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    BleedingBalls

    [81]Feb 8, 2008
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    You guys, I honestly don't see a difference between seasons 1-3 and seasons 4 and 5 ... Nip/Tuck has always been random and (trying to be) shocking. What's with the whining now?

    I feel like I'm the shows mommy and you guys are saying mean delusional things about my baby. You can't get over little changes, whereas I have unconditional love.

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    straightwisted

    [82]Feb 9, 2008
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    Grammaton-Cleric, I agree completely with your original post. Matter of fact, ditto to every one that I could read in the quotes, (since you deleted) because that was one helluva debate...at least on your part. Thank you for expressing what so many fans feel about this show now. I've lurked here for a while but it took that critique from you and the subsequent posts, to make me register. You eloquently posted what I have been thinking for a long time.

    As far as why anyone would continue to watch a show that has not kept up the standard as previous seasons, I would say it with one word. Hope. We are hoping for that one episode that brings back the magic of early Nip/Tuck. I also have a lot of time, interest and love invested in this show and will watch it to the end. Regardless. Even though the quality and consistency of what is written is lower now, the characters are still interesting to me and the acting sill top notch.

    Gramm, I understand why deleted your posts. You were debating - the rest (not all) were in pissing matches. You owned it. ---------------------------------------------------------

    JJ - "rest assured my generation and I will be taking your job from you in less than 10 years."

    Do you not know that there is a generation or so behind you too? I honestly got a kick out of that comment.

    Edited on 02/09/2008 1:30pm
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    Nate3008

    [83]Feb 9, 2008
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    GC's original post made me stop lurking, too. It's beyond clear that there are MAJOR differences between the first 3 seasons and the 4th and 5th. When it's hope and potential that keeps you watching, all the "no likey? no watchey" quips stop holding water.

    The show was always out there with its outrageous subplots and ideas, but was never as disorganized in structure as it is now. Characters are making disappearing acts mid-arc! Example: Julia has two subplots going and she's been abruptly excluded from the last two episodes with her issues temporarily disregarded. Having Matt spend have time offscreen is understandable, but he's not mid-love triangle nor half poisoned to death. Annie's expulsion and self-esteem arc vanished as abruptly as it came, and the villainy of Eden just randomly disappeared for a suddenly victimized and vulnerable character. The love triangle with Liz comes off as storyline desperation, and the 'figth-scene' with Sean and Christian over Julia was more cartoonish than it was tense or unnerving. And then there's Christian's male-prostituion subplot, I wonder where that went? Currently, it's a big mess.. need I go on?

    Among other things I'm not fond of this season is the 'show within a show' subplot, it's tacky even for Nip/Tuck. This and the forced zaniness (like Gina's funeral) are huge leaps from the dark humor of the first 3 seasons. it's hardly the same show anymore. I find it really ironic that the show started off as a satire to superficiality, it's beginning to look like a parody of itself, what with the in-jokes and self-references. Actually it already is a parody of itself now that they've turned the characters of Sean and Christian into tv-actors. It's especially irresponsible in my opinion, because the new set and location they were promoting as a whole rebirth to the franchise at the peak of its success, is a regression from the original content of the series.

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    straightwisted

    [84]Feb 9, 2008
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    The show used to be fluid and consistent. But this season the writing seems to have been rushed with careless disregard for the characters and the audience. (too many irons in the fire writers?) While last year, the show at times got 'hung up' on certain stories and couldn't let it go. For example, the excessive screen time of Michelle and the kidney thief storyline. Man...that was a hard purchase...buying those DVD's...but I couldn't break up the series. It also threw in old characters just for the hell of it. Merrill, Grubman, Gina. And speaking of Gina, what was the reason for bringing her back this season? I really liked the character originally, but she had her place and time. She was perfection in the first few seasons. She was the one character that wasn't dropped, that had an excuse for not being shown anymore, then they bring her back to kill her off.

    With so many promising avenues they could have taken, its sad really. I was very interested in the Matt and Kimber drug addiction storyline, but it was just a few episodes that should have lasted longer. The porn and Hearts & Scapels has had more air time. What a waste. And I'm still confused as to why Julia was brought back. Even though my favorite episode thus far this season consisted mainly of her (Joshua Lee) and thought she was wonderful in it, she is out of place.

    I don't know, maybe it will turn around.
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    cattlover

    [85]Feb 10, 2008
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    BleedingBalls wrote:

    You guys, I honestly don't see a difference between seasons 1-3 and seasons 4 and 5 ... Nip/Tuck has always been random and (trying to be) shocking. What's with the whining now?

    I feel like I'm the shows mommy and you guys are saying mean delusional things about my baby. You can't get over little changes, whereas I have unconditional love.

    I haven't said much of anything since I have so much more going on in my life that's really important and I don't need a forum fight. However, I had time to read and I was very hit by some of the comments in this post -- and I'm also getting disgusted with Nip/Tuck right now.

    I personally want to say that I was glad to see the season start, but the season has gone way downhill (as so many others have written). I don't even think season 4 is that bad compared to this one. Such insane things going on as far as Julie slowly being poisoned, who cares about Eden, now Sean's a murderer.. just awful stuff.

    Then I read the comment about "[having] unconditional love [for the show]. Well, I really enjoy shows and I can handle small changes and even others that tick me off, but to compare a show and the "love" you have for it to the love a human has for another person is just pushing things a bit too far. And if this person really has this "great" love, then if you saw your child running into a burning building, would you let them keep going? Well, then how can you watch a show hitting self-destruct and say, "it's a great show! Nothing is wrong"??

    Oh, and did they have to scare us to death with Scary van Ark last week?!

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    tjaman

    [86]Feb 10, 2008
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    What I'm hearing is people dislike the way the story is being told, what's happening to different characters and an inability on the part of a few viewers to suspend disbelief (which we've had to do with this show since the pilot episode).

    Show belongs to Murph & Co., not you. He'll take it wherever he gorram feels like it and you'll jounce along for the ride or you will get off with a hearty "Buh BYE" from the rest of us.

    Simple as that.
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    straightwisted

    [87]Feb 10, 2008
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    "an inability on the part of a few viewers to suspend disbelief (which we've had to do with this show since the pilot episode)."

    Nah, I disagree. No one I know had to suspend disbelief until late season 3. Which, I believe, most did gracefully. It was during season 4 when we realized that the writers took advantage of that and decided to push the envelope.
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    crimsonmiss

    [88]Feb 10, 2008
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    tjaman wrote:
    snip Show belongs to Murph & Co., not you. He'll take it wherever he gorram feels like it and you'll jounce along for the ride or you will get off with a hearty "Buh BYE" from the rest of us. Simple as that.
    Thank you. Succinct and to the point. It's RM's show and he should be able to decide what direction it goes in. I think it's hard for people to understand who haven't put a big chunk of their life into creating something. He and the writers have a right to feel deeply about it. I've enjoyed the show immensely. This year and last year. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's still a beautiful creation on the part of Ryan and crew.
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    tjaman

    [89]Feb 10, 2008
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    straightwisted wrote:
    "an inability on the part of a few viewers to suspend disbelief (which we've had to do with this show since the pilot episode)."

    Nah, I disagree. No one I know had to suspend disbelief until late season 3. Which, I believe, most did gracefully. It was during season 4 when we realized that the writers took advantage of that and decided to push the envelope.


    Um ... a couple of plastic surgeons tying a dozen hams to a DB and sinking it in a swamp you were completely OK with?

    Along the same lines, you know that "Pulp Fiction" didn't really happen, right? Just checking.
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    straightwisted

    [90]Feb 10, 2008
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    "Um ... a couple of plastic surgeons tying a dozen hams to a DB and sinking it in a swamp you were completely OK with?"

    Yeah, lol, seemed like a good idea at the time.
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    straightwisted

    [91]Feb 10, 2008
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    Actually, it was genius...if they had been more careful to those watching eyes.

    The pilot was an awesome episode. Pure art.
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    queerlybeloved

    [92]Feb 11, 2008
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    OK, ladies and gents, time to rein it in a little.

    I have no problems with sensible, well-argued debate about the show and its (perceived) failings. Heaven knows that there have been some things done on the show that have left me decidedly cold- Frankenlaura, for instance. However, there's no need to get personal. If you disagree with another poster's point-of-view, there's no need to resort to trolling or flaming.

    Let's keep things on-topic and about the show.

    Thank you.

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    RebeccaDeWinter

    [93]Feb 12, 2008
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    I really think it has to do with the popularity of reality TV. TV in general has declined. There is no going back.
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    Nate3008

    [94]Feb 12, 2008
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    tjaman wrote:
    What I'm hearing is people dislike the way the story is being told, what's happening to different characters and an inability on the part of a few viewers to suspend disbelief (which we've had to do with this show since the pilot episode). Show belongs to Murph & Co., not you. He'll take it wherever he gorram feels like it and you'll jounce along for the ride or you will get off with a hearty "Buh BYE" from the rest of us. Simple as that.

    So fans should not care about what happens to the characters on the show or how the story is told?

    The suspension of disbelief is dependent on the storytelling, which is dependent on character development. They're not making it easy.

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    tjaman

    [95]Feb 12, 2008
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    Care all you want, but write Murph if you think you have better ideas than he does what to do with his characters and how to tell his story.

    Complaining about it in random chat forums isn't going to accomplish anything at all.

    It's. Murph's. Show.
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    Nate3008

    [96]Feb 12, 2008
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    No, it's a forum for all discussion Nip/Tuck, including criticisms. That's the nature of discussion, and 'Murph's show' has an audience that this place is designed for. Critics need not write the producers directly, when internet chats, online forums and office water coolers allow & invite us to express our opinions.

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    tjaman

    [97]Feb 12, 2008
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    Wow. I've never thought of it that way. You've really opened my eyes. The show isn't doing exactly what I want it to so I ought to just whine and complain and kvetch and moan about it.

    Brilliant! I'll get right on that, because it seems like a really productive thing to do. Now, where will I do this? Oh, fantastic! I'll dive into a place where people who enjoy the show have congregated to talk about it!

    First let me festoon myself appropriately in the tattered rags of a street prophet and hoist a big scrawled sign that reads: "This show is terrible! It needs to end! You're all foolish to be enjoying it! It stinks! It's not as good as it once was! In my opinion!"

    Hey! Hey! Everyone! Listen to me!

    Why isn't everyone falling in line and endorsing my completely sensible point of view? Why are they disagreeing with me? And with vehemence?

    Hmmm ... I may need to think this through a little bit more.
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    Nate3008

    [98]Feb 12, 2008
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    Sarcastic exaggerations aside, I can see where you're coming from, but blindly or unconditionally loving the show to the point where you'd outright deny its minor and most obvious shortcomings, is just as fanatical and equally unproductive.

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    AtlantaGuy

    [99]Feb 12, 2008
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    tjaman wrote:
    Care all you want, but write Murph if you think you have better ideas than he does what to do with his characters and how to tell his story. Complaining about it in random chat forums isn't going to accomplish anything at all. It's. Murph's. Show.

    Wow. You are kidding, right? Guess no one has a right to post a criticism of any show whatsoever here on tv.com of all places... after all, it's all about the producers, not the viewers.

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    tjaman

    [100]Feb 12, 2008
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    Nate3008 wrote:

    Sarcastic exaggerations aside, I can see where you're coming from, but blindly or unconditionally loving the show to the point where you'd outright deny its minor and most obvious shortcomings, is just as fanatical and equally unproductive.



    Right. I'm blindly and unconditionally loving a show that just put half-siblings into bed together.

    Oh, that old chestnut.

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    Edited on 02/12/2008 8:29pm
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