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The links in his surnames...

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    Jeric-Ho

    [1]Apr 6, 2008
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    I like the fact that all of his surnames tend to be linked, i may have missed some but the ones i have noticed are the obvious ones

    • Dutch - (As in Netherlands/Holland)
    • Benwaar - (A Dutch name that apparantly translates to "Am True")
    • Amsterdam - (Amsterdam is in the Netherlands/Holland)
    • York - (New York used to be called New Amsterdam)

    Fair enough the Benwaar surname is a weak link other than it is a dutch surname but if anyone else has picked up any more of his previous surnames then let me know and we can see if they link together! i think it is a nice part of his character that the names all link and must mean something to him! I am sure that during the course of the season we will see him with various other names!


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    anestaphine

    [2]Apr 7, 2008
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    Cool!
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    Charlie183

    [3]Apr 8, 2008
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    Jeric-Ho wrote:
    • Amsterdam - (Amsterdam is in the Netherlands/Holland)

    not to be the one correcting you , but i know to most dutch people it's important to point out: Holland is just a part in in the west of the Netherlands! They are not the same.
    Amsterdam is the capital of the Netherlands and it is located in the province "North Holland", though it's not its capital!

    And i have to agree, i also like this links to his past pointed out through his surnames. That's really cool, isn't it. I'm also really keen on learning more of the names he had. I don't know more of those, but in the episode Legacy he had a family-tree.. has anyone seen other names of him on that ?

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    Peregrine_Kloor

    [4]Apr 8, 2008
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    Dutch - (As in Netherlands/Holland)

    wasn't Dutch his first name


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    tjoceasde

    [5]Apr 8, 2008
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    Peregrine_Kloor wrote:

    Dutch - (As in Netherlands/Holland)

    wasn't Dutch his first name


    According to Wikipedia's timeline, his alias in 1912 was Dutch Amsterdam.

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    thetruesora

    [6]Apr 9, 2008
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    Wikipedia can't be used as a good source in this case. However from the way he was introduced, it would make sense that Dutch was his first name.
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    pantera_rosso

    [7]Apr 9, 2008
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    thetruesora wrote:
    Wikipedia can't be used as a good source in this case. However from the way he was introduced, it would make sense that Dutch was his first name.
    he did use that name in the episode where he was a painter, could have been a nickname
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    thetruesora

    [8]Apr 9, 2008
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    I know he used that name when he was a painter. The way he was introduced by his wife as "Dutch" it would sense that is his first name.
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    Jeric-Ho

    [9]Apr 10, 2008
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    thetruesora wrote:
    I know he used that name when he was a painter. The way he was introduced by his wife as "Dutch" it would sense that is his first name.


    Ahh i didnt realise that! i thought he was called John Dutch! as he seems to like keeping the name John!
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    elanoringl

    [10]Apr 11, 2008
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    good to know... i saw that they were city names but didn't know that much!
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    samosfromhalo

    [11]Apr 11, 2008
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    Actually, I'm fairly certain the writers try to make all of his surnames link to the city New York. John York is obvious. Those who know a bit of history may know that New York was originally a Dutch colony (thus tying in those Dutch surnames) called New Netherland. And back then, New York City was called New Amsterdam. And that was right around the time John first came to the Americas according to the timeline. I'm not sure how Benwaar ties in but I'm pretty sure that was actually a first name he had, not a surname.
    Edited on 04/11/2008 9:49pm
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    elanoringl

    [12]Apr 12, 2008
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    Thanks for all the information, I don't know much about USA history because I'm Brazilian...
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    Jeric-Ho

    [13]Apr 12, 2008
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    samosfromhalo wrote:
    Actually, I'm fairly certain the writers try to make all of his surnames link to the city New York. John York is obvious. Those who know a bit of history may know that New York was originally a Dutch colony (thus tying in those Dutch surnames) called New Netherland. And back then, New York City was called New Amsterdam. And that was right around the time John first came to the Americas according to the timeline. I'm not sure how Benwaar ties in but I'm pretty sure that was actually a first name he had, not a surname.


    No his surname was Benwaar, it was when he was a furniture maker in the 1800s, his name was John. G. Benwaar. Unsure what the G stands for though!
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    samosfromhalo

    [14]Apr 13, 2008
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    Then I honestly have no idea what Benwaar was. Possibly a different set of writers on that episode who didn't know about the surnames thing or some obscure thing that has to do with New York.
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    kimleblanc

    [15]Apr 13, 2008
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    me neither, Benwaar has absolutely nothing to do with Dutch or the Netherlands. Nobody in the Netherlands has Benwaar as a surname... (I should know, I'm Dutch) Also, you could translate Benwaar to Am true, but that's not correct dutch, am true = ben echt.
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    Little-Raven

    [16]Apr 13, 2008
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    I think there is a definite link with Holland, even though you're right the name Benwaar isn't a real Dutch surname.

    There was also the name Spoor that his son Roosevelt (Rosie) took on after his mom left him (when he was the painter Dutch Amsterdam ...it showed that name in the family tree). Spoor is real Dutch name. Also in that episode they speak Dutch when he meets the old man in the wheelchair at the funeral..."de wereld krimpt" (the world is getting smaller) though that was tough to understand.

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    shocker713

    [17]Apr 13, 2008
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    pantera_rosso wrote:
    thetruesora wrote:
    Wikipedia can't be used as a good source in this case. However from the way he was introduced, it would make sense that Dutch was his first name.
    he did use that name in the episode where he was a painter, could have been a nickname

    Pretty sure it was, because if you look at the family tree he drew up, "Dutch" is in quotation marks, indicating that it was a nickname...his real first name at the time was probably John (or some variation thereof), like it always is.
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    Klod007

    [18]Apr 14, 2008
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    His first name was/is Johan actually. Dutch is merely a nickname/alias, also meaning someone with a dutch nationality/ancestry. I've never met someone with the surname of Benwaar in The Netherlands. 'Am true' is a good translation, the other suggestion in this thread is closer to 'Am real'.
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    Jeric-Ho

    [19]Apr 14, 2008
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    Yeah his real name before he was immortal was 'Johann van der Zee', Doesnt that translate roughly to 'From the Sea'?
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    Klod007

    [20]Apr 15, 2008
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    Jeric-Ho wrote:
    Yeah his real name before he was immortal was 'Johann van der Zee', Doesnt that translate roughly to 'From the Sea'?


    Yeah, 'from the Sea', 'of the Sea', something like that.
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