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Person of Interest S03E14: "Provenance"


Oh man, this episode! We've been tricked before into thinking that a new episode of Person of Interest that was isolated on a little scheduling island would be a standalone adventure, so as not to disrupt any season-long flow the show had going, only to have it be a big, mythology-raising installment ("Lethe"). But "Provenance"—which is sandwiched between two, two-week-long breaks, as the show won't be back until February 18—was as self-contained as an episode of POI can be. Was it entertaining? Sort of. Was it necessary in the annals of Person of Interest? No, absolutely not, unless you are obsessed with Shaw's wardrobe. 

In fact, no previous knowledge of Person of Interest was necessary to follow "Provenance," because the hour was basically cartoon-like, in that each character behaved like their one-sentence description would dictate. "Me John Reese! Me tough mumble guy!" "Me Shaw! Me grumpy and love guns but can be pretty too!" "Me Finch! Me tappa-tappa on the computer box!" I often think of Person of Interest as a product, and how it could be licensed out to comic books, graphic novels, or even an animated series as a lesser version of itself. "Provenance" was a script for one of those adventures, a comic issue come to life or 30 minutes of Saturday-morning TV. It was entirely derivative, Xeroxing elements from and paying homage to every heist movie you can think of. 

But "Provenance" was just as much Person of Interest as "The Crossing" was, because the show proudly trumpeted, "I yam what I yam!" And as long as the show is having fun and self aware, I'll enjoy it. 


This week's number belonged to Kelly Lin, an accomplished event planner who would be quickly outed as a former silver-medal-winning gymnast who was now employed as a tumbling thief. Ha! Of course she was. But somewhere around the episode's second or third act, we learned she was a cat burglar with a heart of gold: She was extorted into elaborate heists of precious valuables because some evil man held her adorable daughter hostage and threatened to harm her if Kelly (fake name) didn't do as he said. Obviously, that meant Reese, Finch, and Shaw decided to help her pull off an incredibly complicated burglary of the Gutenberg Bible in order to keep her kiddo safe, because that's what they do. 

The mission itself was nothing new and everything old. There were laser sensors and motion detectors and electrified fences and rooms that required fingerprint access etc., etc., etc., and that's where the episode disappointed. I was all for a Person of Interest heist episode because why not? But some originality would've be nice. Coincidentally after watching "Provenance," I watched a rerun of Community and it was "The First Chang Dynasty," the comedy's own heist episode. And you know what? It did the heist story better than POI did. 

However, I'm still heavily invested in POI's goofy characters and I love the show's cheeseball humor, and watching these guys choreograph themselves into a well-lubed heisting machine had its moments. "I'm a sucker for watered-down booze and mini quiche," Shaw deadpanned. And was Reese wearing a fake mustache as a disguise, or as part of an audition for The Americans? There was some really entertaining tongue-in-cheek stuff here, and you have to respect POI for shamelessly going all-in on the caper drama. The show even went so far as to soundtrack the whole thing with late-'90s big beat electronica from The Propellerheads and The Lo-Fidelity All-Stars (which provided plenty of nostalgia for my old breakdancing days). 

In the end, they got the Bible! Yay! And Ms. Lin got her daughter back and everyone was happy. And it wasn't until the very end of the episode that "Provenance" tapped into the emotional core of POI when the crew was sitting around enjoying post-heist cocktails and Reese demanded that a fifth glass be poured for their absent member, the late Joss Carter. That made me sad. It was a sobering reminder that despite the non-lethal high jinks and wisecracks of "Provenance," their work is dangerous and, sometimes, deadly. And also that Reese is a big softie. 



NOTES OF INTEREST

– Poor Fusco. He was relegated to errand boy this week, showing up with security plans for the targeted building because of his connections, taking Reese out of cops' hands with an "I'll take it from here," and pulling over security guards to get their fingerprints. It became funny toward the end, because whenever someone was in trouble, Fusco would pop in and solve the problem with "I'm a cop." 

– I have it on good authority from sources who are close to the matter that the French Interpol guy's accent was terrible. (Thanks Aghie!)

– Question: Did the lady who was checking guests off the list imply that Reese and Finch were gay, or was she noting how handsome Reese was because she wanted a piece of that? Second question: Is there Reese and Finch slashfic? 

– Was anyone else confused by Lin casually strolling out of the freshly burgled museum in her thieving outfit? Not exactly low-key. 

– Not much else to talk about, so which Shaw outfit did you like best? 


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That had to have the absolute worst fake mustache I have ever seen. Absolutely hilarious!
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I stopped watching POI when Shaw became a regular. She just annoyed me too much, and took too much away from better characters. Just checking in to see if there was any reason to come back…NOPE. Guess not. You all can go ahead and drool over her udders all you want.
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Outfit number 3.

I enjoyed this caper episode, even the stand alone episodes of POI are entertaining:-)
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From a Podcast of TV Talk (yes I do listen to this sometimes) I learned that the word PROVENANCE means the origin or source of something. From the same podcast I learned the theory that this episode may be the beginning of something new. It does make sense, the heist, the new suit, a softer Shaw, fewer bullets to the knees, and the whole group sitting together at the end (without Root), the glass for Carter. Yes, it is possible that Person of Interest has turn a corner and it will go into a new path. It sounds good to me.
And it may make this episode, which many did not like, important for what is coming next.
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First off, I'm really annoyed with this one week on, two weeks off crap. I can understand it over the holidays, but are the Olympics really the excuse now? What POI fan would mind missing an hour of snowboarding to watch a new episode? I for one don't even watch the Olympics.
This episode was just another silly/fun episode like 4C, and I agree with others who have said we're just spoiled by how outstanding the story arcs have been, and agree that taking a break from the really intense stuff once and a while is a necessary evil. I am dying for them to get back into to it though, I really want to see what Root and the machine have been up to.
I notice a lot of people brought up the Reese/Finch gay thing, which I think was obviously just a case of Finch having fun playing off of the woman's assumptions, but am I the only one who noticed the eyes and facial expressions that Shaw made during, and after her first encounter with Lin? If there weren't outright gay implications, there was at the very least some bi-curious stuff going on.
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Shaw's a bit like that with everyone. I'm not sure if she's fantasizing about sleeping with them or garroting them though, as it could go either way. There's even a bit of that vibe from Root. Outfit #3 above worked for me, BTW, but that may have just been because she was all hot and sweaty.
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Funny, and good old entertaining. I feel after the dark previous episodes, and the time of mourning, this was necessary. At least for me. I liked it, I did have fun watching it. Kind of Mission Impossible meets the old show with Robert Wagner It Takes A Thief (I doubt anybody here knows what I am talking about)
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I totally remember It Takes a Thief, and really enjoyed seeing them take the old heist movie tropes for a ride. Considering the skill sets of everyone involved, I'm surprised they haven't done this sooner.

And for those of you complaining this show wasn't up to standards, that's only because POI has set the bar so high in the first place, and had exceeded even its own standards in the previous story arc. For any other network show, this would have been a great episode. Who doesn't like a heist?
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Unless it's a Handlebar or sitting on Tom Selleck's face, mustaches have no place in this world. Full beard or GTFO!

I've read a grand total of one Reese/Finch fanfic (season 2, rated PG-13) and much like this episode it consisted of a random lady eyeing Reese and giving Finch the "you dun good" props. They diverged from what I assume is a trope in the Rinch (?) fandom and didn't have Finch tie Reese's bowtie--ON SCREEN.

This episode was terrible, but I appreciate the shout-out to Well Dressed Men Porn.
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I miss Joss
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I thought the episode was a bit of an 'homage' to Mission Impossible series.
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How convenient: the (otherwise useless) bars on the ceiling!
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All that tech assist and the gymnast forgot to chalk her hands before her bar routine. It wasn't like she was concerned with leaving copious amounts of sweaty prints!
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I a bit of a filler in episode after last week return of john in die hard on a plane, some bits were far fetched but thats why we like the show , I think they need to do something with fusco now HR out of the picture. Hopefully he be given more to do then just errand boy , POI is better then the wallowing with the beard!!!!!
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Watching this episode was like watching an episode of Leverage! Just plain simple fun without any serious stakes or emotional attachment, 40 minutes where you can just switch off your brain and just enjoy the ride, knowing that at the end the good guys will win and the bad guys will get whats coming. Definitely one of the weaker episodes of this season/series but nonetheless entertaining, although I was disappointed there wasn't more of a twist, I'm sure everyone guessed that the chinese lady was being blackmailed into stealing when Shaw let her go the first time after the gala event. I even guessed that it was her daughter they had! The writers pretty much went to plot devices 101 for dummies and dug this script up.
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they did a one off, and with the schedule as it is, I was okay with it. I have high hopes for the rest of the season!
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I thought 4C was a one off-this was a 2 off!
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Reese struggling with a bow tie was hilarious! Shaw was divine and badass in that white dress. I missed Root and the best line in this episode "Don't forget to give each finger a good lick before you scan them." haha
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The episode wasn't horrible. Although these people seriously seriously need to pay more attention to details. Reese took Bear and found Kelly's aprt. then Finch tells Reese he'll just have to check it out later when she's not there. However it wasn't Reese who ultimately checked it out it was Shaw. So unless I missed something Reese should have been the one to check it out or a mention of why Shaw was doing it instead.

Also I will be the first to admit that I know nothing on travel times but did Reese really have time to get all the way to I forget where I'll assume China to get the girl in the time line they had after getting the bible?
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I think he said: "That's why we should do a little recon in her apartment when she leaves, Mr. Reese." And I guess it was more logical to send Shaw since she already had contact with Kelly.

Some viewers seem to forget that Finch is a multimillionaire, so flying in a printer or sending someone to Europe within a few hours is nothing.

Besides, Reese went to the airport after Fusco picked him up and Kelly met the mobster the next evening after the heist. Plenty of time to go to Prague and find the girl.
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I didn't like this episode. It was too silly, even for POI. How Kelly left the "cage" with the Bible before security arrive? What you mention, why did Kelly left the museum in burglar suit? Why nobody restrained her? How could Kelly be unaware of the killings in her previous robberies? Didn't she read the news? And so on, and so on. But I liked a few things: Bouchard letting her go, Shaw humour, the sad ending and, specially, Finch's sexy raising eyebrows with the woman commented about Reese (I am sure the woman thought they were dating).
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Quote of the episode: I hate to interrupt your guys mildly erotic moment ... and Reeses comeback reply to Shaw ... I see your all packed up..
I nearly laughed my ass off... You cant help loving these verbal fistfights. Okay episode and i do hope Kelli returns later on.
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It was an ok standalone, which they probably had to do, to cover Reese returning to the team after going on a bender.
It showed the group dynamic has changed, while the last scene also showed that they are not forgetting Carter.
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This episode was goofy and fun. It wasn't up to the normal POI standard but it was still good. Miss Carter so much and the extra glass was a good call Reese.

Fusco is clutch. He fixes everything.
I got the impression that the lady implied that they where gay and it was funny.
During a fire alarm where there is real smoke and stuff does anyone pay attention to the people around them or do they just leave? I'm going with the latter.
I liked the White dress and for the reason why Ill quote Sarah Shahi's twitter "#boobscanbelethal". It was a great dress and one picked out by Sarah.
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I thought 4C was bad but no this was actually worse! I can accept one "for fun" episode but 2 in a row? I enjoyed the opening and closing scenes (especially the toast to Carter) but the rest was just so poorly written and unbelievable. I don't agree that it being a standalone was the reason. POI has had so many amazing and interesting standalone stories in the past but I felt like the writers were laughing at us watching Tuesday night! It was filmed back around the holidays so maybe they'd been overindulging in some holiday cocktails LOL. Hoping for a strong return.
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Is it... no, it can't be, is it possible? A week where Agents of Shield was better than POI?
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It was an entertaining episode. Sure we have been spoiled by the high standard POI has set for itself, but a silly stand alone episode is something POI can still pull off.

Was it corny? Yes
Was it silly? Yes
Was it fun? Yes
Was it over too quickly and too long a wait for the next episode? Hell Yes!
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I'm not really into the whole Decima / Government / other AI massive story arc are expecting. So a stand alone was very welcome by me.

It's a bit of a shame that with 100% stand alone it couldn't have been a bit more realistic. Everything was too easy for them (like that newly-arrived 3D printer that made finger prints. Quick ordering or massive coincidence?).

Still, again we mustn't forget that it is the shows previous awesomeness that's makes us have such high expectations.
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This episode reached for pure entertainment, but fell around the mundane heist plot. There was Shaw in evening attire and Reese with the cheesiest disguise to provide a little eye candy and levity. But, the Kelly Lin character and her back story wasn't compelling so we are left with watching our team do their stuff. Look at it like training, or more realistically "marking time". Fusco is actually really on the inside now and, apparently, enjoying himself as a full member. That's nice because Fusco's character has become quite endearing. Even though 10 minutes in I had the sense I could skip this one, I watched the entire episode. Finch, Reese, Shaw, and Fusco as team are that good,I think, even with a lesser one off decidedly weak episode. Now, lets get back to Root and the story arc because this makes one even more hungry for chase to control the machine.
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The funniest part other than the fake mustache was Reese waiting for the guy making Lin do everything, to watch before he took out the guards watching the girl.
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Now that viewers have had a taste of the serialized arc of the show they will always find the procedural (stand-alone) of lesser quality. I think it was a good idea to drop the serialized arc during the "Four weeks sandwich"... The waiting between episodes would have been horrible. Nonetheless, This was a good episode, good action, well done and entertaining.

Lets not forget that Reese was pretty messed up and going to leave in the previous episode so, yes, maybe Shaw has to share more of the heavy lifting. The extra glass which he suggested shows that he still has not totally recovered from the lost of Carter. Reese is back to the dark place where he was at the beginning of the series. This series has always maintained an excellent consistency even through the procedural episodes.

Yes, the guy from Interpol sounded more Belgian than French.
Yes, the lady though that they were gays: Reese was Finch's "plus one".

I miss Taraji and am eager to see Amy again...
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It spared us a lot of the ridiculous kill everyone in the room at the last second for the most part. Enjoyed Fusco showing up in timely fashion to arrest Reese and Shaw. Pretty good episode, not sure what the complaints are about.
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Not every episode can be completely made of awesome, and an "only okay" episode of Person of Interest was bound to happen sooner or later. It's still the best show on network TV until February 28th.

On another note, how the fuck do these people do TV? There were three weeks of nothing between the Endgame arc and Lethe, two weeks between Aletheia and Provenance, and now another two weeks until the next one? I could understand that last hiatus if CBS had the Olympics, but this is just stupid.
And some people wonder why network TV is ridiculed.
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I don't care when, how or why, but we need the 'Stache back sometime before the end of the season. Don't care about the circumstances, just need it.
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After several great episodes, Person of Interest was bound to hit a bump sooner or later, and that's what happened here. I do think it suffered a bit by comparison to the previous few episodes, and was still entertaining in its own way, but it definitely wasn't one of the better episodes.
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After briefly skimming through some of the comments, I do feel like saying this:

Even though this wasn't one of the better episodes of the show, that's not because it was a filler episode IMO. Yes, in some (i.e. a lot) of shows, filler can be a bad thing, but I think that Person of Interest is one of the best shows as far as "filler" goes. There have been plenty of very enjoyable "filler" episodes throughout the series, sometimes even rivaling the more mythology-heavy episodes, just for different reasons.

In fact, we've just recently had 5 episodes with a very heavy focus on mythology. And sure, we just had a semi-filler episode before this (albeit with a connection to the mythology), but after such a long focus on mythology, I was perfectly willing to have at least one more filler episode help ease us back into the swing of things, and get the group back together before going back to more mythology-based episodes.
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lonely glass at the end made me misty..but enough of Carter being gone..lets move on...and I would like to see root....
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Is Shaw the new Reese? Just curious because she's doing all the heavy-lifting these days. Not that Reese doesn't make his presence felt, but the two of them are bleeding the energy from one another, and it didn't help that yet another character, Kelley Lin stole the show. I would have also liked more story arc. The episode was definitely a stand alone, which is okay, but does nothing to engage the veteran viewer of the series. In the end, it was all very neat and tidy, I guess. And poor Fusco. Does he get paid to do this? because he's worth his weight in gold. Great character! Love that accent! Nice toast at the end. Touching coming from that softie, Reese. And yes, the comment to Finch of Reese being "gorgeous" was absolutely gay.
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Is there Reese and Finch slashfic?

Haven't been to ff.net's PoI section have you? It's harder finding non-slash fic there...
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My God. Elaine Tam is freakin gorgeous. Why don't we see her more?
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It has felt like Shaw has over cooked the I can out Reese Reese for too long now. It's worth having new characters but they really need to be that and not just a different gender. Shahi is starting to remind me of (dare I say it, I do) David Caruso. Whereas Caviezel adds subtlety and layers, she brick layer's her way through - which is fun if you're 9+. And the air time she's taking away from Caviezel is grating upon me. Amy Acker, alternately, adds the extra dimensions and has been a teat.
Overall it was a disjointed episode and suffered for it but did have moments worth watching. The +1 bit was the capper for me; with Harold's eyebrow, aint I lucky and don't I know it, raise!
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"Whereas Caviezel adds subtlety and layers, she brick layer's her way through - which is fun if you're 9+. And the air time she's taking away from Caviezel is grating upon me."

So very true, sigh.
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They should just add Amy Acker to the cast full time already. She's like a magnet.
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Agree--that eyebrow waggle was hilarious! Did anyone else get the impression that Emerson did it for a goof, and they thought it was so funny that they left it in?
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Well - a filler episode. For that it was well done, but average. Still, POI does them every once in a while, which I can accept even though I like the other episodes better.
Shaws outfit... It was a nice dress, but I still prefer the third outfit, the combat gear.

For me the best scene was the last one, where everyone sat together around a fire and had a drink, told tales and fantasized about stuff. And everyone missed Carter. I wish I could have joined them right then and there....
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Lol at both Reese's mustache and Finch feeling out over his new 3D printer..... Liked the tribute to Carter at the end but other than that this episode was very men. (And I liked the last ep, this one was just missing something)
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That was the funny/strange part...a guy like Finch should be sitting on the latest toys, you'd think. Especially since you'd think a guy like Finch would be nuts for such things.
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The plot itself wasn't all that interesting, but the not-so-subtle emotional content at the opening and closing was gold.
Reese coming back (in a new suit!) and watching Finch and Shaw working together like a well-oiled machine, finding that Shaw had "remodeled" in his absence (i.e. moved his back-up gun) like they'd moved on, like there wasn't room for him anymore - ouch.
And setting out an extra glass for Carter at the end - the pain! *sniffles*

And what kind of question is that, by the way?
"Is there Reese and Finch slashfic?"
Ask a silly question...
OF COURSE THERE IS!
They were voted one of the top favourite "Valentine's couples" right here on TV.com a year or two back - I believe that says it all.
The "plus one"-scene was pure fanwank, which we appreciate very much, thank you!
As was the bowtie failure, I believe - we didn't see what happened between Total!Fail Reese and Perfectly Attired!Reese, but I'm betting it launched a hundred fics where Finch carefully tied a perfect wossname around Reese's neck.
After all, they've been written before - now, they're practically canon. ;)
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And I found the evidence:
Couples we'd like to see
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Hopefully we are now successfully in a false sense of security before the hacker group story hits the fan in two weeks time and everyone forgets this episode completely once their minds are blown.
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Recently I got caught up on this series by watching Seasons 1 and 2 on DVD ( I have been watching Season 3). I enjoyed most of the episodes and got into all the drama with Root, HR, the government, etc. The stand-alones just can't compare with the shows that feature our guys dealing with the above mentioned "bad guys." Tonight's episode was particularly weak--hardly enjoyed it after the drama of the old shows I just finished watching. One small thing that indicates how silly this show was is that we didn't get to see how Shaw and the gymnast get away with the Bible. What a joke!
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I enjoyed this episode for what it was~a stand alone procedural. Sure, I prefer the more intense serialized episodes but I also like the campy fun episodes.
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Filler episode! Lame!
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I liked some parts of this, but ... any time I get this much fanservice, I get the uneasy notion that the Power are laughing at us, not with us -- or that they're desperately trying to get us to stop complaining about the fridging of Carter. The rest of it could have been a lovely spoof on "Return of the Pink Panther" if it hadn't taken itself so serious. The porn-star 'stache? Cute, but -- really? And the other many, many plot holes -- and the whole educated world cringing when she picked up the Guttenburg Bible with her bare sweaty hands ... By the end of the episode we were laughing out loud and comparing it to the final scene in "Sharknado" (with the chain saw). Seriously, POI, you can do better -- and the fans deserve better.
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It was OK for a standalone, but I don't like standalones. I agree with Tim that the heist wasn't that well done. The episode had its moments, but it was nowhere near great.

Anyone else starting to get a bit concerned after four pretty weak episodes in a row? If it had been just one, we could have said "they can't all be great", but now it's four.
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Lethe and Aletheia were weak episodes?
That is a surprising point of view.
I actually found 4C and Provenance something of a relief after the previous six.
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One of those episodes had THREE scenes where someone got into an impossible situation that meant certain death for them, and then got saved by a gunshot from someone not seen by the camera, someone who wasn't even supposed to be there. The first time made me sigh loudly and think "what kind of amateur wrote this?" and then it happened TWO MORE TIMES in the same episode. Those scenes alone were so bad that I couldn't possibly like the episode.

That was 3x12 Aletheia, right? I don't remember anything I hated about 3x11 Lethe (unless that was the one with the three awful scenes) , so I think I just thought it wasn't particularly interesting. It was mostly a setup for 3x12, which was ruined by the scenes I mentioned.

At least one of those episodes did however have some good moments with root. I really like her.

4C was too silly for me. It had its moments, but too much of it didn't make sense. The moment that irritated me the most was when Reese smashed through the door to the cockpit with the food cart. That's so incredibly bad that it was painful to watch. Nothing else in the episode was THAT bad, but a lot of it was pretty bad.
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Fair enough. Those last minute saves didn't bother me much, but I get it.
4C was very silly. I saw it as welcome comic relief after the previous.
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No. Simply; no. I commend the producers on putting this episode in this place. It's worth nothing, and we can all take a deep breath and hope for better times. Perhaps in two weeks we will all have forgotten this.
Worst.
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Worst.
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Yes there is a Reese/Finch Fan fiction out there and I am one happy reader
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It gave me a Mission Impossible 1970's series vibe all along. Especially Reese's moustache fitted.
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You could tell this was just a filler episode during the mini Hiatus....guarantee the next episode will be on point....
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I loved the cartoon like quality of today's episode. Let's have fun kids was the motto, and I had it! Even though I really don't agree with your bad review that sentence " Me Finch, Me tappa tappa on the computer" really cracked me up. I'm giggling while writing this. This is the kind of fun I had with Provenance.
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I liked it but didn't love it. I think POI set its own standards so high that these sort of episodes that I loved first season kind of seem...huh. But I do appreciate that the show sort of needed to reset itself so the show is ready to face another battle with....okay my mind started whirring again.

I sort of also feel like we can probably time when the cast and the writers actually took time off for the holidays and were sort of like, crap, we need one more episode. We got Reese back...okay, lets just plunge them into action with little to no other fan fare, Finch will mention his suit, Shaw will have reorganized, but that will be the only mention.
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Provenance, one of the definitions of it is the place of origin. This episode was kind of a reset. To kind of show them what they are there to do. And that is helping people. It was a stand alone however I can't help but think that Lin could very well be used again. The whole her questioning what she is going to do now was an interesting way to leave the door open for her to be useful to the team in the future. She ticks a few of the boxes as to what the machine could look for for one of its potential teams.

That is the only compliment I can give this episode. Come on guys, heist episode. I was expecting more Inside Man rather than Ocean's Eleven. You writers craft fantastically written episodes and I expect better.

And Sarah Shahi in the dress was pretty fantastic. Reese in the mustache was hilarious. The guy believing it deserved to be smacked in the back of the head for not spotting the fake.
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I for one don't really care if the issue of Reese being Finch's +1 was all about 'the gay' or not. Those two have awesome chemistry together, and it's cool they can at least go undercover as an assumed couple without it being a big deal in the show.

Would it really make any difference if those two characters were gay? Or would it matter 'cause they weren't introduced as gay and are just regular guys and not campy caricatures? To me, the way Finch was clearly aware of what was going on and enjoying the check-in lady's obvious envy was a great reaction, 'cause it wasn't underlined, it was just the way things were. A man proud of his +1, not a statement.

And let's be honest. Most of the big gay -themed scenes and plotlines in hit shows do tend to be pretty clumsily made. Showing How Very Tolerant The Characters Are!

To be quite honest, I'd buy Finch and Reese having romantic feelings towards each other over Reese having romantic feelings towards Carter any day. But that's just me. :) It's kinda cool it's now canon that Finch wouldn't be horribly offended by such thoughts.
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"I for one don't really care if the issue of Reese being Finch's +1 was all about 'the gay' or not."

There always has to be some gay-rights activist type like you responding to these things, mustn't there...?

*facepalm*

No-one cares how gay-friendly you are... They were just merely curious as to whether the lady implied Finch and Reese were together.
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Should I now assume that there will always be an anti-gay-right activist responding to every gay friendly comment here? My personal opinion about an issue does not make me an activist, just like your comment doesn't make you an ignorant bigot.

Am so glad you bothered to correct me and guide the discussion back to the approved lines of sticking to a certain point and not actually having anything real to say. George Orwell would have a field day with you. Thank you.
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"And let's be honest. Most of the big gay -themed scenes and plotlines in hit shows do tend to be pretty clumsily made. Showing How Very Tolerant The Characters Are!

To be quite honest, I'd buy Finch and Reese having romantic feelings towards each other over Reese having romantic feelings towards Carter any day. But that's just me. :) It's kinda cool it's now canon that Finch wouldn't be horribly offended by such thoughts."

I couldn't agree more. Very well said!
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"To be quite honest, I'd buy Finch and Reese having romantic feelings towards each other over Reese having romantic feelings towards Carter any day. But that's just me."

Yes, that's just you. i have no issues with gay couples or even Finch/Reese being gay if there was even the slightest indicator of that--BUT there ISN'T.

Carter on the other hand, Reese was routinely and surreptitiously giving her the eye. Just watch the scene when he's checking her out in her police officer uniform for the first time and he tells her she's "lookin' good." They had chemistry for eons and the fact that Reese held a special place for her in his heart was pretty clear. And that's been since about episode one. ;)
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We'll just have to agree to disagree. Like I said, it's a matter of perspective and I never stated John didn't hold a special place for Carter. She was an awesome character, and I wish they hadn't killed her, but the romance and especially the strength of John's feelings for her did sound off for me.

If you re-watch season 1, you can hear John express the same notion of 'you saved me' to Finch. That does not mean they're so obviously into each other, but it does make me wonder why they had John suddenly state the same to Carter as if the authors had completely forgotten those same sentiments shared between Reese and Finch.

I am not trying to start a shipper war with anyone, am just stating my opinion that the way they handled the romantic aspect of John and Carter felt wrong to me. I'm a firm believer of their awesome friendship, but never saw it as anything more. Clearly we see things from a different point of view, and that's way cool.

Also, why on earth does everything have to be about people labeling themselves as straight or gay? Or television characters being labeled straight or gay. Is this whole thing really so scary people need to be pointed out who's different from the beginning? Everyone's straight unless labeled otherwise? Life isn't that simple, and one of these days an American tv show gets it right. Till then, will just have to be glad they acknowledge diversity the way they do now; pointing it out and making it special. It's not. It's just as normal and boring as everyone else.
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