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Rewatching Merlin 2x10 'Sweet Dreams' [2011]

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    boom-moo

    [21]Jun 1, 2011
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    ACDiNosey wrote:
    After all, she's only a servant *gets a slap in the face from Arthur*
    I'm never gonna get over Alice for that *grumbles*
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    ACDiNosey

    [22]Jun 1, 2011
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    In the context, knowing that Arthur is enchanted, it doesn't bother me that much I must admit I prefer that to the more "manly" display of violence it could have been...
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    I don't buy it and I surely don't like it. He is under a love spell but that doesn't fully change him in all other aspects, I don't think it touches every inch of himself. Arthur is pretty sensible and very much himself when he talks to Gwen about having made a fool of himself and his gesture not having been well received. I like Bradley's suggestion of grabbing a fistful of Merlin's jacket and swinging a threatening finger to his face or something. That would have made the point just as well.
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    pcdsa

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    This is the best comedy episode for me. It certainly enchanted me!

    Great Dragon riddle:
    There is no magic that can break this enchantment... It has too great a hold... The solution lies in a force greater than you or I can understand. A force that has puzzled many minds... A force... Why, it is the greatest force of all...love.
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    ACDiNosey

    [25]Jun 1, 2011
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    I agree pcdsa. Best comedy episode.

    I love how the dragon is picking up on Merlin's impatience and drawing out his riddle for as long as possible just to annoy him. Kilgarrah laughing at Merlin's predicament is rather fun. For once he doesn't seem to remind Merlin of his promise or put any pressure on him, he's just having fun at his expense, which is great fun to watch.
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    Thanks everyone Catching up here:

    Morgana's premonitory dreams:
    -None.

    Morgana's smirks of doom:
    -None.

    Chestporns/Bodyporns:
    -Armporn/chestporn behind screen.
    -Arthur's revealing sleeping white shirt.
    -Chestporn behind screen.
    -Ribsporn.

    Merlin and Great Dragon meetings:
    - 1 (16 so far) where Merlin asks him for help to break the enchantment on Arthur.

    Great Dragon's riddles:
    -There is no magic that can break this enchantment. It has too great a hold. The solution lies in a force greater than you or I can understand. A force that has puzzled many minds. Why, it is the greatest force of all... love.
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    boom-moo wrote:
    I don't buy it and I surely don't like it. He is under a love spell but that doesn't fully change him in all other aspects, I don't think it touches every inch of himself. Arthur is pretty sensible and very much himself when he talks to Gwen about having made a fool of himself and his gesture not having been well received. I like Bradley's suggestion of grabbing a fistful of Merlin's jacket and swinging a threatening finger to his face or something. That would have made the point just as well.


    I hate the slap. I hated it from the first moment I saw it.


    What I've always found interesting is the enchanted Arthur's interactions with Gwen. It's as if he knows he has a closeness with her (beyond her servant status) but he's not aware of the romantic feelings. To me, he treats her like one would a close friend. e.g., "Gwen, did you hear the news?", "You read me like a book," and when she arrives at the tent "Ah, you came to wish me luck?" He seems totally comfortable and at ease talking to her, and if you ask me, more so than when he's dealing with the romantic thing. I think Brad and Angel played their parts by the horse exceptionally well, he enchanted and she normal and the direction the discussion and reactions went--very believable!

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    ACDiNosey

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    I think overall Bradley played Lovestruck Arthur very believably. I love the whole scene with Uther and Merlin, where Uther looks incredulous and asks Merlin what the matter is with Arthur. Had Bradley's acting been too subtle, this scene wouldn't have worked. Had it be any more obvious, the scene with Gwen that you refer to BrightlyLit, wouldn't have worked either. It was a fine balance...

    Although I must admit, everybody sleeps very soundly in Camelot. Sure try to put a drop of something at the corner of my eye while I sleep and you'll get beaten up to a pulp! And we're not even talking of dropping stuff in bedrooms while people are sleeping and amazingly remain asleep... Ah well, maybe I'm the only light sleeper bothered by this
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    boom-moo

    [29]Jun 1, 2011
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    Well, I'm a sound sleeper but I think I can safely say that I'd wake if I had something dropped on my eye. Regarless of light/sound sleepers, one would say the rooms are heavily guarded, especially Lady Vivian's (we know Olaf is overprotective and we see guards outside her door later on in the episode). Arthur climbs the wall and we don't know how Trickler gets in but either King Olaf's guards are as useless as Camelot guards or Trickler uses magic (he is good at it, he gets the lock of Vivian fast and unnoticed). Showing him inside the room already saves quite some explanations, I guess.
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    snet819

    [30]Jun 1, 2011
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    BM...didn't you tell me it's better not to wonder about these things...lol.
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    boom-moo

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    snet819 wrote:
    BM...didn't you tell me it's better not to wonder about these things...lol.
    It is indeed, that's just in case you needed further proof
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    fantasymommy

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    BrightlyLit wrote:

    boom-moo wrote:
    I don't buy it and I surely don't like it. He is under a love spell but that doesn't fully change him in all other aspects, I don't think it touches every inch of himself. Arthur is pretty sensible and very much himself when he talks to Gwen about having made a fool of himself and his gesture not having been well received. I like Bradley's suggestion of grabbing a fistful of Merlin's jacket and swinging a threatening finger to his face or something. That would have made the point just as well.


    I hate the slap. I hated it from the first moment I saw it.


    What I've always found interesting is the enchanted Arthur's interactions with Gwen. It's as if he knows he has a closeness with her (beyond her servant status) but he's not aware of the romantic feelings. To me, he treats her like one would a close friend. e.g., "Gwen, did you hear the news?", "You read me like a book," and when she arrives at the tent "Ah, you came to wish me luck?" He seems totally comfortable and at ease talking to her, and if you ask me, more so than when he's dealing with the romantic thing. I think Brad and Angel played their parts by the horse exceptionally well, he enchanted and she normal and the direction the discussion and reactions went--very believable!



    I too was put off by the slap but we see Uther back hand Gwen in 3-13 and her hands were bound! Obviously, hitting servants was common place in Camelot.
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    Yeah but the relationship between Uther and Gwen is nothing like the relationship between Merlin and Arthur. Common practice and all, it doesn't sit right with me in Arthur's case.

    Forgot to mention but I don't like it a bit either when Merlin raises a fist against Arthur in 2x09.
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    ACDiNosey

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    Now, there I agree. It's totally non-Merlin to be violent. Arthur, on the other hand...
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    boom-moo

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    Indeed, absolutely out of character

    Yes, Arthur likes to use Merlin as a target practice but a slap is a different story.
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    snet819

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    ACDiNosey wrote:
    Now, there I agree. It's totally non-Merlin to be violent. Arthur, on the other hand...


    Sadly I have to agree with you. Arthur is changing no doubt but it seems to be a 1 step forward 2 step back kind of thing. After Merlin has shown frienship loyalty and a willingness to die for him...Arthur still seems way too quick to scapegoat Merlin (3x10 comes to mind), so while I'd love to say that it's out of character for Arthur to slap him, really...not so much.
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    fantasymommy wrote:
    I too was put off by the slap but we see Uther back hand Gwen in 3-13 and her hands were bound! Obviously, hitting servants was common place in Camelot.


    Oh, don't get me started on the Uther slap. I only wish Arthur had seen it. All I know is when I saw Arthur hit Merlin like that, it didn't fit. After all, he didn't call her a whore or something like that, he called her a servant.


    Did anyone else wonder about Vivian? Was she rooting for Arthur or her father? Are we to assume her enchantment never got broken? Unless, of course, she had a true love tucked away back in her castle that her dad didn't know about, lol. I wonder if she could possibly return because she said she wanted to as they were leaving. That would most def. be interesting.


    Lives saved: Gwen saved Arthur life when she kissed him out of the spell. Don't know if anyone put that yet or not.

    Edited on 06/01/2011 9:36pm
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    boom-moo

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    BrightlyLit wrote:
    Did anyone else wonder about Vivian? Was she rooting for Arthur or her father?
    The few times she is shown "cheering" during the fight I think she was rooting for Arthur.

    BrightlyLit wrote:
    Are we to assume her enchantment never got broken?
    Until her true love kisses her, I'm afraid that's the case. Poor miserable thing

    Episode 2x10 Lives Saved list:
    -Gwen saved Arthur life when she kissed him out of the spell.
    -Arthur saves King Olaf's life by deciding not to kill him during the fight.

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    Pretty surprised that no one has filled in this one yet so here I go (as per usual feel free to add/remove/edit/rephrase):

    Arthur and Gwen moments:
    -They share a moment at Lady Vivian's door before Arthur snaps out of it and leaves a worried/distressed Gwen behind.
    -Arthur complains to Merlin about Lady Vivian's attitude: "You should have heard what she said to Gwen".
    -Arthur denies it and rushes to hide behind the screen when Merlin hints that he knows of his feelings for Gwen.
    -Merlin reminds Arthur of his old love (Gwen) after he is enchanted and miserable because Lady Vivian wouldn't return his feelings.
    -Gwen realizes that Arthur is upset about something. He reckons she reads him like an open book.
    -Arthur thinks he's made a fool of himself having Merlin deliver a note and flowers to Lady Vivian due to her lack of response. Since Gwen has been the one receiving them, she assures him it is not true, she says he has a "good heart" and tells him that his gesture was "well received".
    -Gwen goes on to say that his token of affection was "much appreciated" but that "the situation is delicate and it's not always easy to express what's really in one's heart."
    -Assuming they are talking about their relationship, Gwen says that "there is always hope."
    -In return to Arthur's gesture, Gwen slips a note under his door asking him to meet at sunset to give their relationship "a second chance".
    -Gwen lights candles, set flower vases and cleans up for Arthur.
    -She is clearly distressed when he doesn't show up.
    -Gwen is really upset when Morgana tells her that Arthur has been found in Lady Vivian's chambers at night.
    -Gwen doesn't plan to attend the tourney.
    -Gwen scolds Arthur when he asks her to wish him good luck saying that she would have appreciated honesty and hearing it [his feelings for Lady Vivian] from his lips.
    -According to Merlin, anyone who spends five minutes with them can see how they feel about each other.
    -Merlin tells Gwen that Arthur is enchanted, that he really loves her and that she should trust her feelings. Gwen replies: "I'm never trusting my feelings again" as he is clearly enchanted with Lady Vivian.
    -Merlin insists that none of his feelings are genuine but to Gwen "his feelings seemed real enough." Arthur is gonna die without her help so Merlin asks her to search her heart, as she knows "who he truly loves."
    -Gwen kisses him and breaks the enchantment proving she is his true love. Arthur kisses her back.
    "Live for me Arthur. That's all I ask right now."
    -Arthur spots Gwen taking a spot between the audience at the tourney. He asks Merlin to look after Gwen in case anything should happen to him. She is neither just a servant nor dispensable to him.
    -They share a look after the combat. She is proud that he decides to break the rules and not kill King Olaf.
    -He shows up at her place, bringing a rose and a note, and says he's sorry for what he's put her through. He insists that his feelings for Vivian weren't real and he adds that he's never loved another.
    -Gwen says that he has nothing to apologize for and admits to having caused her fair share of hurt.
    -Gwen is reluctant to move forward and tells Arthur that one day he will find a real princess, will be the king of Camelot and that she can't be his queen. Arthur argues that she doesn't know that and believes that "things may change". Gwen curtsies and with an "until they do" puts and end to the conversation after which she doesn't dare making eye contact with a sad Arthur, who takes her leave. She looks equally unhappy.
    -Arthur doesn't wish to see Vivian too soon again.
    -Merlin teases Arthur saying that he knows that he kissed Gwen in the tent, which constitutes proof that she is his one true love.

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    Filling in the rest of the categories:

    Episode 2x10 RIP list:
    -None.

    What Arthur calls Merlin:
    -

    What Merlin calls Arthur:
    -

    Arthur's attributes to becoming the great king of legend:
    -He refuses to kill King Olaf because it will not bring peace.

    Arthur is knocked unconscious or prevented from knowing about Merlin's magic:
    -He is kissing Vivian when Merlin tries to make them come apart.

    What Uther says about magic:
    - Nothing.

    Potions made by Gaius:
    -None.

    Gaius's smacks:
    -None.

    'I have faith Arthur will become a great king' statements:
    -None.

    Dungeon time:
    -None.

    Edited on 06/03/2011 4:32pm
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    pcdsa

    [39]Jun 4, 2011
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    boom-moo wrote:
    Pretty surprised that no one has filled in this one yet so here I go (as per usual feel free to add/remove/edit/rephrase):

    Sorry, just felt lazy this week as it was going to be a long one. Will check through and let you know.
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    boom-moo

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    Sorry hun, I didn't mean it was your task. It's just that it's usually one of those categories people are willing to work on, and since this week there was quite a lot to do in that respect, I thought I'd do it myself before moving on to the next rewatch.

    I'd appreciate if you keep an eye on my infamous English and whatnot as per usual. Thanks muchly!
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