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5.12 "Lulu Grandiron" Episode Discussion

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    LostSux

    [1]Feb 2, 2008
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    Here's the episode summary

    Eden looks to Sean for help after getting into business with Kimber and Ram. A group of wealthy socialites hire Christian for all of their cosmetic surgery needs. Sean discovers another side of Colleen.

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    randan02

    [3]Feb 4, 2008
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    The patients of the week have the wierdest names.
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    JaceJones

    [4]Feb 4, 2008
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    randan02 wrote:
    The patients of the week have the wierdest names.


    We used all the normal ones in the first couple of seasons haha.
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    LostSux

    [6]Feb 5, 2008
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    I've only seen four minutes of this so far, but I have to say..............The actress that play "Lulu" has had waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy too many plastic surgeries! My God! The only alternative is that she was born that way, which.................My God!
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    randan02

    [7]Feb 5, 2008
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    A punch in the face on the verge of a climax............ speaking of "Californication"...................
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    LostSux

    [8]Feb 5, 2008
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    About Christian: I know they were joking about this in the first episode, but I think Christian's hairline has severely receded since the beginning of the season. I thought they were done with the "Christian trying to be the star" arc since the reality show. His self esteem is obviously in the crapper again. I thought his lowest point was when he was a prostitute. I mean, to unzip your pants to get a job? What Kimber said must've really gotten to him. Why would he listen to her? Like he said, she's a ho.

    About Sean: What a chump. Has he gotten alzheimer's? She tried to ruin his daughter, and he wants to continue to sleep with her, and save her every opportunity he gets? He should've listened to his alter ego and become a eunuch.

    About the episode: These episodes just get better and better. I know it's not over yet, but this is definitely my second favorite season. The 3rd is my fav.

    Edited on 02/05/2008 11:07pm
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    randan02

    [9]Feb 5, 2008
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    Great episode! A little anti-climactic at the end. I was expecting Bliss' head in a fish tank or something, instead just an ugly old bear vendor with a few cuts. They more than made up for it with the comedy. "Any other dog lovers?" That cat lady was funny too!
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    kapaue

    [10]Feb 6, 2008
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    Where's Julia?, dammit!
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    tjaman

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    randan02 wrote:
    I was expecting Bliss' head in a fish tank or something, instead just an ugly old bear vendor with a few cuts.


    Holy G-d that would've been insane. I mean, amazing and terrifying and fantastic, but just freeqin' nutjob insane. Great idea.

    P.S. -- Right now I'm not 100 percent certain that that was Colleen's blood, so ...
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    tjaman

    [12]Feb 6, 2008
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    kapaue wrote:
    Where's Julia?, dammit!


    In the "Next week on Nip/Tuck" section, and no further comment here, but frankly I think they gave way too much away in that teaser.
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    ashaikh148

    [13]Feb 6, 2008
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    Finally a decent episode good enough as the first few of the season. Although the ending was kind of weird, it should be interesting to see what on earth coleen was up to, seeing her working at a bear stand in the mall was priceless.

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    ebayking90

    [14]Feb 6, 2008
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    Great episode, I am happy that Colleen true identity was finally revealed. I have mixed feelings about Sean and Eden. She seems to act like an innocent puppy dog around him, but elseswhere she acts like a spoiled brat. We still really don't know exactly what her true colors are. It is almost as if she is bipolar. Why she decided to believe crazy Colleen, I will never know. Sean went through all that trouble to get her out of porn and she believes that he was just using her. What an idiot!!!! Come on use your head Eden. Also, I agree with the previous poster, they might haven given away too much in the preview for next week. Hopefully it doesn't end up where the preview is better than the episode.
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    Seaig

    [15]Feb 6, 2008
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    Interesting "end" to Colleen's character. I'm still in shock that she became one of my new favorite characters, along with Rachael. Nip/Tuck did a great job with the character development of Season 5's newcombers.

    The Eden storyline was interesting. It was nice to see a vulnerable side to her character for a change, and it was brilliant to show that before her evil-doings to Julia are exposed in next week's episode, and may have possibly fatal consequences in the season finale the week after. Somehow tragedy is going to strike one of the characters when Eden's secret comes out, and as much as it would make sense for Eden to die, I think it may be a bystander such as Olivia.

    Speaking of which, I believe Olivia's character is going to be explored a great deal in these last 2 episodes, in terms of explaining her extended absenses and her failure to control or care about Eden's actions. Wouldn't it be a shock if Olivia had something to do with Julia's mercury poisoning? Maybe Olivia never got over she and Julia's near-death experience as everyone expected.

    I'd also like to put it out there that I'm loving how the character's screen time and storylines have been dispersed throughout the season. It's an interesting and risky editing decision, but I think it's definitely been working with the season's formula and I thought someone should comment on it.
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    Grammaton-Cleric

    [16]Feb 6, 2008
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    It was a pretty weak episode overall.

    Sean helping both Eden and Kimber struck me as ridiculous. Kimber is currently keeping his grandchild away from both he and Matt but he takes her money regardless.

    That makes zero sense.

    I also find his continued flirtations and his willingness to help Eden, especially after her many devious and nefarious schemes, completely lacking in credulity. Christian isn't an idiot but for reasons unknown the writers have dipped his I.Q. well below 100 recently. His deal with Ram to perform surgeries for his aging porn starlets was equally implausible. (The whole concept of bartering with medical services has been played out on this show and needs to end; professionals work for money, not favors.)

    Christian's "interview" was just plain silly. The whole "Ill show you mine" thing is a played out concept even within the construct of the show and illustrates how conceptually bankrupt the writers have become.

    The real clincher however wasChristian doing the "cat surgery". That whole subplot was beyond asinine. Firstly, he is convinced to perform the surgery because his ego is stroked by the patient. She calls him an artist; a sculptor in the tradition of the Renaissance artists. It's such an obvious and cliché bit of praise and yet Christian, who has been portrayed as a master manipulator of other people, completely swallows this transparent play on his vanity.

    Then he proceeds to perform the surgery without even glancing at the patient's medical history, something that I know to do and I don't have a single day of medical school in my credentials. They tried to gloss over this obvious logic hole with Sean's admonishment of Christian as they later reversed the surgery but it was a pitiful attempt to acknowledge that what Sean did was gross malpractice. Sorry, but I simply don't think Sean is that stupid, even when his ego is being stroked. It's as if the writers are forgetting the traits and personalities of their own characters, either intentionally for the purposes of supporting the story or because they simply have quit paying attention.

    The last scene with Kimber, Ram and Eden was trite nonsense. After whispering into Kimber's ear about business and her respecting the parameters of their industry, he rolls over and cuddles up to Eden. This is supposed to be a big money shot but it doesn't make a lot of sense. Eden is shown returning to the work she obviously hates for no particular purpose. The writers would have us believe that she is doing so after being rejected by Sean. The problem with that scenario is that this is the same Eden who is duplicitous and currently poisoning Julia. The idea of her being so easily wounded, not to mention the idea of her being so easily exploited, doesn't really mesh with what we've seen of the character thus far.

    To be fair, Eden could be doing all of this as a means to an end; some sort of grandiose master plan. If that's the case, and the payoff is actually solid, I'll happily eat some crow regarding her story arch.

    What was interesting to me is that when they ran the preview for the next episode it showed Julia and what appears to be a possible resolution regarding her poisoning. What was interesting about this preview is that it reaffirms my belief that this season doesn't really have any type of cohesive, structured narrative and instead is a random collection of plotlines attempting to pass off outrageous content as drama. Considering that Julia has been missing in action for two full episodes despite her relationship with Christian, her omission seems odd. It's also bizarre that Eden's mother didn't pop up in this episode given her established history as a strong and authoritative figure in her daughter's life. There seems to be no relationship between to the stories; no sense of cohesion beyond the superficial aspects of the narrative. In past seasons events of the show were intertwined and often led to reveals that were outrageous but rational in the world of Nip/Tuck. By contrast, these plotlines, while often outlandish and preposterous, don't appear to be connected by much of anything.

    Now, if I am to be completely objective in all of this, I would be remiss not to mention the fact that this season is going to be split. If all of these many, many plotlines end up merging together in a massive and interesting resolution then perhaps some of my criticisms are premature. However, given how poorly they handled the reveal and resolution of season 3 (I loved the season as a whole but, like many, I found the finale unsatisfying) I have my doubts that the writers can bring this all together in a meaningful way.

    To end on a positive, Sean's line to the assistant after everyone else leaves the room, "Are you a dog person too?", was hilarious.

    Edited on 02/06/2008 11:44am
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    ashaikh148

    [17]Feb 6, 2008
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    Just a heads up Grammaton, it was Christian who did the cat surgery, not Sean. Also when it came to the cat surgery i thought it was a really cool concept. I almost wish the lady who requested it didnt have to be crazy in the end to justify a person wanting to look slightly like a cat. Also it's been made extremely clear that McNamera/Troy operate outside the guidelines of modern medicine at times so it doesnt really surprise me that Christian missed a patient's history before a surgery considering he whipped his dick out in order to win the patient over in the first place, it wasnt exactly a normal doctor/patient scenaro.

    Eden has become almost become two different characters at this point. On one hand she's the manipulator who made inappropiate advances on Sean, turned Anne into a slut, and is still poisoning Julia. While on the other hand she's becoming a sympathetic figure who we found surprisingly vunerable to Coleen's remarks. I have no clue where the show is going to take her character by the end of the season but i am really interested in finding out.

    Julia's absense is odd, i hope that they explain that her and Christian stopped talking or something because it wouldnt be as believable if she comes back and theyve been together this whole time without us seeing her.

    Edited on 02/06/2008 10:45am
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    mattsafreak

    [18]Feb 6, 2008
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    I liked the whole episode. I didn't know what to expect at the beginning of the season with the new location and whatnot, but it has been a helluva ride so far. It was great to see Christian back to his smug and confident self. It was also great to see Donna Mills and Joan Van-Ark together again. Joan looks like one sneeze might split her face open but I still love her. ;-) I was surprised that Sean found out Colleens secret so soon. I thought that one would be dragged out til the end of the season. It was also good to see Kimber back. Wish I could say the same about Eden.
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    Grammaton-Cleric

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    ashaikh148 wrote:

    Just a heads up Grammaton, it was Christian who did the cat surgery, not Sean. Also when it came to the cat surgery i thought it was a really cool concept. I almost wish the lady who requested it didnt have to be crazy in the end to justify a person wanting to look slightly like a cat. Also it's been made extremely clear that McNamera/Troy operate outside the guidelines of modern medicine at times so it doesnt really surprise me that Christian missed a patient's history before a surgery considering he whipped his dick out in order to win the patient over in the first place, it wasnt exactly a normal doctor/patient scenaro.

    Eden has become almost become two different characters at this point. On one hand she's the manipulator who made inappropiate advances on Sean, turned Anne into a slut, and is still poisoning Julia. While on the other hand she's becoming a sympathetic figure who we found surprisingly vunerable to Coleen's remarks. I have no clue where the show is going to take her character by the end of the season but i am really interested in finding out.

    Julia's absense is odd, i hope that they explain that her and Christian stopped talking or something because it wouldnt be as believable if she comes back and theyve been together this whole time without us seeing her.

    Thanks for pointing the typo out. I actually did that twice for some reason.

    I agree that the surgeons have always practiced their trade outside the normal conventions of their profession but the cat thing seems like a pretty big leap, especially given their high-profile reputations. (Although Christian did this one without consulting Sean, supposedly in response to his vanity being stroked)

    The patient history thing is complete fantasy however; any surgeon must check a patient's history before operating to see if they have a medical history that would complicate matters, such as allergies and any pre-existing medical conditions. The fact that she was clinically diagnosed as bipolar and was taking regular medication for her condition would have been in her case files and no doctor would have missed that, especially somebody as smart as Christian.

    As to Eden, you may be right. I haven't decided on how I'm prepared to take her character. One of the best scenes of this season was when she was modeling for her gay male friend and he convinced her that she was overweight; the look of devastation and self-hate on her face was wrenching. I was really hoping they would explore that aspect of her character more but lately it's been the "Evil Eden" onscreen. I'm assuming her character will be ultimately viewed as unredeemable given what she is doing to Julie but her story is potentially interesting.

    Regardless, you make some interesting counterpoints.

    Edited on 02/06/2008 11:46am
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    justinwestnet

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    I enjoyed the episode. I hate Colleen, she's one of those characters that come along every now and then that drives you nuts and you can't get rid of. Glad she was exposed and as someone mentioned above I was expecting the blonde chicks body at Seans house. I wonder if she'll actually die. We'll see. The cat story was kind of dumb but at least next week they finally finish off the Julia illness.
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