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Episode Discussion Thread: Ben Affleck/Kanye West (5/18/13)

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    jcav422

    [90]May 18, 2013
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    Save for Timberlake/ GaGa, the past few season finales have been weird and this was definitely the theme tonight. This finale reminded me of Baldwin/ Petty, bad use of a good host with such bland and weird original sketches. I am done with the porn girls, it was ok the first time only. Am I the only one who got a Baldwin Swim Awards sketch vibe from the Gay Camp sketch? The only thing I really liked was the film that ended Update. Kanye freaked me out and this was his second worst performance before his 08 one. His '10 one was actually enjoyable.


    This season started out with new and original ideas that were beaten to death by the second half of the season (Porn Girls, Maine Justice, Rude Employees, Regine, Last Call) in order to create new characters. In my opinion it was one of the worst seasons I've seen, not on 94-95 level but comparable to 09-10. Such an uneven season with Wiig just thrown in at the end. So many episodes felt like filler, with Vaughn and Levitt being the best examples of this. Here's my ranking of the whole season from best to worst.



    Timberlake


    Short/McCartney


    McCarthy/ Phoenix


    MacFarlane/ Ocean


    Applegate/ Passion


    Waltz/ Shakes


    Mars


    Galifianakis/ OMAM


    Wiig/ Weekend


    Foxx/Ne-Yo


    Hart/ Macklemore


    Hathaway/ Rihanna


    Levine/ Lamar


    Lawrence/ Lumineers


    Affleck/ West


    Levitt/ Mumford


    Bieber


    C.K./ Fun.


    Craig/ Muse


    Vaughn/ Miguel


    Renner/ Maroon 5


    Edited on 05/18/2013 10:17pm
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    thecomedianky

    [91]May 18, 2013
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    warqueen wrote:

    AS EMOTIONAL AS IT WAS FOR ME, STILL NOTHING COMPARED TO LAST SEASON'S FINALE SEND-OFF FOR KRISTEN WIIG.

    Or even Darrell's last show.
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    JustinRAn

    [92]May 18, 2013
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    So Fred, Bill, Seth and Jason are leaving that's almost a quarter of the cast.

    I'm surprised Goodman didn't appear in the Monologue.
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    JustinRAn

    [93]May 18, 2013
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    thecomedianky wrote:
    warqueen wrote:

    AS EMOTIONAL AS IT WAS FOR ME, STILL NOTHING COMPARED TO LAST SEASON'S FINALE SEND-OFF FOR KRISTEN WIIG.

    Or even Darrell's last show.


    Darrell's was the best. That sketch got me to love the song.
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    jcav422

    [94]May 18, 2013
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    This episode made Affleck's 08 stint golden
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    avmon

    [95]May 18, 2013
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    Loved most of the show especially the Gay-to-Straight Camp sketch and Amy Poehler's return to "Update"! Kanye West is an acquired taste I'll never acquire. Much preferred that song sung by Armisen at the end instead. Oh, and I love Ben Affleck's line about needing to appear in something worse than "Gylli" (or however that title is spelled)!
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    Royce7815

    [96]May 18, 2013
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    That was a very very nice send off to Stefon, even though i'm very certain we'll see him again.


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    warqueen

    [97]May 18, 2013
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    Royce7815 wrote:



    That was a very very nice send off to Stefon, even though i'm very certain we'll see him again.



    I Agree. We could see him for Seth's final episode just before Christmas, or when Seth's first episode as host of Late Night; may beeven on the season 39 premiere as a surprise swerve. Bill Hader said he is moving back to Los Angeles though.

    Edited on 05/18/2013 10:48pm
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    Royce7815

    [98]May 19, 2013
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    warqueen wrote:


    Royce7815 wrote:



    That was a very very nice send off to Stefon, even though i'm very certain we'll see him again.



    I Agree. We could see him for Seth's final episode just before Christmas, or when Seth's first episode as host of Late Night; may beeven on the season 39 premiere as a surprise swerve. Bill Hader said he is moving back to Los Angeles though.


    Yeah I could really see him do a little thing on Seth's first late night, like a pre-tape sketch or something. Sheesh, man it does not seem like that long ago I was googling SNL in News daily, to see if they were going to get a black woman in the new hires and we're at the Season Finale already. Time sure flies when you don't want it to.

    Edited on 05/18/2013 11:49pm
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    cross_mr

    [99]May 19, 2013
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    My favourites this year were Mars and Timberlake..
    there were a couple of other shows I enjoyed. Mcarthy was good. The porn girls are always pretty funny to me. Kanye was horrible, if he never sings again it'll be too soon. They should have killed his second song for the group song and tossed in another sketch or something.

    Affleck seemed to struggle a lot in this episode. Open was decent.. liked the camp sketch and stefon was brilliant..
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    Woodstein

    [100]May 19, 2013
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    It was an enjoyable season finale as far as I was concerned. The highlights were definitely the send-offs for Bill (I liked seeing all the weird characters Stefon had mentioned in his commentaries appearing at the wedding) and Fred, though I liked the funeral sketch too.

    Overall, Season 38 was a transitional season. For the past few years, the show has been trying to stave off having to pass the torch to a new cast, but here it became inevitable with many veteran cast members departing the previous year or at the end of the season. Although it was uneven, I liked it more than Years 35-37 because there wasn't as much of a reliance on recurring bits, and it displayed potential. Newer cast members such as Taran and Vanessa showed that they could carry a sketch, and even if a cast member didn't get much screen time, they impressed when they were given the chance.
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    JM5000

    [101]May 19, 2013
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    I think this finale sums up the season pretty well: Uneven, with a lot of jokes falling flat, but you could tell everyone was trying. This definitely was not the best season, but they at least tried new things as well as unexpected hosts (the premiere host being a fine example) along with quite a few hosts who haven't been on in years. The effort they put into making this season different is a lot more than can be said for Season 35, which was packed with recurring and otherwise predictable sketches as well as a few too many hosts that were "You know, that one person from that one show/movie that you may or may not have seen or heard of."


    The fact that Jeremy Renner is the only host this season that I can truly call a bad host is also a hopeful sign. Another good thing about this season was the musical guests, who almost all put their best effort into their performances (and, like the hosts, only one true dud in my opinion).



    So here is my final ranking of the hosts:


    21: Jeremy Renner


    20: Christina Applegate


    19: Adam Levine


    18: Justin Bieber


    17: Daniel Craig


    16: Vince Vaughn


    15: Seth MacFarlane


    14: Joseph Gordon-Levitt


    13: Ben Affleck


    12: Jennifer Lawrence


    11: Louis C.K.


    10: Jamie Foxx


    9: Christoph Waltz


    8: Kevin Hart


    7: Kristen Wiig


    6: Anne Hathaway


    5: Bruno Mars


    4: Zach Galifianakis


    3: Melissa McCarthy


    2: Martin Short


    1: Justin Timberlake



    And here is my final ranking of the musical guests:


    21: Passion Pit


    20: Justin Bieber


    19: Of Monsters and Men


    18: Kendrick Lamarr


    17: Frank Ocean


    16: Mumford & Sons


    15: Phoenix


    14: Fun.


    13: Rihanna


    12: Maroon 5


    11: Muse


    10: Vampire Weekend


    9: Paul McCartney


    8: The Lumineers


    7: Bruno Mars


    6: Ne-Yo


    5: Macklemore & Ryan Lewis


    4: Miguel


    3: Kanye West


    2: Justin Timberlake


    1: Alabama Shakes



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    TheDiamondDog

    [102]May 19, 2013
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    I was bored. Honestly, I just don't have the urge to watch it next season. I thought the episode didn't have much to offer, the skits weren't strong, and I was upset the only Bill character brought back was Stefan.


    My fav host this season was Timberlake. As for musical guest, fun., but I am also biased.


    I thought Kanye had an entertaining, though angry, performance.

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    Ruckhappy

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    TheDiamondDog wrote:
    ...I was upset the only Bill character brought back was Stefan.


    The lack of signature sketches for Bill and Fred seemed especially weird to me in light of the previous week's show. Wiig gets a finale show and they do a bunch of her sketches. Then she comes back to host and they do even more. Way too many. Next week it's Bill and Fred's goodbye show and...they do a bunch of original sketches? Of all the shows this year, pick this one to do mostly new material? Granted, both (and Seth) got a big, elaborate goodbye sketch, but they could have done at least a Vinnie Vedicci or Herb Welch as well. With Fred it's more difficult because many of his recurring pieces depend on departed cast.

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    JustinRAn

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    I think Lorne should have a rule that only 1 cast member can depart per episode. Most episodes don't work when It's Multiple cast departures.
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    Ruckhappy

    [105]May 20, 2013
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    JustinRAn wrote:
    I think Lorne should have a rule that only 1 cast member can depart per episode. Most episodes don't work when It's Multiple cast departures.


    That is so obviously impractical....


    That's one of the reasons why Lorne has always discouraged cast from taking a goodbye bow. And then along came Wiig, the exception to every rule in Lorne's book of how to run SNL. That lead to the humiliating display of Andy Samberg having to lie and say he hadn't made up his mind to leave--he obviously had--to explain why he didn't get a goodbye sketch, when he was promoting That's My Boy.

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    Woodstein

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    I thought "Lazy Sunday 2" was supposed to be Andy's send-off.
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    avmon

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    Ruckhappy wrote:

    JustinRAn wrote:
    I think Lorne should have a rule that only 1 cast member can depart per episode. Most episodes don't work when It's Multiple cast departures.


    That is so obviously impractical....


    That's one of the reasons why Lorne has always discouraged cast from taking a goodbye bow. And then along came Wiig, the exception to every rule in Lorne's book of how to run SNL. That lead to the humiliating display of Andy Samberg having to lie and say he hadn't made up his mind to leave--he obviously had--to explain why he didn't get a goodbye sketch, when he was promoting That's My Boy.

    Phil Hartman was the only previous cast member I remember getting such a big send-off...
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    TheDiamondDog

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    Woodstein wrote:
    I thought "Lazy Sunday 2" was supposed to be Andy's send-off.


    I thought the same.


    So, is Jason leaving after this season? Because he was really nowhere to be found.

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    Ruckhappy

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    Woodstein wrote:
    I thought "Lazy Sunday 2" was supposed to be Andy's send-off.


    It was, but Andy had to pretend it wasn't. He didn't get to take a farewell bow at home base like Kristen did. The whole subterfuge led to Andy going on, IIRC, Kimmel's show and saying, oh, I didn't decide to leave until a couple of weeks after the season, that's why I didn't take a bow. Which was such crap because he'd obviously staged and shot his goodbye Digital Short for the finale. Kimmel just smirked at him, knowing it was all bull.

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