Orange Is the New Black S01E08 / S01E09: "Moscow Mule" / "F*cksgiving"

Besides bouncing characters off each other and giving us quick glimpses of inmates' lives on the outside, I was starting to get the feeling that Orange Is the New Black had coasted into a routine over the course of its last four episodes. A great and entertaining routine that gave other series a reason to be jealous, but a routine nonetheless, as the series stopped pushing boundaries like it had in the first three episodes or so. Things were comfortable, almost pleasant. But Orange Is the New Black's comedy is best when it's more black than orange, when it finds hope in times of bleakness, and when the worlds of privileged blondes are blown up.

So it was pretty awesome to see "Moscow Mule" and "F*cksgiving," the series' best pair of episodes since the early going, really kick Season 1 in the pants with a dose of change, terror, and giving in. Old friends became new friends, new friends became new enemies, and old enemies became even worse enemies. This was most apparent with Alex and Piper, so let's begin there. 

The frigidness between them had started to melt once the back-and-forth and typical catty behavior of the blame game was through, and the boredom and confinement of prison had them talking about the past, their past. And then whoosh! A bunch of old memories came flooding back, carrying the driftwood of feelings long forgotten. It's completely unsurprising that the two were stripping each other naked by the end of "F*cksgiving" given their behavior in "Moscow Mule," but it was still deserving of an overexcited "ohhhhhhhhh girl!" As nice as Larry is, admit it, you wanted Piper and Alex to get back to experimenting. I know I did. The more off-balance Piper is, the more I want to watch this show.

But that hookup couldn't have happened if it wasn't for Healy's exhaustion with Piper. Though he was once Piper's only ally on the inside, he's now become her greatest foil through a combination of her own proactive behavior and his deep-seeded issues. I don't know what it is that's ticking beneath that gentle exterior, but he has some weird father-daughter (or more disgusting) complex that's fixated on Piper. Unless he's really a huge jerk, I don't know why Piper's circumvention of his authority to open up the track would be enough for him to come down so hard on her. Piper claims it's some weird sexual fetish, but I'm fully expecting to see Healy's backstory unfold with family issues that include a daughter (or wife) who was a lot like Piper, hence his initial instinct to protect her leading into his current wave of picking on her and punishing her.

Piper's time in SHU (Solitary Housing Confinement) was the stuff of mental-asylum nightmares, and a total backfire on Healy's attempt to slap the lesbian out of her. Before Piper went in, she teared up over Sophia just touching her hair, because she missed the contact another human being provides. Throwing her in a concrete box only exasperated that longing, and it erupted in desire for Alex once she got out. At least that was my take on it. Well, on part of it.

I'm sure what was happening on the outside with Larry didn't help matters either. Larry's always played the sidekick role on The Piper Show. She was the one making artisanal soaps and brokering deals with fancy stores that prison guards like Healy had never heard of, while Larry struggled to get his words read. But now, with Piper not present in his life (the occasional phone calls and visits don't count) his career is taking off and his friends are sending out Evites to celebrate. And worse yet for Piper, his career jolt was sparked because he wrote a piece about her, or at least someone he thought was her. Piper is happy for Larry because she's supposed to be, but she's also a self-centered person who only recognizes the self she knows as the one true Piper; she's not a student of the school of three selves (the person you think you are, the person other people think you are, and the person you actually are). Maybe in her mind, the rift that's formed since she's been apart from Larry has already started to crack open. Relationship issues only deepen with distance, and maybe she thinks Larry used her plight to get into the New York Times and drink white wine with stuffy NPR hosts while she ate mystery loaf for Thanksgiving. 

Or maybe, there's a simpler answer, which is that Piper never stopped loving Alex. 

Whatever the case, it's all entirely believable behavior on everyone's part because sometimes a f*cked-up situation just leads to more f*cked-up situations. And the repercussions of this one will be big. Healy answered Larry's request to explain why Piper was detained and probably told him the truth: because Piper was grinding on Alex. Guess how Larry is going to take that news? By getting on top of the first slut who lets him. And even though Piper got shoved into the SHU for nothing, Healy's explanation is now something because Piper made it true, retroactively, by getting it on with Alex. 

Looking back, these two episodes were all about the pain and separation of prison, of how life on the inside can be so arresting that the desire to move it along results in rash decisions. Boredom and restraint are the worst things about prison. It's the long-distance college relationship all over again, and nine times out of 10, those end in disaster. This was just the next step in what's going to be a messy pothole for Piper and Larry.

Elsewhere, "Moscow Mule" was our first revisit of a flashback as we checked in with Red as she climbed the ladder of the Russian mafia. In "Tit Punch," we saw her try (and fail) to crack the Real Housewives of Little Russia, because her husband wanted an in with the mobsters. But here she was dropping knowledge about criminal enterprising and relegating her husband to the role of gofer. Great! Okay! But again, we're flashbackin' just for flashbackin's sake, like Nicky's mostly empty flashbacks in "WAC Pack."

In "F*cksgiving," we traveled all the way back to Alex's childhood as the poor kid who everyone made fun of, and traced it all the way up to her first involvement in the drug trade. Along the way, we met her deadbeat, hard-partying, aging rock-star dad and she met a huge disappointment. It fit her character well—poor girl with daddy issues grows up to be a lesbian entrepreneur—and it instantly gave us a story to be interested in because Alex, as Piper's antagonist AND lover, is the second "she said" in their "she said, she said" story. Knowing more about her should help us uncover some truths about their relationship, both romantic and professional.

I don't know why, but I always expect a lot out of the flashbacks. I figure if they're going to be included, they'd better be meaty. Alex's was. But Red's, this time, was as light as a Piroshki wrapper. Clearly there's a lot more story to tell and it will probably unfold over time, but the pace of them needs to pick up to feel substantial. We can't just make a little baby step once or twice a season. In contrast, the flashbacks we saw for Sophia, Claudette, Daya, and Watson all felt complete and self-contained. But that's probably because we won't be revisiting their lives on the outside as often as we do with the main characters. Of course, I'm just thinking out loud here; are the differing "depths" of the flashbacks bugging you at all?

Anyway, maybe that won't even matter. Orange Is the New Black has put itself in position for a thrilling four-episode run to finish the season, and what's important is what's happening now. How will Larry react? How long will this Piper-Alex rekindling last? When will Pennsatucky get what she deserves?



CONJUGAL NOTES


Orange Is the New Black survived for a while without a straight-up villain, but Pennsatucky has really established herself as the asshole of the prison. The series has gone out of its way to show the nice sides of everyone but not her. She's a methhead religious freak bully. Even if she does get a backstory, I don't see how it could excuse who she is today. Is everyone else excited to see Alex beat the snot out of her?

– More proof that Piper fails to see her imperfections: She actually WANTED to be pregnant going into prison.

– Taystee and Poussey's friendship is so much fun to watch. But how will Taystee's release from prison affect Poussey? We're about to learn the harsh reality of what happens when one person is left behind. Though given recent casting announcements, I'm not sure it will stay that way for long.


– Was there any better way to show the differences between life on the outside and life on the inside than by comparing two pregnancies? Polly popped out her kiddo, and it was joyous! Then the Latina inmate had hers, and she rolled back into prison looking glum as a plum. I assume the system took her baby. Super sad. 

– Mendez continues to be a joy to watch, even though he's pure evil now. His beef with Red after she flushed his drugs isn't going to go anywhere good, and even though he's the guard with the gun, I would never bet against Red. You know the saying: Never pee in a old Russian lady's gravy. 

– I also loved listening to Mendez and Caputo's 'stache chat. Mustaches are "Fucking cunt-ramming awesome!" according to Mendez. 

– Luschek, the prison employee who runs the electric shop, has also established himself as one of my favorite characters. "When I arrived, the blonde was screaming and the hot one was stuck inside." 

– It's ironic that Piper claimed she's "not a story at a cocktail party" when she found out that Larry wrote about her prison experience for the NYT; real-life Piper wrote a damn book about the same thing! 


– Haha Crazy Eyes and her white parents. Oh man, so good. More Crazy Eyes PLEASE.

– Who do you think was on the other side of the vent with Piper in the SHU? Someone we'll meet later? Someone imaginary? 

Orange Is the New Black still has some inconsistencies in its cafeteria scenes. There was a lot of buildup to establishing people sitting "with their own," but in one of the late scenes in "F*cksgiving," who was sitting at the same table? Nicky, Yoga Jones, Ingalls, Boo, Poussey, Sophia, Watson, and Alex. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Sorry to nitpick! I'm obviously obsessed with how cafeteria dynamics connected to race relations in prison. 


PREVIOUSLY:

– Orange Is the New Black Series Premiere Review: Fresh Meat (S0E01)

– Orange Is the New Black "Tit Punch"/"Lesbian Denied" Review: Love and Lunch (S01E02 / S01E03)

– Orange Is the New Black "Imaginary Enemies"/"The Chickening" Review: Hope and Toxicity (S01E04 / S01E05)

Orange Is the New Black "Wac Pac"/"Blood Donut" Review: Political Animals (S01E06 / S01E07)


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AIRED ON 6/17/2016

Season 4 : Episode 13

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You didn't even mention poor Taystee! I'm worried for her now that she's out. With nowhere to go & nobody to look out for her, how long will it take until she's in a situation that threatens to put her right back in there? Not long, I'm sure. That's so sad. I was proud of her getting released. I want to see her turn her life around. Just another example of how our entire penal system is not meant to actually rehabilitate offenders. Once you're stuck in the system, the odds are stacked against you that you'll ever escape it.
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You know what this show has made me realize?
Taylor Schilling should NEVER wear make-up in real life because she looks Soooo much better without any. She is incredibly beautiful, stunningly beautiful in fact and no make-up could improve on her natural beauty. Just take a look at the background image in the top right of this page, see's angelic.

I just done a quick Google image search of her and saw loads of images of her in make-up attending premiers and events and I think it's such a shame because she looks so much better with a natural face.

I'm starting to really dislike make-up. I wish it becomes fashionable to not wear any. Don't you agree?
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I never cared for Alex, so thumbs down to that hook up. I kinda get why Piper did it. She was angry at Healy, hearing voices in SHU and lonely, but it didn't make the story better.
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Handle Bars and Porn Stache con convos are always great. Crazy eyes is my favorite character.

Also, let's give Jason Biggs a lot of credit for what he's brought to the table. Each situation/conversation he has owned it.
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Tastee´s casting spoiled something for you Tim... That´s why you can´t make Netflix reviews so far apart from the premiere!!! There´s another casting announcement that became a HUGE spoiler.. But that was for all of us :(
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Her affair didn't excite me at all. Cheating is cheating.

I'm not sure what your hang-up with Piper's 'privilege' is. She clearly worked to get where she is. >_<

Also, I don't think you give Larry nearly enough credit.
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i really kinda hate the chick that plays Pennsatucky. she just annoys me as a person. hated her on hawaii 5-0 too

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I really enjoyed F*cksgiving, Healy just isn't making things easy for Piper is he?

I never really felt strongly about whether or not I wanted Piper and Alex to rekindle their relationship, but I just went along for the ride OITNB has taken us on with the relationship these two characters share, and I have to say, I enjoyed it quite a lot, especially the amount of history they've shared and the tension it provides for the show.

Am I the only one who doesn't like Red, and thinks that valuable flashback time is taken away to be spent on her? Why does she get two stories and no other charaters? I seriously would have preferred a second episode of flashbacks from any character in the show (Alex, Nicky, Miss Claudette, Sophia etc.). Crazy Eyes and Morello didn't even get one flashback episode, and here we have Red taking two! Both of which were the most boring of the entire season.
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season was great. finished it last week. too bad we'll probably have to wait forever for season 2.
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Deep seated, not deep seeded.
Also, exacerbated, not exasperated.
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I haven't seen these two episodes yet, but I like to sort of follow along with the reviews as they don't seem to ruin anything for me. People write long essays on what they think and I find it fascinating as to how much people care about the fictitious. I do too because like many people, friends and family can often let you down, and when the fictitious do it you can just walk away. We get involved in people's lives third person and it's almost like you know them. But then you never have to deal directly with them which is quite often better. There are a lot of very bright people on here who seem obsessed with TV which probably means there are a lot of people here without much of a life beyond TV, or maybe not. I suppose living vicariously has its ups and downs just like real life does and fills certain voids in life. But then when you're not there you don't even have to think about it. Sorry for the ramblin' but all this interest just gets one to thinking, I guess...
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I think the amount of in-depth posts on the OITNB threads are a testament to the show, there are few other shows that get such long comments on their reviews. OITNB obviously has had a profound effect on people, and they feel the need to discuss these characters and storylines with others.

I spend a lot of my spare time on this site, as I imagine you do to. Who knows if I do it because I'm unhappy with my life or feel the need to live vicariously through fictional characters, all I know is that I really love television and want to talk about it with others, and I can't really do this with the people in my life because they're not as obsessed as I am.

Anyway, I wouldn't call the amount of time anyone spends writing a post or being on this site and time wasted because we obviously all love television here and are sharing it with one another. Besides, everyone has an addiction of some sort whether it be television, video games, Facebook, apps, reading etc. and it terms of how destructive and unproductive most addictions people have can be, I personally consider television a good one. It's one of the best ways to watch a story unfold.
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Yeah, there are a lot of good shows on TV just now and it's nice to know we're not alone. Sometimes it's hard to believe everyone isn't as excited as we are about some of the brilliance that is TV these days. "Hey, have you seen Orange is the New Black?"

"No, I don't get that channel, is it good?"

"Yeah, it's on Netflix."

"Nah, too much mailing involved. I already pay two-hundred bucks a month for cable and there's nothing on. I like that Storage wars, you ever see that one? It's pretty good and it's about real people."

"No, maybe I'll just kill myself instead, Hey, you should join me."
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Deep-seated not deep seeded.
I really love that scene when Piper yells at Healy through the glass. It might be my favourite scene of the whole series, mostly because of the emotion Taylor Schilling conveys.

And yeah, Crazy Eyes is the best.
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The ending of episode nine is my favorite moment of the whole first season of OITNB. I love how Piper's walk suddenly changes. Talk about character growth!

And what happens after it is just amazing. Piper and Alex make a great couple. These girls have great chemistry!
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Haha, I liked that strut too. We can pretty much tell the thought-process in her head just from seeing her walk change from reserved and uncertain to confident and rebellious. Give her another 10 yards to walk, I think she'd have busted out a limp and did a pimp-walk.
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Argh. I had typed quite a bit before I realized I was spoiling shit. It's hard to talk about some of these episodes or reviews without giving away things that happen in future episodes.

Let's see... I will say that these two episodes were really good.

There are some shows where I dislike the villains whether they're too cartoonishly evil or are too annoying to watch, but I'm liking both Pennsatucky and Pornstache... the former being a pretty big feat. considering I generally dislike Taryn Manning.

The cliques in the cafeteria has been inconsistent, but I've found that the show as a whole doesn't put much emphasis on race-divisions. They show it once a while, like with the WAC voting and with bits of racist dialogue (like from Morello in an earlier episode), but overall, the whites and blacks seem to get along just fine. The Chickas seem to stick with their own most of the time, but generally, they all joke around with each other and interact without violence or hatred. So maybe it's actually consistent in that regard.

And I agree about the flashbacks. I can understand why they're taking it a bit slower with some of the more staple characters, as they may want to spread out their story until future seasons, but I figure if they're going to have one, make it count. I'd rather they not do a flashback at all if it's not going to contribute much to the character (like Red's). Though, to be fair, it did show us some background to her connection with Neptune's Produce.
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This show is surprisingly excellent -- didn't think I would get into it. Yeah, we'd all love to see Pennsatucky get hers, but it's going to have to come from someone else lest Polly risk more time in prison.
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Polly's husband is kind of a douche. Just saying.

I thought Mendez set himself up as the villain fairly early, but perhaps I simply misread his distasteful actions?

Pennsatucky. What to say about that girl. Nothing good. I'm not certain of her origins but I'd really prefer she not be a southerner. They have dumb rednecks up north as well. Also, I posed a question on this week's True Blood episode review asking Christians if they were effected at all by pejorative portrayals of Christianity on television, and I think it also applies to OITNB as Pennsatucky is giving Sarah Newlin a run for her money.

WTF Mr. Healy?!!! He started out as such a nice guy and then it was as if he couldn't hold the veneer any longer and all these cracks began to appear. Now he is freakin' twisted. There is much deep seated rage inside that man and before it is all said and done I think he might be the worst villian of the series.
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I also feel exactly the same way about Healy, I liked him at the start, and now I sort of hate myself for ever doing so.
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I did read your comment in the True Blood thread, and it did get me thinking, but now realising that Pennsatucky is also an example of this it's a little worrying that I haven't noticed it until now and blindly accepted the characters roles as overzealous Christians.

It just raises the point, where are the good depictions of Christianity in television in comparison to these negatives ones? The only other heavy use of religious themes in a television show I can like of was the last season of AHS, and again, that was in a negative light.
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Not being a Christian this is not something I typically look for in entertainment programming, but I thought that Rectify was actually respectful and objective in the portrayal of Christianity and Christians in S01.

Otherwise, the entertainment media seem to often use television as a vehicle to mock religion with uncomfortable frequency. Christianity seems to take the brunt of the abuse however, as Judaism and Islamic faiths, even Wicca and Paganism seem to fare somewhat better than Christianity, in my memory.
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For someone who is not Christian I commend you on noticing that there's a significant number of negative depictions of the faith on television, it shows what a astute individual you are.

I totally forgot about Rectify, I and think you're right about it been respectable and objective, but I'd have to watch it again. I think the horribleness that is the character of Ted Jr. on that show (seriously, he gives Pornstache a run for his money) sort of took away from how good his wife, Tawney is.
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We still have not been told why Piper left Alex. At least, I have no idea.

In these episodes I saw for the first time (first time!) some Larry concern about Piper. That was new. It was better and more credible. Still, I think her family and friends are total assholes. They can go and go about how it is her fault and her choices that brought her where she is, but stupid as they are, they could have been in her shoes all the same. And from where I'm sitting, they are as unstable and selfish as she is. One could think that this is a way of the show to push us towards a more sympathetic Alex and want the Piper-Alex story in prison to happen more acutely. But it's going to look weird if the family and friends become suddenly normal again (like, brother going to see her sister for thanksgiving or something... Can't somebody else cook?) They suck big time.

The prison stuff is becoming less and less boring, on the other hand. We are far from that chicken episode that I disliked so much LOL.

Don't understand that Healy character yet... with his Ukranian young wife and those lesbian obsessions... I had a friend whose girlfriend left him for another girl (like Ross from friends), and it seems that marks guys somehow. Maybe that is the story.
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They do show in one of the next episodes why Piper left won't say anything but it's interesting... Yah Piper's family are assholes so I guess that explains why she's so self centered but still doesn't make my view of her character get worse as the episodes go on. Again not spoiling anything but... I think everything that happens to Piper she brings on herself and you'll see more of what I'm talking about as the season progresses.
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I felt like Piper/Alex hooking up felt earned because of their history and also the head trip that was the SHU. I really liked how it took Piper from anger to feeling hopeless and all that really quickly.

I did like Red's flashbacks this episode because as you said of the earlier episodes, the flashbacks made you feel for the characters rather than thinking they actually belonged in prison (or rather that they deserved the treatment of prison). In Red's first episode, she threw a punch and was paying for it by being in debt to the mob. It seemed like she was a victim. This time it showed she was actually getting involved with the mob deals rather than just helping them because she had to. She's no Walter White but she started out vulnerable and in bad circumstances and who knows how much it escalated before she finally got arrested.
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So its okay to cheat on someone your dating with your ex just because your emotionally unstable and in prison together... I'm sorry I don't see it
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I'm not saying that it was the right thing to do. I'm just saying that being in the SHU broke her. I mean, people get left in there forever. Possibly until they lose their mind. Wasn't there a detail that the lights are left on at all times so the inmates didn't even know if it was day or night? I think there was a point that Piper thought she was stuck in there for good. Even though she was not in the SHU anymore, she was still in prison and made a permanent enemy out of Healy so she could go right on back at any time. I think it would make sense for her to get comfort wherever she could get it, even if it was with an ex.
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I guess I see what your saying but to me Piper was going to hook up with Alex again anyway the Shu just jump started it by a few days or weeks. She had all ready been heavily flirting and being overly friendly with her. I know in the point of the storyline she thinks Alex didn't rat her out but she still went a little to 180 once Larry lied and told her that Alex didn't rat on her. She went from hating her with a passion to being all lovey dovey and friendly it just rubbed me the wrong way with the character I guess and maybe were supposed to feel that way? I don't know
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I'm sorry but I was not rooting for Piper and Alex to hook up. No anti lesbian agenda (fully support the right) but Piper cheated on her fiance' with her ex simple as that. She did it out of childish rebellion. Yes she now thinks Alex didn't rat on her (which she actually did) and is feeling guilty for blaming Alex but that still doesn't give her the right to cheat. Maybe it's because I've seen every episode all ready... don't worry I won't spoil anything but the end f*cksgiving episode really made me turn my viewing of Piper to liking her even though she has flaws to thinking she is exactly what her perceived perception is a privileged thinks her shit don't stink and she can do nothing wrong person. Now she has a chance to redeem herself and I hope she does because it's hard to watch a show when the main character is so annoying but right now she is really getting on my nerves and when she does find out which we know she will about Alex really ratting on her it will be satisfying for me to know that she cheated on her fiancé with the person that got her in jail in the first place. Yeah Larry's not perfect either but Piper definitely treated him like crap and the guy still stayed loyal to her pretty shitting thing to do on Piper's part.
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Personally, I was rooting for the Piper and Alex hookup despite not thinking it the "right" thing for her to do. Yes, cheating ain't right, especially because she and we are to believe that Larry has continued to stay loyal to her (well, except for watching Mad Men without her and possibly selfishly writing his column without her approval).

But one of the better features about Orange is the New Black for me is that Piper isn't wholly or entirely likable. She's the protagonist and she's usually likable, but we sometimes see her struggling with certain conflicts and choosing/doing the "wrong" thing. Since you've seen every episode, you'll know that the show likes to focus on showing some good and bad with pretty much every character (including trying to show a bit of sympathy for some of the current "bad" characters) and Piper is right there in the middle. If it has to be labeled, I guess it'd be that she's having a conflict of identity.
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You still didn't explain why you were rooting for them to hook up. Is it for storyline purposes or because you actually feel its justified that she can cheat because Larry is a whipped boring brown noser and Alex is a cool devil may care rebel. If that's the case (which I get the sense is what Tim the writer is saying) then I don't agree with it but if you wanted to see it because you knew it would f*ck shit up plot wise I get where your coming from and can respect that as a TV watcher. I get that Piper isn't entirely likeable much like Walter White (Breaking Bad) Walter is incredibly evil now but I still have a soft spot for him in the back of my heart... this feels different though because it's more trivial rather than out of necessity. Like Piper still hasn't grown up from college and thinks that her actions don't come with consequences. I guess it annoyed me that she was all chipper and playful in prison which isn't a very happy place especially for someone like her. The complete 180 degree switches she makes are a little annoying and yes I have seen every episode and I stand by my stance so far that everything wrong she does she does it to herself and I think you know all the things I'm talking about.
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I thought I did explain, but I can be more specific:

I agree that Piper's decision to get back with Alex is technically wrong because she's cheating on Larry. If Larry was a complete asshole who was also cheating on her, then maybe we could look past it but for all we and she knows, he's staying loyal to her.

But I was still rooting for the hookup because of character development and storyline/plot. I just find it more fun for us to see her going through this crisis in identity. We see in a later episode that she had trouble with that in the outside life (when she first met Alex, for example), and being in prison is bringing that out of her again.

I guess you can say that she never grew up because this conflict in identity is the same kind of problem she had earlier in her life, but I don't think she's been particularly chipper or playful in prison. I think almost every other character has been chipper and playful, making Piper feel more relaxed at times. So I don't blame her for that... if I had to, I'd blame the show as a whole for making prison seem much more like high school and a lot less like what we'd consider a real prison to be like. There haven't really been any serious violence or fights or conflicts, with the only hatred among the characters (such as Alex vs Pennsatucky) manifesting itself so far in what are basically childish pranks. For me, Piper has mostly been solemn and sad and confused, and rightfully so because she's been shitted on the most from what we've seen, with being starved out by Red, being stalked by Crazy Eyes, being "made" WAC despite wanting to stay out of it, dealing with Healy who is both the most reasonable and the most troubled CO in the place, having her loved ones go through big events on the outside, and some other things that I'll leave out due to spoilers.

We do see her make more and more decisions that cost her, and yes, the consequences are ultimately her fault because they are HER decisions. But she's still being thrown quite a lot of shit at her, and so sometimes, she's gonna make the wrong choice and be in shit. And I think that's a good thing about the show, and I find that OITNB is purposely putting a focus on the fact that nobody is ever one thing... there are no good guys or bad guys. All of these characters do good things and bad things, things that make us feel sympathy towards them, things that make us feel unsympathetic towards them.
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This is really just a discussion of rather you want to see the character make stupid decisions to advance the plot or because you think there warranted. For instance when Piper flipped out at Healy when she was in the SHU it didn't to me at least feel like a Shawshank Redemption moment where the prisoner revolts against the evil warden but more like an irrational person not knowing when to shut up. It was a petty thing she did talking back to the guard after he told her to stop dancing not real and serious like refusing to help your warden out because he murdered the only man who could get you out of prison. She brought herself into SHU and because she wasn't smart enough to apologize to Healy even though she shouldn't have in an outside setting she ends up screwing herself over more with Healy and causes him to call Larry and tell him what's been going on. Her own irrational actions caused the whack job Healy to flip. When you're dealing with someone who is mentally deranged which I think Healy is and you're not really in a position of equality (IE Your in prison) then you should probably just shut up and pretend you're sorry. It's not like your making some big political statement by yelling at him for grinding on another woman. It was just Piper thinking she can get away with whatever she wants. I guess that's what bugs me about the show and it's probably a creative thing. But on the other hand I guess if she just apologized to him then we wouldn't get to see what we do with the rest of the season so yes it does accomplish plot advancement but I think could have been handled more smoothly and perhaps Piper will redeem herself in the smart department next season but from what I know about the end of this one I doubt that.
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Another great review of two amazing episodes of this awesome series! Keep it up Tim!
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Yeah I really enjoyed these two episodes as well. It seemed to me though (and I may be misremembering a bit as I binged this whole season the first 5 days they were released) that they toned down the humor a lot here. Nothing wrong with that, and I enjoyed a lot of the little moments of sincerity you see from some of the secondary characters ( I think my favorite of these has yet to happen so I'll hold off on discussing it). And we did still get some nice humorous moments, especially out of Mendez and Taystee. Love Taystee.
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its fun reading these after having seen the whole season
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Really? I've found it frustrating, especially with Tim often theorising about future events when I already know what will actually happen.
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"sometimes a f*cked-up situation just leads to more f*cked-up situations. " Geez, man! You've no idea!!! :-S

Anyway, once again since I binged on the eps it's all a big blur now.. I only remember I stopped for a couple of days after ep 7 so yes maybe we had some comfortable flat time there and then it picked up the pace again...

Are you really watching them 2 at a time Tim? Gosh, such restraint!
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I can't say anything without giving away spoilers but I look forward to your review of the season finale! How much longer (said in the same tone as kids say "are we there yet?")?
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