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Episode 5x05 'The Disir' discussion thread

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    boom-moo

    [1]Nov 3, 2012
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    Please post your opinions/comments/discussion topics on episode 5x05 "The Disir" here.

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    -Discussion is welcome, arguing is not.
    -Trolls won't be fed, ignore and report it is.
    -Be respecful, keep it cool.



    Thank you

    (As per usual, I'll open a discussion thread for every new episode every Friday and keep it locked until Saturday. Past experience shows that comments posted before the episode airs tend to spoil the episode for spoiler free people and also, episode discussion threads that are opened days before their airing date tend to end up buried and reopened by different users which leads to confusion and clutter. Any comments regarding this episode should be done in the Spoilers thread until the episode has aired. Thank you.)

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    5x05 Masterlists:

    Episode 5x05 magic and spells:
    -The Disir chant a spell and perform an Old Religion ritual.
    -Osgar unarms Elyan and Gwaine.
    -Osgar blasts Elyan and Gwaine away with a spell and knocks them out against some trees.
    -Merlin can sense that the Grove of Brineved is spiritual/magical.
    -Mordred recognizes the charms in the Grove.
    -The Disir attack Arthur with a staff.
    -Merlin diverts the trajectory of the Disir’s staff using his mind.
    -Mordred’s life is saved by magic.

    Episode 5x05 RIP list:
    -Sir Ranulf killed by Osgar.
    -Osgar killed by Gwaine.

    Episode 5x05 Lives Saved list:
    -Mordred saves Arthur’s life by getting in the way of a staff thrown at him.
    -Arthur (indirectly) saves Mordred’s life by rejecting the Old Religion.

    What Arthur calls Merlin:
    -He jokes that Merlin’s face resembles the back end of a cat. -Bad servant.
    -(Implied) Wise.

    What Merlin calls Arthur:
    -

    Times Sir Leon says “Sire”:
    -1.

    Liar, liar:
    -

    Arthur's attributes to being the great king of legend:
    -He has seen potential in Mordred and is willing to encourage him to become a great knight.
    -He is determined to lead a patrol to bring Osgard to justice. He thinks that a King must lead despite having many fine knights who could do that in his stead.
    -He considers Sir Ranulf not only a fellow knight but a friend since they knew each other since they were boys. -He trusts that he will be perfectly safe because he has many fine knights around him.
    -He is up for giving people a chance to show their worth.
    -He joins in the knights’ jokes.
    -He tries to cheer Merlin up when he realizes that he is miserable.
    -He is concerned about Merlin since he hadn’t seen him smile for a few days.
    -He values Merlin’s opinion and asks for it “man to man”.
    -He realizes that Merlin is right and starts to ponder about Osgar’s motives to give up his life so that he would get the rune.
    -He reckons that there wasn’t madness or hatred in Osgar’s eyes but pity and wonders why a sorcerer would pity a King.
    -He starts to consider if he might have done something wrong, transgressed in some way and put Camelot in danger since the Disir have found him wanting. -Merlin, Gwen and the Disir agree that he has been an honourable king, making Camelot a fair and just kingdom.
    -He believes that every man, however humble, however noble, has the right to be judged only by his peers.
    -He feels responsible for Mordred’s misfortune and thinks that it was foolishness to let him join in the mission.
    -He goes to the Disir to beg for mercy so that Mordred’s life can be saved.
    -He would risk everything for any of his men, including Merlin.
    -He thinks that there’s no greater debt than owing someone his life and that it’s his duty to do all he can to repay it.
    -After being proven wrong he is prepared to admit that Merlin is right sometimes.
    -He kneels before the Disir, reckons that he and his men behaved with arrogance and stupidity, dishonouring their cave and insulting their faith and he humbly begs their forgiveness. -He petitions for Mordred’s life since his only crime was to sacrifice himself for his king.
    -He is interested in knowing why Merlin could tell that the cave was a secret place.
    -He is torn between saving Mordred’s life and allowing magic back and asks for Merlin’s advice. When Merlin hesitates to give it, Arthur implies that he is wise.
    -Arthur knows that it is not like Merlin being silent and insists on hearing his opinion.
    -Arthur considers if Uther might have been wrong and the Old Religion maybe not as evil as he thinks.
    -He is devastated to have condemned a man who saved his life twice to death.
    -He publicly pulls Mordred into a hug when he realizes that against all odds he has made a full recovery.

    Arthur is knocked unconscious or prevented from knowing about Merlin's magic:
    -He is running away from the Grove of Brineved and bringing Mordred to safety when Merlin diverts the trajectory of the Disir’s staff.

    What Arthur says about magic:
    -He thinks that Osgar’s message about the Disir’s judgement is “nonsense”.
    -He thinks that Osgar was “deranged” and that the runemark is nothing but “a trinket”.
    -When Gaius warns him that the rune is the judgement of the gods against him he still thinks that it’s all “nonsense”.
    -He doesn’t believe Merlin when he warns Arthur about the cave being a magical place and thinks that Merlin is being ridiculous about entering it unarmed.
    -“I fight against sorcery and superstition.”
    -He has seen the misery that unfettered sorcery brings. He reminds Merlin that before Uther outlawed magic, Camelot was almost destroyed by sorcery. He adds that in his own time Morgana has used magic for nothing but evil.
    -He tells the Disir that he has seen too much to allow sorcery again within Camelot.

    Potions made by Gaius:
    -None.

    Gaius's smacks:
    -None.

    'I have faith Arthur makes a great king' statements:
    -Merlin agrees with Arthur that he has made Camelot a fairer and more just kingdom, that he had rid it of the cruelties and injustices of the past and that he is not like Uther.
    -Gwen: Arthur, you are a good and just king.
    -The Disir agree with Arthur that he has been an honourable king and has made Camelot a fair and just kingdom.
    -Merlin says that he cares about the man and the king that Arthur is destined to become.
    -Merlin says that Arthur has created a just and fair kingdom for all.

    Merlin and Great Dragon meetings:
    -Merlin (31) so far where the Dragon tells Merlin that he has to make sure that Mordred dies.

    Great Dragon's riddles:
    -The future is never clear, Merlin. You should know that by now. There are many paths. Not all lead to Camelot's ruin.

    Aithusa meetings:
    -None.

    Morgana's premonitory dreams:
    -None.

    Morgana's smirks of doom:
    -None.

    Arthur and Gwen moments:
    -Gwen isn’t sure that Arthur should personally lead the search for Osgar after almost losing him when he rescued King Rodor but she understands and respects his decision.
    -Gwen is aware that Arthur has grown fond of Mordred.
    -Gwen goes down to the castle steps to see Arthur depart. They share an affectionate look and he smiles at her before he leaves.
    -Gwen asks Merlin to take care of Arthur. She knows it’s not always an easy task.
    -Gwen tries to make Arthur eat something since he didn’t have any dinner. He thinks she is kind and thanks her.
    -Gwen tells Arthur that Osgar and Disir were wrong in their judgement. She thinks he is a good and just king and that if they’d know him like she does they would just love him. She kisses his forehead and strokes his hair and he leans back against her arm for comfort.
    -Gwen reassures Arthur that what happened to Mordred wasn't his fault. She touches his back and grabs his arm as he talks to him.

    Chestporns/Bodyporns:
    -Mordred’s chestporn.

    Dungeon time:
    -None.

    Fashion:

    Merlin:
    -Blue shirt, red scarf and brown jacket (day 1).
    -Red shirt, blue scarf and brown jacket (day 2).
    -Red shirt, blue scarf and brown jacket (day 3).
    -White shirt.
    -Blue shirt, red scarf and brown jacket (day 4).
    -Blue shirt, red scarf and brown jacket (day 5).
    -Blue shirt, red scarf and brown jacket (day 6).

    Arthur:
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) (day 1).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail.
    -Red padded shirt.
    -Red shirt.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) and Camelot cloak (day 2).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) .
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) and Camelot cloak (day 3).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail.
    -Red padded shirt.
    -Red shirt.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) (day 4).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) .
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) and Camelot cloak.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) and Camelot cloak (day 5).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) .
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) and Camelot cloak.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) .
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) (day 6).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) and Camelot cloak.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) .

    Gwen:
    -Blue dress (day 1).
    -Purple dress (day 2).
    -Blue dress (day 3).
    -Purple dress (day 5).

    Gaius:
    -Green robe (day 1).
    -Maroon robe (day 3).
    -White nightgown.
    -Green robe (day 5).
    -Maroon robe (day 6).

    Edited on 11/09/2012 12:23pm
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    ACDiNosey

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    I really enjoyed this episode. It was much more profound than most of what we've seen so far, and I thought the twist at the end was very well thought out, plot-wise.

    The campfire scene between Arthur and Merlin was extremely powerful and beautifully acted on both sides. I was also nice to see how much their relationship has progressed since S4, in particular from Arthur's POV, as he really seems to care for Merlin and rely on him.

    The scene with Gwen was sweet. It is interesting to see how the burdens of being king/having external pressures can make him seem more distant. I think Gwen understands that, and the moral support she's showing him is nicely portrayed. I feel sorry for Merlin and somehow, I feel this is not going to end well...
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    boom-moo

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    I agree, AC. Arthur's bane is truly himself.
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    ACDiNosey

    [4]Nov 3, 2012
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    and his over-reliance on Merlin's opinion... Merlin shouldn't have had to make that decision. Arthur IS the king, but at the moment he's mostly getting the credit for getting it right but relying too much on Merlin. If I hear "What would you do in my place" one more time, I'll probably have to buy a new tv (as I'll have smashed the current one).
    And I think his arrogance and selective hearing was really obvious. Oh, and I forgot to say... How close was Merlin to revealing his magic?!?!?!? However, it's worth pointing out that, for once, Arthur asked an intelligent/plot-worthy question! "How did you know the cave was sacred?". Not entirely oblivious, this week, Arthur?
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    PenguinSuzie

    [5]Nov 3, 2012
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    This episode is epic. I liked that taking a new young knight out to patrol was seen as a step and not just automatic and glazed over. It's a nice detail. Loving the shots of the castle we're getting this season. I'm glad Mordred didn't seem hurt by the friendly teasing. Aww at Arthur trying to make Merlin smile. This series really is quite visually stunning. Lots of lovely scenes, between Mordred and Merlin, Arthur and Merlin, Arthur and Gwen, Arthur and Mordred. Cute scene at the end there.


    I HATE THAT MERLIN SAID NO TO MAGIC Does Merlin not realized that he pretty much just damned Arthur/Camelot and caused all he was trying to stop from happening to actually come to pass. It seemed obvious that it was the wrong choice and would cause everything even before we saw a healthy Mordred.

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    ACDiNosey

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    It's always easy to see things like that in hindsight. He was trying to condemn Mordred to die so that the future would not come to pass, but couldn't have realised that by doing so, he would condemn Arthur to his fate (i.e. Mordred being better).
    The last scene from the corridor with Gaius seems to show that he totally realises how bad things are now and that he obviously made the wrong decision... My point is more that he shouldn't have had to make that decision...
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    boom-moo

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    But "the destiny of a great kingdom rests on the shoulders of a young man... Merlin". Never truer
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    PenguinSuzie

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    I do like that Arthur wanted his opinion about it and trusted him enough etc but it shouldn't have been Merlin that had to make the decision in the first place. I think it just makes me sad, poor Merlin he can never catch a break, he has to make such huge decisions and then finds out that destiny screwed him again. Like the other times he's tried to change the future it just bounces back on him. He's never not getting smacked by fate's bitch-slap.


    The fact that this was a huge moment and opportunity, he was so CLOSE to bringing magic back, it just makes it that much more frustrating.

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    lilyflower1345

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    Wow, I'm not really sure what to think about this episode. The scene where Merlin tells Arthur there's no place for magic was heartbreaking. Colin Morgan's acting there was amazing. That may be his best scene ever acting wise. I can see why Merlin did what he did, even if I hate it. He thought it was the only way to save Arthur's life. And the fact that he was willing to sacrifice something so important to him for Arthur was touching.


    But I'm kind of surprised that he didn't take the Disir's warnings more seriously. He normally heeds any magical warnings he receives. But instead he was so stuck on the idea that Mordred had to die, that he told Arthur to ignore their warnings. It seems like Merlin should have trusted more in the Disir. Aren't they supposed to be the spokespeople of the god of the old religion? I guess he trusted in what the dragon told him. He certainly has more of a history with the dragon. And the Disir didn't come off too trustworthy, they seemed a bit arrogant to me. So I suppose that's why Merlin didn't trust them. But I still wish he had.


    The whole foreshadowing to Arthur's death is definitely making me nervous. The Disir's line about how this was Arthur's last chance was scary. I'm getting worried over how this is all going to turn out.


    It's interesting how they've made Mordred so likable. It makes him a much more interesting character. It's also a bit sad thinking how things might be different if Merlin trusted him, instead of treating him like an enemy. Of course Merlin has good reasons to, but still. That scene where Merlin is marking the grave of the sorcerer was good. The line Mordred said about them being unmarked in death as in life was a great line.


    I liked how you could see how much Arthur trusted Merlin's opinion in the campfire scene. Their relationship has come a long way, so I liked seeing that. But I agree with you guys that it seems that Arthur just pushed the decision off on Merlin.

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    Clothes
    Arthur- Chain-mail, brown trousers (Day 1, Day 2, Day 3, Day 4, Day 5, Day 6), Same with red cape (Day 2, Day 3, Day 4, Day 5, Day 6), Red jacket, red shirt with brown trousers and belt (Day 3), Red shirt, brown trousers and belt (Day 3),
    Merlin- Blue top w/red neckerchief, brown jacket and brown trousers (Day 1, Day 3, Day 4, Day 5, Day 6), Red top, blue neckerchief and brown trousers (Day 2, Day 3), White night shirt (and brown trousers I think?) (Day 3),
    Gaius- Green/brown robes with embroidery (Day 1, Day 5), Red robes w/gloves (Day 3, Day 6), White night robes (Day 3)
    Gwen- Bright blue dress (Day 1, Day 3), Lilac dress (Day 2, Day 5),


    Number of times Leon calls Arthur Sire.
    1


    Magic
    - The Disir do a ritual.
    - Asga (sp?) blasts Gwaine & Elyan away twice.
    (- Merlin senses the place is spiritual/magical)
    -The Disir use magic to attack the group.
    - Merlin uses magic to stop spear.
    (- Merlin senses the place is spiritual/magical)
    (- Mordred survives, possibly magical)


    Arthur and Gwen moments
    Gwen and Arthur talk.
    Gwen reassures Arthur, then kisses him and strokes his hair.
    Gwen reassures Arthur that what happened to Mordred wasn't his fault.

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    boom-moo

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    lilyflower1345 wrote:

    I can see why Merlin did what he did, even if I hate it. He thought it was the only way to save Arthur's life. And the fact that he was willing to sacrifice something so important to him for Arthur was touching.

    I think that at times Merlin puts the whole destiny thing in a second place and caring about the man, the friend that Arthur has become (now more than ever) comes first.
    lilyflower1345 wrote:

    But I'm kind of surprised that he didn't take the Disir's warnings more seriously. He normally heeds any magical warnings he receives. But instead he was so stuck on the idea that Mordred had to die, that he told Arthur to ignore their warnings. It seems like Merlin should have trusted more in the Disir. Aren't they supposed to be the spokespeople of the god of the old religion? I guess he trusted in what the dragon told him. He certainly has more of a history with the dragon. And the Disir didn't come off too trustworthy, they seemed a bit arrogant to me. So I suppose that's why Merlin didn't trust them. But I still wish he had.

    The Disir were strange. They tried to kill both Arthur and Merlin so they did just what they blame Arthur for. They didn't give the same positive vibe as other magical people who have sincerily warned Merlin in the past.
    lilyflower1345 wrote:

    The line Mordred said about them being unmarked in death as in life was a great line.

    Absolutely, I loved it!
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    lilyflower1345

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    boom-moo wrote:
    lilyflower1345 wrote:


    I can see why Merlin did what he did, even if I hate it. He thought it was the only way to save Arthur's life. And the fact that he was willing to sacrifice something so important to him for Arthur was touching.


    I think that at times Merlin puts the whole destiny thing in a second place and caring about the man, the friend that Arthur has become (now more than ever) comes first.


    Yeah, I agree. Merlin does seem to care more about Arthur as his friend than the destiny thing. It really shows the strength of his friendship and loyalty to Arthur. If he did care about the whole destiny thing more, I think I'd actually be annoyed. Because then it would feel like Merlin was just manipulating Arthur to get what he wants. As it is a few of his actions can come across as a bit manipulative. But the fact that he cares about Arthur more than all that makes it okay to me. Some of his actions can seem a bit iffy. But knowing he does everything out of concern for his friend makes it feel okay to me.


    The fact that he keeps making decisions like this one where he sacrifices his dreams for Arthur's safety says a lot about his motives. It's also a bit sad though. Merlin is so used to putting his needs and his dreams last. Maybe his decision in this episode was almost a force of habit. He's given up so much for Arthur and Camelot over the years. I want to see Merlin get his due and be recognized for what he's done.


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    PendragonLady

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    Very disappointed right now. Yes, I know there's still a chance for Merlin revealing his magic, but it seems slim to me after what he said tonight. I will continue to watch until the end of the show and purchase the rest of the DVDs, but some of the magic is gone for me.

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    XyFan

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    First question though: What episode was it when Mortrid was first introduced? i forgot.. if someone can tell me, let me know

    I'm typing this as i'm watching the series at the same time.

    It is funny how Arthur wanted to bow because he wanted to rescue Mortrid, not because of magic. And exact opposite to Merlin. He would have liked Arthur to accept the magic but let Mortrid die.
    He was literally asking for the thing Merlin wanted the most! I would have liked to see even more tears.. Arthur was torturing Merlin and not even knowing it.
    Answer.. answer.... No you did not just say that. Poor Merlin Arhur's life is indeed more important than letting magic to be but.. wow. How can you have another chance for allowing the magic .. Or did the 3 witches attack on purpose in first the first place so Arthur could end up accepting magic? Merlin maybe shouldn't have listened to the dragon..
    Would have been funny if Mortrid had healed himself somehow... AND HE DID?! NO WAY!!!
    FAIL! Merlin! You failed!




    This episode has so many good quotes. And as i was typing those out, i was trying to think of some funny scenes as well, i failed though..


    1. ''Seeing is not the same as knowing, And we must know for certain before we act.'' - Gaius


    2. Merlin: ''Judgement is wasted.. on a man, who doesn't listen.''


    3. Arthur: ''How could a sorcerer pity a king?''

    4. Gaius: ''What happened to the boy who came to my chambers few years ago?''
    Merlin: ''He grew up.''

    5. Merlin: '' There is a difference between Fate and Destiny.''


    6. Mortrid: ''Well, until then we go unmarked in death as in life.''




    My fail attempts of being funny:


    Also there were many things i didn't understand about all those 3 women and stuff but i hope you don't get angry with me if i joked about them and the crew.


    1. Scene: [about to leave Camelot]


    Qwen : *Merlin, Arthur doesn't need crew of fine knights on his side to protect him. One Merlin is good enough.* ''Merlin, you will take care of him!''
    Merlin: Well its not always that easy..


    2. Scene [Qwaine and Qwen's brother sneaking on old man]


    Qwaine *ready to backstab.* : Who are you? whats your purpose?
    Suspicious guy: Come on! can't a guy have a picnic in forest? But o well since you are knights, show me thy king.
    Quaine: Aww so i took my epic sword out for no reason? This cant be! *stabs*
    Guy: Oww.. Oh well.. Go die. *magic*magic*


    3. Scene [after what just happened]


    -- *Suspicious guy runs to the trio*---
    Guy: Hey Arthur, and 2 magic users! Want a cookie Arthur?
    Arthur: Yea sure.
    Guy : Its done.
    Arthur : Was ist the meaning of this?
    Guy: We wish to.. show we.. fate.. can also use more than one
    complex modulo integer which.. choose... contributes to dual ..Arthur..numbers in a complex null complex..not late.. modulo integer semigroup and construct dual complex.. path.. modulo number of any desired..chance.. dimension.
    Anywayz, Good luck Arthur! *dies*
    Arthur: Why cant no one describe important matters in simple sentences??


    4. Scene [after Merlin had gathered things to start fire]


    Mortrid: Merlin no problem, that guy was one of us. Btw i'm more concerned, always if someone else except Gaius finds out about your magic, they don't last for long..
    Merlin: Yea it is fishy. I'm amazed you have survived 3 episodes so far.
    Mortrid: *looks down*
    Merlin: Still i've said this before to some people, one day we will live in freedom again.
    Mortrid: You really believe it?
    Merlin: Well i'd be pretty mad if these 5 seasons + were just for nothing..*looks down*
    Mortrid: ''Well, until then we go unmarked in death as in life.'' *smiles*


    5. Scene [Arhur and everyone at nighttime]


    *halfdead Qwaine and Gwen's brother in the background*
    Arthur: Yea lets drink up guyz. Mission success!
    Mortrid: Err.. I did nothing..
    Merlin: Gratz.
    Arthur: Hey Merlin you can have my cookie. Fetch!


    6. Scene [Arthur's first visit to Gaius]


    Gaius: Thank you for coming. Have a seat. Arthur this isn't a cookie. It's a biscuit.
    *Merlin staring*
    Arthur: Any difference?
    *Merlin staring*
    Gaius: Likewise we can in P replace ..3 women.. the row matrices by column matrices and adopt the natural product of matrices matrices with..final words.. once again the natural product on matrices or square matrices with entries from the set {0, g1, g2, g3} and with usual matrix product and get using the same ring different dimensional finite complex modulo dual numbers.
    *Merlin staring*
    Arthur: Why cant no one describe important matters in simple sentences??!
    *Merlin staring*
    Gaius: Gods are against you.
    *Merlin staring*
    Arthur: Ah damn. That is nonsense, surely.
    *Merlin still staring*
    Arthur: I don't get any of this, i'm leaving.
    Gaius: Do you?
    Arhur: Gaius, please?
    *Merlin: if i stare-act like this all the time, and get paid..*
    Gaius: If you haven't noticed, i'm old. Believe it.
    *Merlin: .. my life would be perfect*
    Arthur: *Tries stare-acting as well*


    I was too lazy to do any more. Overall, Loved how deep this episode was.

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    PenguinSuzie

    [15]Nov 3, 2012
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    Mordred first appeared in season one EP8 The Beginning of the End.
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    boom-moo

    [16]Nov 3, 2012
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    XyFan wrote:
    First question though: What episode was it when Mortrid was first introduced? i forgot.. if someone can tell me, let me know
    1x08 "The Beginning of the End". And it's "Mordred"

    Lol at scenes 1 and 5!

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    Sorry PenguinSuzie, we posted at the same time.

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    PenguinSuzie wrote:

    Clothes
    Arthur- Chain-mail, brown trousers (Day 1, Day 2, Day 3, Day 4, Day 5, Day 6), Same with red cape (Day 2, Day 3, Day 4, Day 5, Day 6), Red jacket, red shirt with brown trousers and belt (Day 3), Red shirt, brown trousers and belt (Day 3),
    Merlin- Blue top w/red neckerchief, brown jacket and brown trousers (Day 1, Day 3, Day 4, Day 5, Day 6), Red top, blue neckerchief and brown trousers (Day 2, Day 3), White night shirt (and brown trousers I think?) (Day 3),
    Gaius- Green/brown robes with embroidery (Day 1, Day 5), Red robes w/gloves (Day 3, Day 6), White night robes (Day 3)
    Gwen- Bright blue dress (Day 1, Day 3), Lilac dress (Day 2, Day 5),


    Number of times Leon calls Arthur Sire.
    1


    Magic
    - The Disir do a ritual.
    - Asga (sp?) blasts Gwaine & Elyan away twice.
    (- Merlin senses the place is spiritual/magical)
    -The Disir use magic to attack the group.
    - Merlin uses magic to stop spear.
    (- Merlin senses the place is spiritual/magical)
    (- Mordred survives, possibly magical)


    Arthur and Gwen moments
    Gwen and Arthur talk.
    Gwen reassures Arthur, then kisses him and strokes his hair.
    Gwen reassures Arthur that what happened to Mordred wasn't his fault.

    Thank you for your help, I hadn't considered a couple of things as magical but you are very right

    Episode 5x05 magic and spells:
    -The Disir chant a spell and perform an Old Religion ritual.
    -Osgar unarms Elyan and Gwaine.
    -Osgar blasts Elyan and Gwaine away with a spell and knocks them out against some trees.
    -Merlin can sense that the Grove of Brineved is spiritual/magical.
    -Mordred recognizes the charms in the Grove.
    -The Disir attack Arthur with a staff.
    -Merlin diverts the trajectory of the Disir’s staff using his mind.
    -Mordred’s life is saved by magic.

    Times Sir Leon says “Sire”:
    -1.

    Arthur and Gwen moments:
    -Gwen isn’t sure that Arthur should personally lead the search for Osgar after almost losing him when he rescued King Rodor but she understands and respects his decision.
    -Gwen is aware that Arthur has grown fond of Mordred.
    -Gwen goes down to the castle steps to see Arthur depart. They share an affectionate look and he smiles at her before he leaves.
    -Gwen asks Merlin to take care of Arthur. She knows it’s not always an easy task.
    -Gwen tries to make Arthur eat something since he didn’t have any dinner. He thinks she is kind and thanks her.
    -Gwen tells Arthur that Osgar and Disir were wrong in their judgement. She thinks he is a good and just king and that if they’d know him like she does they would just love him. She kisses his forehead and strokes his hair.
    -Gwen reassures Arthur that what happened to Mordred wasn't his fault. She touches his back and grabs his arm as he talks to him.

    Fashion:

    Merlin:
    -Blue shirt, red scarf and brown jacket (day 1).
    -Red shirt, blue scarf and brown jacket (day 2).
    -Red shirt, blue scarf and brown jacket (day 3).
    -White shirt.
    -Blue shirt, red scarf and brown jacket (day 4).
    -Blue shirt, red scarf and brown jacket (day 5).
    -Blue shirt, red scarf and brown jacket (day 6).

    Arthur:
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) (day 1).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail.
    -Red padded shirt.
    -Red shirt.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) and Camelot cloak (day 2).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) and Camelot cloak (day 3).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail.
    -Red padded shirt.
    -Red shirt.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) (day 4).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) and Camelot cloak.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) and Camelot cloak (day 5).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) and Camelot cloak.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) (day 6).
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece) and Camelot cloak.
    -Red padded shirt and chainmail with voiders (arm armour piece) and hauberk (chest armour piece).

    Gwen:
    -Blue dress (day 1).
    -Purple dress (day 2).
    -Blue dress (day 3).
    -Purple dress (day 5).

    Gaius:
    -Green robe (day 1).
    -Maroon robe (day 3).
    -White nightgown.
    -Green robe (day 5).
    -Maroon robe (day 6).
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    kenny64

    [17]Nov 3, 2012
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    PendragonLady wrote:


    Very disappointed right now. Yes, I know there's still a chance for Merlin revealing his magic, but it seems slim to me after what he said tonight. I will continue to watch until the end of the show and purchase the rest of the DVDs, but some of the magic is gone for me.




    I agree with you. I think this show has ran to more or less a complete standstill with a few important happenings on very rare occasions. I fear that i will be as disappointed after this seasons finale as i have been for a few seasons. It pains me cause it's really a very good show. It's just that i would hate to see this show cancelled for stalling things too much for too long until it bores people.



    What it needs now is hard progress. Not too fast, but a steady story progression throughout a season with Arthur finding out Merlins secret, perhaps next season and not just 8 fillers with the season beginning and end being the only important ones.



    This episode felt like progression, but i can't help but think we really ended up where we started.

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    BrightlyLit

    [18]Nov 3, 2012
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    My favorite so far. Solidly written and Solidly acted. Very balanced in use of the characters (unfortunately second one without Morgana) and had a very mature feel. Sometimes this show seems like a silly kids show to me, but that wasn't the case tonight. Could be though that this needs be the final season, as indeed they may have come to a standstill.


    I'm still very much liking the Mordred character. It's hard not to. I think the dynamics between him and Merlin are very well done and very complicated. Actually, I think Merlin does like him and have empathy with him, but his relationship with Arthur supersedes all else. This came across so well. I loved the scene outside the cave. Perfectly acted by both men and just the right amount of intensity.


    Arthur and Gwen scenes are being handled nicely and realistically so far. Coming episodes, however, are going to disrupt their peacefulness in a weird way.


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    texasislandr

    [19]Nov 4, 2012
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    The last episode felt like progression, my only problem is I don't like the feeling of where it appears to be going. I am starting to think that I need to prepare myself to mourn the loss of what has been my favorite show for 4 years.

    If they really are going to kill Arthur in the end which is beginning to seem more and more likely, then everything Merlin has sacrificed is for naught, because in the end Merlin himself will have caused Camelot's destruction, only having prolonged Arthur's life, and Albion will never come to pass. If Arthur's Bane is himself, then maybe it is because he cannot make decisions for himself, thus letting Merlin's bad choices become his own. Merlin also being his own bane, letting his desperation to save Arthur cloud his judgement thus bringing about the kings death. Arthur doesn't trust in his own judgement.

    It seems like this show will end in tragedy, a far cry from the so called prophecy that gave a hope for the future in the beginning. It doesn't seem like the proper ending to a "family" show. The only way to redeem a ending like that is if they twist it around and Arthur doesn't really die and then they progress to season 6. I am highly doubtful a season 6 will come though do to the various ominous signs we've seen. I could of handled Arthur's death if it had been at the end of a successfully created Albion, magic returned to the land, and with Merlin at his right hand.

    It saddens me that I used to get so excited to see a new episode and though I still watch, its with the sense that I'm about to watch some inevitable disaster about to unfold. I hope we can get some spoilers that are more positive.
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    boom-moo

    [20]Nov 4, 2012
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    I don’t get a doom vibe out of this episode as I don’t think that Merlin has sealed any fate yet (and if someone is to blame, Arthur is at least as responsible as Merlin because letting him decide is as good as making Merlin’s decision his own). As Gaius said, “seeing is not knowing” and as the Crystal Cave proved, knowledge can be a tool to but not an absolute truth.

    Despite Merlin’s meddling, what was to happen back then ended up happening all the same and in this episode, he (apparently) learnt the same lesson all over the hard way. However, in the past he could use his knowledge to change not the course of events but their aftermath so there’s no reason why he couldn’t do that again. Otherwise, he could as well lie down to sleep because if Arthur and Albion’s fate are written on stone, then what’s the point of struggling? What’s the point of all those magical people giving him knowledge, tools and encouragement?

    Maybe it would haven better to live Mordred live (who could have been told that condemning Mordred to die would actually have the opposite result?) as Arthur’s life wasn’t facing an immediate threat and Merlin could have dealt with Mordred later. However, it’s such a terrible knowledge to live with, such a huge burden and one that gets heavier every day: the closer he gets to Arthur, the better kingdom Camelot becomes all the harder for Merlin, all the more terrifying to lose the King, to lose the friend, all the more desperate his decisions.

    Now, the Disir didn’t rub me off the right way. They reckoned Arthur’s merits as a King but they were as cruel and intolerant as they accused him of. They warned him that his opposition to magic would cause his downfall but they didn’t hesitate to kill (way to show that magic can be a force for good). I’m not sure that they were aware of the big picture (I think not since they were just the Triple Goddess’ mouth after all) otherwise was it smart to attempt to kill Merlin?

    I don’t know, the more I think about this episode the more I see how the characters suffer from some obvious plot-dependency (swinging this way or the other for the sake of the story and as it pleases TPTB better) but at the same I find myself able to reconcile it all in my head and seeing how it makes sense. I'm just sorry I can't express my mental mess better
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