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    [1]Jul 10, 2010
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    This thread is only for discussions on The Great Dragon, Kilgharrah.

    Any comments regarding The Great Dragon are welcome as long as you remain respectful of "Merlin" and its fans.

    Spoilers are forbidden.

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    First we are going to vote for a title for this thread.

    Rules for voting are as follows:

    1. You can vote for two names - first choice gets 2 points and the second choice 1 point.

    2. If by Wednesday (July 14) there is an overall winner, then the thread title will change.

    3. If by Wednesday there is no overall winner, a second round will open. I will choose two titles on which to vote. You will only have one vote worth ONE POINT.


    Here are the suggestions:

    Great Dragon thread title suggestions wrote:
    The Dragon's Den.
    Kilgharrah's the name.
    The Last of the Noble Ones.
    Fire and Freedom.
    Fan of the Riddles.
    A Dragon Speaks in Mysterious Ways.
    Everyone says he's great!
    Great Dragon Knows Best!


    Happy voting!

    Edited on 07/15/2010 2:38am
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    My votes:

    Great Dragon thread title suggestions wrote:
    The Dragon's Den.
    Kilgharrah's the name 2.
    The Last of the Noble Ones.
    Fire and Freedom 1.
    Fan of the Riddles.
    A Dragon Speaks in Mysterious Ways.
    Everyone says he's great!
    Great Dragon Knows Best!
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    [3]Jul 10, 2010
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    My votes:

    The Dragon's Den: 2 points
    Fire and Freedom: 1 point
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    boom-moo

    [4]Jul 10, 2010
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    Great Dragon thread title suggestions wrote:
    The Dragon's Den 2.
    Kilgharrah's the name 2.
    The Last of the Noble Ones.
    Fire and Freedom 2.
    Fan of the Riddles.
    A Dragon Speaks in Mysterious Ways.
    Everyone says he's great!
    Great Dragon Knows Best!
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    pcdsa

    [5]Jul 11, 2010
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    The Dragon's Den = 2 point
    Fire and Freedom = 1 point

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    [6]Jul 11, 2010
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    Great Dragon thread title suggestions wrote:
    The Dragon's Den 4.
    Kilgharrah's the name 2.
    The Last of the Noble Ones.
    Fire and Freedom 3.
    Fan of the Riddles.
    A Dragon Speaks in Mysterious Ways.
    Everyone says he's great!
    Great Dragon Knows Best!


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    As the best of the Dragon I posted a picture from 1x06 when Gaius visited him. As I was watching the scene to make the screen capture, something caught my attention:

    The Great Dragon: How old a man can become and yet change so little.
    Gaius: You have not changed either.
    The Great Dragon: Twenty years. Almost a lifetime to make the short journey back to where you began.
    Gaius: I'm not here for myself.

    I wonder what the dragon means with: "Almost a lifetime to make the short journey back to where you began." So did Gaius ask a favor of the dragon before? The dragon seems to imply that they knew each other before.

    However, there's also this part:

    Gaius: Must Uther be sacrificed for the boy?
    The Great Dragon: Their time cannot come until his is past.
    Gaius: But is that time now?
    The Great Dragon: (chuckling) That is of your choosing.
    Gaius: I will not choose between them.
    The Great Dragon: Then turn a blind eye. That is, after all, your talent.

    Does this mean that Gaius was present when the dragon was chained? The dragon is resentful cause Gaius refused to help him (well, he helped Balinor escape but I guess the dragon doesn't know that). What do you guys think? What's that "beginning" they share?
    Edited on 07/11/2010 11:42am
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    pcdsa

    [7]Jul 12, 2010
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    boom-moo wrote:
    I wonder what the dragon means with: "Almost a lifetime to make the short journey back to where you began." So did Gaius ask a favor of the dragon before?

    It looks like it. Considering Gaius replied "I'm not here for myself" maybe he asked something for himself before. I can't see what though. They slip in these comments and leave you wondering. We need a prequel special or flashbacks to show us what happened.

    boom-moo wrote:
    The Great Dragon: Then turn a blind eye. That is, after all, your talent.

    I always thought that the dragon meant Gaius turning a blind eye during The Great Purge against the people of the Old Religion.

    boom-moo wrote:
    Does this mean that Gaius was present when the dragon was chained? The dragon is resentful cause Gaius refused to help him (well, he helped Balinor escape but I guess the dragon doesn't know that).

    I'm sure Gaius was there and the dragon felt betrayed by him and Balinor!
    I wonder if Uther asked Gaius to cast a spell on the chains which held the dragon?



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    Why do you think Kilgharrah warned Merlin about Mordred and Morgana? It could have been to gain Merlin's trust but Merlin ignored him anyway. He had nothing to gain because presumably he would have been freed by the time Modred kills Arthur.

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    pcdsa wrote:
    Considering Gaius replied "I'm not here for myself" maybe he asked something for himself before. I can't see what though. They slip in these comments and leave you wondering. We need a prequel special or flashbacks to show us what happened.
    I don't see Gaius asking the dragon a favour for himself, and I don't see why the dragon would concede it since Gaius turned a blind eye on the suffering of all magical people (at least as far as the dragon knows). I guess Uther made him be present when the dragon was chained and hence the 'back to the beginning.'

    pcdsa wrote:
    I'm sure Gaius was there and the dragon felt betrayed by him and Balinor!I wonder if Uther asked Gaius to cast a spell on the chains which held the dragon?
    That would have been pretty hypocritical of Uther, but we know he is able to do that and worse. I want to think that the dragon realized that Balinor had been brought to Camelot tricked by the king's sweet talk and false promise of truce. As soon as Uther commanded him to tame the dragon to chain him, Balinor's face must have told the whole story.
    pcdsa wrote:
    Why do you think Kilgharrah warned Merlin about Mordred and Morgana? It could have been to gain Merlin's trust but Merlin ignored him anyway. He had nothing to gain because presumably he would have been freed by the time Modred kills Arthur.
    I dunno, the events in 2x11 prompted Morgana to turn her back on Uther and to be willing to join the "evil" side. Mordred has a huge influence on her (as Alvarr well knows) and that could have been the end of Camelot killing any chance of freedom for the dragon.
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    [9]Jul 15, 2010
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    The winner of the voting is The Dragon's Den.
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    I think he had no ulterior motive in warning Merlin about Mordred and Morgana. He just wanted to stop evil happening.

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    illegalferret

    [10]Jul 15, 2010
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    The Dragon's den is great name!


    I personally i have never fully understood the dragon some weeks he says some things other weeks he completly changes his mind!

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    [11]Jul 16, 2010
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    I don't understand why he helped Uther in 2.06. As he hates him so much I would have expected him to leave him married to the troll. And as trolls and dragons are friends when the troll came into power she may have released him.

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    [12]Jul 16, 2010
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    Maybe the dragon wanted to have revenge on Uther himself. And trolls are really greedy, so she wouldn't have risked the dragon destroying Camelot.
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    dpebbleson

    [13]Jul 17, 2010
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    I agree with Sarah, the Dragon is illogical at times, especially in Season 1 where I felt he was written more just to appear on the show, and less to have a specific role. That was mended by the end of S1, and throughout S2 where he had his own mini-arc.


    I also agree that Trolltrina wouldn't have released the Dragon, because he would have burned her precious kingdom!

    Edited on 07/17/2010 12:35am
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    [14]Jul 17, 2010
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    I dunno but since TPTB didn't know if there would be a series 2, they didn't think of a bigger plotline for the dragon than being Merlin's adviser and then they expanded that along the way as the show became bigger and better.
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    [15]Oct 27, 2010
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    For Trish, from the recent book-fair:



    It reads "Dragonology: the big book of dragons"



    And here is a specimen of a dragon. It could be 'Draco Occidentalis' meaning 'The Western Dragon'. : )

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    [16]Oct 27, 2010
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    The book is so pretty! Lucky you, DaNko and thanks for sharing. Please, come back to share the interesting bits when you have read it.
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    [17]Oct 27, 2010
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    I haven't bought this either ; ) I took the photo on the fair. They are pretty small and 'thin' books so to say, not more than a few pages really, and they are prized like they've got 3000 pages I had to buy some other, but one day when I buy this one, you'll get a detailed report.

    And I doubt it contains more than we already know from the show ; )
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    [18]Oct 27, 2010
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    Oh I see, sorry I misread. The fine cover art and whatnot certainly raises the price.

    Very nice of you to take the pics, Trish is gonna love them!
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    [19]Oct 27, 2010
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    They sort-of more for kids, you know, lots of pictures, and not much info ; ) Unfortunately even though I'd like to buy them, I had to focus on more text, and less pictures at this fair.

    Malory's book is so huge! I thought it had 200-300 pages, but no it has over 700 pages!!! If there's a dragon in it, or something like it, I'll report it here
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    [20]Oct 28, 2010
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    Awww thanks Danko. The book looks great and would suit me just fine, that is if it was in English!!!


    I have a "The Dragon of Wisdom", which I brought years before in anticipation of Kilgharrah coming along.


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