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9x11 "Danny Boy" Episode Discussion

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    riku157

    [41]Mar 22, 2012
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    bronbrons27 wrote:
    Everything with Nathan/Dan of course was great. The whole time during their scene on the rivercourt I kept thinking, "when did this scene take place??" and then found out it was just a dream... I loved Dan speech about Keith though.


    I had taken the conversation between Nathan and Dan as a mix between reality and a dream. What Dan was seeing was the dream, but the conversation itself was real.
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    stellarchick86

    [42]Mar 22, 2012
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    ^It couldnt have been because Nathan mentioned Dan burning down his diner, which means this season. When Nathan left for good before he was kidnapped, he wanted Dan out of the house. In the dream, he said I love you to Dan and wanted to spend time with him. Ergo, the whole thing was a dream, not a real conversation.
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    Princess_Pinky

    [43]Mar 22, 2012
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    riku157 wrote:
    I had taken the conversation between Nathan and Dan as a mix between reality and a dream. What Dan was seeing was the dream, but the conversation itself was real.


    Ditto. The conversation they had was really taking place in the hospital room, but in Dan's mind, he wasimagining them at the Rivercourt.


    bronbrons27 wrote:
    How the hell did Jamie and Lydia get back so fast though? Seems like Haley just found out about Nathan returning a few hours before Deb shows up with the kids... and don't Lucas and Peyton live in Europe?! Just kinda weird that they got there so fast. And speaking of Lucas, okay so he doesn't want to come see Dan, that's understandable, but he couldn't at least come see Nathan?! It wasn't even mentioned that he came to see them off-screen....


    I don't think it was ever said where Lucas and Peyton are living now. I always assumed they were still traveling the world with Karen, Andy, and Lily on Andy's boat, but I don't think a permanent residence was ever confirmed. There is a time jump though: the episode starts at night and then before the kids get there, we see Brooke open the door to find her dad and it's sunny daylight. Since we don't really know how close they're living or how many hours there were between the time, I guess it's possible, though, as with many things on OTH, unlikely. (Plus, there's also the red-eye.)


    As for Lucas, I'm not surprised that he wouldn't want to see Dan, even when he's dying, so in my mind, Lucas probably flew in with the kids and then handed them off to Deb. It is really upsetting that he didn't go see Nate though. But, I also got the impression that Nate was staying in the hospital himself, likely for observation after the conditions he was kept in strapped to that chair for so long. So in my own head canon, I like to think that maybe Luke got a hotel room or stayed at Nathan and Haley's so he could see Nate when he got out, without having to go see Dan. (i.e. "I spoke to Luke...he's not coming." I'd prefer to think that she spoke with him in person, but it's too bad they couldn't have worked that into the dialogue on screen, just so that the fans can get confirmation that Lucas [and Peyton and Sawyer] is indeed there, even if we can't see them.)


    Seriously, this would have been a much better episode for Luke to come back in, but then they would've had to explain Peyton's absence, which is why I suspect that they didn't have him come back for this episode.

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    stellarchick86

    [44]Mar 22, 2012
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    ^Pinky, I always love that you can take a situation where I could go "yeah like that would ever happen" and you come up with a possible plausible scenario and then I can go "yeah, okay" *nodds head* "I can see that" haha!



    Anyway, had a few random things I wanted to add



    1. Did anyone watch 'Whitney' tonight? They had Alex propose to Whitney and they had the same song that played when Lucas goes "its you, Peyton" at the state championship game. It was so distracting because I could only think of them haha


    2. And I cant believe I am saying this, but I hope they dont dwell TOO much on Dan and the funeral in the next ep. I loved that they took a whole episode for Keith because he was a good man, affected a large part of the characters, and because he was taken suddenly. With Dan, you can argue that he's a good man but whatever, he really only affected Naley +1 and maybe Deb, and we knew ahead of time he was going. I'd rather take that time and have some character interaction than have more Dan stuff


    3. Since the Craig Sheffer spoiler was wrapped so well, does it make anyone else wonder possibly about Hilarie and Chad? I dont want to get my hopes up, but I never thought that CS would come back without it being leaked or without his name being in the guest title credits (like Matt Barr, Bryan Greenberg, etc) so it could be possible. Just wondering what everyone else thought

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    JaiCSC

    [45]Mar 22, 2012
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    I knew it. I knew they'd do that with the ending. There's no way you can do a scene with Dan passing on without Keith. And bravo for them for doing it.



    Lucas not being here. That one I don't mind. He hates Dan. He has reason to hate Dan and it makes sense that he's not gonna come. They mentioned him. I filled in the gap myself that's how it should be done.



    Overall this was a great episode. First properly good OTH episode in a really really long time.

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    Princess_Pinky

    [46]Mar 22, 2012
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    stellarchick86 wrote:
    3. Since the Craig Sheffer spoiler was wrapped so well, does it make anyone else wonder possibly about Hilarie and Chad? I dont want to get my hopes up, but I never thought that CS would come back without it being leaked or without his name being in the guest title credits (like Matt Barr, Bryan Greenberg, etc) so it could be possible. Just wondering what everyone else thought


    Don't get my hopes up!


    Actually, I've been secretly holding onto this hair thin thread of hope that maybe Chad and Hilarie would make a surprise cameo in the finale - or even just Chad by himself somehow (even a voiceover!), such as if a scene with him was shot while he was filming the episode he was actually in - but I'm not holding mybreath for it. I really don't want to get my hopes too high, or even elevated at all, because I seriously doubt it will happen. However, I also never expected to see Craig, so I guess it might be possible.


    But I shall remain pessimistic, that way if it does happen, YAY! If it doesn't, no harm no foul.

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    stellarchick86

    [47]Mar 22, 2012
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    Hehe, completely agree. And yeah, I meant in the finale, I never expected them back in the next episode. Wellllll here's hoping. I know Im not an LP fan but I still would LOVE to see them back, esp. Peyton since we havent seen her yet since s6 and Id also love to see how Sawyer looks now. I imagine her to look a lot like Jenny.

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    stellarchick86

    [48]Mar 22, 2012
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    Also, Pinky, what did ya think of the ep that Lucas was in? I dont think we got to hear your thoughts. Was it a dissapointment? Nothing more than what you expected? Etc.
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    Justlikeheaven_

    [49]Mar 22, 2012
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    OK, So this was a great episode!!!!! Even though the Naley reunion was amazing, and as small as the initial reunion was, it still made me tear up!!!Love how Haley just didnt want to let go of nathan while they were hugging. It was sweet. And the scene when Lydia walking made me tear up too. I could seriously go on forever about the Naley scenes so i am going to stop. lol.. I really liked Haley and Dan's closure. It was nice. It brought me bach to season 1 and nathan and haley started dating and Dan was telling Deb that Nathan could do better. And it especially was nice because he has given Haley so much crap over the years. I mean, we can safely rule out that Dan didnt like her in high school. The send off for Dan i really liked. It actually had me feeling not so upset as i was expecting. SURE, I am sad that he died, but i didn't ball my eyes out crying because of the way the whole episode was with everyone's closure with Dan. It kinda gave me closure for his character too

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    stellarchick86

    [50]Mar 22, 2012
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    Justlikeheaven_ wrote:
    I really liked Haley and Dan's closure. It was nice. It brought me bach to season 1 and nathan and haley started dating and Dan was telling Deb that Nathan could do better. And it especially was nice because he has given Haley so much crap over the years. I mean, we can safely rule out that Dan didnt like her in high school.

    "Hi Peyton..I mean Haley!", "At least Peyton was pleasant in the morning". Lol I think we can safely rule that out! lol it was funny though. I also liked their closure, too. Joy and Dan are amazing together. I guess its because they are good friends IRL.
    Justlikeheaven_ wrote:
    SURE, I am sad that he died, but i didn't ball my eyes out crying because of the way the whole episode was with everyone's closure with Dan. It kinda gave me closure for his character too

    See now I thought I wouldnt cry and I ended up bawling LOL Though I think most of it was because it was just one of those days and I needed a release and because just before that I was watching an episode where a chracter on Desperate Housewives had a funeral so I was just bummed in general LOL
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    Justlikeheaven_

    [51]Mar 22, 2012
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    stellarchick86 wrote:
    Justlikeheaven_ wrote:
    I really liked Haley and Dan's closure. It was nice. It brought me bach to season 1 and nathan and haley started dating and Dan was telling Deb that Nathan could do better. And it especially was nice because he has given Haley so much crap over the years. I mean, we can safely rule out that Dan didnt like her in high school.
    "Hi Peyton..I mean Haley!", "At least Peyton was pleasant in the morning". Lol I think we can safely rule that out! lol it was funny though. I also liked their closure, too. Joy and Dan are amazing together. I guess its because they are good friends IRL.
    You know what i kept replaying though, the moment Dan called Haley Hades to Nathan. "I heard you moved back in with Hades,,,,I mean Haley!" lol!!! It's nice to see their relationship completely different as we said goodbye. ]
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    Justlikeheaven_ wrote:
    SURE, I am sad that he died, but i didn't ball my eyes out crying because of the way the whole episode was with everyone's closure with Dan. It kinda gave me closure for his character too
    See now I thought I wouldnt cry and I ended up bawling LOL Though I think most of it was because it was just one of those days and I needed a release and because just before that I was watching an episode where a chracter on Desperate Housewives had a funeral so I was just bummed in general LOL


    I actually cried more at the Naley reunion scene. But i guess that is expected of me right??

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    stellarchick86

    [52]Mar 22, 2012
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    Lol agreed and yep, totally expected from you! haha
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    loey12886

    [53]Mar 22, 2012
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    I really liked this episode

    The Nathan and Haley scenes made me cry, their just so perfect together and they have better chemistry then they do with anyone else. I'm glad they were reunited.

    I loved seeing Keith again and it gave Dan the chance to finally release the weight on his shoulders for killing him. I know he's been feeling guilty about it for awhile now and for him to see Keith and talk things out with him looked to actually be good for him, since he's gone now.

    A part of me would have liked to see Lucas in this episode, but it made sense that he wasn't there since he hates Dan and has a reason too. But I would have liked to see Dan apologize to Lucas for taking Keith from him and Karen.

    I loved the Clay and Logan scenes. The hug between them was so sweet and I can see Clay, Quinn and Logan actually becoming a family

    All in all this was a good episode
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    that70sshow2000

    [54]Mar 22, 2012
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    stellarchick86 wrote:
    ^It couldnt have been because Nathan mentioned Dan burning down his diner, which means this season. When Nathan left for good before he was kidnapped, he wanted Dan out of the house. In the dream, he said I love you to Dan and wanted to spend time with him. Ergo, the whole thing was a dream, not a real conversation.


    Wait huh? Someone could've mentioned be diner thing to him like Haley. Or Julian. Chris.

    And there's a difference between telling Dan to leave for good in that moment and saying I want to spend more time with you/I love you as Dan lays on his death bed after saving hatband life LOL. That's something Nathan was feeling guilty about, "hating him all that time." so why couldn't nathan have said that for real just bc be has told him in the past to stay away for good?
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    ILUVSCOFIELD

    [55]Mar 22, 2012
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    This episode was amazing from beginning to end. There were some things that could've been cut out, but I'll focus on Dan right now. I am so sad that he died. It's amazing how much you can feel for characters from a fictional tv show. My eyes actually got a little teary, especially close to the end on the rivercourt where Nathan told Dan he loved him, and Dan said it back. When Dan started crying, I was through (PJ is a really good actor, there are only a few people on OTH who can cry without it looking forced or funny, and he's one of them). Every scene with Dan and other characters, especially Deb was great. I was glad that Dan/Deb got closure, and he told her not to blame herself for Keith's death; I also liked the banter between them. Dan/Haley/Lydia/Jamie was also sad, but sweet at the same time. At least he was able to seehis grandkidsbefore he died. Keith showing up was a good surprise (and CS has totally aged). Anyway, "you're my plus one" was an amazing line. It was good to see Dan/Keith together, even though it meant they were both dead. My thoughts don't seem to be formulating the way I want them to. I thought there was more I wanted to say about Dan, but I guess not. To me, this was the saddest episode of the season.


    I honestly thought the stuff about Clay/Logan and Brooke/her dad could've been ommitted (especially Brooke/her dad). When I saw Sara's parents I was thinking where did they come from, and how come Logan hadn't been with them before, but as someone posted previously, the Dr. probably had Logan at the treatment center tohelp jog Clay's memory. As adorable as Logan is, I found myself no longer invested in this SL as much as I was before.


    Brooke/her dad were totally pointless. I'll admit, I was even suckered into thinking he might want a real relationship with her, but he doesn't. Most viewers already knew he was abad father, and he wasn't going to change; all of those scenes betweenseemed repetitive from he episode where Brooke thought he wanted to go golfing with her just because instead of discussing business.


    I'm also not that crazy about Julian turning Ravens into a tv show. I totally understand that originally OTH was going to be a movie, but Mark decided to turn it into a series, so that's probably why this is being done, but it's basically a rip off of the Dawson's Creek series finale. Even though Dawson didn't write a book, his tv show The Creek was about his experiences as teenager with his friends, just like Ravens was about Lucas' earlier life and experiences with his friends and coming to terms with his relationship with Nathan, Dan, etc. Obviously many of the experiences were different, but the premise is the same, and I honestly don't think it's original, but whatever. I'm still sad the show is ending

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    Justlikeheaven_

    [56]Mar 22, 2012
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    ILUVSCOFIELD wrote:
    I'm also not that crazy about Julian turning Ravens into a tv show. I totally understand that originally OTH was going to be a movie, but Mark decided to turn it into a series, so that's probably why this is being done, but it's basically a rip off of the Dawson's Creek series finale. Even though Dawson didn't write a book, his tv show The Creek was about his experiences as teenager with his friends, just like Ravens was about Lucas' earlier life and experiences with his friends and coming to terms with his relationship with Nathan, Dan, etc. Obviously many of the experiences were different, but the premise is the same, and I honestly don't think it's original, but whatever. I'm still sad the show is ending


    I agree with you on this. I kinda feel like they are copying it, sorta. But in a way, i am going to try to not make it ruin what we have left in the 2 episodes we have. I just have to enjoy it. I am going to just not think about it. lol. I need to feel good about the ending. ESPECIALLY since i have been literally obsessed with this show for so many years.

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    Justlikeheaven_

    [57]Mar 22, 2012
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    So, i was just thinking..... I guess we are supposed to assume that the person on the other line was Julian when Haley got that phone call at the end of 9x10. Because we didnt see anything in last night's.
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    LeytonTLA

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    ok so ..... WOW just WOW, ive read all the posts and i basically agree with everyone, how amazing was this episode!!!
    Just a few comments on posts first - the logan thing about him being in the hospital was explained the doctor told clay that he had been coming there all his life every now and then when clay didnt know who he was
    i cant do that thing where youquote loads of different posts, i somehow can only quote one post ... I choose to believe that someone told nathan that dan had burnt down his diner to get close to them and the conversation was real, like soemone said and i agree dan was having the conversation at the river court in his drowsy state but he was also having it with nathan in the hospital room, so i choose to believe nathan does forgive dan but like he said he will always hate him for it, at the end of the day with nathan and lucas, dan was nathans dad and keith was lucas' nathan always held a soft spot for dan even when he said he hated him by giving him the ball and the picture of lydia, the whole episode was absolutely amazing, im happy with every scene, i loved that dan got his closure, im sad he died but also really happy with the way it was done, i was so happy to see craig back!! The last scene between them was amazing, someone wrote PJ is one of the greats at crying and i completely agree it seems so real and i just cried for the whole entire episode, the naley stuff was great im so glad we got a good kiss (i hated it when they got to season 5 and they just barely kissed anymore no idea why and i know they said in an interview they didnt wanna do it as much but still i love seeing a great naley kiss) loved nathan saying always and forever, even though this wasnt the tearful heartwrenching reunion i hoped for i thought it was amazing, not over the top not anything just naley. Hmm the lucas stuff ... at first i was annoyed because they didnt explain how deb had the kids, but then i was happy that haley told dan that lucas wasnt coming, i can accept that, i was very very happy he was in a flash back though, i was amazed with all the flash backs i LOVE flashbacks i think its great.
    I love how julian is gonna make ravens into a tv show! I dont think its 'copying' dawsons creek at all as this is what happened in marks life, he wanted to make a movie and ended up making a tv show - exactly what julian is doing and he probably knew he would do that with julian for a long time coming. Anyway absolutely great, i love the shooting episode its my favourite and this episode i love so much because we get some great insight into dans mind and about dan being in the hallway, wayyyy better than 'im the villan' , this episode is definitely in my top 10 ever episodes!

    Favourite quote - 'It should of been me that was kidnapped' 'No it shouldnt, dan wouldnt of saved you, he cant stand you' LOVE IT and 'i shouldnt of been jealous of you, i should of been proud...i am proud, i love you keith' :"(
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    Justlikeheaven_

    [59]Mar 22, 2012
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    LeytonTLA wrote:
    the naley stuff was great im so glad we got a good kiss (i hated it when they got to season 5 and they just barely kissed anymore no idea why and i know they said in an interview they didnt wanna do it as much but still i love seeing a great naley kiss) loved nathan saying always and forever, even though this wasnt the tearful heartwrenching reunion i hoped for i thought it was amazing, not over the top not anything just naley.
    I agree with you on this. I was constantly reading spoilers for this episode because i was being very impatient and it seemed from the spoilers that the initial reunion wasn't going to be that great, but i am very pleased with how it turned out. It was funny when Nathan said "Hi Hales". The first "Hi hales" was basically saying "i am sad, dan was shot and is badly injured" and then the second "hi hales" was the relieved one that they were reunited. You saw it in his face with the second one. I agree about the kiss. It was a good one and having them hold each other as tight as they did while kissing made the reunion even better. lol!!

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    that70sshow2000

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    The tv show... Mark is doing with Julian had he wouldve done with Lucas had Chad stayed full time. I'm interested in what they'll show with that and how it'll tie into the ending/series finale.
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