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5.08 "Duke Collins" Episode Discussion

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    LostSux

    [1]Dec 12, 2007
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    Not a single episode this season has disappointed yet. And it looks like next week the bar will continue to be raised.
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    JeffreyKresse

    [2]Dec 12, 2007
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    I hope Kimber doesn't keep the baby from the rest of the characters. She is annoying the hell out of me this season.
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    slim324k

    [3]Dec 16, 2007
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    Can't wait to see what happened to Matt and Kimber. Hoping Julia kicks the lesbian act and just grows up already.
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    ilovedrcox

    [4]Dec 17, 2007
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    i hope Julia and christian stay together..
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    tjaman

    [5]Dec 19, 2007
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    Wow. Everyone's just hurting everyone. It's like a logjam in a sawmill and there's blades flying everywhere.

    Kimber and ... Ram. How charming. Yes, porn stars and orgies are more stable than a rat blowing himself up in a meth lab, but at this point a judge might be more willing to hand the child off to Gina. Surely Kimber's not testing clean for meth either.

    Rachel was pretty amazing. It's kind of incredible the way strength and personal charisma shines through even that level of disfigurement. I loved that despite the shallow man-hungry label she keeps slapping herself with she's managed to find more than a small amount of depth.

    Matt seemed a little stronger in the end. And this episode was really Matty's life in microcosm. There's an explosion he's injured in that he's more or less responsible for, Sean yells at him, Christian tries to console him and Julia smothers him, he remains emotionally immature, he comes to some sort of epiphany and he straightens up and flies right for at least the last few minutes of the episode.

    And at the center of the pain is Julia.

    Julia, who wants to spare everyone from painful realizations, and by her very dithering manages to make everything worse. Christian thought she was committed to him, and at the party she was all over Olivia. Christian's asking Sean for a blessing for something Julia doesn't seem entirely committed to either. And of course Sean is so messed up re his feelings about Julia that ...

    Oh, Sean. You're like one week removed from an E-induced cardiac event with your ex's new gf's daughter. Yes, those waves crashing over you are shame and self-loathing, but never mind. She's poisoning your ex so soon everything's going to fall completely apart for everyone anyway.

    Why, it's like a child shooting his father in the face and missing and hitting a singing snowman. I'm sure that's exactly what happened in the first Christmas story, from the Book of Tarantino, Chapter 2. I knew I'd read that somewhere before.

    Look, there was a lot of pain and a lot of victims in this shooting gallery of an episode (honestly, one of you has been shot and you're still singing? RUN! RUUUUNNNN!!!) But that's no reason to let our Christmas spirit go all to heck.

    Look. Eden's made us some fruitcake.

    Chomp.
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    MrGrubman

    [6]Dec 19, 2007
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    But did you like the episode?

    Can the characters get any more dysfunctional. They've all become cartoonish, caricatures

    of themselves. Oh that's right, Kimber already has her own doll.

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    BenRyan33

    [7]Dec 19, 2007
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    Not a bad episode, though not quite as good as last week's. Two questions though:

    1) What did Eden put in the fruitcake? Some type of poison? I know right now is probably just specualtion but if anyone has a clue...

    2)Why exactly did the kid shoot the dad? Did the dad actually put the gun in the kid's hand or was the mom saying he "practically" put the gun in the kid's hand by ignoring him?

    Edited on 12/19/2007 8:29am
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    ilovedrcox

    [8]Dec 19, 2007
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    ***SPOILER***


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    kraylith

    [9]Dec 19, 2007
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    damn.. kimber is by far the most screwed up character on the show (more than the carver, yes), i hate her... :evil

    julia is a close second, different kind of (for lack of a better word) madness, but annoying none the less. also - what the hell's up with eden? last episode it looked like she could actually turn in a normal character. this episode she's poisoning julia? Oo she knows julia and christian are screwing around, so she should know that sooner or later julia and olivia will break up. why risk a charge of murder for that? she always struck me as a b*tch and emotionally insecure, yes, but not really stupid. spoiled, k, but no stupid.

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    tjaman

    [10]Dec 19, 2007
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    MrGrubman wrote:

    But did you like the episode?

    Can the characters get any more dysfunctional. They've all become cartoonish, caricatures

    of themselves. Oh that's right, Kimber already has her own doll.



    Does it matter whether I liked it or not? During the French farce of Julia hiding in the closet I thought it was the goofiest thing I'd ever seen. And then when Eden was poisoning the fruitcake (the actual fruitcake, not Julia, although I feel it's a distinction I need to make these days) I thought it was whimsically evil. I liked the case of the week, I liked that a choir was beaten up in gangland (how outlandish) and I liked Liz getting mad at the choir (and being called "Ebeneezer Cruz") and I liked Matt and Rachel. I thought the Kimber and Ram scene was right out of "Eyes Wide Shut" and I don't like the fact that even with a sundial, a compass, geopositioning software and OnStar I've still got to wet my finger and test the wind to keep track of Julia's affections these days.

    I liked some parts of it and I didn't like other parts. The show is the show, however, and it's rarely boring. I gave it a 9.5 because it's Christmas.
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    tjaman

    [11]Dec 19, 2007
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    ilovedrcox wrote:
    is the poison that eden put in the fruit cake slow acting or what? why hasn't anything happened to Julia yet


    That's not a spoiler, since it happened in the show.

    It might be a laxative. It looked like it was giving her cramps. Whatever it was, I'm fairly certain it'll lead somewhere. Patience.
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    SMGslayer97

    [12]Dec 19, 2007
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    I am dying to know what Eden put into Julia's fruit cake. It was a yellow liquid right and it was making her a little faint and crampy. The only thing I can think is laxative but that's gotta be one slow acting laxative if that's what it is.
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    SweetThickness

    [13]Dec 19, 2007
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    Tjaman, I just wanted to compliment you on your writing skills!! such eloquence to see on a message board. you don't see much of that on here.
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    fireheart99

    [14]Dec 19, 2007
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    I personally think the vile of liquid put in the fruitcake was arsenic. From what I understand, people can handle small amounts of arsenic - they experience symptoms, but it gradually kills them. I think we would have been seeing more than an occassional "oooh" from Julia if it was a laxative... she'd be running to the bathroom.

    Just my opinion

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    lostcy

    [15]Dec 19, 2007
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    the episode was great!i really want to see what i going to happen to Julia..!
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    diecaro

    [16]Dec 19, 2007
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    The season has been a little strange so far, but maybe it's just that I still have to get used to the new setting. Anyway, I am dying to find out what it was that Eden put in Julia's cake. Maybe it was nothing really... and she truthfully wants to be "friends" with her?

    I absolutely agree on the part about Kimber being the most screwed up character and more annoying than ever! Also, I think that Julia and Christian should have some happy time, although I don't understand why she wouldn't come clean to Olivia earlier. Probably better that way, cause it keeps Portia on the show for longer and you just gotta love her!

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    Jemadari

    [17]Dec 19, 2007
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    When are they going to let Sean grow a pair, I mean every so often he'll have an epiphany and he'll act of character like telling Matt to man up but in the end he's always same ol' weak little Sean who's best friend is his worst enemy and who's family only comes around to cause pain...and surprisingly enough I second that sweetthickness
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    tjaman

    [18]Dec 19, 2007
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    foxysox

    [19]Dec 19, 2007
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    this ep was freakin awesome!!! I totally agree with fireheart, i thought it was arsnic or that white oleander crap, cas Eden is smart and if you dose that correctly you're supposedly unable to detect it. I have to say though, I'll be kinda disappointed if Olivia just leaves now, I was waiting for her to be important but maybe she was just a tiny plot device for Julia to connect from Sean to Christian, and to bring in Eden. Sad. I was hoping for another Nell or Lyndsey type character, Portia must just want money or something. Also if that abduction thing is totally over too I'll be pissed! Anti-climatic! I love Christian and Julia together though, its about time they got a real shot. I feel bad for Kimber, she only acts the way she does cas shes crazy in love with Christian. Their mess with the Carver storyline is totally unresolved. As for Matt, I am so done with that whiney bastard. He's still such a sucker. This is Nip/Tuck, I bet you anything that Rachel one will convince him to be a suicide bomber or something crazy. Seriously, he gets worse and worse every season, from cutting off his penis to becoming a nazi to getting addicted to meth, basically all because some girl told him too. I wish one would just come along and tell him he'd survive jumping out of a plane with no parachute or something! I freaking love Nip/Tuck, its so damn good! I love how utterly insane and ridiculous it gets, its crazy awesome!
    Edited on 12/19/2007 4:25pm
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    tjaman

    [20]Dec 19, 2007
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    Erm, from what we've seen -- and yes, she could've been lying -- Rachel was the victim of a suicide bomber. Not herself a suicide bomber. She volunteers in the pediatric burn ward. Matt should be so lucky that some of that selflessness, compassion and maturity might influence him.

    And the Carver was as resolved as ever I want it to be, personally. I don't need to see that pair of freeqs ever, EVAH again, thank you so much. * shudder *

    All of this imo, of course. Your mileage may well vary.

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    Edited on 12/19/2007 6:08pm
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