Why did Scotty think Captian Kirk was alive?

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    ihatecowiche

    [1]Aug 22, 2007
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    I was watching The First star Trek movie today (Generations)

    Anyway Kirk, Scotty and the such are On The Enterprise B, They ship is damaged, and kirk is sucked out into space. So Scotty believes that kirk has been sucked out and died.

    But On the Television series when they rescue Scotty from that Dyson Sphere, The firs thing Scotty asks when he is rescued is "Captian Kirk must of brought the Enterprise out of retirement just to save me" (or somehting to that effect), but he should think Kirk is dead shouldn't he?

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    alex20020712

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    ihatecowiche wrote:
    I was watching The First star Trek movie today (Generations)


    The movie was made after the episode, and the writers did not care that much about continuity. They were more interested in killing Kirk.
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    rickyn2

    [3]Aug 28, 2007
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    He'd been in the transporter for a long time, so I guess his memory was a bit hazy!
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    pjhasham

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    rickyn2 wrote:
    He'd been in the transporter for a long time, so I guess his memory was a bit hazy!
    Exactly, I believe they said that he had something like 1% memory degradation. That was it.
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    alex20020712

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    pjhasham wrote:
    Exactly, I believe they said that he had something like 1% memory degradation. That was it.


    Please, if there had been *any* degradation to his pattern at all, he would have come out of the transporter as a monkey, or something else. DNA is extremely sensitive to any changes. Why would the pattern degradation affect only his memory? Makes no sense whatsoever.
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    sporkman5353

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    ihatecowiche wrote:

    I was watching The First star Trek movie today (Generations)

    Anyway Kirk, Scotty and the such are On The Enterprise B, They ship is damaged, and kirk is sucked out into space. So Scotty believes that kirk has been sucked out and died.

    But On the Television series when they rescue Scotty from that Dyson Sphere, The firs thing Scotty asks when he is rescued is "Captian Kirk must of brought the Enterprise out of retirement just to save me" (or somehting to that effect), but he should think Kirk is dead shouldn't he?

    Generations wasnt the 1st star trek movie, Anyway i think your question is explained in an issue of the star trek magazine (american edition)

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    belial_77

    [7]Sep 22, 2007
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    He was drunk.
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    belial_77 wrote:
    He was drunk.


    LOL. He was drinking Romulan Ale.
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    MattRker

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    Regardless of what we fans think of it the explanation has always pretty much been that his memory got degraded from being in the transporter buffer for 75 years. In reality it is a prime example of the wrriters not caring enough to better link the two stories up. I believe I read someplace that Brannon Braga was well aware of this at the time he wrote Scotty into Generations but he did it anyway.
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    scifinut99

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    thats braga for ya trying to ruin trek oh wait he almost did with his buddy berman
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    alex20020712 wrote:
    pjhasham wrote:
    Exactly, I believe they said that he had something like 1% memory degradation. That was it.
    Please, if there had been *any* degradation to his pattern at all, he would have come out of the transporter as a monkey, or something else. DNA is extremely sensitive to any changes. Why would the pattern degradation affect only his memory? Makes no sense whatsoever.

    Fairly sure they have a better understanding of DNA and such 400 years in the future as opposed to your anecdotal degree in biological science there. Any setence starting with "Please" pretty much means you never had anything to say objectively...

    Codeguru

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    Tronman100

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    Star Trek Genetics (and thus how DNA behaves, etc) doesn't exactly parallel real world genetics anyway (threshold, genesis for example), so trying to reason it out that way doesn't really hold up.
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    scifinut99

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    thats why its cience fiction they can do what ever they want
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    lennydonkey

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    To explain it in continuity I'm going with occam's razor on this one. Sometimes crazy old men say things that pop into their head. They don't always have to make sense.
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    belial_77

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    And he was drunk.
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    When he came out of the transporter? Brings whole new meaning to "bottled Scotch" eh?
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    SRP76

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    Continuity error in the movie. Why is that surprising? Every single movie from at least The Final Frontier onward made a conscious effort to crap on the established storylines.
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    pjhasham

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    SRP76 wrote:
    Continuity error in the movie. Why is that surprising? Every single movie from at least The Final Frontier onward made a conscious effort to crap on the established storylines.

    Even if it was a continuity error by the writers, what Beverley said still explains it. I guess the writers were just lucky.

    BTW, how did Star Trek 6 and First Contact crap on established storylines? (I'd add Nemesis to that list but there's no real point defending it here.

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    DarthUltima

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    It's simply just a plot error.

    Supposedly the parts were written for Bones and Spock, but the actors turned the roles down and the parts were then redone for Chekov and Scotty (thus creating the plot error). I don't know if thats true or not though.

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    locke-ness

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    It's a stupid continuity error thanks to the apt wirters/producers of the TNG movies. I like to chalk up to being an offhand comment by Scotty about the amazing abilities and loyalty of Kirk (death wouldn't stop him from helping his friends).
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