BBC (ended 2012)
I had always assumed Morgana was younger than Arthur just because she behaved like a spoiled teenage child and I didn't think Uther would have had an affair whilst Vivian was still alive but, I have now seen the interview where they said she was 'older for a very good reason' and so have slowly been getting my head around that strange (to me) idea ever since.
As for Morgana and Merlin - I've always thought of him as younger than both Morgana and Arthur, but I don't think his knowledge or ability makes any difference to that fact. He was performing magic since before he could walk and has been educated by Gaius for what is now five years. No matter what age Morgana is she is way behind on him as far as magical education is concerned.
As for Agravaine, I'm thinking that he's telling Morgana that he think she is the rightful heir whilst, all the time, assuming the throne will come to him. Arthur has just confirmed that and so I'm expecting some serious double crossing (no spoilers, all guesses from what I saw last night)
Most of the actors have been very tight lipped about the ages - usually saying that all four are 'about the same age,' However, I did often refer to the time when Uther said to Morgana "you weren't around twenty years ago," in the first episode, I think. Which made many of us think he meant she was literally not born twenty years ago when Arthur was just about to turn twenty-one.
I think perhaps Uther meant 'you weren't here and you weren't old enough ..." Anyway, I think that's when most people assumed she was younger. That and her behaviour, as I said. She always seemed a bit of a child - even compared to series 1 Arthur.
Oh, and Katie is about three years older than Colin so I 'see' Morgana as looking older than Merlin but perhaps that's because I know of their real ages. The eldest of the four young leads is actually Angel!
I also would have liked to see more backstory for Agravaine. His motives at the moment are not clear at all. How did he come to be in league with Morgana? Why did she greet him with a knife in hand? She surely must have known who was coming to see her, so perhaps she just wanted to intimidate him. Considering what she did to the knights, why did she even need a knife to defend herself at all?
I loved the humour in the opening kitchen scene, in the corridor with Lancelot and the smile on Arthur's lips after he has admonished Merlin for failing to say thank you. lol. In fact, the interactions between Merlin/Arthur and Merlin/Lancelot were the most pleasing aspect of the episode for me. It was good to see Gwen looking prettier, and the scenes she had with Arthur and Lancelot were both touching in very different ways.
Does anyone else feel sorry for Uther? I found it hard to watch him so helpless and pitiful, even though you could argue he has come by his just desserts.
boom-moo wrote: I guess he blames Uther (let's not forget Uther also killed Agravaine's brother whom TPTB seem to have completely forget about) and by extension, Arthur. Having the throne removed from Uther's heir, the pursue of whom brought about Ygraine's death and given to Morgana, the child that Uther already had and neglected to acknowledge must be sweet revenge to Agravaine.
I also think she is older and maybe Uther had had an affair with Vivienne before he and Igraine were together. Can't think of a reason for him to betray Igraine when all he did after her death was just because of having lost her.
Anyway, as for Agravaine, I don't believe he is seeking revenge for Igraine's death fbecause if he loved his sister, he wouldn't try to have Arthur, her son and his own nephew, killed. He also said that he gave a promise to Igraine to look after Arthur. In my opinion, he wants the throne and that's the only reason for his actions and his partnership with Morgana. Time will tell.
I liked the episode although I don't like what has become of Uther. I hope he will be back on the horse soon because I think it is a bit too much to let him suffer that way all the time. Also, the music has changed, hasn't it? I could not recognize the familiar themes during the scenes, aside from the opening credits theme. Yes, it is darker and somehow different. Judging from this first episode, I liked the previous way of the show better.
"Considering what she did to the knights, why did she even need a knife to defend herself at all?" Maybe she just enjoys stabbing things.
It's seems that Gwen is the oldest, then Morgana, then Arthur then Merlin as the youngest out of the four.
I like to think Morgana was conceived outside of Uther's marriage to Igraine. But it seems he cheated on her. I'd like to think it was at least at a point where their relationship was really rocky, near the start after the happy period maybe. But that it got better. He certainly loved her a lot.
With Uther's words to Arthur in S3 EP9 I think it was where (Gili EP) Uther said he fought to get the thrown or something along those lines. I like to think he inherited it but had to fight to really become King and to be crowned and accepted and nt have it pulled from under him.