# Stargate Atlantis Forums

Syfy (ended 2009)

## Official Discussion Thread - Enemy at the Gate (possible spoilers)

• ### seto1

[81]Feb 11, 2009
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oh and i kinda like steroid hive lol
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• ### MajLorne

[82]Feb 11, 2009
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 pwells01 wrote: There are some discrepancies as to the total amount of energy in a full ZPM. The values I've seen range between a conservative 10^20 joules to 10^40 joules! Using 10^20 joules as the amount of energy available and the following assumptions: 700 GW power required arbitrarily (and generously) removing a factor of 1000 for inefficiencies of adapting ZPM to the Merlin device and to expand the effects over the entire Earth A full ZPM could power the device for about 40 hours. If you use any of the larger figures for total ZPM energy, then it could last for years or indefinitely!
Interesting values, that totally puts things into perspective.
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• ### MajLorne

[83]Feb 11, 2009
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 seto1 wrote: It would be very difficult to measure the yeild of a zpm since i dont think anyone has found a fully charged zpm but i have a problem understanding how a device that draws energy from sub space could have a limit to its power or am i wrong.
I guess the closest to a full ZPM was the one SG-1 found in ancient Egypt 5000 yrs ago. But yeah it would've been nice to know exactly how much power a ZPM equals.

As far as the ZPM goes, I guess you can think of it like a battery or a storage capsule that stores energy to a certain point. That's what i think, but I could be wrong.

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• ### seto1

[84]Feb 12, 2009
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I have always thought since the phrase "draws energy from subspace" is constanly used it thought they have some sort of recharging ability even though small amounts.If they were merely ancient battery equivalents that someone please explain the whole drawing power from subspace.I know this is all sci fi and as such alot of it cant be expected to make sense but this seems very stupid or am i making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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• ### Spinobreaker

[85]Feb 12, 2009
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they have a self contained section of sub space, its like a universe in a jar a guess is how id explain it, so it has a small and very limited amount of sub space energy that it can draw from, once it reaches 'maximum entropy' that ting universe in a bottle runs out of energy and dies, so that why its like a battery... i think thats how it basically works but i know its far more complicated
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• ### MajLorne

[86]Feb 12, 2009
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Yeah, because we know they found that ancient geothermal station on Lantea and can only use it to substitute power for the city, but there doesn't seem to be any way to 'recharge' a ZPM. Sadly energy can only be used from it rather than sent back into it.
Hem I hope Todd still has a few ZPM's left. I know probably doubtful, but would be nice to get maybe 2 more for future use.
Lol, maybe also try to get the ZPM from Season 1's 'Brotherhood' group.
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• ### zan4

[87]Feb 24, 2009
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they might be a way to recharge it but they never found it.... If they are able to put the univ subspace in a jar once why cant they do it again....
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• ### MajLorne

[88]Feb 24, 2009
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Only the ancients/replicators can do it. McKay being human, well he might accidentally blow up a whole solar system, lol. But I don't think humanity has advanced yet [even if given the blueprints] to create a ZPM yet.
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• ### seto1

[89]Feb 26, 2009
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Does anyone think that since this evloution has the benefits of the ancient techthey have the potential of being better than the ancients.
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• ### MajLorne

[90]Feb 27, 2009
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You mean when they turn into 'energy beings'?
Well yes and no. Yes being that knowledge from all who have ascended can be accessed by anyone. The no being that no one can keep the knowledge and return to human form without losing all knowledge and memories.
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• ### seto1

[91]Mar 2, 2009
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Actually i meant that starting off with such advance ancient tech this early in their evolution could they later down the line be able to develop mcuh more advance levels of tech and gadgets.
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• ### zzbeach

[92]Mar 15, 2009
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I think Atlantis and SG1 got a raw deal. Everybody here agrees that Enemy at the Gate should have been a two parter and Sci Fi channel should have held on to SG1 until the Ori situation was resolved. I just wonder why Sci Fi has given BSG a two hour series finale with plenty of time to prepare for the end with an entire day dedicated to the BSG finale. I realize that BSG is an NBC owned show but you'd think that the franchise that has carried the Sci Fi channel for so long would have gotten special consideration. Are you telling me that Sci Fi couldn't work out something with MGM to get Atlantis an extra hour of show time in and maybe an hour of behind the scenes material of cast and crew telling us of their fondest memories? Just imagine...an hour long Atlantis special with behind the scenes stuff and cast and crew interviews and then have Enemy at the Gate be a two hour series finale. Sounds like a no brainer to me.
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• ### MajLorne

[93]Mar 15, 2009
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Excellent points. Not to knock BSG or anything, but Sci-Fi can make special after specials [and re-air them] while SG-1 gets a few specials that don't air again.
And yeah SGA deserved a 2-hr finale or at least a 1.5 hr show and for syndication run it as 1hr. Totally crap that they 'rushed' this final episode. It's no wonder it isn't so highly rated even though it 'has everything', it's because everyone knows that they cut too much out and made what should've been a major threat into something that's easily solved without much effort.
Even everyone survived rather than having some die.
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• ### zzbeach

[94]Mar 16, 2009
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I don't understand Sci Fi's thinking. If a two hour series finale with a behind the scenes special is a ratings winner for BSG why wouldn't it be a winner for Atlantis? I can only conclude that Sci Fi and NBC will treat shows they do not own as red headed step children. I just wonder if other shows will take their ideas to other outlets. Sci Fi shows wrestling and Spike TV shows Star Wars. Just damn confusing.
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• ### MajLorne

[95]Mar 16, 2009
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I know right? Then again I guess Paramount or CBS owns Spike while NBC owns Sci-Fi. So while it would make sense the wrestling crap was on Spike and Star Wars on Sci-Fi, it's all about station's rights
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• ### seto1

[96]Mar 18, 2009
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Well what were you expecting.
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• ### MajLorne

[97]Mar 18, 2009
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Sci-fi shows on Sci-fi, not some wrestling crap even though it is scripted.
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• ### seto1

[98]Mar 19, 2009
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The only thing i see worse that the wrestling mess is the new reality show they have,my god what the hell is going on with scifi it use to be my favorite channel and i barly know it anymore.
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• ### MajLorne

[99]Mar 19, 2009
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Yeah, but I do like the anime stuff they air. Some of them have been great.
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• ### seto1

[100]Mar 19, 2009
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