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Please read here my full explanation. I didn't think I needed to post that as well but I was wrong, it is fair to show the complete point of view.

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Dearest Fandom,

It’s possible that some of you already know how much I care about Person of Interest and, in particular, about it staying coherent and in character.

There's been a particular moment, during "The Crossing", which has been quite controversial, hence I have a question for you and I’d love to know what you think:

Would you sign a petition that asks to see an alternative scene at the morgue between Reese and Carter during "The Crossing" 3x09, as an extra feature in the DVD box?

Specifically:

- John doesn't tell her that she was the one who saved him;

- the kiss doesn't happen (they share a hug instead, for example).

It's quite probable that they have more versions of that scene and it would be nice to see the one that follows the original script as additional feature in Season 3 DVD Box.

Just to be clear: I do think that Carter had a huge influence on Reese and that she was essential for his inner balance, but I believe the very first recognition should go to Finch, as John stated many times during Season 1 and 2 (1x10, 1x14, 1x16, 2x01, 2x03, 2x10, 2x13 + many other hints).

I also believe the last events give me some additional credit, because after being crushed and heartbroken, John decided to come back all the same, because he needed the job.

But that’s my opinion, what do you think, guys? Let's vote!

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People like you really make me absolutely SICK and i'm really ashamed that you call yourself a fan.
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I don't think a petition would help. According to this article, Nolan and others didn't script it. It just happened. The actors did it on their own. And they debated for days on whether or not to keep it or to throw the scene out. Ultimately they chose to keep it in.
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even though i'm also not a fan of that scene - it is what it is - i say leave it - sorry.
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Say what you will, but I don't think there was anything strange about the kiss or Reese telling Carter she was the one who saved him. It's a matter of perception. Yes, Finch gave him a job and a purpose in life and Reese has told him that he's greatful for that on numerous occasions. But who's to say that Carter taking an interest in him after the subway incident in the pilot wasn't the trigger that got him back into the world and enabled him to even consider Finch's offer?

That's part of the beauty of how these characters were written and what keeps me consitently interested even when an episode isn't all that good. The fact that you never get a complete insight into their thoughts and feelings, just like you don't with anyone in real life. People can tell you how they feel and then act in a completely different way minutes later. It gives credibility to the characters of this show that they exhibit that exact behavior.

I think Reese was in love with Carter and that he really did feel like she saved him. She was his conciense. The one who always believed that he had good in him, even in his darkest moments and didn't judge him for his past, even though, as an Army interrogator, she knew full well what people like him did for a living. And Reese knew that. He knew she was one of the only people who could see right through him and still believe in his basic goodness. If that shouldn't count for something, what should?

The kiss was perfectly natural to me. They were in a tight spot and didn't know if they'd make it out alive and if ever there were two people who understood the meaning of the words "carpe diem", I'd suspect it was these two. They had nothing to lose at that point, so why waste time with hugging when a kiss was what they both wanted? At least they wouldn't go out wondering what it would have felt like.
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I have this strong perception of Carter as a full-time mother. Her maternal instinct was so strong towards our duo that, even if I try very hard, I can't really picture her romantically involved with them, John or Harold in the same way.

On the other hand, I can't deny she had such a special relationship with John, much deeper than the one she had with Harold, and I think that's because it was John who sought her, who exposed himself more, who deeply admired and idealized her. She was his moral compass and with reason.

And I won't deny either that she could see right through him, as I've said many times she truly believed in him and she truly believed that he was a good man, no matter what he had done in the past.

But I've always seen her encouraging them, reprimanding them, caring about them as a mother. Not a lover, not a friend. Such roles are important but I don't think they can fully describe their bond. A mother can be a mother even with people much older than her, a mother risks and sacrifices her own safety, her own moral. She bent her rules for them, for John.

The only moment I've seen her acting like a woman in a romantic context was with Beecher, because she was also coy, shy, hesitant, beside her usual determinate and ordinary self, that is. And there I saw John acting like a brother (son?), protective and observant.

I don't really know about John's feelings in all this. On the one hand I think he could never be in love again, not after his trauma with Jessica. And has he ever been able to be in a relationship? Why, and I mean, the very true reason, did he leave her? Insecurity, unworthiness?

The most reasonable thing to assume is that he would think the same with Carter, even worse, after the CIA monstrosities he did and the high opinion he has of her, because of her honest life. The gap has become unbridgeable.

Moreover, I've only seen deep admiration from his part, high respect, protectiveness, I couldn't see him smitten, really, or thinking about sex.

That scene at the morgue was a poignant declaration of all this, of how much she was important for him, how much she had helped him. I can't see that as a sign of being in love. I can see that a sign of love, though.

It surely depends on my "maternal" perspective, of course.

Frankly, I'm really sad that she's gone. John seems to feel better after that "pleasant" flight, but we've lost a mother, we've lost the positive character and this can foresee darker times only.

Darkness that I love, on the other hand, and I'm sure the writers will be great at it.

Only I hope that her very last sentence "Don't let this..." (again the sentence of a mother who wants her child to keep walking the good path) will be heeded, because as much as I love darker atmospheres, I also believe John should really think he still has a bit of good in him.

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Oh, I completely agree with you that Carter acted motherly, especially to John. After all, that's how their whole relationship started. She saw a veteran in deep trouble and her instinct was to try and help him.

However, I don't agree that her acting motherly and them becoming romantically involved are mutually exclusive. Many girlfriends and wives take on motherly traits with their partners, which can be both a good and a bad thing in a relationship (the perfect TV example being Marge and Homer Simpson). The same can be true the other way around. A man can be protective, caring, nurturing and encouraging to his partner, just like a father is supposed to be, without that having an adverse effect on the relationship. It's all about role distribution. If both parties are good with the roles in the relationship, the relationship works.

John is self sufficient and as far as we know, always has been. But even the most self sufficient person in the world can do with a little care and nurture every once in a while. I have an image of John not being used to that kind of attention from anyone and actually liking it once he found it in Carter. You could see it in that smug smile he got every time she acted motherly towards him. It was that "I've got this, but it's nice to know that someone cares about me" kind of smile.

But, for the sake of argument, let's say you're right. These two people didn't see each other as romantic interests. I still think there's an argument that the kiss was perfectly natural. Let's dive into the psychology of the situation:

They both had a need to show that they cared deeply for each other and the adrenaline from the situation had them both in hyperdrive. So how do two people of opposite genders that have no family ties show affection for one another? They could hug, but the situation was entirely too intense for that to be enough. They needed two things in that situation: Release for their intense feelings and reassurance. Sure, if Carter had lived, the days, weeks and months after the kiss might have become awkward for them if that kiss wasn't intended to be romantic for one or both of them, but how many kisses and one night stands with awkward moments to follow have come out of situations way less intense than this one over the course of human history?

Either way, I still say the kiss fit perfectly with the situation.
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How come I can't reply to your comment below? Here's my reply here:

“And has he ever been able to be in a relationship? Why, and I mean, the very true reason, did he leave her? Insecurity, unworthiness?”

It was hasty and barely touched, because we weren’t really in that topic during my first comment, but my allusions at John’s inner insecurity in a romantic relationship are there, because I’ve never bought the whole “I leave you to save the Country from terrorists”.

Also because he clearly declares so to Peter Arndt, telling him he had left her because he thought someone could take better care of her.

John was very insecure; I entirely share your point about it.

On the other hand, I believe this insecurity doesn’t strictly depend on the person he has in front of him. He didn’t feel that way because of Jessica, while feeling less insecure with Joss because she was stronger. I think it simply is a weakness of his, because of some background I’d love to know about (we had a nice share of Finch’s past, I so hope they’ll give us the same about Reese’s).

Moreover, I think Jessica’s strength is often underestimated. I believe two things, above all:

1) She showed a lot of courage, asking, begging John to return to her, more than willing to wait for him, and bravely pursuing the opportunity to spend her life with John, even though she was already engaged. Trying everything to pursue happiness is a very admirable trait, in my opinion, not to mention manifestation of strength. John almost, ALMOST said those words in front of her at the airport and she was right, he lacked courage then and then, at the same time, he knew he should have said those words moments before, to her face. He simply couldn’t, for who knows what fear, what past trauma, and that hurt him badly because he felt helpless to control this “primordial self destructive urge”.

2) They had a true connection, as John’s states during his very first speech in the pilot. “You become someone better”. I think they both were better when they were together. He was less insecure and she was stronger. A good relationship can do that to you, they improved each other. That’s way Jessica hadn’t the strength to fight against Peter, she had lost a part of it when she had lost John. And John without her was lost for a long time. Too bad she couldn’t improve him enough to make him abandon his insecurities entirely and give him the courage to pursue his happiness too.

But John can be quite stubborn, can he? Not even Carter’s death, and Finch reminding him so, could stop him from pulling that trigger against Quinn.

So, you see, I think Carter wasn’t enough either to completely “heal” John, to fight his inner demons. Not when she was alive, nor when she was dead.

Back to Jessica’s weakness, I know there are people who would have reacted all the same against abuse, a woman like Carter, for example, but I don’t think we should consider Jessica that weak because of what happened between her and Peter. She also was a disillusioned woman about love, and again, it was partially John’s fault for don’t believing enough in them.

I’m a great supporter of human relationships and I think we have inner strength, but that we also gather strength from people around us.

So in the end I don’t think John’s drama about Jessica is guilt only, he is very guilty, we can’t deny that, but it’s also a missing opportunity: it’s a lost chance to be a “better” person, to have an ordinary life, with a house or a boat, and children, and we all know John’s always longs for that, although he doesn’t believe he could ever had that at all. He knows he should have believed in them back in 2001, because it was his dream and he didn’t have the courage to pursue it.

Hence I’m still grasping that 1%, because I think John could never feel a peer to Carter, he simply gathered the strength to declare his gratitude but his insecurities would have prevail once again, as he showed in the hotel with Quinn. People can “improve” us, but they can’t really change something deeply rooted inside us.

So I can’t see a “safe” relationship either, as I can’t see romance between them, I really can’t. In an ideal world maybe, but not like that, not with a Machine and their pasts hindering an “ordinary” flow of events.

You know what wouldn’t surprise me? If John decided to let go of Zoe as well, trust him to think that he’s doomed to lose and “kill” every woman he got attached to someway, romantically, physically or mentally. So why endanger her? I really hope he’s not THAT hopeless in that regard, because I’m afraid that what he has with Zoe is the most he can have from a romantic side. Too broken, even more now, I can’t see a chance of normal “romance” for him. I hope he makes the most of it, because everyone deserves a bit of that in his/her life.
(As Carter was trying to do with Beecher. Sad, sad turn of events that as well, and she was fighting for justice and him too, she told more than once).

But you know what? In the end I don’t really mind, because I’m a sadistic fangirl and I love broken characters and dark atmospheres and I don’t particularly enjoy romance in TV shows or movies. Moreover I think POI has never been focused on idyllic romance at all, so I can’t wait to go back again to every mystery and twist and surprise the writers have in store for us.

And yes, I hope they’re zealous enough to read all our ramblings :D
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You’ve exposed very valid points here and I agree that all you’ve mentioned is very plausible: it really depends on the type of relationship you develop with your partner, the balance you reach.

Unfortunately, I’m afraid we’ll never find out about that, regarding John and Joss, because, if it’s my turn to hypothesize for the sake of the argument and to agree that they were in love, consequentially ending up together, they couldn’t reach the point to test that balance because of the relationship which didn’t bloom due to her early death.

I don’t concur on the interpretation of this particular situation, which I have surely noticed but understood differently:

“I have an image of John not being used to that kind of attention from anyone and actually liking it once he found it in Carter. You could see it in that smug smile he got every time she acted motherly towards him. It was that "I've got this, but it's nice to know that someone cares about me" kind of smile.”

I have this same images and I connects it to John’s childhood: since he has only mentioned his father so far, and since I do agree that he was extremely pleased to get those motherly attentions from Carter, I have speculated that his mother’s caring nurturing stopped abruptly (maybe she died when he was very little, maybe she embittered because of her husband’s unfair life/death or who knows).

Then it has been all war and sufferance, he has only one occasion to catch his breath, those six months with Jessica, but then it’s global tragedy and he chooses to give up their idyllic relationship.

And again I can’t help but think something about his mother must be relevant here, because she had been the wife of a soldier and John’s intention was to spare Jessica the same fate, a fate he could more than picture in his head, it was a reality he had lived in his home and knew how it worked.

So he goes on and it’s only talks about darkness and being The Dark for him from then.

Then there’s Carter, who gives him those gestures, gestures he knew through his mother, not through Jessica (which I’m sure was maternal enough, but maybe more devoted and deeply in love than anything else).
That’s why I’ve considered John sort of immune to any romantic attraction to the maternal trait.

Also, we can’t forget Joan, who took care of him while he was homeless. Now I understand it’s a tad difficult to fall in love with someone like Joan and that I can’t really compare her to Carter, but it’s just an example to say that John definitely has a weak spot for maternal affection not strictly related to romance.

Then again, maybe it wasn’t the maternal affection which made him fall in love with Carter, but the fact that they could share war stories and experience. But I see those traits the ones you can admire in a friend, not a lover, and you can assert the opposite and we end up in the same conundrum all over again, because in the end we don’t have enough material to establish if they were in love or not, because every gesture can be read both ways.

Despite everything though, I think the most enigmatic figure here is John. If I must have a doubt about the romantic involvement it’s only from his part, because from Carter’s perspective I see things much clearer: I see a woman who was brave enough to rise her son by herself and protect him from his own, drifting father. It’s really difficult to picture her willingly facing a similar situation when it comes to John, because of a fresh romance. I think she showed us she had the courage not to take a responsibility she couldn’t handle, being a mother to his son AND to his husband, and it’s difficult to imagine she would change her mind for John, deciding she could be a lover/mother for him, who isn’t even the father of her child.

We’re really discussing hues here, nuances, because we lack material.

But I do have one thing I really want you to thank for, and it’s making that kiss 99% normal for me. I still keep a tiny 1%, and it was the rational explanation I kept giving myself, but reading that, following my own reasing has helped me a lot and for that I really thank you.

Also, last thing, I swear, all this talk made me ponder again on the fact that we only know something about John’s father and Harold’s, and not a thing about their mothers. Could the writers have some nice surprise about them for us? Could there be only one? It would be kinda cliché but those are questions you ask yourself when you watch your fair share of tv shows.

And now I’m off, for real! Thanks again!
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Glad I could help :-)

I like where your thoughts are going about the whole Finch and Reese's mothers never being mentioned thing. There's some serious potential for character insight later on. Good catch. Let's hope the writers have either had those thoughts already or care enough about their show to read this and be inspired (they probably don't, but you can always hope, right?).

I've been reading through our discussion again and I actually think I might be able to help you with that final 1%.

You make som good points about the high regard that Reese had for Carter and her bending the rules for him and Finch and also about the whole maternal instinct thing and how she didn't want to be a mom to both her son and her drifting husband. There's also Jessica and how John felt about her and particularly about losing her the way he did. However, I believe the missing 1% is hidden in plain sight in your own statements.

Yes, Carter was a by-the-book cop to begin with and Reese was a rulebreaker who only avoided killing anyone he felt deserved it because Finch told him not to. But as the relationship between them evolved, they both ventured into each others moral territory, Reese trying to play by or at least in the vecinity of the rules and Carter breaking them little by little as a means to an end. That brought on a mutual understanding of both sides of the playing field, so when they stood in that morgue together, the field was level. They both had an understanding of each others' worlds, the possibilities and limitations within each of them and the grey area in between. That created a mutual respect that bridged the unbridgeable gap you talked about.

As for Carter and her ex and comparing their relationship to her realtionship with John, I have a couple of observations:

1. Carter's ex wasn't able to pull himself up even with her help. I underlined the word "with" because I have a clear image of her trying for an extended period of time. It's just who she is. Also, her ex didn't really appreciate what she was trying to do for him, which eventually led to her kicking him out. Reese is different. Yes, he needed help, but we've already established that it's in her nature to provide that, so that's clearly not a problem for her. But he accepted her help, which sets him apart from her ex. Even though Reese is in many ways capable of taking better care of himself than most people, he still acknowledges that he's not Rambo. He can't win the war alone and he knows it. That's points for Reese that her ex never got.

2. Carter's ex had a tough time with her being a cop. Classic male fears of being inferior to or weaker than your woman, leading to disrespect and sometimes even sabotage. Reese respects her for being a cop and not only that, he actually holds her capabilities and morals in high regard. For a strong, independant woman like Carter, that's a must in a man.

3. Carter may have a strong protective gene, but so does Reese. They're very similar in that way and they both knew that.

Conclusion: Reese isn't the opposite of what she wanted and needed. He's exactly what she wanted and needed.

As for Reese and Jessica, I think the psychology behind her significance to him is quite different from what most people belive. The common thinking is that he was head over heels in love with her, had to leave her because of his job (both because he was physically called away and because he didn't want her involved, so she wouldn't get hurt) and then regretted it, only he did it too late to save her and now he's heartbroken that the love of his life is dead. That's certainly how it seems anyway. But let's take a look at John Reese for a moment:

We're talking about an introverted control freak with a strong sense of justice and duty and an even stronger protective gene. As such, he's likely to feel responsible for any and all bad things that happen to the people close to him. Failure is not something this man does well with, especially if it's failure to live up to his duty of protecting the people he feels he should. He's fiercely loyal to the people he feels deserve it, but he's stingy with his personal feelings, even to those closest to him. He's incredibly intelligent and resourceful and is drawn to people like himself or "better versions" of himself, which leads me to believe that in spite of his resourcefulness and intelligence, he's insecure and feels that nothing he ever does is good enough.

Apply this "profile" to his relationship with Jessica and you'll soon figure out why he left her. Insecurity. His sense of duty to protect her from all things bad in this world was sure to be challenged sooner or later and in weighing the pros and cons of having a girlfriend who didn't have the knowledge or skills to protect herself, that was a challenge he stood to lose. A loss he wouldn't be able to cope with. His strong feelings about her death have nothing to do with how much he loved her. They're about his inability to protect her. It's not loss. It's guilt.

Carter was everything Jessica wasn't. A woman who knew the world he lived in and accepted it and a woman who knew how to protect herself. She was "safe" to have a relationship with.
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Great post
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I'm just glad carter is finally gone. Talented as the actress was, her character was neither compelling, nor believable IMO. Scenes where she pulled off Reese-level badassery and gun play were particularly off-putting. She was an INTERROGATOR for the military. She shouldn't have more than basic combat training. And even if she had the same training that infantry weapon specialists get, Reese mows through those like grass on a daily basis. Besides, she was redundant given that Fusco was also a detective working with Finch/Reese. So if it takes Reese making out with her and saying she "saved him" to have her killed off, then so be it.
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You're an idiot obviously.
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Please be nice to each other. TV.com has a zero tolerance policy for bullying or personal attacks. Please play nice!
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You know, it's because of comments like yours and several others not so nicely and respectfully phrased reactions to this article that I have come to refer to the Carter/Reese shippers mainly as The Mean Bunch.

Everyone has a right to his/her own opinion. I don't see anyone here calling the Careese-fans and their opinion idiotic, even though some of us don't agree. It's a matter of respect!

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Really? Over 20 'likes' for an insult?? Unbelievable ... but thanks for proofing my point -.-
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WTF is a shipper?
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You know a show is going well when they start petitioning for extra stuff in the DVD instead of renewal...
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I am quite happy with the referenced scene in The Crossing and have no need to see alternate takes. I like in particular that the kiss confirmed the slowly evolving and long-standing interest Reese had displayed toward Carter since mid-season one. The affection and romantic interest was definitely ramped up in all the episodes of season three beginning with the highly personalized phone call in Liberty, the chest bump in Lady Killer, the beer date, the fist bump and other clear signs of involvement and engagement between these two. I don't feel that Reese's declaration to Carter in any way negated his feeling that Finch was crucial to his rescue and redemption. On the contrary, Reese was stating that without Carter's timely intervention, Finch's help would not have been available to him. I also think that what Reese was doing was purely and understandably human: he was recounting a critical turning point in his life (meeting Carter) through the lens of his current feelings for her. Just as we might all tell the story of our first meeting with a spouse one way the day after it happened and a different way ten years later, Reese was reflecting how he feels now about Carter and her importance in his life. This makes complete sense to me as a psychological insight into Reese. He never saw her as a "buddy" or platonic pal. And the kiss confirmed that.
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I must say our perspectives are antipodal, but for that I want to thank you even more for commenting so peacefully and calmly, it’s a precious gift!
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Actually, the kiss was not scripted. If you watch/read the numerous interviews they did for Entertainment Weekly, IGN, etc., the actors felt the moment needed it, so they added it ad-lib. Nolan and company agreed that it worked as a simple goodbye sweet thank-you kiss.

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Yup, that's precisely for this reason that I was investigating on the topic, because I would have loved to see any other take of the scene, if there is one, that is, which has followed the original script.

But the majority voted against so I believe there's no point in starting the petition at all.
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Can we start a petition for them to reshoot the end of Lost so that it doesn't suck??
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Can we start a petition for them to reshoot the last SEASON of Lost? Actually make that the last 2 seasons!! Lol
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I would definitely like to see it as a special feature on the DVD ;)
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LOL, I wasn't asking for a reshooting, but if you start a petition about LOST finale you have my vote ;P
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Really, this is your beef? Not the fact that Carter was killed off, but because Reese gave her a "goodbye" kiss? Whatever.
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"It's quite probable that they have more versions of that scene and it would be nice to see the one that follows the original script"

It really isn't probable. It's possible, I suppose, but unless it actually was in the original script, and it got onto the shooting script, and it stayed there long enough that they actually filmed it, the scene just wouldn't exist.

What would be the point? If people want to imagine the scene, they can imagine it. What purpose would it be for the producers to put the scene in merely to justify something that they decided they didn't want to do?

Which MST3K episode was it that the movie ended horribly, and Joel told the bots to imagine their own endings instead?
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I guess the mere point is curiosity, plain and simple. I was glad to catch a glimpse of those scene in the extended pilot, those that never happened, and sure enough I can simply imagine different scenarios in my head about the scene in 3x09, just for the fun of it, write a fanfiction, even? I've done that before :)

The only difference here, and it's a personal perception, I'm well aware of that, is that the writers conceived something closer to my POV and seeing that on the screen instead of simply imagining or writing it would be really great for me.

Then I've wondered if someone could share this vision of mine, hence this poll. There will be no petition though, because I like democracy and the result is quite clear: less than a third of the voters agree with the request, so it's not enough to ask.

Anyway, as I've written before, I've enjoyed this entire exchange way too much, because I love rambling about this show :D
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It also depends on what is meant by "alternate takes."

Especially with big emotional scenes, a director will film multiple takes to make sure he gets exactly the right emotions. But that isn't the same thing as alternate takes.
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The whole scene was a bit forced and tacked on because its obvious to everyone who has been watching the show since the pilot that it was in fact FINCH who "saved" him by giving him a new purpose in life. Also in the 3 seasons so far John has never really gotten over Jessica even though he has a thing with Zoe :)
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I agree with that. They could have had John say a couple things about what Carter means to him in previous episodes so it wouldn't feel so out of nowhere.
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That's how I see things too, about the Finch topic. About the kiss between John and Joss I simply think it was a bit awkward, never taken it in a romantic way, because, as you've said, John has never really gotten over Jessica or shown any romantic interest towards Carter. He surely has fun occasionally with Zoe, he probably had fun with Hollie, the stewardess, but I think he's too broken to consider a real relationship. Or maybe with some more time he'll heal, but I think Carter's death didn't help, generally speaking, his recovering capabilities to get attached to people, not to mention love someone.

For now I'll settle for the refund dynamics, I'm really looking forward to the next episode *_*
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The 'love interest' thing really seemed to come out of nowhere in that episode and made no sense.
The only reason I can think of for John becoming suddenly smitten would be seeing carter kicking ass and using '[his] rocket launcher'
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My interpretation (and many others, including Taraji Henson), is that it was not meant as a "love interest" thing, not romantic. Reese had always had a deep respect and admiration for Carter, and that was more of a thank you for all she had done for him. I don't know why people automatically assume it would mean romance.
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LOL, she really was majorly badass in that scene! But I agree with the general opinion that the kiss shouldn't be taken in a romantic way. It still remains quite awkward though.
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An interesting idea but I was fine with the scene just the way it was. I think part of the reason the scene worked so well is because the kiss wasn't even supposed to happen. It was something that Jim Caviezel did on the fly. That is why Carter's (Taraji Henson) reaction is so great, she wasn't expecting it at all. In that scene it showed her how John felt about her and what she means to him. I don't think first recognition should go to Finch, because while he did make an impact on getting John back into the game (so to speak) it was Carter who brought out the humanity in him (something he lost when Jessica died). Carter's dedication to her police work and her son showed him that everyone is not so bad - and there are good people out there trying to help others and make the world a better place.
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Taraji's reaction was great indeed, the scene was super intense and poignant. And I also agree that Carter is the one who gave John back his humanity (which, in my opinion, he had started to lose even before Jessica's death, i.e. when he started doing horrible things for the CIA and succumbed to Kara's ways).
What it felt a bit awkward and made me jump on my chair, was the choice of a kiss, which unfortunately has being read in a romantic way by many people, and not for the manifestation of deep affection that it was (or at least that's how I see that).

Also, Carter had all those characteristics you mentioned and she was pure, she was 100% good and she was the only one who hadn't screwed up in the past, she was THE example for John, but my only point is that I think all that came a bit later, because first Finch found him and gave him a purpose. That stopped him from committing suicide, what John receive from Carter happened later and it is even more precious, because she truly believed in him and that convinced John that after all he could be human again. We have the ultimate proof when they both are handcuffed in the back of Donnelly's car and she declares that he's a good person (and John is quite incredulous).

Or maybe I'm hugely underestimating the very first scene at the police station, when she offered to help him. But honestly, her offer was quite quick and then John started thanking Harold again and again, declaring around to Finch himself and to random irrelevants that Harold had saved him and given him a second chance, that I just assumed he was the first responsible for his salvation.

Also because Harold believed in John too, but it surely took him a while to give up to their friendship. But true enough he started to surrender before Carter, because at the time she was still trying to catch The Man in the Suit. The real turning point is Number Crunch, for both Finch's and Carter's roles in John's life, but I still think that in that moment Finch was still a step ahead of her. Point of views, I guess.

In the end, my honest, honest opinion is that the writers wanted, with reason, mind you, give Taraji the great farewell she deserved and they have stressed her importance to Reese a bit too much in that morgue scene, to the point I found it almost unfair to Finch's role.

Also I reckon, always in my humble opinion, that the final declaration of John would have more than sufficed to stress the above-mentioned importance: what's more than saying to a person that she's the one he would have liked to spend his last moments with? That was the best moment between them and maybe the "most human" moment of John Reese, because he told her she was the one he would have liked to die with. And who can blame him? She WAS his moral compass, she had spent her entire life believing in honesty, stronger than any other of them (John, Harold, Lionel etc.).

So, yeah, this is all this poll and discussion is about, basically I like to ramble about their introspection :D
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Heck No, The original the was best send off for the Careese fans, so I would leave it alone. It was perfect because they had so much chemistry. Besides Carter was the one who help Reese. She change him.
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No. Absolutely no. The light spectrum of no. Baskin & Robins 31 Flavours of no.

What makes Person of Interest, as a show, so unique, is that it is in the MORE THAN CAPABLE hands of the writers and directors, who CLEARLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

The sheer amount of suspense, drama, intrigue, chaos, action, drama, and hell - Even humour, is PERFECTLY mixed and balanced.

We, the viewers, have our opinions, as does whoever the hell 'shaol' the author of this 'article' - If you can call it that, is, but. at the end of the day, the powers that be have a vision and so far, that vision has exceeded everyones' (well, except for the so-called author of this piece and 27 others who have no idea what good tv is!) expectations, and continues to surprise EVERYONE, on a weekly basis.

The nay-sayers, sceptics, and disagreers (yes, I made that word up ESPECIALLY FOR THE AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE!!), can rant and rave, and carry on all they like, but the global (yes, tv.com isn't JUST USA) opinion of this show is that it is already beyond awesome, and as long as we the people have a voice, the author of this article will never get his way.

The end.
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Nothing can change the ending as aired. No one is arguing that. I LOVE this show, I think it's good tv but I would be interested to see how that scene played out as scripted. Jeez, get a grip!
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Whoa, that was very rude of you.

First of all, I think that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and the “so called article above” has the purpose to investigate on the opinion of every person who can take the time to answer the poll or write a comment. I don’t see why it shouldn’t be defined an article and, more important, why in the world the people who don’t agree with you, who can be 27 or 1000 or only 1, should be considered people who don’t know what good TV is.

If you had read all my previous comments on this community, you would have certainly seen that my passion for POI is enormous and that I highly admire every single person responsible for the creation of this show, as well as every single actor. But looking at your profile I can see you registered to simply reply to this article, with rude words no less.

I don’t usually judge so hastily when I don’t know about the background of people in general, writers or whoever they are, it would be nice if you do the same.

You have every right to express your opinion, just be more respectful, please.

And, BTW, the petition is about including an additional take of the same, abovementioned scene (which has probably been already filmed) among the extra feature of the DVD set, never asked absurdities like air another take or delete the original scene whatsoever.

And finally, the original question arose because that particular moment of 3x09 has been very controversial and I love to hear everybody’s opinion about it, nicely and civilly.
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Then why would you even consider the notion of a PETITION no less, to CHANGE WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SET IN STONE?

Your enigmatic reply only serves to prove my point: That you are unhappy with an element of the show and want it changed.

I never said you weren't a fan...Quite the opposite: Your commitment proves you are a true fan...My problem with your article and your reply, as well as Wuchel's reply, is that you are trying to recreate what is now Person of Interest Lore.

That simply cannot be abided by, regardless of the circumstances.
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Do you own Season 1 DVD box? There’s an extended pilot there with some changes, compared with the Pilot originally aired, including Finch giving Reese a home after his very first day of work and a longest dialogue between Carter and Reese at the Police Station (also some details more, that I can’t recall at the moment).

Now, I love every extra second of that special feature.

And yes, I’m not particularly happy about that kiss, or John’s speech before that, but, mind you, I’ve never hidden my opinion and certainly those aren’t the only things I don’t particularly like about POI.

But you might be right in the end, I might not obtain a thing with my humble article, but a truth still remains: we can ask, we can comment and, as long as we do it politely and respectfully we are very free to do so.

Also, I don’t see why we should accept every single thing they throw at us and not utter a word about it.

I’m nowhere near as creative as that TV team is, I’m NOT saying I would do a better job than them, because I’d be lying, I’m just telling that it has become a sure fact that the kiss wasn’t in the script and being the curious beast I am, I’m dying to see if they have more takes of the scene, with a different trend.

We can agree to disagree, this post wasn't meant to be the origin of a feud.
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Again, there is no demand of changing the episode, or the "set in stone" storyline. It's just a request of a bunch of "special feature nerds" to have the outtakes (because that's what the alternate scenes pretty much are) to be added to the DVD box set. No one will be forced to watch them. I just think seeing those scenes would give us a great insight into how the show is created, how the scenes evolve ... isn't that what special features are for?
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Ok, dude, this was really rude. Nobody here is questioning how the showrunners are writing and creating their show. Nobody wants the actual episode to be changed. This is about getting more additional cool stuff on the DVD box to look at.

Really, really rude ...
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No, not rude at all.

What the author is asking for, is, for the creators, writers, producers and directors of this show, as well as the cast and crew, to recreate their vision to accommodate a demanding fan.

There was nothing rude about it. The creators and people responsible for providing us PoI, are doing it their way.

END OF DISCUSSION.
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I don't see how anyone can be right or wrong on this subject. Either there are cool special features on the next DVD box set, or there are not. Nobody here is saying that there will be additional scenes.

I seem to remember reading an interview where Jonah said that they did several takes of the scene, experimenting - do those scenes exist? I don't know, but if they do? Well, I certainly would like to see them. Still, that wouldn't change the actual episode and I don't want it to be changed. The entire (and in my mind absolutely incredible) 3-episode- arch belongs into the POI universe just as it was aired - as the creators wanted it to be - and there is no changing that.

I concede that the "specifics" may have been formulated rather direct. No one knows if a scene with those specifics exists. Although, if it does, know one here is asking for it to be cut into the episode.

So, chill!
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No, the author is not asking for a re-creation. The author asks for the additional takes that were filmed that day to be included as a special feature in the DVD box set. Like outtakes, gag reel, etc.

"It's quite probable that they have more versions of that scene and it would be nice to see the one that follows the original script as additional feature in Season 3 DVD Box."

Nobody, except for the people who work on the show know how these various takes differ. Maybe they only differ in one aspect, maybe in more ... who knows? No one denies that it's a crucial scene ... so what is so bad about having the chance to actually take a look at the alternate takes?

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Like it or not, In the end, I am going to be right, and both you and the author of the article, will be wrong, because I promise you: There will be NO alternative endings to that 3-part-arc...It is EXACTLY how the creators wanted it to be.
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Gag reels are one thing, but how do you or the author of the article know that ANY alternative was shot?

So far, based on the DVDs of the previous series, evidence shows that there is only one way to watch PoI: As the creators want it to be!

And, for the record, to ask for the following (and this is a direct quote from the article!):

- John doesn't tell her that she was the one who saved him;

- the kiss doesn't happen (they share a hug instead, for example).

IS asking for a re-creation. There is no debating this.
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I'm glad to see you know better than myself what I'm "demanding" here. LOL
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Should I vote even if I have no plans to purchase the DVD ? :-)
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Oh well, I'd like to hear your opinion all the same ;)
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I support what you ask for. We don not need to change the original scene, it was great and they must have chosen it for a reason, but it would be interesting to see the other takes.
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Thanks! As I said, extra material is always welcome, isn't it? I'd personally love to have an entire DVD of extra features (gag reels, extra scenes and so on) :D
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Me too. That would be a nerd-dream come true ;)
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Yep, for they always are the reason to by the DVD/DVD box.
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I would really love to see an alternate version of that scene. It has been mentioned in more than one interview that it had been scripted differently and that several takes had been done and I'm curious to see the difference between the actually aired version and the ones that are closer to the scripted "just very good friends" version. Again, I want to stress that it is a petition about a SPECIAL FEATURE on the DVD box set, not for a re-write of the episode. As a reminder, 24 had an alternative ending to its first season, watchable as a special feature, so it can be done ... and why not?
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Thank you! I edited the post to make the point clearer, I hope it helps :)
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While TV productions rarely ever go back and shoot more content *after* the fact, you never know what else they did film in the moment. Love the creativity of this idea.
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Thank you, my point exactly! After all it would only been an extra feature of the DVD box, and personally I'm a sucker for those and I thought that asking for a particular one wouldn't be so bad. The more material we get the merrier I am! :D
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Kiss maybe but not the dialogue
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Nope-don't want to see a different scene! I can understand the different opinions on "the kiss" but not the dialogue of Reese telling Carter how important she is to him. Finch gave him a job. Carter gave him his heart and soul back. Just sounds like some bitter Finch fans to me.
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I understand your point of view, I'm really glad people are voting, I love to see the different reactions.

I don't feel bitter about it, I was just curious to know how the fandom feels about this particular aspect and I simply think John's declaration was a bit extreme.

But again, thank you for finding a moment to comment and vote, it means a lot to me! :)
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I like the original scene, but would be interested in seeing an alternare version
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