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Can you stand Michelle?

Can you stand Michelle?

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    aznfairy408

    [61]Aug 27, 2007
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    Michelle is so annoying and her personality is so fake!i disliked her character from the very beginning for lying to Christian about everything, she steals human organs, she is a gold digger who killed her husband, forcing Christian to sell his bachelor pads, and she only wanted to be Wilbur's adoptive mom because his is black when in the first place she was objective and made it clear that she doesn't want raise a a child w/ Christian.What really annoyed me the most was when Michelle confessed about how she knew Escobar wife and the secret business w/ James, it's like Christian forgave her right away and kissed Michelle in the operating room.It's like hello Christian if I were you I would be scare for my life and for Wilbur's sake and to stay the hell away from this woman and to never never ever trust her again!!!!
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    SouhilaInParis

    [62]Aug 28, 2007
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    C'mon you people !! She was the less skanky woman Christian 's ever been with (maybe except Natasha) ... plus , you guys talk about her as she was evil but when you think about it, she did just like the other characters did, except, them , they have been forgiven... Plus she was super in love with Christian,saying this is fake is obviously a biased point of vue , maybe from Christian/Julia or Christian/Kimber 's fans.

    There are actually a lot of people who appreciated her character and want her to come back .

    So I give you 2 links , the first is one of the most downloaded Nip tuck vid' on youtube about Christian/Michelle relationship, the second is a very very interesting article showing how Michelle was a mirror of the main characters

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfixZgoObzc

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361217/board/nest/61167579?p=1

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    aznfairy408

    [63]Aug 30, 2007
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    Since this is Nip/Tuck where this show can never have a happy ending, Christian made the right decision tomoved to Hollywood to start aa new practice w/ Sean and leave Michelle behind. Michelle is not the right girl for Christian and I hated her influences on Christian where he when from being a promiscuous single guy to being stupid& hopeless which is so pathetic!!! I am a hopeless romantic and everything, but I just don't buy the whole idea of Christian " being in love w/ a woman so quickly" after blackmailing her to have sex w/ him it doesn't go well w/ his character since the beginning of the show where he has issues committing to monogamous relationships. I actually liked Christian w/ Kimber because they had great chemistry, they may fight, argued and have problems compromising sometimes, at least they were able to be honest w/ each other. The problem w/ the Christian and Michelle relationship was that they couldn't be honest w/ each other( Michelle mainly) and Christian trusted her w/everything that goes on her lifeand couldn't catch on to the reasons and excuses on why she needs to leave in the middle of night to do the " secret business w/ James".. Another thing, at least when Christian was w/ Kimber their relationship was not rush at all and it took time to developed into something sweet and meaningful even thoughit started out rocky and on the wrong foot when their relationship were first based on physical attraction and sex only. Even Ryan himself said that He likes the pairing of Christian and Kimber. Here's an article from the New York Times 2005 I believe which talks about Christian and Kimber.

    The Character: It Wasn't True Love Until He Rebuilt Her Nose
    Author: KATE AURTHUR

    IN the series premiere of "Nip/Tuck" in 2003, Kimber (Kelly Carlson) got breast implants, abdominal liposuction, cheekbone enhancements and a nose job, at the suggestion of Dr. Christian Troy (Julian McMahon), a plastic surgeon who is one of the show's lead characters. The already beautiful Kimber thought - after a one-night stand with the womanizing, manipulative Christian - that getting the surgeries was the way into his heart. But when she didn't hear from him after the operations, she appeared at his office, hyperventilating so much that she blew out her stitches.
    Ms. Carlson said she assumed that the single episode would be her only appearance on the FX series. "She's the pretty girl, a little bit of tragedy, she gets her heart broken," she said. "She's dumped and gone." But in this week's show (Tuesday at 10 p.m., Eastern and Pacific times ; 9, Central time), Kimber and Christian will move toward a more permanent partnership after two seasons of sporadic, twisted coupledom.

    Ryan Murphy, the show's creator, said directing Ms. Carlson during her maniacal scene in the pilot changed the character's fate. "I remember coaching her through it while the cameras were rolling, telling her to breathe deeper and get more hysterical," he said. Ms. Carlson responded exactly as he had hoped, and Mr. Murphy paid her what might have been, in this context, the ultimate compliment. "I was so into Kelly and her performance that I got a nosebleed," he said.

    So later in Season 1, he brought Kimber back, as Christian's girlfriend. "Nip/Tuck" is known for its elaborate, explicit sex, and Ms. Carlson and Mr. McMahon have engaged in near acrobatics. In one scene, while she pretended to be a prostitute, they had sex in his car, but she kept hitting her head on the roof. "I'm a model, not an actress," Kimber said to Christian. "This is totally uncomfortable."

    "The sex was, at first, a hint unnerving," Ms. Carlson said. Mr. Murphy said: "There's a lot of nudity, there's a lot of vulnerability, there's a lot of sex as intimacy. Her stuff is hard."

    But gimmicky sex was the least of Kimber's problems, once Christian betrayed her by trading her to another plastic surgeon for a Lamborghini. "Kimber Henry would make a perfect mother for my children," Dr. Merrill Bobolit (Joey Slotnick) proposed to Christian. "My DNA mixed with hers all but assures a blond Jew."

    When she found out what Christian had done, Kimber tied him up and threatened him with a knife. "Cry for me!" she begged him. "Why couldn't you just love me?"

    After leaving him, Kimber ended up with Merrill - the ultimate debasement - and a cocaine addiction. In an episode in Season 2, she dug through her purse on the floor of a restaurant bathroom, in search of leftover drugs. "You need to go to a place when you're performing a cocaine binge where you really don't care about yourself very much," Ms. Carlson said.

    Kimber's habit eventually led her back to Christian - he reconstructed the nasal passages that her cocaine use had ravaged. In better health, she embarked on a successful career in pornography. By the end of Season 2, and now in Season 3, she is a mogul, and Ms. Carlson is now a series regular, no longer a guest. About Kimber's transformation, Mr. Murphy said: "It is fun to come up with those, 'What horrible thing can Kimber endure?' But more fun than thatis what she can overcome."

    By "Nip/Tuck" standards, Kimber's relationship with Christian is stable. "They have the same faults," Ms. Carlson said. Mr. Murphy said, "She is the only woman that Christian Troy should really be with." But he warned viewers. "In typical fashion, it won't end well," he said with a laugh. "We can't have a happy ending on the show."

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    SouhilaInParis

    [64]Aug 31, 2007
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    It was a 2005 article, and since then things have changed a lot !! Just think of the episode 407 and the way Christian treated Kimber , he's been a realbastard , I don't think it's the way you treat someone you really love.

    Plus , Christian 's always been a promiscuous man , right , but just try to remember how many time he said that he wanted someone who could attract him physically and mentally , that he wanted someone he could stand when out of having sex, someone on the "top of the supply chain" , how Sean was lucky to have a family . Christian 's always been looking for this woman (remember the discussion with Grace Santiago ) and he found his alter ego with Michelle.

    Plus , because of the K thing, Christian just can't end up with Kimber !

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    aznfairy408

    [65]Aug 31, 2007
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    all I got to say Michelle was just a rebound and "she was in the right place at the right time" for Christian who had just recently been lonely and depressed for losing his fiancee for what the Carver did to her.When Christian fixed Kimber's face, he wanted to reschedule the wedding, but Kimber said she couldn't be w/ him anymore because their relationship was so super-facial it devastated him and when he said" I need to be w/ you Kimber" he meant it. In the Cindy Plumb episode Dr. Faith asked if he ever been in loving adult relationship and "Kimber" was one of the two he mentioned to her. Also, Sean talked about how he knows Christian have been going through a rough time for a couple months w/out Kimber in his life. I'll admit what Christian did to Kimber was wrong and sicken when he used her for the sex while being drunk,but sooner or later Kimber and him will get back together eventually... why else was she in the gay dream sequence w/ Sean and Michelle... I believe Kimber was in that dream for a reason. Michelle is a weak character because she only married Burt for security purposes and she wasn't able to stand up to James everytime she forced her to go hunting for kidneys and watched as innocent people get their kidneys stolen andwhat they did to Reefer's body was just inhumane. What Michelle should have done was to threatenJames to leave her alone or she get the police involved.Kimber is better for Christian because they have similarcharacteristics and she is independent w/ the success of her porn star career andshe even put the clause " to have three way sex" in the prenup whenshe was engaged to Christian, sure it was random to put that but it made sense because she just didn't want their sex life to be dull and tiringas a married couple.Kimber may be ditzy and crazy sometimes but at least she is not fake!!!!
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    SouhilaInParis

    [66]Sep 2, 2007
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    aznfairy408 wrote:
    all I got to say Michelle was just a rebound and "she was in the right place at the right time" for Christian who had just recently been lonely and depressed for losing his fiancee for what the Carver did to her.When Christian fixed Kimber's face, he wanted to reschedule the wedding, but Kimber said she couldn't be w/ him anymore because their relationship was so super-facial it devastated him and when he said" I need to be w/ you Kimber" he meant it. In the Cindy Plumb episode Dr. Faith asked if he ever been in loving adult relationship and "Kimber" was one of the two he mentioned to her. Also, Sean talked about how he knows Christian have been going through a rough time for a couple months w/out Kimber in his life. I'll admit what Christian did to Kimber was wrong and sicken when he used her for the sex while being drunk,but sooner or later Kimber and him will get back together eventually... why else was she in the gay dream sequence w/ Sean and Michelle... I believe Kimber was in that dream for a reason. Michelle is a weak character because she only married Burt for security purposes and she wasn't able to stand up to James everytime she forced her to go hunting for kidneys and watched as innocent people get their kidneys stolen andwhat they did to Reefer's body was just inhumane. What Michelle should have done was to threatenJames to leave her alone or she get the police involved.Kimber is better for Christian because they have similarcharacteristics and she is independent w/ the success of her porn star career andshe even put the clause " to have three way sex" in the prenup whenshe was engaged to Christian, sure it was random to put that but it made sense because she just didn't want their sex life to be dull and tiringas a married couple.Kimber may be ditzy and crazy sometimes but at least she is not fake!!!!
    I think Christian deserves really better than Kimber who Sean very well described as a "declining porn star ". And you can't say Kimber and Christian are similar coz' the only thing that ever connected them was sex, and only sex, indeed this is a thing they love commonly. That makes me laugh when you say that Michelle was just here at the right time , because honestly it shows you don't want to face the truth about Kimber and Christian relationship !! Wasn't Kimber there coz' Christian was really , really depressed after he was assaulted by the carver ... she played the perfect nurse with him , that's all she ever dreamt about , Christian needing her for once. I admit Michelle has a dark side, but Christian is not as white as snow if you know what I mean and that is why they were the perfect match to me ... the evil side in them not coming from greed but rather from their occasionnal weakness and vulnerability. Plus, they showed a lot of chivalry towards each other , not revealing the important sacrifices they made to each other to be together. That's why Sean recognized them as "the real deal".

    Oh , and yes , beyond all the plastic covering her face and her body , Kimber is not fake .

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    aznfairy408

    [67]Sep 2, 2007
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    ok I'll admit their relationship did start of on a wrong start w/ their drama andbeing based on sexalone. I truly belive he did love her at one point. Kimber is madly in love w/ Christian and she was only woman who can accept him for who he really is and she was the one being supportive of him during the AIDS scare situation when the other women Christian called got out of hand and started **** and yelling at him.

    here are reasons toprove that Christian did love Kimber:

    *When Christian was watching the video of Kit questioning Kimber at the police station, he got all offended by the way she was treating his girlfriend and how he thought Kimber didn't deserve to be treated like a criminal when Kit accused Kimber of helping Christian w/ his crimes of being the Carver. Christian even admitted to loving her when Kit said that he was acting like someone who was actually capable of loving someone.
    *In prison, Christian had a dream of him waking up at home and Kimber acting all cute,caring,making him breakfast in bed, and Kimber trying to seduce him into getting into the shower.
    *When Christian proposed to Kimber the second time around, you can see his facial expression that he was serious and wanted her to be happy by giving what she wanted a proper romantic proposal. When he did it the first time, Kimber knew it didn't come from the heart and Christian was only doing it because he was lonely and depressed and saying how she was the one who was there and could count on her for anything, but mainly sex.
    *Christian didn't approve of his fiancee doing porn and selling sex dolls of herself on the market, because he didn't like the idea being married to a porn star and how thousands of guys can have sex w/ her doll anytime they wanted . If he was the old Christian from season 1 back when he didn't pay much attention to her or even loved her at all, he would've been like" I don't care if my gf is a porn star and thats cool w/ me if men wants to buy the Kimber doll".
    *When Christian thought Kimber had left at the altar on the wedding day u can see he was sad and told Sean "I did love her ", In fact, before the wedding he told Sean that he was excited about the wedding even though he had doubts about settling down w/ any women at all. In the next episode after the wedding day, he was acting tough and strong like he didn't cared, but deep down he was feeling hurt . In the episode Christian would draw lipstick all over Abby's body and have sex w/ her from behind because it reminded him of Kimber and thats what he did to her on the night he met her. Also, after reading the letter the Carver forced Kimber to do he cried his heart out.
    * In the episode with the airplane crash, when he saw the blonde lady w/ a fork stuck on her chest, Christian was visualizing Kimber being there ,and how the imginary Kimber mentioning how he would think about her everywhere he went and couldn't get her out of his head.
    *When the Carver released Kimber, and Christian finding she is still alive and was kidnapped for weeks, his mian focus in the episode was to see her, tell her he misses her so much, to fixed her face and reschedule the wedding.But, Kimber needed to be on her own away from the super facial world and broke up w/ him,Christian got all sad and can see it in his eyes he didn't want the relationship to end.
    *In the Cyndi Plumb episode, Sean was telling Christian how he knows his best friend have been going through a rough time for several months of life without Kimber.Also, during the therapy session w/ Dr. Faith he saidKimber was one of " his two loving adult relationship" he ever had in his life
    10) and lastly, in the episode where he shows up at Kimber's apartment and breaking the door to get in and talked to her about her involvement w/ Matt and new religion. Kimber said she couldn't see him or be w/ him anymore because he was the man causing problems in her past and how she was done w/ all the suffering and pain.Christian felt bad, by confessing to her that he loved her when they were a couple, and Kimber made accusations that he never actully loved her for who she was and only loved her what he created her into. When she said that to him, Christian got angry for thinking that way about him.

    I'm not the only person who hated the Christian/ Michelle relationship because I went other forums and many of the other fans feel that the relationship was wayyyyy too rushed and random where Christian's intention was to blackmailed Michelle into sleeping w/ him and then later "he is in love"it's like whoaaaaaa slow down how, when and why did that happened? when this happened people couldn't buy the idea of Christian loving this woman. The reason for the doomed relationship was that it wasn't a trusting one w/all Michelle lies and sneaking around and how Christian took so longfigured out her dirty little secret. I don't blame Christian for breaking up w/ Michelle at the end because he can never trust her again sinceshe was partly responsible for why Liz's kidneys were stolen and Christiansees Liz as being his sister even though they have their differences.All I gotta sayjust glad she is not coming back!!!! I prefer Christian being a player or being w/ Kimber is fine too.

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    SouhilaInParis

    [68]Sep 2, 2007
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    No need to assess all the moments Kimber and Christian had a connection , I don't deny they actually had a relationship. I just call into question the fact Christian had a real , deep and genuine love for Kimber. I'd rather say , if love there was, it came from despair from Christian.

    With Michelle , he actually lost this "thing in his throat", he wanted to build a family , I loved to see him this way all the more I we know he's an irresistible bastardsure , their love was quick and unexpected , but it's called love at first sight , and even Christian can be touched by it ...sic the manylooks in 401.

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    aznfairy408

    [69]Sep 3, 2007
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    To make it plain & simple Michelle was ab1tchy selfish gold digging whore! I hate gold diggers in general and have no sympathy towards Michelle what so ever and was so upset that she did not go to jail or died for her dark secret.
    Edited on 09/03/2007 6:34pm
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    adriantorres187

    [70]Sep 8, 2007
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    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:
    I never had a problem with her until Wilber came in. When she thought she'd have to take care of a child she was all "No way" but then when Wilber truned out to be black she was just fine with it? Rasict!

    i agree shes nothing but a racist and a murderer and a kidney stealing butcher and a gold digging Wh#!e, well shes a lot of things andi hate her

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    aznfairy408

    [71]Sep 10, 2007
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    "That's why Sean recognized them as "the real deal".

    As I recall, Sean doesn't like Michelle at all when Christian told Sean about her dark secret in the operating room preparing for Galla's breast surgery. Sean advised Christian that he should not be w/ Michelle anymore because she will keep on lying to him ,how she putting thebusiness in jeporady,andwhen she came in the surgery and said " thank you Sean" instead of saying "you're welcome" he was dogging her. I don't hate the actress who plays Michelle because I liked her in Love and Basketball it's just that Michelle was poorly written on the show andobiviously not the right girl for Christian.

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    SleepTight

    [72]Sep 22, 2007
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    Michelle was great, sexiest woman on Nip/Tuck for sure.

    I liked James better though, Michelle was a little too sweet sometimes.
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    fadingfan

    [73]Oct 6, 2007
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    I liked Michelle. She was flawed like Christian, had been blackmailed into doing horrid things, like Christian and I noticed when they each asked if there were any more secrets, they both lied. A perfect match really. They were also a very attractive couple.

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    Milks23

    [74]Oct 6, 2007
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    Sanaa Lathan played the role very well.

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    mishelly888

    [75]Oct 16, 2007
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    I loved Michelle. Sanaa was amazing and her and Christian had great chemistry.
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    aznfairy408

    [76]Oct 18, 2007
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    fadingfan wrote:

    I liked Michelle. She was flawed like Christian, had been blackmailed into doing horrid things, like Christian and I noticed when they each asked if there were any more secrets, they both lied. A perfect match really. They were also a very attractive couple.

    They both have secrets on the show yes, but you can't really say that Michelle & Christian are alike in many ways because both their secrets have different circumstances and Michelle's dark secret cannot be compare to what Christian was trying to hide since it's not the same & the fact Christian didn't killanyone ,because she drugged innocent people & took their kidneys and she let Burt died when he wanted to get his medicine, and just took both of his kidneys... God Michelle is such a b1tch!!!! Christian's secrets were that he accepted $$$ from Silvio to do hisface-lift which was the man who stole $$$ from escobar his old boss,then Silvio's brother killed him & Sean and Christian had to dumped Silvio's body into the swamp where the alligator ate the body. Afterward, Escobar blackmailed Sean and Christian to operatingon his girls from out of the country by taking out their heroin implants and finally operated on Escobar to give him a new face.
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    ImNucleur

    [77]Oct 24, 2007
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    Michelle. Michelle. Michelle.

    You people are forgetting that as I can only rmemeber its not like she stole MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF KIDNEYS PEOPLE. I know that doesn't justify it but you all act if she's this horrible person because of the few kidneys she did steal. Burt wasdead before she took the kidneys anyway, plus he was an ass and deserved it. Her past was being a whore not a murderer. As for goldigger? She golddigged Burt not Christian, Burt's dead, she ALREADY HAS HIS MONEY AND HIS COMPANY, which means she's not golddigging Christian(because she has no reason to) plus Christian would figure that much out wouldn't he? She didn't do that to Reefers body, James did. Now to the point Christians was genuinley happy with her, he felt he had a family, which he did. She didn't know how she would react to Wilbur but once she had him she fell in love with him. Thats completly typical. Not because she's rascist. Christian was selfish with Kimber he kept reminding her of the prenup,remember? He made her focus on the way she looked. Told her to drop her career, or him. Isn't love unconditional? Not materialistic as Christian was? He didn't love her he more loved the idea of her, the idea of finally settiling. Now, Michelle... they consider themselves Even. Both with secrets.Both with money.Both with their own share of issues.Both sexy. By them being even they attract themselves, mentally. And they have Wilbur to bind them.

    Holy Geez, for a sophmore I feel smart.

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    crimsonmiss

    [78]Oct 30, 2007
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    Loved Michelle and Christian together. I'm looking forward to this new season(yay! premiere night), but will miss her alot. Hopefully, there will be at least some (nice) mention of her.
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    SouhilaInParis

    [79]Oct 31, 2007
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    Yay !!! Good to see some support , felt lonely defending Michelle !!!! And yes , Christian and her had definitely an awesome chemistry together ...

    So disappointed by the season premiere ...no reference to her ... what a shame!!

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    tjaman

    [80]Oct 31, 2007
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    There was a reference to her. Christian said they poured their settlement money from Michelle into the new practice.

    Yeah, it was only one line and it was fleeting and all but meaningless, but no reference means no reference, and there was one.
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