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Episode 4x08 'Lamia' discussion thread

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    boom-moo

    [1]Nov 17, 2011
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    Please post your opinions/comments/discussion topics on episode 4x08 "Lamia" here.

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    -Discussion is welcome, arguing is not.
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    Thank you

    (As per usual, I'll open a discussion thread for every new episode every Friday and keep it locked until Saturday. Past experience shows that comments posted before the episode airs tend to spoil the episode for spoiler free people and also, episode discussion threads that are opened days before their airing date tend to end up buried and reopened by different users which leads to confusion and clutter. Any comments regarding this episode should be done in the Spoilers thread until the episode has aired. Thank you.)

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    4x08 Masterlists:

    Episode 4x08 magic and spells:
    -Merlin tries to heal one of the Longstead sick people (using a spell).
    -Merlin makes a bandit hit himself with a club (using his mind).
    -Lamia enchants Sir Percival with an embrace (using her mind).
    -Lamia kisses Sir Elyan sick (using her mind).
    -Merlin reignites his torch (using a spell).
    -Lamia kisses Sir Percival sick (using a spell).
    -Lamia makes Sir Leon's sword fly away from his hand, gives him a blow to his stomach and blasts him against a wall (using her mind).
    -Lamia blasts Merlin against a wall (using her mind).
    -Merlin makes Sir Leon's sword levitate and strike Lamia (using a spell).
    -Merlin makes the ceiling tumble down (using a spell).
    -Merlin tries to stop the attack of the monster-Lamia (using his mind).

    Episode 4x08 RIP list:
    -Several random Longstead people, killed by Lamia.
    -Several random bandits, killed by the knights of Camelot.
    -Several Southron slave traders, killed by Lamia.
    -Lamia, killed by Arthur.

    Episode 4x08 Lives Saved list:
    -Merlin saves Sir Leon's life (by preventing the Lamia from killing him).
    -Gwen saves Merlin's life by hurting the Lamia.
    -Arthur saves Merlin and Gwen's lives by killing the monster-Lamia.
    -Gaius saves the sick Longstead people and the knights with his remedy.

    What Arthur calls Merlin:
    -

    What Merlin calls Arthur:
    -

    Times Sir Leon says "Sire":
    -None.

    Liar, liar:
    -(Offscreen) Lamia lies to the knights about wanting them to take her home.
    -Lamia lies to Elyan about not hurting him.
    -Lamia lies to Percival about thinking they might never find her.

    Arthur's attributes to being the great king of legend:
    -He says it is his responsibility to protect the people of his kingdom whoever they may be.
    -He trusts Gaius' opinion about Merlin acting as a physician despite harbouring some doubts about Merlin's capacity.
    -As soon as he suspects that something isn't right, he departs in search of his friends instead of just sending a patrol as suggested by Agravaine.
    -He checks on his knights' condition and thanks Gaius for taking care of them.

    Arthur is knocked unconscious or prevented from knowing about Merlin's magic:
    -Monster-Lamia is blocking Merlin from his sight when he is quietly performing magic.

    What Arthur says about magic:
    -Nothing.

    Potions made by Gaius:
    -Merlin (as acting Physician) says that a poultice of patchouli oil will stimulate the blood flow and a tincture of belladonna will stimulate the heart.
    -He treats the sick Longstead people and Sir Elyan, Sir Gwaine, Sir Gwaine and Sir Percival from the sickness provoked by Lamia.

    Gaius's smacks:
    -None.

    'I have faith Arthur will be a great king' statements:
    -None.

    Merlin and Great Dragon meetings:
    -None.

    Great Dragon's riddles:
    -None.

    Morgana's premonitory dreams:
    -None.

    Morgana's smirks of doom:
    -None.

    Agravaine's advances on Morgana:
    - None.

    Arthur and Gwen moments:
    -Gwen brings Mary's troubles to the King and he receives them in his chamber.
    -Arthur won't stop looking for Gwen even if he has to ride day and night.
    -When Arthur saves her from the moster-Lamia, she runs and jumps into his arms. He embraces her tightly, a big grin lighting his face.
    -Once the troubles are over, they walk away together, arms laced at each other's back.
    -Arthur calls her to his room to check that she is doing alright after all that she's been through. He says to be well aware of her loyalty and her wisdom but he confesses to be surprised by her 'fearless hero' side. He is impressed by the great courage she's showed equalling it to a knight's. She shows humility but he insists and tells her that he is proud of her. They kiss.

    Chestporns/Bodyporns:
    -Leon's half-chestporn.

    Dungeon time:
    -None.

    Fashion:

    Merlin:
    -Blue shirt, red scarf (day 2).
    -Red shirt, blue scarf and brown jacket with brown underjacket (day 3).
    -Red shirt, blue scarf and brown jacket with brown underjacket (day 4).
    -Red shirt, blue scarf and brown jacket with brown underjacket (day 5).
    -Red shirt, blue scarf and brown jacket with brown underjacket (day 6).
    -Red shirt, blue scarf and brown jacket with brown underjacket (day 7).

    Arthur:
    -Blue shirt and brown coat (day 2).
    -Blue shirt (day 4).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) with Camelot cloak (day 5).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) with Camelot cloak (day 6).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail (day 7).
    -Red shirt (day 8 ).

    Gwen:
    -Blue dress with white underdress (day 2).
    -Blue tunic, brown trousers and short purple cloak (day 3).
    -Blue tunic and brown trousers (day 4).
    -Blue tunic, brown trousers and short purple cloak.
    -Blue tunic, brown trousers and short purple cloak (day 5).
    -Blue tunic, brown trousers and short purple cloak (day 6).
    -Blue dress with white underdress (day 8 ).

    Gaius:
    -Green robe with brown sleeveless coat (day 2).
    -Green robe.
    -Maroon robe (day 3).
    -Green robe (day 4).
    -Maroon robe (day 5).
    -Maroon robe (day 7).

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    ACDiNosey

    [2]Nov 19, 2011
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    Oh nasty knights.... I must say the actors were very believable in my opinion. It was a decent filler episode, and its atmosphere was rather unpleasant, which was well done...

    To those in the spoiler thread who had their say about it: It was Sir Leon... I was alone but I was right. HA! (sorry, ending gloating now). Couple of points that made me laugh. 1- What is it about a random place (in the woods or in the castle) that makes it safe?
    2- Where did Lamia go when she died?
    3- I'm glad Gwen didn't go much further than that, or she would have finished naked, with all the strips she kept taking out of her tunic
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    boom-moo

    [3]Nov 19, 2011
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    This one kind of dragged for me, it felt more like a filler than I thought it would although I'm with AC that they did a good job at creating an unpleasant atmosphere. It was interesting watching the knights behaving out of character although it wasn't quite enough to keep me 100% into it.

    ACDiNosey wrote:
    To those in the spoiler thread who had their say about it: It was Sir Leon... I was alone but I was right. HA! (sorry, ending gloating now).
    Lol, I didn't even notice
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    ACDiNosey

    [4]Nov 19, 2011
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    What annoyed me most was the fact that the girl lookeed so much like Freya to me. And I didn't like the A/G at the end, but hey...
    I would have liked an apology from at least one knight though

    I agree it was a filler ep and maybe a bit slow, but hey, we'd get bored if all eps were beyond brilliant
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    boom-moo

    [5]Nov 19, 2011
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    ACDiNosey wrote:
    I would have liked an apology from at least one knight though
    Indeed! Poor Merlin

    I liked Arthur and Gaius teaming up together. And Agravaine doing his best to remove marks of the knights' trail.

    And what was the Lamia as a beast? Cause it didn't look like a serpent to me. It was cool that her eyes went green instead of yellow though.
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    pcdsa

    [6]Nov 19, 2011
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    So so for me. I thought it was going to be an Arthur-free episode going by last week's trailer so I'm pleased he was around. Best bit was Gwen trying to save Merlin and A/G hug and kiss.
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    dpebbleson

    [7]Nov 19, 2011
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    pcdsa wrote:
    Best bit was Gwen trying to save Merlin and A/G hug and kiss.


    And I would think you were enchanted by the trailer for the next episode!

    --

    Anyways, yeah, it's a filler episode. At first I wasn't much impressed, but the whole "unpleasant" atmosphere AC mentioned kicked in, and it felt like an episode from a horror show. "Merlin" actually does horror rather well, and the whole ambient reminded me of "The Thing".


    What I also liked is when they entered the Mines of Moria the deserted, creepy fortress, especially the tomb of Balin that skeleton-filled room, I was simply waiting for the cry: to the bridge of Khazad-dum!


    I very much liked the music, especially in the scene where Guinevere tears her tunic and wraps it around the branch.


    Scenery was wonderful as well. Was that village the same as in "The Moment of Truth"?


    All in all, a very solid episode for me.

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    boom-moo

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    dpebbleson wrote:

    I very much liked the music, especially in the scene where Guinevere tears her tunic and wraps it around the branch.

    Ah yes. And the comeback of the fighting in the market track from season 1 during the goofy fight scene.

    dpebbleson wrote:
    Scenery was wonderful as well. Was that village the same as in "The Moment of Truth"?
    It was
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    dpebbleson

    [9]Nov 19, 2011
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    boom-moo wrote:
    Ah yes. And the comeback of the fighting in the market track from season 1 during the goofy fight scene.


    I was very surprised to learn they wouldn't issue soundtrack. Not only have they rearranged old melodies so they sound "refreshed" and almost new, but I seem to find new and exciting music in every episode worth playing in a loop...

    To quote magical monsters all over: good job, Show!
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    boom-moo

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    ACDiNosey wrote:
    To those in the spoiler thread who had their say about it: It was Sir Leon... I was alone but I was right. HA! (sorry, ending gloating now)
    Yep, you were right all along, well spotted love!

    dpebbleson wrote:
    I was very surprised to learn they wouldn't issue soundtrack. Not only have they rearranged old melodies so they sound "refreshed" and almost new, but I seem to find new and exciting music in every episode worth playing in a loop...
    I know, I've enjoyed the music a lot during all the series so far. It'd be interesting to know how much of a profit they made with the two soundtracks that are out.
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    dpebbleson

    [11]Nov 19, 2011
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    boom-moo wrote:
    Yep, you were right all along, well spotted love! [/QUOTE]

    Now that it's no longer spoilery, what was the whole debate about?

    Btw, Sir Leon clearly lost against Gwaine, hahahaha...
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    boom-moo

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    One of the promotional pics had Lamia on her fours over a fallen knight on the ground, but we could only get to see the nose and part of the beard of the knight. AC said it was Sir Leon, I (and others) said it was Gwaine but she got it right
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    dpebbleson

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    boom-moo wrote:
    One of the promotional pics had Lamia on her fours over a fallen knight on the ground, but we could only get to see the nose and part of the beard of the knight. AC said it was Sir Leon, I (and others) said it was Gwaine but she got it right


    Well, AC is, after all, the proto-Leonette

    Curious how Lamia was pretty honest from the beginning. She did say she was a lamia Had the Gaius come with them, he would have known right away.

    Guinevere has noticed something about Merlin, I hope they use it. The whole thing with Merlin being the only one unaffected reminded me of Morgana in "The Fires of Idirsholas".
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    legend-dreamer

    [14]Nov 19, 2011
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    I am in agreement with everyone else here, this was a filler episode. It was nice to see the KOTR have their own episode. Even though it was with them fighting each other because of Lamia (and being mean to Merlin, we know they didn't any of it ) I guess they will all think twice before kissing any strange ladies.


    Gwen saving Merlin was great, it was nice to see her showing she can fight as well as any man or Knight. Hope we get to see her doing more fight scenes in another episode. She even surprised Arthur with her fighting skills. (I know Angel Coulby has said she would like to see Gwen as a warrior Queen, able to hold her own when it comes to a battle.)


    ACDiNosey wrote:
    To those in the spoiler thread who had their say about it: It was Sir Leon... I was alone but I was right. HA! (sorry, ending gloating now).


    Gloat away, you have every right to gloat. You definitely know Sir Leon's facial features very well!

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    BrightlyLit

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    Well, you know me. I'm happy to see Gwen getting to do stuff apart from the romantic story lines. It was also nice to see the acknowledgment of her sibling relationship with Elyan. I think what I liked best, however, was the heavy dose of the Gwen/Merlin friendship which has always been a favorite for me.


    I do want to say, however, that as an Arwen fan it's always been a complaint of mine that while the couple can't realistically have a lot of actual screen time together because of the fact that the Merlin/Arthur relationship has to have priority on this show, I've always felt they could stick in more things in the dialogue which would help to develop the relationship and give it progression. I believe that was done well in this episode: Arthur's comments to his uncle which accentuated Guinevere's importance to him, including what he said about the strips of cloth. The scenes at the end took up little time, but certainly emphasized Arthur/Gwen's importance to each other, which to me is necessary to what may come in future events. Well, it's necessary period. If they have a relationship, the writers need to see to it that it's developed in various ways, even when the couple is not the focus. I loved the way she jumped on him in the cave and the relaxed moment together in his chambers and the earnest way he told her he was proud of her. This to me is how they should be acting together and both these scenes gave it a lot more realism.

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    boom-moo

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    dpebbleson wrote:
    Guinevere has noticed something about Merlin, I hope they use it.
    Me too, here is hope her memory is better than Arthur's and those who have been around Merlin when 'funny' things have happened

    legend-dreamer wrote:
    Gwen saving Merlin was great, it was nice to see her showing she can fight as well as any man or Knight.
    It was a nice change, even though I don't get why she tags along. Guess it didn't sound too risky of a mission and since her friends were involved she wanted to help.
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    xxEsterr

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    Lamia looked like some kind of octopus to me

    I must have missed the part where Gwen teared her clothes (I was in the kitchen real quickly haha) I already found it strange that Arthur found a perfectly tied up piece of strip haha

    I liked this filler episode and of course the Merlin/Arthur banter at the end

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    legend-dreamer

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    boom-moo wrote:
    legend-dreamer wrote:
    Gwen saving Merlin was great, it was nice to see her showing she can fight as well as any man or Knight.
    It was a nice change, even though I don't get why she tags along. Guess it didn't sound too risky of a mission and since her friends were involved she wanted to help.


    I am guessing it's because she knew Jim and Mary Howden?? How wasn't really explained, but I am guessing they used to work at Camelot because Jim knew Gaius by name (when they arrived from Camelot Jim askedGwen why Gaius didn't come).*shrugs*

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    Who kills the monster-Lamia? Arthur? He is holding his sword behind his body when the moster falls to the ground, but it seems to have something stuck at its back.
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