North and South

Season 1 Episode 1

Book 1 - Episode 1

Aired Unknown Nov 03, 1985 on ABC
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Episode Summary

Time period: Summer 1842-Summer 1844 The first episode of the mini-series where most of the main characters are introduced. It begins with the trip of Southerner Orry Main to West Point Military academy and his meeting with Northerner George Hazard, also on his way to West Point.moreless

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    Genie Francis

    Genie Francis

    Brett Main Hazard

    James Read

    James Read

    George Hazard

    Lesley-Anne Down

    Lesley-Anne Down

    Madeline Fabray LaMotte

    Patrick Swayze

    Patrick Swayze

    Orry Main

    Wendy Kilbourne

    Wendy Kilbourne

    Constance Flynn Hazard

    Kirstie Alley

    Kirstie Alley

    Virgilia Hazard

    Trivia, Notes, Quotes and Allusions


    • TRIVIA (5)

      • Goof: When Bent is making Orry and George stand up with the buckets of water in their hand, it is very obvious that the buckets remain empty for the most part of the scene until they are too tired and begin to spill some water.

      • It is very obvious that the slave labourers that are working in the fields at the very beginning as little Ashton and little Brett pass by aren't doing any job whatsoever.

      • Patrick Swayze's dancing skills are evident during the sword fight with Bent.

      • It's not really likely that Orry would defeat Bent in the sword fight. Orry was described as not being a talented swordsman and fencing requires a solid understanding of strategy. Orry was just a cadet and not a good one when it came to military studies, whereas Bent was a cadet drill master and an experienced swordsman.

      • Goof: Right before leaving for West Point, Orry puts the flower that Bretts offers him in his lapel. However, the flower disappears at times as he is riding until the scene where he meets Madeline for the first time.

    • QUOTES (22)

      • Orry: Until you've been in love, you don't know what it's like. Nothing else seems to matter.
        George: Then you sir, are a romantic fool.

      • Salem Jones: Who the hell are you?
        Orry: I'm Orry Main, Mr. Jones.
        Salem Jones: Oh, Mr. Main, I was coming up to meet you sir, just as I finish this.
        Orry: This is why I'm here. What's Priam done, why you beating him?
        Salem Jones: No crime exactly, it's his attitude sir. Priam don't show the proper respect.
        Orry: A good overseer knows how to get a mans respect without beating him. And we don't whip slaves at Mont Royal. So you let Priam go.
        Salem Jones: Your father told me to handle these slaves any why I see fit.
        Orry: Well I don't see fit to let you whip him... especially cause it appears you enjoy it.

      • Virgilia: I will fight the ungodly evil that lives in the South.

      • Virgilia: (About abolitionism) It's not nonsense father, it's god's truth.

      • Elkanah Bent: My name is Bent, Cadet Bent. I sirs, am your drill master... what is your comment on that, Sir. Do you have one?
        Orry: No, I don't
        Elkanah Bent: You will reply no I don't, sir!
        Orry: No I don't ,sir!
        Elkanah Bent: Thank you sir, I know how difficult that must be sir, cause you gentlemen from South Carolina consider yourself superior to the gentlemen from Georgia, do you not sir?
        Orry: No, we don't sir!
        Elkanah Bent: Good sir, I'm pleased you agree with me, surprised but pleased none the less. And you sir, how do you feel about the South as compared to your section of the country sir? The East I believe, which do you think is superior, sir?
        George: Why the East, sir! Nothing but dirt farmers down south, present company excepted sir, as always.

      • (George and Orry arrive to West Point)
        George: Excuse me sir. My friends and I are plebes...
        Cadet: No sir, you are not.
        George: Sir?
        Cadet: You are things, sir. To become plebes you must first survive the entrance examination, until then you are lower than plebes, you are the lowest of the low, you are things sir. Remember that.

      • (At her wedding to Justin LaMotte)
        Madeline: Why did you stop answering my letters?
        Orry: What? I didn't, you stopped answering mine.
        Madeline: I didn't... Papa, it was Papa, he destroyed your letters.
        Orry: What?
        Madeline: He wanted me to marry Justin.

      • Ashton: Brett says that Priam doesn't deserve to be whipped, and I say he does.

      • (To George)
        Orry: Well, I don't have to like everything about what you do, anymore than you have to like anything we do.

      • Virgilia: Do you keep slaves?
        Orry: My family does, yes.
        Virgilia: Are you evil Mr. Main?

      • Madeline: (to Semiramis) Orry's letters were so wonderful, I think they're part of the reason I fell in love with him, but he doesn't write anymore.

      • (About Madeline).
        Justin: A mind hardly seems necessary, Nicholas, when one has a face of an angel.

      • Justin: If there is a war with Mexico, it's going to play havoc with my wine cellar.

      • Orry: I've never been great at book learning, I just wonder if I'll make it through it.
        George: Oh, you'll make it through, I'll bet money on it.
        Orry: You will?
        (George rips the note in two parts).
        Orry: What are you doing? That's a ten dollar note!
        George: That's right, now when you graduate from West Point, you give that half back to me and another ten dollars.
        Orry: What if I don't graduate?
        George: Then I'll give you my half, but that's not going to happen... this is one bet I'm going to win.

      • George: You're probably the first real Southern I've ever met.
        Orry: You're my first damn Yankee.

      • (Orry and George meet).
        Orry: Thanks, Orry Main.
        George: George Hazard, glad to know you.
        Orry: Not as glad as I am to know you.
        George:Pennsylvania, Leheigh Station.
        Orry: South Carolina, I'm on my way to West Point.
        George: So am I.

      • (Drops her handkerchief on purpose).
        Madeline: Oh, I dropped something, that was very clumsy of me.
        Orry: Yes it was.

      • (About Orry).
        Madeline: I feel I can trust him, I don't know why.

      • Orry: It's customary in this part of the country for a lady to give a gentleman a token if she wishes to thank him properly.
        Madeline: I see you collect them.
        Orry: Ma'am?
        Madeline: Tokens.
        Orry: Oh, this is from a lady who stole my heart six years ago... when she was born. My little sister Brett.

      • Madeline: We can never repay you sir, and I don't even know your name.
        Orry: It's Orry, Orry Main. I'm from Mont Royal, up the river.
        Madeline: Well, my name is Madeline Fabray.
        Orry: I'm delighted to meet you.

      • Brett: No please, you can't take another bird's baby.
        Ashton: I'm sorry Brett, you found it, you put it back. (Pretends to give it back to her but finally keeps it) If I can't have it, no one can! (squashes egg).

      • Tillet: I want you to know I'm very proud of you. It's not a small thing for a man to have a son at West Point.
        Orry: Thank you, Sir. I'll do my best for you.
        Tillet: I know you will.

    • NOTES (42)

      • Patrick Swayze stated that the biggest role when it came to play Orry Main was making a self-pitying bitter man likeable.

      • The publicity picture of George and Orry in their uniforms that ended up being used as the main art work for the DVD collection, was taken during the filming of the Battle of Churubusco scenes, where the only flags available were the US one and the Texas one.

      • The scenes that were filmed downtown Charleston required very little set preparation except for the tons of sand that had to be brought in to cover the cement-paved streets.

      • Script vs Screen: David Wolper regretted having left out his original idea of having Orry bring a slave with him to West Point, as it was custom between Southerners at the time. Wolper thought that it would raise too many questions too early, although later realized that it would have been a great way to make George aware of Orry's character and his background.

      • Script vs Screen: George, Orry and Virgilia were depicted in a different way in the books. Orry was described as tall and thin, George as short and stocky and Virgilia as a stocky homely woman with some bad case of acne.

      • Patrick Swayze found cool James Read's "James Bond" like demeanor.

      • James Read had a Star Trek uniform placed in his co-star Jonathan Frakes' dressing room as a joke, since Frakes was starring in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

      • David Carradine (Justin) had a hard time brutalizing Lesley-Anne Down (Madeline) during their fight scenes. He had no clue on how to do it either.

      • Patrick Swayze claims that of all the roles that he has ever played, Orry Main is the one who is most like him.

      • Patrick Swayze liked to memorize his lines right before the cameras started to roll. The spontaneity of having them fresh in his memory was really appealing to him and became a habit.

      • Despite Lesley-Anne Down married Don Fauntleroy, one of the cameramen, she admitted to having crushes on many of her handsome male co-stars.

      • International Release Dates:
        USA: 3 November, 1985.
        Sweden: 14 June, 1987.
        France: 18 July, 1988.
        Poland: 11 February, 1990.
        Estonia: 22 March, 1997

      • The fact that Orry Main wasn't brilliant at the military studies doesn't mean to generalize and depict Northern cadets better swordsmen. Southerners who excelled academically at West Point include Robert E. Lee, Pierre Beauregard and Porter Alexander.

      • On the financial commitment to making the miniseries, John Jakes said that the money was spent lavishly to make it a spectacle worth watching. Totalling some 60 to 65 million dollars for both North and South and Love and War, about 2.5 million dollars were spent every hour. Considering it was back in the early 80's, it was a really huge budget.

      • Lesley-Anne Down was offered to choose between the different female roles and she chose Madeline because she represented all the female archetypes, and she believed that of all the women in the movie, Madeline would be the one who would remembered the most.

      • Erica Gimpel (Semiramis) left Fame because she wasn't allowed time off to shoot North & South.

      • Patrick Swayze didn't find it easy to fake a South Carolina accent. According to him, the r's were way stronger than in his natural Texan accent, that he had to keep fighting back.

      • The actresses had to wear their costumes up to 16 hours a day on a really hot set, and they were only allowed to take their dresses and corsets off for lunch. At the end of the day, the dresses were literally dripping with sweat.

      • According to Lesley-Anne Down, many of the actresses stopped having their periods because of the tightness of the fitting corsets that compressed their internal organs.

      • Executive Producer David L. Wolper proposed Bill Conti, the renowned conductor of the academy awards, to write the score of North and South in just three weeks. Wolper wanted it to be reminiscent of Gone With The Wind.

      • Patrick Swayze loved his character in North and South really much, to the point of keeping some of the outfits he used as Orry Main, like his General's outfit and the blue cape he wore when Orry and Madeleine first met at the All Sainsts Church for the first time.

      • Several of the costumes and accesories used in North and South were taken from storage at the Burbank Studios and Hollywood costume houses. Some can be seen at the Western Costume Company in Los Angeles, California. Some of them can be rented. One young extra found a name tape marked Mickey Rooney sewn into his coat.

      • As declared by Patrick Swayze, the battle scenes were made by people who make a lifetime hobby to reenact 19th century battles. Not being because of the superior number and profound knowledge of the battles of these Civil War reenactors, it would have been really hard for the producers to recreate them with authenticity.

      • Polaroids of the main actors were taken in every costume to document the slightest detail in case some scene should be needed to be remade.

      • Nominations:
        1986 Golden Globes: David Carradine for Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role in a Series, Mini-Series or Motion Picture Made for TV.
        1986 Golden Globes: Lesley-Anne Down for Best Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role in a Series, Mini-Series or Motion Picture Made for TV.
        1986 Emmy: Virginia Darcy for Outstanding Achievement in Hairstyling for a Miniseries or a Special.
        1986 Emmy: Bill Conti for Outstanding Achievement in Music Composition for a Miniseries or a Special (Dramatic Underscore).

      • John Jakes was really involved in the miniseries, as it is revealed in the 30-minute documentary The History of North and South that can be found as an extra in the DVD version. Jakes refused to make apology of the slavery, hence the Mains and especially Madeline are depicted as kind slave owners to make them more likeable to the audience. However, that wasn't the reality of the time.

      • In 2007, there were rumours about a new production to be made and called North and South: The Next Generation. It was supposed to concentrate on the most recent History including events like the Cold War, Civil Rights, the Kennedy Assassination, Motown music, Beatlemania, Psychedelic rock, the Vietnam War, Woodstock, Watergate etc. The main character were to be descendants of the Hazards and Mains. It was never made.

      • In 2007, there were rumours about a new production to be made and called North and South: The Next Generation. It was supposed to concentrate on the most recent History including events like the Cold War, Civil Rights, the Kennedy Assassination, Motown music, Beatlemania, Psychedelic rock, the Vietnam War, Woodstock, Watergate etc. The main character were to be descendants of the Hazards and Mains. It was never made.

      • John Jakes trilogy was transformed into a 540-page screen play containing 940 scenes. Four writers worked hard to make the screen adaptation.

      • John Jakes hadn't yet completed his trilogy when Douglas Heyes began to adapt it for the screen. Hence, Heyes had to work from Jakes' outline notes from the chapters as he went finishing them.

      • There was real-life romance coming out of the filming of the miniseries:
        -James Read (George Hazard) and Wendy Kilbourne (Constance Hazard), who played a married couple, got married in real life and they remain happily together.
        -Lesley-Anne Down (Madeleine Main) and one of the cameramen (Don E. FauntLeRoy) got married as well and remain together.
        -Parker Stevenson (Billy Hazard) and Kirstie Alley (Virgilia Hazard) were already married when they played brother and sister (they married in 1983 and they divorced in 1997).
        -Jonathan Frakes (Stanley Hazard) met and eventually married Genie Francis (Brett Main) on the set of the miniseries. They are also still married.
        -Terri Garber (Ashton Main) met and married one of the writers, Chris Hager (they got married in 1985 and divorced in 1989).

      • To prepare for his role in the miniseries, James Read spent several weeks at Patrick Swayze's horse ranch where Swayze taught him to ride a horse properly.

      • It took over two years to bring North and South to the screen, including five months of filming in five states, 100 production workers and 15,000 set decorations and hand props.

      • More than 140 cast members were involved in the shooting of the miniseires, not counting the extras.

      • The wardrobe consisted of 8,700 pieces, among which 3,300 were for women (lead actresses each wore 28-35 different costumes) and 400 accessories (hats, fans, shoes, jewellery...).

      • North & South was 1985's highest-rated miniseries, and also one of the highest rated ever.

      • The production costs of North & South totaled $25 million, which made the miniseries the most expensive up to the time it was aired.

      • Boone Hall Plantation was also the shooting location for the Jackson family house in Alex Haley's Queen.

      • Shooting locations:
        Mont Royal: Boone Hall Plantation in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina (exterior), and Stanton Hall in Natchez, Mississippi (interior).
        Resolute: Greenwood Plantation, St. Francisville, Louisiana.
        Belvedere: The Calhoun Mansion in Charleston, South Carolina.
        The Huntoon home: The Blue House in Charleston.
        The Fabray home: Battery Carriage House Inn in Charleston.

      • Terri Garber (Ashton Main) got married in the same wedding dress that she wore in North & South.

      • Script vs Screen: Orry saves Madeline from a snake in her carriage. They then ride together to Resolute. On the way, Madeline drops her handkerchief and says: Oops, I've dropped something. That was very clumsy of me.
        However, that somewhat comical line does not appear in the script, where it says: Oh, dear. I'm afraid I've dropped something.

      • Season 1 Episode 1 script was written by Douglas Heyes and revisions were made by Patricia Green. The first draft dates May 1, 1984. Revisions date September 6, 1984 and October 3, 1984.

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