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Episode 5x01 'Arthur's Bane Part 1' discussion thread

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    boom-moo

    [21]Oct 6, 2012
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    PenguinSuzie wrote:
    Yes but Arthur didn't find out his name until after he'd taken him into the forest, and for all he knew Merlin hadn't interacted with him before helping Arthur rescue him.
    Yeah but Merin was allowed to stay and listen when the whole thing was being planned and surely Arthur then realized that Merlin had been part of it all along (helping Morgana out) way before Arthur even caught wind of it. The fact that Arthur only asked for the boy's name at the end doesn't mean that Merlin and Morgana couldn't have known about it. In my opinion, I don't think that Arthur should find it strange.

    As for Merlin freaking out and wanting Arthur out of trouble that desperately, I think that it is justified. The Druid tells him: "Unless you act quickly, Emrys, even you cannot alter the never-ending circle of his fate". He urges Merlin to do something, speaks of a threat that sounds pretty inminent so with a confrontation with Morgana around the corner I find it logical for Merlin to try to avoid it.
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    PendragonLady

    [22]Oct 6, 2012
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    When Merlin has the vision of Arthur and Mordred, I noticed that it looked like Mordred's shoulder guards bore the outline of the snakes seen in Morgana's visionfrom "The Darkest Hour." Was that really there, or did I imagine it?

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    PenguinSuzie

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    I got the impression that Arthur didn't think Merlin knew anything about the boy until they talked about making a plan and since Arthur asked Mordred's name they must not have called him by name while making the plan. I suppose Arthur could think that Merlin knew the boy or found out his name afterwards. Even so; he wouldn't know that Merlin really knows him enough to be the one who instantly recognizes him. I would sort of expect Arthur to just brush something like that off though, he doesn't usually notice the small things.

    Edited on 10/06/2012 4:58pm
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    boom-moo

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    PenguinSuzie wrote:

    Even so; he wouldn't know that Merlin really knows him enough to be the one who instantly recognizes him.

    I see your point, very true. But I think you are right also in that Arthur probably won't give it a second thought.

    Question: who is The Euchdag supposed to be? The creepy alien in the mines? It's played by a woman (Josette Simon) so ruling all the other characters apart that's my best guess.
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    boom-moo wrote:
    PenguinSuzie wrote:


    Even so; he wouldn't know that Merlin really knows him enough to be the one who instantly recognizes him.


    I see your point, very true. But I think you are right also in that Arthur probably won't give it a second thought. Question: who is The Euchdag supposed to be? The creepy alien in the mines? It's played by a woman (Josette Simon) so ruling all the other characters apart that's my best guess.
    Isn't the Euchdag the creepy old woman who gave Morgana the coin to raise Lancelot from the dead?


    Edit: NVM I was thinking of something else. I think it's creepy alien in the mines.

    Edited on 10/06/2012 6:46pm
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    boom-moo wrote:
    PenguinSuzie wrote:


    Even so; he wouldn't know that Merlin really knows him enough to be the one who instantly recognizes him.


    I see your point, very true. But I think you are right also in that Arthur probably won't give it a second thought. Question: who is The Euchdag supposed to be? The creepy alien in the mines? It's played by a woman (Josette Simon) so ruling all the other characters apart that's my best guess.



    Here you go: An image of The Euchdag alongside an image of Josette Simon. It look a little bit like her... The shape of her face has been modified a bit... XD


    http://imageshack.us/f/100/euchdag.jpg/


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    fantasyfreak77

    [27]Oct 6, 2012
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    This episode.... I have never fangirl-squealed so much in a single episode. I attribute that to becoming spoiler-free this season.


    It's already darker than every past season, and what I found so incredible was (not mentioning the epicness of Colin juggling, Bradley's facial expressions throughout, and the bromance and banter that just had me cooing) that the Knights seem to be making more of a contribution overall. Last series, it was a bit weird and... shaky. Example: I know a lot of people were upset that Gwaine wasn't as awesome as he was in s3, but here, I see that they're working for more character development with ALL of them.


    On a side note, the eye candy and eye/chest porn they gave us this episode was MARVELOUS.


    Second side note, ALEX NAILED ASA'S STARE AND SMIRK! Kudos to him for being so badass!

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    TreasuredPast

    [28]Oct 7, 2012
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    Overall I was very impressed with this episode. Gwen holding her own as queen was awesome. Her transition to Queen of Camelot was incredibly well done. Especially in Arthur's absence, Gwen is absolutely believable as Queen. Very much enjoyed the way the writers have transitioned her character.


    I really enjoyed the Arthur/Merlin comraderie in this episode. Especially when Merlin vows to Arthur that he would die at his side, very reminiscent of The Labyrinth of Gedref. I really missed that sense of deep loyalty in the past few seasons.


    Loved the Gwaine/Percival eye candy, but what in the hell was that creature? It wasn't even weird in a good way, it was just plain weird, and in my opinion, totally out of place. Not sure what the writers were thinking there.


    Something else that bugged me... Arthur mentions throughout the episode that he would readily give his life saving/trying to find his men, and that he knows his knights would do the same for him. Yet when the knights lose Arthur in battle, what do they do? Turn around and ride back to Camelot, instead of searching for/going to rescue their king! Is anyone else bugged by this?


    And one more thing... Mordred walking out of the woods sent a chill up my spine. It was almost as if some little voice in my head said, (in dramatic fashion) "And so begins the end." It was quite a frightening moment.

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    boom-moo

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    Thank you very much yafu2 and xfairylightx for your replies. Mystery solved

    TreasuredPast wrote:

    what in the hell was that creature? It wasn't even weird in a good way, it was just plain weird, and in my opinion, totally out of place.

    Too alineish and sci-fi looking for my taste, I had the very same feeling. However, if I had to choose between it and the Lamia-monster I would be seriously troubled At least the CGI was way better done this time.
    TreasuredPast wrote:

    Something else that bugged me... Arthur mentions throughout the episode that he would readily give his life saving/trying to find his men, and that he knows his knights would do the same for him. Yet when the knights lose Arthur in battle, what do they do? Turn around and ride back to Camelot, instead of searching for/going to rescue their king! Is anyone else bugged by this?

    I guess that they searched for them and not finding them, they thought it was more likely that Arthur and Merlin had turned back to gather more men than going on on their own. It was only when when they arrived to Camelot that they realized that it hadn't been the case. Morgana and co. were still around so coming back to check if the king was home and even if he wasn't, to get reinforcements themselves and part on his search again isn't such a bad idea, cowardly as it might seem.
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    illegalferret

    [30]Oct 7, 2012
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    Well that was good


    I'm really annoyed with myself, I set out with the intention of writing a great review of my thoughts concerning this episode and now i can structure my thoughts at all


    I really enjoyed this episode the whole feel of it for me was fantastic. Through out the episode Merlin and Arthur's relationship was central, no re-set here, they bickered with each other but there was no bad feelings behind it, they looked out for each and could tell when something was up. The set up with Merlin's vision of the future was very good, with the Druid telling Merlin that Arthur's Bane was very close and Merlin and Arthur's fears that a battle was imminent, it's no wonder Merlin looked so spooked! It was nice how Arthur noticed and didn't resort to punching him to cheer him up!


    Guinevere makes for an interesting queen, i thought it was nice how she treated Seffa kindly and with respect (well up until she decided to have her killed!) It was a nice nod to her past. The Knights all got their own little moment, it was nice to see Gwaine back to his series 3 self, not so much the bumbling idiot more action hero I think the thing at the end meant to be a spirit of some sort but yes it did look like an alien!


    Mordred wondering in right at the end was very good. Merlin's face was a picture, Arthur too looked a little shocked/bemused by his reappearance. That look he gave at the end was perfect, he's got Asa's Mordred creepy dead eye look down to to a T. Still creeps me out!


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    boom-moo

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    The mystery of the two empty chairs at the Round Table is solved too: Gwaine and Percival.

    _____________

    Shall we do the masterlists again? I'd like to, if only for continuation's sake.

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    ACDiNosey

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    I'd love to do the lists again, yes! I wasn't very keen of the cave CGI... It didn't feel quite right to me for some reason... The alien is too sci-fi ish... It reminded me greatly of the creatures of the brooks and rivers that saved Merlin in 4x02.
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    boom-moo

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    Good, here I go then.

    Episode 5x01 magic and spells:
    -Merlin can hear Lochru’s telepathic call.
    -Lochru gives Merlin a vision of the future in the water.
    -Merlin uses his Dragonlord power to summon the Great Dragon.
    -Merlin uses magic to juggle.
    -Ruadan prays in an ancient speech.
    -Ruadan blows a torch off and suddenly appears at Sefa’s side, knife to her neck.
    -Merlin conjures up a snake to startle the Saxons’ horses.
    -The Euchdag heals Gwaine.

    As per usual, feel free to add, edti, etc.

    I assume that Ruadan is praying and the Euchdag healing.
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    legend-dreamer

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    It sounds like Colin is using a more deeper tone to his voice for Merlin, it definitely makes him sounder more mature. I read a comment somewhere else that the deeper tone is closer to the tone in his natural Irish accent.

    One moment in the show I really enjoyed was Arthur walking over to Merlin to find out was bothering him. It showed how far their friendship has come that (a) Arthur noticed Merlin alone and aloof from the others, (b) there was no hesitation he went over to talk, and ( c ) he made sure to bring Merlin back into the group. It was a great way to show the development of their relationship.

    I agree that the CGI for the Euchdag feels out of place for a show like Merlin. They probably want it to be some sort of magical creature but it looks like a blue alien. We will have to see how the Euchdag and the Diamir/Key fit in together
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    legend-dreamer wrote:
    One moment in the show I really enjoyed was Arthur walking over to Merlin to find out was bothering him. It showed how far their friendship has come that (a) Arthur noticed Merlin alone and aloof from the others, (b) there was no hesitation he went over to talk, and ( c ) he made sure to bring Merlin back into the group. It was a great way to show the development of their relationship.
    (d) Arthur offered Merlin food (he sure tried to cheer him up! )

    Arthur also noticed that Merlin was upset in Annis' castle and asked him to tell him why. It says quite a lot that Arthur pays attention to Merlin, tthat he has come to know (he's showed it in the past as well) when something is bothering Merlin and above all, that he listens to Merlin's advice time and again, even if he refuses to follow it. And it happens like 4 or 5 times during the episode no less!

    I also enjoyed this:

    Merlin: Arthur, without you, Camelot is nothing. All that we've worked so hard to create. Everything will be gone.
    Arthur: Look, no matter what adversity we face, we stand for what is right. To betray our beliefs, Merlin, that is what would destroy everything we've strived for.


    Arthur sounds like a 'royal we' but Merlin doesn't. I like it that Arthur sort of acknowledged that Merlin has had a part in the state of thigs.
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    It's really nice to see the development and maturity of their friendship. There were a lot of great moment this episode that highlighted how far they've come.


    I must admit that I no longer even really have any sympathy for Morgana and her cause. (Which had a purpose at the start that you could sympathize with.) By this point I think it's more about what power she can get, rather than the hope of bringing magic back to Camelot. It's about revenge and decimating her enemies and having no mercy even for the innocent people who have nothing to do with her war. I really liked how they handled her story in S1&2, where you could see her personality flaws and how she'd eventually fight against them, but she was nice and caring and the kind of person that initially just wanted to make a difference. She always stepped back from the edge right before she did something awful. She fully became the villain in S3 without any of the previous positive qualities and just became crueler as it went on. It would be nice to see some dilemma or sadness from her. Some sort of conflict occasionally, or if they highlighted her madness.

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    I have no sympathy for Morgana. She put her own issues above everything else. She's worried more about what she views as rightfully hers and her anger over Uther not acknowledging that she is his daughter. Had she not been so obsessed with Arthur failing as king and killing Uther magic would no longer be outlawed as old Merlin had struck a deal with Arthur that by healing his father people of magic would no longer be hunted and could live freely. People of magic are still living in silence and outlawed because of Morgana's bitterness and selfishness. Arthur feels the way he feels about magic directly because of her actions. She's using the fact she has magic and is not free is persecuted because of it as an excuse to play out her Daddy issues. Morgana has done more to harm the people of magic and keep them in their situation than anyone.

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    What Arthur calls Merlin:
    -Fool (implied).

    What Merlin calls Arthur:
    -Ass.
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    boom-moo wrote:


    I also enjoyed this:

    Merlin: Arthur, without you, Camelot is nothing. All that we've worked so hard to create. Everything will be gone.
    Arthur: Look, no matter what adversity we face, we stand for what is right. To betray our beliefs, Merlin, that is what would destroy everything we've strived for.


    Arthur sounds like a 'royal we' but Merlin doesn't. I like it that Arthur sort of acknowledged that Merlin has had a part in the state of thigs.


    YES, BM!!! I noticed that, too, and I don't think there's ever been a more clever indication of their friendship's growth.
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    It's about the first time that it's felt real indeed, Oz

    Now, homework for pcdsa:

    Arthur's attributes to being the great king of legend:
    -Arthur has his own Round Table and holds meetings around it. He welcomes those attending and addresses them as “Noble Knights of Camelot, countrymen, friends”.
    -He doesn’t hesitate to part in search of the missing knights because “the Knights of Camelot do not abandon their own”.
    -Even though he knows he might be walking into a trap orchestrated by Morgana, he insists on going in search of his men because they have “fought for me, bled for me”.
    -He shares a bond with his fellow Knights of the Round Table which binds him to risk his life for them.
    -He has managed to establish a respectful alliance with Queen Annis, who considers him “a good ally”.
    -He focuses on the positive side of the information that Queen Annis provides him with. The possibility that his men may still be alive gives his wings to carry on.
    -He realizes that something is off with Merlin and wants to hear about it.
    -He is determined to follow through with his mission and ignores Merlin’s advice to turn back.
    -Arthur notices that Merlin is upset and aloof from the others and walks over to him, keeping him company and showing an interest to know what is troubling him. After their talk, he brings Merlin back into the group.
    -Arthur cares about his men more than he cares about himself. For Arthur, his men are “more than friends, more than brothers. No matter what lies ahead of me I won't abandon them, as I know they would not abandon me”.
    -He rushes to help Sir Leon when he is wounded by Ruadan.
    -After being wounded and losing consciousness, his first concern after coming around is for his men.
    -Once again, Arthur doesn’t want to hear about Merlin’s advice to go back to Camelot.
    -Despite Merlin tells him about the Druid seer’s warning, Arthur is determined to carrying on against all odds: “even if what he said were true, it makes no difference.”
    -“No matter what adversity we face, we stand for what is right. To betray our beliefs, Merlin, that is what would destroy everything we've strived for. I swear I'm going to rescue my men... or die trying.”
    -Arthur tries to protect Merlin when he realizes that he is about to fall into a trap.
    -As a last wish, Arthur asks Ragnor to let Merlin go.
    -Arthur is ready to defend Merlin when he decides to stay and fight Ragnor.
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