all, i really do enjoy how well hurley and miles play off of one another with how miles mocks his stupidity and how it doesnt bother hurley one bit. Another reason i enjoyed this episode was because of how very revealing it was. It showed us that not only is Faraday back from who knows where but also that marvin candlewax aka pierre chang is Miles father and that Miles was most likely conceived on the island and that is why he is special. Miles is special and so is his first solo centric episode!moreless
  • Miles and Hurley move a body around, in 1970's DHARMAville; Miles's flashbacks show us his ghost communication powers, and his father's absence. Meanwhile, Sawyer's lies begin to unravel, and a familiar face FINALLY returns to the Island...moreless

    This was a good episode; The only reason I gave it am 8/10 was because it was not particularly thrilling. But, certainly, it was NOT boring... Well, Hurley's 'Star Wars' dialogue was pretty boring lol, but still kind of funny!

    Ken Leung has a certain charisma, and I enjoy his portrayal of Miles Straume. His comedic timing is great, as well as his serious dialogue -- for example, the simple lesson he gave a father, whose son had died without knowing whether he was loved or not, was very well delivered.

    Jorge Garcia, Elizabeth Mitchell, and Evangeline Lily also did particularly well this episode. I enjoyed Hurley's scenes (hilarious guy!), and Juliet's line, 'Well, here we go!' was pretty wicked. Lily did a wonderful job of acting nervous around Roger Linus, although I didn't particularly like how Kate was written there -- wasn't she supposed to be hard to read? Hm, it seemed that Roger read her perfectly there...

    Anyways! The episode gave us some insight into Miles's character, without raising too many further questions. There's still more to learn as a result of this episode: How will Dr. Chang lose his hand? Where on Earth was Daniel Faraday all this time? Who kidnapped Miles? Why was buddy shot while constructing 'The Orchid'? But, it gave us many answers... We learned why Miles requested $3.2 million, and the identity of his parents. It was great.

    I'm actually looking forward to learning more about Daniel Faraday, two weeks from now. Overall, this was a good episode, and I can't wait to learn more about the (highly underused!) freighter dudes!moreless
  • Going that extra Mile(s)...

    Miles has been on the show now for almost two years and has famously been the resident spooky guy and jackass but has had little in the way of development. It's almost like he's the guy no one knew what to with.

    Now, with one fell swoop Miles has gone from resident jackass and useless spook to the eye of the Lost hurricane.

    "Some Like it Hoth" is another amazing installment of Lost where the storylne is expanded and past mysteries are revealed making way for new ones to fill the gap -- which is what the show does best.

    With a nice mixture of mystery, suspense, and humor this episode is yet another great installment of the series.moreless
Dean Norris

Dean Norris

Howard Gray

Guest Star

Tim deZam

Tim deZam


Guest Star

Lance Ho

Lance Ho

Young Miles

Guest Star

Francois Chau

Francois Chau

Dr. Pierre Chang

Recurring Role

Marsha Thomason

Marsha Thomason

Naomi Dorrit

Recurring Role

Patrick Fischler

Patrick Fischler


Recurring Role

Trivia, Notes, Quotes and Allusions


  • TRIVIA (13)

    • Black and white:
      -Hurley's notebook has those colors.
      -Miles's black hair has a white stripe running through it when he visits his ailing mother.

    • When Miles is abducted in the van after getting his fish taco, he bargains with his abductors not to go to the Isand on the freighter in exchange for 3.2 million dollars. This is the exact sum he blackmails Ben for in Season 4 episode 4: Eggtown. In this episode, he is off the freighter and on the island. He offers Ben to tell Widmore Ben of his death in exchange for the money.

    • Numbers:
      -The time on the microwave at the beginning said "3:16". That's the number of the flight in which the Losties came back to the island.
      -The room where young Miles finds the dead body when he goes to the vending machine is Room 4. He finds the key under a rabbit which has the number 8 on its ear.
      -Naomi offered Miles $1.6 millions.
      -Miles was reading the March 14th, 1977 issue of Sports Illustrated. The cover of which reads, "After 23 years… NEW BOSS IN L.A. Tom Lasorda".
      -Sawyer asks Miles to delete the video from camera 4.

    • Goof: Miles has a moustach and goatee, but he did not in "Whatever happened, happened". However, no days have passed since the two episodes

    • When Miles is reading Hurley's script for The Empire Strikes Back he is reading the scene where Han and Chewbacca encounter the Imperial probe droid. In Hurley's script, Chewbacca shoots the probe droid with his crossbow. In the actual film, Chewbacca never shoots, he only growls to get the attention of the droid and then Han Solo shoots it from behind and destroys it. This could be a mistake or one of Hurley's "updates" to George Lucas's script and could be an allusion to the "Han Shoots First" controversy concerning changes Lucas made to A New Hope. In Hurley's updated script - Han doesn't shoot first, Chewbacca does.

    • The DHARMA worker is seen picking up The Swan station's hatch door with ease, yet in "Exodus, Part 2" it takes both Jack and Locke using their full strength to move it slightly and it's described as a "foot thick steel door".

    • The book that Pierre is reading to baby Miles is entitled "Me And Polar Bears".

    • Despite claiming to watch The Empire Strikes Back 200 times, Hurley does not remember that Luke Skywalker got his hand cut off before he knew that Darth Vader was his father.

    • The lesson Jack erased from the classroom board was about Ancient Egypt and hieroglyphs. Also when Jack is seen erasing the right section of the board, he puts a lot of effort into it, but it doesn't erase very well. The next two screen shots show the middle and left side of the board erased in a matter of seconds.

    • The Lisa computer in the security station was not in production until early 1983.

    • In one shot, Elmer is seen behind Kate. In the next shot which faces the opposite direction, he is seen behind Roger.

    • Miles closes the hatchback of the van when Chang tells him to wait at the Orchid. In the next scene, it's open again.

    • The periodic table on the wall in the Schoolhouse contained elements not yet discovered in 1977.

  • QUOTES (8)

    • Miles: My dad didn't leave when I was ten. Uh, I was a baby. I never knew him. I don't want to. It's not happening.
      Hurley: That was Luke's attitude, too.
      Miles: What?
      Hurley: In Empire, Luke found out Vader was his father, but instead of putting away his lightsaber and talking about it, he overreacted and got his hand cut off. I mean, they worked it out eventually, but at what cost? Another Death Star was destroyed, Boba Fett got eaten by the Sarlacc and we got the Ewoks. It all could have been avoided if they just, you know, communicated. Let's face it: Ewoks suck, dude.

    • (talking about the dead guy)
      Miles: What happened to him?
      Radzinsky: He had an accident.
      Miles: What kind of accident?
      Radzinsky: He fell into a ditch.
      Miles: Is that a bullet hole in his head? The ditch had a gun?

    • Miles: (To Hurley, after he steals Hurley's notebook) Let's see what's going on in that piece of granite you call a head!

    • Hurley: So you two have been here for three years now, must be pretty tight, huh?
      Miles: Dr. Chang and I don't exactly travel in the same circles.
      Dr. Chang: I wasn't aware there were circles.
      Hurley: Great! We should all get together for a beer sometime. How awesome would that be?

    • Miles: (To Naomi) As much as hunting down a mass-murderer sounds really safe, uh... I'm gonna - I'm gonna pass.

    • (Referencing the dead body)
      Dr. Pierre Chang: How do you feel about polar bear feces? Because if you breathe one word of this, I'll have you shipped to Hydra Island so you can weigh turds for their ridiculous experiments.
      Hurley: Gross.

    • Hurley: (referring to Chang) That guy's a total douche.
      Miles: That douche is my dad.

    • Hurley: Dude, there's a bodybag back here. With a body in it.
      Miles: That's traditionally what you put in a bodybag.

  • NOTES (4)

    • Original International Air Dates:
      United Kingdom: April 19, 2009 on Sky One
      Australia: May 6, 2009 on Network 7
      Norway: May 13, 2009 on TVNorge
      Finland: May 28, 2009 on Nelonen
      Denmark: June 19, 2009 on Kanal 5
      Czech Republic: June 29, 2009 on AXN
      Spain: July 2, 2009 on FOX
      Belgium: October 5, 2009 on VT4

    • Featured music:
      -"It Never Rains In Southern California" by Albert Hammond.
      -"Love Will Keep Us Together" by The Captain & Tennille.

    • Although credited, Michael Emerson (Ben), Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond), Daniel Dae Kim (Jin), Terry O'Quinn (Locke), Naveen Andrews (Sayid), and Yunjin Kim (Sun) do not appear in this episode.

    • A Miles-centric episode.


    • The Empire Strikes Back
      Hurley makes a direct reference to Star Wars V and writer/producer George Lucas. The episode title also refers to this film, as it depicts the Battle of Hoth, the ice planet which was home to the Rebel base.

    • The title of this episode is a reference to the Academy Award winning 1959 movie Some Like It Hot. In the movie, the two main characters are a comedic duo and witness a mob murder, which is kind of similar to the plot of Miles and Hurley.

      This is the first time the title of an episode was an allusion to a movie.

    • Miles Davis: Miles' mother is a fan of this legendary jazz trumpeter and names Miles after him.

    • Hans Brinker, or the Silver Skates is a novel by American author Mary Mapes Dodge, first published in 1865. The novel takes place in the Netherlands. Sawyer refers to this tale when he asks if Juliet ever felt like the little Dutch boy with his finger in the dike.