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Episode 5x12 'The Diamond of the Day Part 1' discussion thread

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    illegalferret

    [21]Dec 23, 2012
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    boom-moo wrote:
    illegalferret wrote:


    Was it just me, or did Mordred seem uncomfortable with Morgana attaching fellow magical beings? It will probably come to nothing but I thought it was interesting.


    It wasn't just you, he wasn't impressed at all. It might not come to aything but Mordred is not blinded by hatred like Morgana.


    I agree her blind hatered and all consuming desire for the throne of Camelot, has and probably will again lost her friends and allys.


    Boom-moo wrote:
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    The moment magicless when he screamed for Gwaine to save him was very telling. It was nice to see the Merlin and Gwaine together as friends, that was such a major thing in series 3, before almost totally forgotten in S4, it was great to see it back.
    It was. It broken my heart seeing Merlin crying for help. But is it me or Gwaine was at the brink of tears when he left Merlin behind? I was quite touched by that.


    Me too!


    Boom-moo wrote:
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    the whole title The Diamond of the Day, still totally confuses me! What does it mean?
    I think it comes from this poem by Edwin Muir: O Merlin in your crystal cave Deep in the diamond of the day, Will there ever be a singer Whose music will smooth away The furrow drawn by Adam's finger Across the memory and the wave? Or a runner who'll outrun Man's long shadow driving on, Break through the gate of memory And hang the apple on the tree? Will your magic ever show The sleeping bride shut in her bower, The day wreathed in its mound of snow and Time locked in his tower?


    Thank you I knew you'd come to my aid *hug*


    That's an interesting poem, hmm


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    boom-moo

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    XyFan wrote:

    Yeah he seemed like he was about to cry.. i wonder what was he thinking about. Maybe the thought that might be his last time to see his friend? or maybe he was sad that Merlin didn't share that secret with him?

    I think he was worried that he might not see Merlin again. Not two minutes ago he needed to save his life and surely thinks that on his own Merlin doesn't stand much of a chance against bandits, sword and all.

    Episode 5x12 RIP list:
    -The Gean Canach is killed by Gaius.
    -Every citizen of Stawell but Eira killed the by Saxons.
    -Random Saxons at Stawell killed by Camelot knights.
    -Two bandits killed by Gwaine.
    -Saxons and random Camelot knights at Camlann.
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    illegalferret wrote:
    Arthur came across, as he did last week, as very King like, if you get what I mean. He didn't flinch in the face of danger and his willingness to do whatever it takes to save as many of his people as possible is wonderful to see. Plus he does great rousing speeches!
    LOL for a moment I read that as 'and his willingness to do whatever it takes to save money'.
    boom-moo wrote:
    I think it comes from this poem by Edwin Muir
    That's a lovely poem. I don't think I've read that before. It's very heartfelt.
    XyFan wrote:
    Yeah he seemed like he was about to cry.. i wonder what was he thinking about. Maybe the thought that might be his last time to see his friend? or maybe he was sad that Merlin didn't share that secret with him?
    I think he might have felt how serious the situation was, seen the difference in Merlin, and having to leave him to it. I thought he was really worried about him. Whatever the reason it was very moving.
    boom-moo wrote:
    I think he was worried that he might not see Merlin again. Not two minutes ago he needed to save his life and surely thinks that on his own Merlin doesn't stand much of a chance against bandits, sword and all.
    Good point.

    Edited on 12/23/2012 6:52am
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    boom-moo

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    Chestporns/Bodyporns:
    -Arthur’s white see-through shirt.
    -Percival’s armsporn.
    -Gwaine’s chestporn.
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    Ashleighnikiann

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    boom-moo wrote:
    boom-moo wrote:
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    I was a bit disappointed in the ending though, unless Merlin didn't want to shock Arthur and the rest i see no point turning into an old man.


    According to Balinor, the heart of the Crystal Cave will reveal Merlin's true self and he will be wielding a power he can not yet conceive of. I think that when he comes out of the cave as Old Merlin (for the first time ageing up without the help of a potion) it's because he is old for real and hence able to wield those amazing powers that he can not master or conceive of as a young man.
    Upon rewatching and going with Balinor's words Merlin is already wielding an amazing power before the cave reveals his true self.




    Balinor: Your journey has only just begun. You wield a power you cannot yet conceive of. Only in the heart of the crystal cave will your true self be revealed. Move towards the light. Your destiny awaits.



    I think that Merlin, young or old, is already the most powerful wizard ever.





    I was thinking that maybe Merlin cast a spell to become Dragoon, and we just didn't see it. For some reason, it seems odd to me that his true form would be his old man disguise.


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    PenguinSuzie

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    I don't think it's suppose to be his true form. Though it may be more natural than just a disguise now I don't think it's suppose to be the real him.
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    boom-moo

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    It's not his true form but his true self, that's why at first I understood that only as an old man Merlin would be the extremely powerful wizard spoken of. However, Balinor says that Merlin already wields that power that he can not conceive of. I hope next ep throws more light on that.

    'I have faith Arthur makes a great king' statements:
    -Merlin: This battle is the only way he knows how to save his people. If he's going to lose his life, he will still go.
    -Gwen: Your plan is brave. And bold. And our only chance to defeat Morgana once and for all. I have never for a moment doubted the valour and the wisdom of this choice.
    Edited on 12/23/2012 9:28am
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    telytubie

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    I thought it's most appropriate it's Balinor who returned to guide Merlin to find his true self. I really like how they deal with his power. It's good to see this *finally* being addressed giving some credibility to the pilot and set him apart from the other sorcerors. I guess Merlin 'lost' his magic due to fear and his doubt in his ability which probably stunted his real power all along.... of course I'd like to think he can now switch between young and old at will but perhaps it really doesn't matter because like Balinor said, he's the son of the Earth, sea and sky which means he's magically as 'ancient' as the magic of the Earth itself, his true self being an *old soul* rather than old in age.
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    boom-moo

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    telytubie wrote:
    like Balinor said, he's the son of the Earth, sea and sky which means he's magically as 'ancient' as the magic of the Earth itself, his true self being an *old soul* rather than old in age.
    This reminded me of The Dochraid, she told Merlin in 5x09 "I am a creature of the earth, you cannot kill me."

    Arthur and Gwen moments:
    -She sits to Arthur’s left at the Round Table and her voice is heard like everyone else’s.
    -She insists in joining Arthur on his way to the battlefield. He thinks it’s not the appropriate place for a Queen but she insists because she’d rather spend which could be Arthur’s last days together than sit waiting.
    -Gwen knows that Arthur doesn’t believe Merlin’s excuse not to join them in Camlann.
    -Gwen reassures Arthur about his brave plan to try and defeat Morgana, never for a moment doubting the valour and the wisdom of his choice.
    -‘If you do not doubt me, Guinevere, then I do not doubt myself. And that gives me a strength greater than any weapon’.
    -They hold hands, she kisses him on the cheek and they join in a tight hug.
    -He carries her in his arms to bed.
    -They sleep close together, Gwen snuggling against his chest.
    -Arthur tells Gwen about his ‘dream’ regarding Merlin.
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    Scop

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    The face hugging magic stealing thingy was a good twist. But may not have had the capacity to steal all of Merlin's level of magic on a permanent basis? Hence he could regain his powers where others could not.


    The line where Arthur said he thought Merlin was the bravest man he knew but then he must have been wrong was a little over the top for me. Best I can do with in my internal inpretings is that Arthur knows on some level that Merlin is some sort of protection for him and without Merlin there he felt like he had just lost the last of any chance he had to survive the battle and was just lashing out with something he really didn't mean.


    Wish they would have done something with Merlin after talking to his father going farther back into the cave, seeing the glowy being again who would have given him the staff, or something of the like.


    Like the bit where it took both Morgana and Mordred to "chant" up a fire ball that Merlin can just fling out of his hand.


    Everything else, brilliant! Waiting impatiently ... and sadly for the final episode.


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    boom-moo

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    I liked it that Arthur didn't buy Gaius' excuse that Merlin was running urgent errands for him, I think that deep down he knows that Merlin in on to something and wouldn't let him unless for good reason even if he can't fathom what the reason could be.

    Arthur is knocked unconscious or prevented from knowing about Merlin's magic:
    -He is not attentive enough when Merlin cheats during the dice game.

    What Arthur says about magic:
    -Nothing.
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    Scop

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    Oh, forgot about the dice game. That did show acres about their relationship that Arthur couldn't care a lick about being trounced by his servant in public.


    And when he woke up from the dream, knowing he heard Merlin's voice and knowing Merlin wasn't anywhere around and wouldn't let Gwen reason him out of it still puts it out there that on some level, maybe one he doesn't want to admit to, he knows that Merlin has magic.



    I've a feeling the "I have magic" line they do in the teaser is really going to be said by "Dragoon" and not "Merlin" so it won't be a true reveal, hence why the line was delivered without visuals in the teaser.

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    XyFan

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    Scop wrote:


    I've a feeling the "I have magic" line they do in the teaser is really going to be said by "Dragoon" and not "Merlin" so it won't be a true reveal, hence why the line was delivered without visuals in the teaser.




    im afraid of that as well. I'd be very disappointed when that happens, though. Guess it all depends if they really planned to make 5 year series (as they say they did), but if they really did know that it was 5-year-series why did they hide merlin's secret so near in the end in the first place?) guess we need to wait and see..

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    Thank you, DaNko. List filled in
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    Most watched episode of Merlin ever (but possibly only until the figures for 5x13 come out) with 8.45 million viewers on BBC One.
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