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Season Finale Discussion Thread - 4x15 - "Gala Gallardo" SPOILERS

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    dezigner4web

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    mattsafreak wrote:
    dezigner4web wrote:

    Psyris wrote:
    Funny seeing whats-his-name from Buffy, it put a smiley on my face ... 

    Jonathan M. Woodward (Knox) - was that him?

    Well I kept thinking - moving M/T to Hollywood feels allot like moving Angel Investigations into Wolfram & Hart.

     

    It was Danny Strong (Jonathan) from BtVS.

    Yeah, now Christian and Sean can fight cellulite from within the belly of the beast...LOL!



    Ooooooh. I missed that WAS him! But you're right!

    http://www.slayground.net/danny/news.html

    Danny appeared on the season finale of Nip/Tuck on December 12th. Tune in to FX Tuesdays at 10 PM PST/EST for Nip/Tuck. 

     He has matured a bit and I didn't recognize him! I'll have to go back and watch that again!

    VERY COOL!

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    CyclopticXander

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    Holy crap I missed the signing part, I stoped watching after they fed the aligators....Does anyone know where I can see a clip of the last few minutes?
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    tjaman

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    Encore presentations on Friday and Sunday.
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    JaceJones

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    I don't have time for a review right now, I'll do it later. Buttt...I just have a little trivia thing for you guys.

    Sean and Christian wore the same outfits in the alligator scene last night as they did in the alligator scene in the pilot. I thought that was awesome.
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    duter4

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    My (random) thoughts about last night's finale...

    Here, here to Escobar's death! While I have always, always enjoyed his psychopathic character, I was starting to feel that it was a wee bit much. It was Escobar's time: not too soon, not too late. A perfect wrap-up to the character (and of course, who doesn't love the ironic way Christian, Sean and Liz disposed of his body? Perfect!)

    That being said...his death didn't come as too much of a shocker either. Once we met Gala, saw that she was more successful at the "biz" than her hubby, and learned that SHE wears the pants in the family, well...it was only a matter of time before she took over completely, one way or another. Fortunately, our Liz didn't have to pull the trigger herself, but at least she provided the weapon for Gala. Quick and easy for the wife to hit that trigger. Go girl.

    Matt and Kimber, in just the bit that was shown...I don't even know what to say about them anymore. I liked Sean's warning to Kimber to "try harder" to love Matt, since Matt seems to be a whipped, smitten puppy dog. But Kimber being pregnant, while still pining after Troy, and playing house with Matt...I just don't know where that storyline is going to go. I'll be interested to see what the writers come up with over the next several months (gulp! I hate waiting that long!)

    Michelle...please, please, please let the talk of Sanaa being signed on for next season just be a rumor??? I have never cared for her character, never bought into the fact that Christian loves her, and last night's ending - with Christian taking the ring back, quitting and moving to Hollywood to find Sean - would be a nice, neat little way to wrap up that character as well. It's time, don't you think?

    And then there was the singing. Or should I say lip-synching. When I first saw it, I immediately thought back to that post on the spoiler thread about using a song in a dramatic tv show in a unique way. Eh, ok, it's somewhat unique, but I think it has been done before...hasn't it? At any rate, at first I found it odd, then I started to warm up to it a bit (Kimber was the best at it) and then it did what it was probably supposed to...it made me sad. I thought, Surely the episode can't just end with this? They're all alone, and depressed, and not where they want to be. So in that way, it was unique, because it managed to connect every single character with that one, single thought: I should be happy, but I'm not. Pan to Christian's surprise visit to Sean in L.A. and voila! Nip/Tuck has set itself up for a fresh start and I am oh so excited for next season!

    Speaking of next season, just a few points of speculation...I assume Liz will welcome a fresh start as well, and join the boys in California? Not sure about Matt and Kimber... so many things could happen! I can't wait!
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    duter4 wrote:
    Michelle...please, please, please let the talk of Sanaa being signed on for next season just be a rumor???


    My best guess is we see her hassle Christian over Wilbur custody. I'm almost betting that she will get Wilbur because she will probably prove Christian is a wild-ass sex freak. I mean common, it's a great way to exit Wilbur safely and do you'all really think Christian should raise Wilbur.... really?

    So I think we will see Michelle played out as an annoying threat to Christian next season. Which works since most of the fan base doesn't seem to like her ... or at least doesn't seem to want her with Christian in the end.

    Christian tied down with Wilbur would limit his role greatly. IMHO.

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    tjaman

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    Most of the fanbase or half a dozen people in here?
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    justinwestnet

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    JHBLADER86 wrote:
    How can you say you were dissapointed in the season if you never watched the other seasons?? Seems like a very biased statement.

    I meant I was dissapointed because I thought it would be more dramatic, but it had a very anti-climatic ending and kind of tailed off.  All the previews I saw on F/X this past week made me believe it was going to be like that.  Also, it doesn't matter if I have'nt seen seasons 1-3, I could still put together the events that led up to last nights show. 

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    dezigner4web

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    tjaman wrote:
    Most of the fanbase or half a dozen people in here?

    In here .... but you bumped it out so what stats do you have to say otherwise?

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    JaceJones

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    hostile1985 wrote:

    Anyone know the name of the song they are all singing towards the end?....

    Something 'Makes me happy'.....Not sure of what it is, thanks.



    Brighter Discontent by The Submarines.
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    tjaman

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    I'm not going to tell you that if you didn't like this episode that there's something wrong with you. I'm not going to say it was the best episode of "Nip/Tuck" I've ever seen ever, or that it was the best season finale ever.

    I will say this.

    I. Loved. It.

    No, it didn't satisfy me in every possible way. I guess Murph really was telling us to just accept that Christian was deeply, impossibly overwhelmed with such feelings of love for Michelle that he's behaved so strangely this season.

    I was expecting something that went all the way back to S1, where he told Kimber that he was incapable of love. Or something that was awakened when he met his mother, a need for a connection, or a sense of abandonment when Kimber rejected him or something -- not just this "Dangerous Liaisons"-I-need-you-because-I-cannot-have-you thing.

    But to resolve it in a conversation between Matt and Sean -- that Kimber's still in love with Christian (and from Christian's own actions this season -- throwing down with Kimber when he was still building this unbreakable emotional bond with Michelle, and then the amniocentesis, suggesting that he still really cares what's going on with Kimber regardless of what he says) was disappointing.

    Even Christian's direct conversation with Michelle was repetitive, and I just saw part of the "Six Feet Under" episode titled "The Liar and the Ho," and I couldn't uncouple that image of Nathan and Brenda in those T-shirts from Christian and Michelle in bed. We didn't hear what she told him, finally, we didn't hear why specifically she and Burt sought out McNamara/Troy in the first place, and if Michelle didn't want to burst forth with "I've been seducing people, drugging them and stealing their kidneys!" Christian didn't want to tell her about Silvio Perez, either.

    But maybe they were ready to understand that there were too many important things about each other they couldn't trust and that's really where that needed to end. Michelle always having to chase down some little emergency or another in one of Burt's buildings was just ringing so cold -- no wonder Christian followed her.

    I have to mention a most excellent shoutout to Linda Klein. When Christian referenced her rolling her eyes. "This place wouldn't function without Nurse Linda" (or something) -- that was cool. I wonder if she'll be following them to Beverly Hills. I sure hope Liz does -- what's keeping her in Miami, anyway?

    Gala was phenomenal. I found her to be scary, and while I found her makeup job to be sadly unworthy of this show's makeup team (maybe all of their Emmy-winning makeup people left for network jobs ... ?), it was a jawdropping storyline. That being said, I'm surprised there was tissue to work with. I was sure there'd have to be donor grafts at least.

    I loved how imperious she was, even lying down, and how much power she had over Escobar. It answered my question about how Escobar managed the business from prison, and her last line was beautiful, where Sean is demanding that she take responsibility for the body, and she replies: "I know ... but he's just too hard to get through customs."

    And her whole storyline had an excellent resonance with the vibe for the end of this season. To wit: We were too hated. We had to leave. We had to escape. Colombia was too confining, and dangerous, and you can only build walls so high.

    You can only do so much. Miami is done. It's been done and done. We're too hated here, we can't do anything new. After the in-depth exploration of the South Beach porn industry and multiple serial brutalizers, after awhile, you've really done everything you can do.

    It was time for the show to change dramatically.

    Fresh start. Fresh everything.

    And there were so many structural ties with "Angel" -- up to and including a problematic son called Conor who vanishes as an infant and who we meet again as an adult. At the end of a somewhat wacky fourth season, there's a huge shift in location and the show is injected with a fresh, bright new energy.

    Also in L.A.

    So the camera leaves our heroes leaning on the L in the HOLLYWOOD sign, a pretty unmistakeable location shot. I just felt a little bit bad that they were such tiny dots. Murph should've put them in deep foreground with the sign behind them, but creative choices are creative choices.

    Speaking of which ...

    ... rather than lip-syncing, maybe they should've had them actually sing. But then, maybe one of them can't actually sing, so they had to do it the way they did.

    But for those of you who say that ruined it, c'mon. Art has always been a huge driving force in this show, and this level of artistic storytelling is a valid choice for exploring character development. It's not even four minutes long; fast-forward it if it ticks you off so much.

    I began by saying I don't judge people for disliking this installment, but I have to observe that it seems to me like some people really get off on being dissatisfied, and they should maybe explore what it is about their lives that they feel gives them the right to demand so much of a television program.

    For me, this was a truly impressive closure to a chapter of Sean and Christian's lives. I loved that in this case, Christian came to Sean (rather than just forcing Sean to return), I loved how with Miami firmly in the rearview mirror there are so many exciting possibilities. As Christian said, this city needs him, and as damaged and broken as they've been, this change, this banishment of painful memories, this ocean of wealth and the potential for many, many thorny problems for our boys to encounter and overcome ...

    ... that, to me, is just exciting.
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    dezigner4web

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    tjaman wrote:
    But for those of you who say that ruined it, c'mon. Art has always been a huge driving force in this show, and this level of artistic storytelling is a valid choice for exploring character development. It's not even four minutes long; fast-forward it if it ticks you off so much. I began by saying I don't judge people for disliking this installment, but I have to observe that it seems to me like some people really get off on being dissatisfied, and they should maybe explore what it is about their lives that they feel gives them the right to demand so much of a television program.


    I'm pretty sure people can say the singing along was cheesy and that doesn't mean they are demanding too much from television. Isn't this statement a little over the top? You, my friend, sound angry.

    This is the place to critique what we saw. Good, bad, ugly, pretty or otherwise. Period.

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    tjaman wrote:
    I guess Murph really was telling us to just accept that Christian was deeply, impossibly overwhelmed with such feelings of love for Michelle that he's behaved so strangely this season. I was expecting something that went all the way back to S1, where he told Kimber that he was incapable of love. Or something that was awakened when he met his mother, a need for a connection, or a sense of abandonment when Kimber rejected him or something -- not just this "Dangerous Liaisons"-I-need-you-because-I-cannot-have-you thing. But to resolve it in a conversation between Matt and Sean -- that Kimber's still in love with Christian (and from Christian's own actions this season -- throwing down with Kimber when he was still building this unbreakable emotional bond with Michelle, and then the amniocentesis, suggesting that he still really cares what's going on with Kimber regardless of what he says) was disappointing. 

    Agreed.

    And I never get the feeling that Kimber still loved Christian at all during S4. Where did that come from last night?

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    duter4

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    dezigner4web wrote:
    And I never get the feeling that Kimber still loved Christian at all during S4. Where did that come from last night?


    It was implied earlier in the season: once, when Christian arrived drunk at her door and slept with Kimber (she was quick to welcome him back into her bed, and seemed to expect that it meant he was back in her life, as well) and later (same episode, I think?) when she hooked up with Matt. My interpretation was that it was in retaliation for how Christian betrayed her trust. Also, Kimber's sudden shift to scientology seemed to be a way of moving on and getting over Christian (and that other small matter of being kidnapped and tortured, but I'll stick on the Troy-Kimber love topic for now). Just my opinion, but I've had that feeling for a good portion of the season.
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    I dunno. Maybe. I feel like I slept through the season or somehow disconnected while watching. Either I wasn't paying enough attention here --or-- they didn't drive home some of these points I was supposed to be feeling.

    Ya know??

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    dezigner4web wrote:
    tjaman wrote:
    But for those of you who say that ruined it, c'mon. Art has always been a huge driving force in this show, and this level of artistic storytelling is a valid choice for exploring character development. It's not even four minutes long; fast-forward it if it ticks you off so much. I began by saying I don't judge people for disliking this installment, but I have to observe that it seems to me like some people really get off on being dissatisfied, and they should maybe explore what it is about their lives that they feel gives them the right to demand so much of a television program.


    I'm pretty sure people can say the singing along was cheesy and that doesn't mean they are demanding too much from television. Isn't this statement a little over the top? You, my friend, sound angry.

    This is the place to critique what we saw. Good, bad, ugly, pretty or otherwise. Period.



    True, and we're not all going to react to everything the same way.

    I guess I just get so tired of the nitpickery and am having flashbacks of how "terrible" the Carver reveal was. I was on the edge of my edge during that entire scene and my eyes popped out of my head when I learned that they were brother and sister, and then I came in here and people were all babbling about how they knew it all along and what a disappointment.

    My heart was in my throat a bunch of times last night, and I also laughed my ass off a few times, as well as being pleased by a number of references to past episodes and seasons, so I dunno.

    Everyone doesn't have to love everything and follow Murph around like slavering puppies, but where does the hate come from?

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    tjaman wrote:
    ... but where does the hate come from? .


    Well ... why did you hate the beginning of the Halmark presentation with the bouncing credits? Were you expecting too much from a Halmark presentation? No. You just didn't like it.

    I don't see anything written here to be hateful. I did however, miss what that poster that got MOD'd out said in the SEASON FINALE/SERIES FINALE thread. Are you responding to that?

    What specifically has you in a tizzi-lou this morning?

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    NitaDrink

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    I absolutely loved the finale, even the lip-syncing....I thought it was very powerful and, as someone else mentioned, tied all the characters together in their common pain. Once again TJ, great review!

    Now I guess all we have to look forward to are the other talented reviews that are written here, and wait impatiently until next season.

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    dezigner4web

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    Me, myself. I'm stoked that C & S are moving. I think that's a brilliant move!

    My main negative to the finale was the mouthing the words really felt cheesy. It took away any powerful and impacting feelings these characters were experiencing. It was the climactic finish and I just didn't care for it ... Sean you could hardly see he was lip syncing, where Kimber was really throwing herself into it. There was a range of how well each actor/tress was delivering it.

    I think watching them lip sync, the act in itself, was distracting from their feelings for me.

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    tjaman

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    dezigner4web wrote:

    tjaman wrote:
    ... but where does the hate come from? .


    Well ... why did you hate the beginning of the Halmark presentation with the bouncing credits? Were you expecting too much from a Halmark presentation? No. You just didn't like it.

    I don't see anything written here to be hateful. I did however, miss what that poster that got MOD'd out said in the SEASON FINALE/SERIES FINALE thread. Are you responding to that?

    What specifically has you in a tizzi-lou this morning?



    Like I said, flashbacks to the Carver reveal, and then there was a post early in this thread that said the song made the show a parody of itself, and I ... really had a different reaction to that.

    I'm fine. I just hope it doesn't devolve into another Murph-bash. He tried something creative is all. It worked for some people and it clearly didn't for others and that's fine.

    I just know someone's gonna post something about "shark-jumping" before this whole thing is over.
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