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Supernatural S09E03: "I'm No Angel"

What could've easily been a cheesy mess of an episode somehow managed to be, well, a slightly-less-cheesy-than-feared non-mess of an episode. When the producers of Supernatural teased that there would be bathroom jokes for the recently humanized Castiel, I, um, I threw things. I might've sulked a little. I've never been a huge fan of Castiel as the "baby in a trench coat" because for goodness sake, he's a millennia-old celestial being who spent a lot of that time watching and smiting humans. Dude should not be incompetent, even without his wings. 

That said, our recent romp with the former angel featured a solid lineup of learning experiences that highlighted Castiel's blind spots and his struggle with the loss of his grace, while also being kind of hilarious. "Do you ever tire of urinating?" ALL THE TIME, CAS. ALL THE TIME. 


Also awesome: badass, angel-smiting Castiel. See? NOT A BABY. 

There was, however, some cheese. It happens. And it's okay. Castiel marveling that humans who have the least tend to be the most generous had me eye-rollin', and while I can see what Supernatural was trying to do in the scene with Castiel and the praying lady, I don't know that they fully succeeded. While the idea of Castiel losing his own faith and getting cynical about how heaven is run and how God has abandoned his creations has the potential to be one of Castiel's most promising storylines for the season, the scene in the church just felt kind of obligatory and trite. 


Calling himself "Clarence" (OMG MEG MISS YOU COME BACK), Castiel wandered the country avoiding bad angels and trying to make friends with good angels. He wised up and got an angel-warding tattoo that made him invisible to our latest potential Big Bad for Season Fiiiine, Bartholomew, forcing Bart to outsource the hunt to some freelancing reapers. How long 'til Bart and Abby are BFFs, do you think?

In a race to find Cas before the reapers did, Dean and Sam wandered around with Dean tuning Ezekiel's angel radio as though Sam was some sort of human multi-tool and Ezekiel getting increasingly creepy and weird. Can we talk about how he's acting like some kind of Dean-groupie stalker angel? From his "See Dean, I'm useful!" to his healing of Castiel just to turn around and tell Dean to kick the former-angelic third of Team Free Will to the curb while also dangling the everlasting Winchester trump card—Sam's safety—to really get his point across. I mean, Zeke has Dean in quite a pickle here. If he leaves, Sam dies (or so Zeke says), and if he leaves, ain't no one around to resurrect Castiel the next time he bangs a reaper and gets shanked with his own sword. Also, raise your hand if "angel sword" is the new euphemism of choice for guy-junk in your house. 


It's obvious that Ezekiel is growing increasingly at ease in Sam's skin, though, popping out for a chat mid-sentence, with Sam not even pausing. Jared Padalecki is so crazy-good to the point that we didn't even need the glowy blue eyes to figure out when Zeke was in control. Zeke also seems to have his own agenda in the works, but as for what that actual plan is, and why he's like ten seconds away from going all Annie Wilkes on Sam and Dean's asses, is still largely unknown. What are your theories? I was really hoping he wouldn't be a douche. At this point, I'm just crossing my fingers for "misunderstood and kind of unbalanced," because straight-up villains are so boring. Unless we're talking Lucifer. Are we talking Lucifer?


Soooo Cas made a friend, but she's dead now (way to tear one out of Sam's book, Clarence!). Dean soldiered on despite the severe Sammy whiplash that he (and we) all suffered this week. Kevin and Crowley were MIA, and Zeke is such a weirdo. Usually, this is the part of the season where we lose momentum until the mid-season finale, and I just spend the next two months sulking and binge-drinking and being bitter about things, but Supernatural is proving rather spry in its old age. Thanks, Viagra! Here's hoping next week's apparent case-o-the-week episode doesn't slam the brakes on this love-fest. See you then, darlings! 



NOTES FROM THE APOCALYPSE

– Lol @ how inept the angels actually are. I was half expecting the Benny Hill theme to play during that scene where Bartholomew's gang accidentally blew up their vessel. 

– Guys, if you have Twitter and you're not following Jared Padalecki, Osric Chau, and Misha Collins, you need to change that because they live-tweet and it's hilarious. <3

– No really, my fiance won't stop calling it an "angel sword." Plz send help. 

– "I do that." Dean on lying made me lol. Also Jensen Ackles' FACE. 

– "I read 'pie.' The rest is 'blah blah blah.'" 

– I like how every time Sam takes an interest in jogging, it freaks Dean out. Lesson? Morning people are secretly dead inside.

– I was kind of hoping that Castiel would notice Ezekiel hanging out in Sam's meat. Oh well.

– Return of Dean's dead guy robe! *save the batcave*

– SO NERVOUS, YOU GUYS. Castiel is cast out. Sam is completely oblivious about Zeke. Dean's starting to realize he made a mistake and can't do anything about it. I can't do this. I CAN'T DO THIS. Hold me. 


What did you think of "I'm No Angel"?


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AIRED ON 5/25/2016

Season 11 : Episode 23

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I feel like this review needs more photos, and with more photos, more *insert your own captions* with each photo. And yes, all the best pies have ingredients like blah for color, blah as a preservative, and blah for flavor.
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Well I theorize Cas isn't going anywhere because Sam will voice an objection and likely not drop the issue with Dean that Dean kicked his favorite person out. Zeke...what is dealio and now that I think about it why aren't the angels noticing him just checking on angel prescence near the Winchesters since the news of Cas' humaness is not known.

Dean...
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Zeke is totally bad. I think Sam's healed and 'ol Zeke just prefers his Padalecki meat suit. So mean to toss Cas out, I love it when they're all together. Way to dangle the carrot, show!
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I keep wondering how no one can tell that an angel is inside Sam.
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This was a great episode. Human Cas with needs is tragically hilarious.
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Cas finally had a sex scene on SPN! and no one talk bout it??!?!! I mean, sure was like 10secs but hes been on for like 6 seasons and its the first sex scene!!!!!!
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I thought this episode was really good. The scene where Dean told Cas that he had to leave was so sad! On a side note, I'd like to point out that I was at least half-right about what the big secret was going to be with Dean at the beginning of the season.... ツ
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This has probably been brought up already but I get the feeling there is something wrong with Ezekiel. He had probably already fallen before all the others. Because when Dean asked him if the group of angels was lead by Naomi he said he didn´t know that name. She basically ran heaven for a while. I would assume that if he had still been in heaven at the time he would have at least heard of her at some point.
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Indeed. Unless he specifically chose to lie.
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Poor Cas! That face was heartbreaking
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Oh, and did anyone else wonder how they killed the reapers? Are the angel blades all powerful weapons? Does that trump the previously stated cannon that you can't kill death (except with the scythe)?
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It's hard to state anything definitive here, other than point out the fact that the writers who penned this episode are guilty of completely messing up the Reapers' mythology and generally not having any clue. So for them angel blades could be Jedi swords, for all that it's worth.
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Why is Ezekiel in danger from the angels?Even Dean was surprised
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On a side note, I'm also becoming tired of this evil angel organization thing and angels acting like carbon copies of demons thing. It works if it's not being overdone, but guess what, it is being overdone.

I would like to see more shades of grey here, and sooner rather than later. It's hard enough to believe that Ezekiel would be the only decent (?) angel out there, and that all of them would be so blinded to run around with murderous intentions, stabbing first and asking questions later.
Give me some semi-good angel band or something to counter this growing trend of corruption everywhere one looks.
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Yeah I would figure there would be angels that are like Castiel when we first met him. He was basically an emotionless soilder and a high ranking one at that so I always expected the average angel to be like him but even more robotic because angels weren't used to free will just commands. Even when he was presented with the idea of doing what he wanted and what was right it took him a while to grasp the concept.
Later we meet another angel can't remember who just that they had looked up to Castiel because he was a whole game changer when it came to angels and free will. Ezekiel is like the first angel we've met that's similar to Cas because of lack of human contact. No one even knew they existed until Cas.
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I agree. Some bad Angels,,,ok. But this otherwise excellent show is portraying almost all Angels as being even more evil than demons and Heaven as being as bad or worse than Hell. It's getting old.
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Angels, Demons, Leviathans, some baddie in a suit - it's all getting old. :-( I'd have made Crowley semi-good (like he was when he was first introduced) and have him spend some time road-tripping with the guys. :-) Or I'd have let them close hell last season, heaven this season, purgatory or the source of all monster next season and then end the show on a happy ending (finally).
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It was passable, I suppose. I was neither thoroughly impressed, nor extremely disappointed. Considering that this episode was penned by the pair of writers I rather loathe, it's quite a feat all in itself.

I really feared that the "Castiel being human" card would be overused, the situation pushed to its limits. But luckily, it wasn't beat to death. There were many elements that worked (Cas learning about hunger, cold, the tiresome routine of urinating, or further exploring his sex life), and there was enough fun to be had in the process. Of course, there were also scenes that were so forced and cringe-worthy that I couldn't stop wincing all the way through (the conversation at the church or the time spent among the homeless). Way to overdo with the obvious, tired cliches.

I'm getting tired of Ezekiel in Sam's body already (Jared is doing a splendid job, however), and I honestly didn't think I would start feeling this way so quickly. But then I also didn't expect that the writers would try to shove him down our throats so much. In the previous episode it might've been somewhat justified, and it only happened once. This episode the angel resurfaced on four (!) different occasions. That's getting out of control rather fast, and feels like at least an 180 turnaround. Suddenly Dean and Sam are so helpless that they can't do anything without the assistance of a pocket angel?
It also didn't help that they decided to make Ezekiel dick enough to give Dean an ultimatum. Over Castiel, of all people (angels). Just what game is he playing...

And damn, does this pair of writers craps all over the mythology of the Reapers. I remember when they used to be these highly interesting, mysterious figures. Even in an otherwise horrible season 7 the unusually good episode dealing with Bobby's death ("Death's Door") featured a serious, ominous presence of a Reaper.
But since then things have only deteroriated in this regard. Season 8 had this ridiculous, silly version of a Taxi Driver Reaper that was all un-Reaper like and got killed off easily by Crowley (not to mention all the other laughable things), this season we go even further by making Reapers some bounty hunters/assassins that work pretty much the same as any random meatsuit angel/demon would. It's truly sad.

I'm also angry with the tired and true method of getting Castiel back into the picture only to promptly remove him from it. Now we get another artifical reason of why he can't stick around and be more of a regular presence. I would at least hope that Dean gets to tell him the true reasons behind his decision, but I bet it will only turn out to be another half-assed lie that doesn't make much sense.
On top of that we are apparently pretending that Kevin has mysteriously vanished and will only reappear once it's convenient. Along with Crowley. Or not.

I really liked Shannon Lucio's turn as April. Wish they didn't go for the yet another predictable possession and instead let her be the actual kind person she appeared to be at first.
At least we had Dean going on about pie! That's always bound to work.
The new Head Jerk angel Bart looks and acts the part. Might turn out to be an interesting adversary.
Also, MaryAnn! What about the SMART WINCHESTER SIGHTING? They spotted the Reaper trailing them and actually lured him in where they wanted him. That still happens too rarely.

All in all, the third offering is kind of a low for the season after two decent episodes. But it has the potential to once again improve once someone else gets to write.
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I totally considered using the reaper thing as a smart Winchester sighting! Also BADASS WINCHESTER SIGHTING.

Ugh. I'm so confused about the reaper stuff. I like to think that they're all just running amok and Death is gonna be PISSED when he finds out. #BRINGBACKTESSA


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I certainly wouldn't say no to some righteous smiting from Death. Got to keep your underlings in line.

And yes, Tessa... been a while. Back when Reapers still had their dignity.
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I am just still surviving from: I read Pie and the rest is blah blah blah lmao!!!
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I have my angel blade ! :)
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Ahhhh!!! I haven't been on here in a while but I LOVE the Wayward Sons name, that song still makes me cry every time I've heard it since it was on the show.
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I cannot think of a better theme song for Sam & Dean than that marvellous piece by Kansas. I've also loved it since I first heard it.
And indeed, the community's name could not be more fitting. Many shows' pages are so-so when it comes to fitting labels, but the Supernatural one is right on the money.
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aaawwww!!!! that look of total confusion and hurt on Cas's face!!! I can't take it, they cant hurt my baby like that!!!! >_<
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Just read an interview Mark Pellegrino gave. Said he would love to be back on SPN and reprise his role as Lucifer. He said even though nothing seems to be in the works right now, he thinks he will be back. Said he has a score to settle with Crowley and owes Crowley a butt kicking! lol I imagine he wouldn't be too pleased with Abadon, either.
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Excellent writers. I love this story line with Sam.
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Oh and Cas can never leave this show, he rocks!!
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"Castiel marveling that humans who have the least tend to be the most generous" actually had me shaking my head in agreement, guess I'm lover of alittle cheese. Well I'm thinking at this point that Ezekiel lounging in Sam's body isn't the same Ezekiel that Castiel knows....that's the only explanation I could think of in why he doesn't want Castiel around.
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I'm not sure why that's cheese. If we pretend for a moment that sociology is science, that's a scientifically proven truth.
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I was referring to the reveiwer's comment about the "rolleyes" and this eppy being alittle cheesy.
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I know. I think I reject her premise.
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I can understand Zeke wanting Cas to leave if he really is a danger, but I don't really see why Dean couldn't have just told Cas the reason he needs to leave. I mean, Cas seems to trust Zeke, and he cares about Sam, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem.
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That is really more than I need to know about your fiance's junk.
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TMI is my specialty.
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Why are the vessel-less angels hankering for a body? They can cause so much more damage without a people suit. Window shattering, eardrum bursting, terror. Pam's poor eyes, anybody?

The angels know only certain bloodlines can house them. Are they dying or something? They can't wait around until new vessels are born? They can't fall like Anna and become some infertile couples miracle baby?

This is like Abby last week forgetting she can read fucking minds and retain her red-headed meat suit. What the actual fuck?
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Yeah, agreeing with the vessel part. Castiel tried to appear talk to Dean a few times before he got a vessel. So they really would only need it to communicate to humans or other beings. Can't remember maybe it was Cas that said his true form he had the head of a lion lol.
And I'm not sure only certain bloodlines can house them is true. It's what I first thought when we had the premiere, but Bart stated that it's just some vessels are stronger and can sustain better than others. Which would explain why Hale wanted to posses Castiel because the vessel is very strong not necessarily of a bloodline that's special to her.
Also I loved seeing Abby last week, but agree they totally had her playing stupid and weak.
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I just don't know about the vessels anymore.I remember there being only certain bloodlines within humanity capable of holding angels. It would seem really asinine if those few candidates were further diluted by the fact that some 'potentials' would not be strong enough to contain the (lesser) angels at all. 'Potentials' that are non-religious and/or atheists or people not crazy about the idea of being possessed would cut down the numbers well enough. Ugh.

So many writers. So much tweaking and weakening of mythology just to make a plot point. Poor plot points at that! Follow your own established rules already and write around them!

Oh, it was Zachariah (I miss you, boo) that said he had something like, "I have three faces (or heads?), one of which is a lion!"
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All the valid questions. I'd like to say that we might get some satisfying answers down the line, but I'm not holding my breath with some of these writers. If anything, can probably expect more weird incosistencies and logical fallacies.
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First things first: I'm not a morning person. Just for the record. :)

So, the whole homeless-and-not-used-to-be-human Cass-situation was so sad. and then finally being found and rescued by his friends he got cast out. Almost cried about the look on his face.
Maybe Zeke wanted him to go, because he fears that Cass will find out about him and this would get in the way of a secret agenda? Whats the point in saving him, if Cass is a danger to all of them in Zeke's opinion? Does Cass got the point as he told "April" he could be the key to get back to heaven?
Dean's expression on his comment on him lying was hilarious. But how can he find stories for the things Zeke does, especially why he sends Cass away? Dean should at least explain to Cass why he has to go. Cass can keep the secret and wouldn't loose trust in his only friends. And give him one of the Wincesters credit cards for god sake - he's not an angel anymore and he can't get enough of human food!!!
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Pretty sure Cas is spelt C-a-s, granted is a nick name: open to interpretation. But still...um...yeah
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Lol, Cas vs. Cass. The show denotes him as Cass, but the fandom ran with Cas long before they got their shit together. So you both are correct.

I'm #TeamCas though.
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OMG - the look on Cas' face there at the end!
The puppydog, finally reunited with papa, only to be kicked to the curb again.
*puts on little boy voice*
"Dean? Do I HAVE to leave? I only just got here - and it's cold outside... *sniffles* Oh well, if you want me to leave, I will..."
I weeeeep for our little angel lost.
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I think the live tweeting is a CW thing. Or maybe they have to? The cast of Once does it too...Or maybe it's just fun for them! :)
...But they probably have to.
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ABC Family also has a strong Twitter presence. We'll see more writers, actors, execs live tweeting now that Nielsen twitter rankings are out.

It's not mandatory for everyone involved though. Chad Kennedy from WB closed his Twitter account after all the hate he got from part of the fandom. Don't chase them away people! It's interesting to read what the writers and actors have to say about the show.
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The angel did not accidentally blow up his(or her) vessel. The vessel wasn't strong enough to contain an angel. Not all humans are meant to be vessels.
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My concept of the One True Vessel (OTP) may be flawed (only pertaining to Mike and Luci, perhaps), but I thought it was stated (in a previous season) that there are specific bloodlines within humanity that can hold angels and not just anybody that is willing.

Bartholomew (I won't call him Bart, he isn't a friend) didn't seem surprised Willing Church Girl was gonna meet an explosive end. He was like, "OooKay..." while smirking and taking a seat. He didn't bother to explain that only a few choosen ones would do, he doesn't care about humanity so he probably gets a kick out of blowing a few million up, and the vessel-less angels seem desperate to be corporeal for whatever reason.
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I agree.
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whoops! OTV not OTP. My OTP on this show is Dean/Impala
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The scene in the church really bugged me too. Mostly because the situations of Castiel and the woman in the church are so vastly different, that trying to draw parallels between them seems redundant and a bit of an overreach. Castiel's faith is nothing like a human's faith, because he's had the inside track, he knows all the tricks and he knows which parts of faith are true and which are not. His own faith in an absent God has also been played out on the show before, and I can't see that his being human now should change his faith or his knowledge of all things heaven/hell. Seeing him come to terms with his faith from the new perspective of de-Angeled human would be a better path to go down than trying to make him like everyone else (because he is not).
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I'm not sure it's so much about HIS faith, as to remind us that not ALL human faith is "bad" - i.e. the faith we see surrounding Mr. Televangelist douchebag is BAD, because it leaves humans as blind sheep, going willingly to slaughter.
The woman in the church has her own, personal, quiet faith that supports her in a difficult time - and that doesn't have to be a bad thing.
Seriously, the way this show portrays god and the angels, they kind of have to provide SOME measure of "balance" to keep us from wanting to flush ALL things religious down the drain.
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I understand your point, but I feel like Castiel may have been the wrong person to put this across, and the conversation itself was actually pretty ham-fisted...
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THAT I agree with absolutely!
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I didn't really care for this episode. I thought it was slow, a bit boring, and kind of a rehash of season 6 now with the introduction of Bartholomew. I am fully on board with Abaddon being the Big Bad, but having a random pissed off angel assuming control of the fallen angelic army just seems like the writers are attemptng to do everything with him that they couldn't do with Raphael. And compared to a Hell Knight, Bart seems really underwhelming. I'm hoping Bart gets killed soon and the series can focus on Abby, and I'll be really pissed if the two of them join forces to try to kill Cas, cause that's EXACTLY what Crowley and Raph did at the end of season 6.

I don't think Zeke is evil or will become full-fledged evil, but I do think he's selfish and wants to keep Sam all to himself. Dean has seen Cas die more than once. In season 7, after the Leviathans "killed" Cas, Dean was sad, sure, but he was focused on Sam and other tasks at hand. Cas getting killed wouldn't affect Dean as much as Sam's death would, but Zeke made the decision of reviving Cas without being asked to, in my opinion knowing full well doing so would weaken his angelic battery life, possibly undo much of the healing he did to Sam, and allowing him to stay in Sam longer with less healing ability. Remember, Sam was originally meant to house Lucifer, so to a regular angel his body is a palace.

I miss Meg too, but I'm ok with her being dead. Her dad and dad's boss were both defeated, so she really served no purpose after season 5.

And AGAIN the reapers can be seen with no one dying or sick, and now they can apparently possess people and die exactly like angels? Why are you changing how Reapers work every episode? For 7 seasons it's been always "Reapers work under Death to bring souls of the dead to the afterlife. They cannot be seen by healthy humans, only those who are dead or near death. A Reaper can only be killed by Death's Scythe." The Coyote Reaper was the first deviation away from the show's rules, but now there were TWO Reapers this episode who acted exactly like angels and one of them actually had sex with Cas! I miss the monstrous Old Man Reaper from the First Season... and Tessa.

All in all, I'd rather see Abby and New Hell take on Bart and his Disgruntled Angel Army.
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Notice that this terrible new take on the Reapers is being done by a certain duo of writers - Brad Buckner and Eugene Ross-Leming. And it's hardly their only offense when it comes to butchering the mythology of the show. I just don't understand why the rest of the still remaining old team allows new comers to take such far-fetched liberties.
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so instead of coming clean to cas and telling him that zeke is possessing sam,dean chose to lie to both sam and cas.and kick cas from the batcave,I mean he trusted freaking zeke over cas??And he expects cas to be always there for him and save both him and sam and when cas needs him he kicks him out?? I get that dean's main priority is sam but he could have been honest with cas about everything, why the lies??
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Zeke basically threatened him. Either Cas leaves, or he does and Sam dies.
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When it comes to Dean, the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" applies. He wanted to save his brother. Now, look at the mess that made. Demons are still around, angels want his best friend dead, and his brother is possessed by a mysterious and injured angel.
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Castiel also totally stole Sammy’s puppy dog eyes in this one.And really want woman in today’s day and age takes a homeless guy home with her!As soon as she did I knew she would be dead, she was either evil or would get killed by an angel trying to capture him.

Zeke is definitely up to something.He goes from “I am healing your brother, he is feeling better.” To “If I leave your brother will die.”I honestly believe Helo, I mean Zeke went into this just wanting to help.But now he has gotten a little comfortable in Sam’s skin.He has a purpose again, and angels love to have purpose.He has companionship from Dean so he is not out there alone like the other angels.And has a protected hiding place.

I’m not surprised he didn’t want to share his nice safe bunker with Cas, who is a magnet for angel vengeance.But I’m a little ticked at my boy Dean for not telling Cas what is up.I just could not bare the look of heartbreak on his face when he was told he couldn’t stay.

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Casssss!!!!!!! The whole human experience is fun, but I want him to get his grace back already. And don't the other angels have something better to do than chase him around? Find out how to open heaven people!!! Bartholomew seems to have potential.
It's nice to see Sam being all better, but Ezekiel is starting to become more and more weird. And indeed, how can we trust him when saying that Sam needs more healing?
"I lie. I do that" Jensen's face!!!
Jensen and Jared's faces when Cass told them about April!!! The Angel Blade!!!

And these guys have seriously ruined my Wednesday night sleep!!! Their live tweeting is so so hilarious that it is totally worth it staying till 3 to see it live!!!


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I loved all of it! Well, most of it. I will admit I had a moment of "Oh no, why?" when Cas and the reaper went at it - because what girl in her right mind brings home a guy she finds hanging out behind her restaurant, eating out of the trash, and then sleeps with him AFTER he says he stabbed someone? Not me, that's for sure. Anyway, they quickly fixed this (thank goodness because if there hadn't been a reason, I was going to be very confused).

I know Dean isn't doing much, but I really like the part he's playing this season. Everything is so different, but he's still the same hunter (you know, mostly). Samzekiel, human Cas, world full of angry angels... And Dean still just wants pie, his brother, and cases to solve. He's our constant. And I like it.

And I really do hope Ezekiel is actually Lucifer. Or is working for Lucifer. Or something. Because I miss Luci.
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Man, I seriously wanted April (?) to surprise me. I mean, a corporeal Reaper who was attracted to a human and engaging in intercourse before performing a paid hit, was surprising, if not at all interesting. I had vehemently hoped she would have just turned out to be a run or the mill nasty dirty freak. Just your ordinary modern woman, picking up homeless men, and taking them back to her place to have unprotected sex. As you do.

I expected more (not really) from the "dogfucker" writers.
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Okay then. :) I just wonder if having sex with a Reaper is like the ultimate act of Necrophilla or something. :)
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Oh lord, you just took it to a whole notha' level of not right-ness, lol.

Did the Reaper kill April BEFORE HER TIME just to happenstance run across Cas to take his pesky virginity via necrophiliac booty call before killing him? Nevermind. The more you look at the episode the more WTF it becomes.

They just really, really wanted to use that lame angel blade joke. Logic be damned.

Imma console myself with the thought that as long as somebody's in the house it's not technically a corspe.
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Sorry about that, just couldn't help myself. :) I was really thinking about it more along the lines of Reapers being the ultimate representation of death and not so much the people they're possessing being dead. Come to think of it, it would make sense if the only people they could possess where dead people. Hummmmm.... Anyway, I remember the same thing being said when Sam was knocking boots with Ruby since her meat suit was dead before she took it over. :)

Well, they've been expanding what the angel blades work on for awhile now. I seem to recall them at least hoping it would work on Hellhounds way back in season 5 and I think we saw it work on demons or something since then. I always assumed they worked on angels because they specially made to work on angles but apparently it's a power level thing in that they will kill anything from angels on down (or archangels on down if it was a blade that was being used by archangels). It's just too bad they didn't have an archangel blade back when Lucifer was in Nick then maybe they could have just killed him out right. :)
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I don't know. What would they do with Lucifer that they haven't already done? He was pretty much all about having it out with Micheal and all that and that subject is over and done with so what would be the point in bringing him back? You can't just bring a character back just to bring them back you have to have something new for them add to the story or it's just fan service.
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I would be truly surprised if Zeke turned out to be Luci, because the SPN!Armageddon verse was the BEST IDEA EVAR and we can't have good ideas on this show! OK, I kidd. A bit. If Zeke is Luci, I could see him just being desperate to stay out of confinement, eff prophecy, he just wants to be free and feel brotherly love.

I made myself sad with that, lol.
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I liked this episode a lot. It has been a long time since we have seen Castiel. Castiel may have lost his angel's grace but in this episode he found grace from the humans he encountered who shared what they had and believed that someone was listening. It was the Angels and Reapers who were grace less and very un-angel like.
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Good episode. I loved seeing Castiel deal with being human. We have seen bits and pieces here and there, but he usually still had some kind of angel power or was cured pretty quickly. Now that he is full blown human, and has to deal with things like food, urination, sleep and sex, it will be interesting to see how he handles everything. He is obviously still wet behind the ears, but he is learning. I had a feeling that the chick he had sex with was an angel, but at least he got some. :) Loved Dean and Sam's reaction when they found out.

I am still trying to figure out what Ezekial is up to. Not sure if he is good or bad. I think it would be refreshing if he actually was good and wanted to help Dean and Sam, but that is usally not the way it goes. I do understand why he told Dean that Castiel needed to leave the bunker - it definitely wouldn't be safe for him, or anyone else for that matter if the Angels found out where he was. I just hate that Dean had kick him out, especially since Castiel was so happy to be with them and eating burritos, but Dean will ALWAYS pick Sam over anyone else. ALWAYS.

I wonder how long Dean is going to be able to continue the charade with Sam and Ezekial. How many times is Sam gonna believe that he bumped his head? Will Dean slip up or will he just admit the truth to Sam? How will Sam react? I don't want this to be dragged out for too long.

Bartholomew (Bart) will be an interesting Big Bad. I like how he is assembling the Angels to go after Castiel, and using the TV preacher to reach out to people to be vessels is brilliant. I can't wait to see what else he has up his sleeve for the season.
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Yeah, I hated the scene at the end where he's kicking poor Cas to the curb to fend for himself. I don't see the whole thing with Sam being able to last much longer. Sam's not stupid the lost time and Dean mentioning things (from Sam's POV) out of the blue he's going to figure out that something is up. He might not jump right to angel possession but he's going to know something is up. I'm also not sure there won't come a point where he up and leaves (either of his own accord or because the angel inside him takes control and leaves). Don't know what Cas is going to do but surely he's being kicked out without any kind of logical explination is going raise some red flags of his own.
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I definitely agree. Dean can only come up with excuses for so long before Sam (and everyone else) begins to question what is really going on.
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I haven't watched. I just want to comment on the epic-ness of that shot of Sam and the hair.
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Funny how watching this right after SHIELD, I was like "No, Cas...don't trust her. She's an evil doctor!" Then she died twice in one night.

Even if she wasn't an evil angel (though it seems some angels aren't fully EVIL as much as blame Castiel for messing things up) she made Cas happy, and if you're happy on SPN, SOMEONE. HAS. TO. DIE.

Bart reminds me of a blonde, angelic Agent Smith. That sort of clipped speech and slightly off mannerisms. I like it. May be the first time Bart's had a meat suit and he's getting used to it.

I do like the sort of philosophical track this season seems to be on. Dean praying in a church, Castiel losing his faith...I'm not a church goer, but I find the question of what faith is to be fascinating and I've waited for SPN to really forge ahead into that topic within the confines of its world.

One point to demons: at least most of them are pretty up-front that they'll likely kill you, probably horribly, even if you get something out of it short-term. Angels are way more dickish on that count.
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Yisssss, angelic Agent Smith! Now, if only Cas could tranform into Neo this season.
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OH MY GOD IT WAS SO HORRIBLE when Dean told Cas he had to go. Like, whut. I can't even. Even though I understood it was really on Zeke, I kind of hated Dean a little in that moment. Like, at least get Cas some help, you know? Like get him in touch with Garth, who can maybe hook him up with a semi-safe place? And please tell me they at least gave him some money and clothes and and a cell phone before tossing him to the curb, so dude doesn't have to go back to being homeless? Like, come on. That was just awful.

Yeah, I also want to like Zeke and for him to not be straight-up evil, and but man, that was just a douche move, even if he was telling the truth which, hmm, who knows at this point.

I liked the 'trite" scenes in the church and such, but I guess I am a little cheesy like that myself, so.

Oh, and was I the only one bothered by the angel possessing that girl like a demon? Like, with the white light/smoke going into her mouth? I'm pretty sure when we saw Cas possess Jimmy in the flashback in Season 4, he was just engulfed in a white light.

And, I'm pretty sure they've changed a lot of the rules on reapers, which I was pretty sure functioned a lot like ghosts, in that they should be invisible except to dead people, and I didn't really think you could cut on them like any other demon or angel. Look, I can usually forgive a little retconning, but doing it just because you're lazy and wanting to make it easier to plot your story bugs me. And Supernatural has become awful free with the retconning in the past couple of seasons.
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These retcons make me truly sad. They are not interesting, nor inventive, and only detract from the story rather than add to it. What is worse, there is not even any justification for this other than sheer ignorance. For a show with such a rich and stored mythology as Supernatural it's truly disappointing. Instead of taking from it and building upon the existing foundations, they attempt to alter.
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The rules went out the window a long time ago so it's not surprising really that we're finally seeing more of the fall out from that. What is suprising is that they didn't do it sooner since they started, in season 6, telling us the rules where no longer in place.
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There certainly was some sort of smoke stuff happening there. It wasn't the usual thing with light. I think that if there is an explanation it's simply that without wings the possession isn't as clean. Or something like that.

And speaking of retconning, is it really the case that someone can expel an angel at any time? Because then why didn't Sam expel Lucifer the moment their original plan didn't work? Did Ezekiel say something about him being weak and therefore capable of being expelled at any moment? Was there a reason given for that? Or is this just another change?
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As I recall he said, because of his weakened state, Sam could expel him at any time. I don't think you can just do it under normal conditions but these are far from normal conditions.
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Well, I didn't see the actual possession moment but if it was smoke that might mean there's something fishy going on as yeah angels are useally shown as light so yeah that's weird.

I don't know if they've changed the rules on Reapers so much as are expanding them. In the past only people the Reapers were coming for could see them (as well as those already dead or dying, which kind of overlaps I guess). Still, the way this Reaper was tracking them he may have assumed a human form of some kind or something and in the past they didn't have those angel blades to try on Reapers so that's not really a change so much as something new.
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It wasn't exactly smoke, I don't think - I'd have to watch it again - but I think it was more like light than smoke. It was definitely white and not black. But it was the going in through the mouth thing that struck me as odd. I'm pretty sure that's not how we've seen it before, and, well, I just didn't like it. I know angels can be pretty douchey on this show, but they're not meant to be inherently evil like demons, and the whole mouth thing just comes of as creepy and evil to me.
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My attention was called away for that moment so I didn't see the effect in question but it does sound odd. Perhaps a visual cue to some of the Earthbound Angels being a courrpted by their new surrounds or situation perhaps?
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I feel sorry for Sam...he's just a "tool" right now...and Zeke is playing a jelousy b*tch now...?WTF
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Great episode. Castiel is all growed up. Weird first time. It feels like the last two seasons never happened.
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my eyes still hurt from sobbing
i'm so confused about ezekiel like why bring cas back just to have dean cast him out? ugh did you see cas' face when dean told him he couldn't stay, that's the worst
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I wonder if maybe he's not really more afraid that Cas will catch on to what's going on with Sam and spill the beans. The bunker is supposed to be magically protected (at least that was the impression I got when the guy gave Sam the key and told him to throw it inside and lock the place up). Maybe he's on the level but this is certainly making him look bad. Then again, I remember when Cas first showed up he did things that were kind of sketchy and he turned out alright.
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He saved Cas because he still needs Dean's trust. And Zeke might suspect that returning Cas's grace would be key to getting the angels back to Heaven.
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Hiding from Angels is one thing... he probably felt that they could keep him hidden in the bunker.

But mid-adventure they learned that the Angels were hiring Reapers, which they probably couldn't do anything about. So once they saved him from the Reaper, Zeke probably said "Well, that's great and all but now we can't keep him safe... and they will come after us with an army... so send him away"
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Great episode overall. Really glad we're done with the awfulness that was season 6 & 7. Only complaint, if Zeke was just going to have Dean kick Cas out, why bother bringing him back to life? Zeke most definitely has his own motives beyond just healing Sam, so he probably needs Cas alive, but isn't he as good as dead out there anyway? Real reason? The budget can't afford to pay for Misha Collins every episode.

Oh, and Zeke can take control of Sam whenever he wants now? Even though if Sam knows about Zeke he'll immediately dispel him? At least Dean's fast with the horrible lies...
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Season 6 was miles ahead of season 8 (not to mention 7) when it comes to most aspects, and it's too early to judge the current season yet. In any case, I suggest rewatching without the biased "everything that comes right after magnificient season 5 ought to suck" attitude.
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Yeah, I remember people having that attitude even before season six was written or filmed or anything. It was being attacked just for being talked about which is totally unfair. I mean if you actually went into it with an open mind and still didn't like it based on what you saw and experienced then fine but to have an attitude like that before anything was even done is just irrational. It's like the backlash over Affleck being cast as Batman. At that point the script was even finished and nothing was even filmed yet and you had reactionaries already declaring it a bomb and taking bets on how bad it was going to be. You can't have that kind of attitude based on nothing it's just mental. My only issue with season six was that they didn't ditch Lisa and Ben quick enough (we all knew it was going to happen so why string up along with this 'Dean's not coming back' non-sense) and that when they finally did get rid of them it didn't make a lick of sense (how does erasing their memory of Dean make them safe when Crowley still knows about them and Dean would still come running to save them if they were in trouble). It would have been better to kill them off or erase everyone's memory of them (if possible) then they would have been safe. Other than that I liked season six.
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Well, if that was the case there are other ways to deal with Cas not being in every episode other than having him leave the bunker. Most of the time the episodes spend very little time there anyway as Sam and Dean are out working a job the bulk of the episode so Cas could always be off sleeping or something. There's a plot reason that Zeke made Dean get rid of him.

Yeah, I'm sure he could always take control whenever he wants, it just increases the odds of Sam finding out and yeah you would think a life time liar like Dean could do better than that, still given what he has to work with.

In any case if Zeke keeps popping in the lost time and disjoined converastions with Dean are going to tip Sam off that something is going on sooner or later. At very least Zeke could let Dean know he's turning control over to Sam so he could try and cover by returning to the same position he was in when Sam went out and picking up their conversations where they left off.
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I'm sure Zeke has an agenda..but it did seem as if he had a moral dilema when deciding whether to save Cas.. like he knows Cas royally dicked things up for all the angels, but maybe felt bad because he knows Cas is fragile, lost, and in his heart of hearts thought he was doing the right thing working with Metatron.. I think Zeke is not evil, he may be weird, and have an agenda, but I don't truly believe he's there to put the screws to Winchester and Co.
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"I lied. I do that." Jensen played that whole scene well.
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That moment was really well done. It summed up his headspace and feelings on his own actions.
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Agreed. I love how he's spinning wheels on this.
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How protective is Batcave?? So far,Winchesters are coming and going as they please and also invite anyone,who they want. I know,they have some key,so that is their magic pass I guess,but I wanna know,what kind of protection and warding it has...and against WHO !!! Demon/King of Hell can come inside,angel can come inside,prophet(who one would think no big deal,only that every angel and demon would like to get him.Does Ezekiel know that Kevin is also there?).
This rant aside,it was an awsome episode and I loved it was focused on Cas. Ezekiel taking over Sam is also funny and done great.
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I guess Abby time traveled just to acquire the magic key to the batcave which means even she can enter.. worst case scenario
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Uh. but she doesn't HAVE the key does she? You gotta acutally have and use the key to get in.
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But she knows that Dean and Sam have it?Doesn't she
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Well Kevin had the key (Dean gave it to him). They brought everyone else themselves (as I recall). I don't think anyone (or thing) ever just popped up in the middle of the room out of the blue as they sometimes do. I recall the old man who gave Sam the key told him to throw it inside and lock the place up so I would assume if everything is locked down the key is the only way in or out. I don't know if they would have thought about angel proofing since they hadn't been around in a long, long time but they DID have an angle feather for grandpa Winchester's spell so maybe they would have warded against them as well. In an absence of any specifics I would say we gotta take their word from it if they say it's safe.
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I know,that they brought Crowley in,Sam/Ezekiel is always with Dean,so either has to have key and how Kevin got there,but I still wonder...if Cas has to leave,because of Reapers,why doesn't someone just hire Reaper to find Kevin? Cas is as much human as Kevin is now,so if they can do it to find Cas,then it also has to apply to Kevin...and Dean. Sam maybe gets a pass,because Ezekiel possessed him.
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Is anybody actually wanting to find Kevin right now? The only one who had any real intrest in him was Crowley and he's a little tied up right now.
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Dean really was in a tough spot but I can't blame his decision, OR Zeke's reasoning (even if there's probably more going on than we know).

Zeke was right... they might be protected from Angels FINDING them in the bunker, but death goes *everywhere*. So warding against incorporeal reaper spies might be nearly impossible.

Meanwhile Bart's army REALLY wants Cas. If they even THINK Cas is there they'll send many Angels to get them... and 3 humans and a weakened Zeke would have no chance against that.

On top of that, Bart played the brother-death card. He wasn't staying to get slaughtered, and if he left Sam would die.
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Yeah, it now seems that Ezekiel is running from the angels for mysterious reasons as well, and not only cuz of castiel... and furthermore, helping Sam is not only for altruistic reasons... It was hinted at through Dean and Zeke's final convo.
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Noooo Dean you cold-hearted bastard! I know Sam always comes first but seriously? It's Cass! Good thing Kevin wasn't around because he would have seen Crowley's advice made true, that's what the Winchesters do with the extended family when they're no longer useful. I really hope Dean's explained the whole Zeke situation to Cass and they would be plotting in the distance.
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My heart broke when Dean told Cass that he can't stay. ^ :(
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This is going to be a bit long, sorry.

I've sort of reconciled my ideas about the reapers from last night's episode. The reapers we've seen before have been doing their jobs and are therefore invisible, no forms, etc. The first reaper was being controlled by dark magic but was still functioning on those basic rules. The Taxi Driver would have been "rogue," allowing people skip through Hell. April was also a rogue "for-hire" reaper, hence the visible meatsuit. Maybe it's never really been acknowledged before because Naomi wasn't for that kind of thing but now Bart's throwing out her rulebook? We can figure these lines will get messy with the angels all on Earth.

Now that Cas is human, I would really like to see Sam and Dean become competent hunters again. In the early seasons they were able to figure out almost any mess on their own. They're dealing with bigger problems now but they relied heavily on Cas and Bobby to help them. I hope they don't end up farming research out to Kevin. That was always Sam's gig. I realize they've done this in the last few episodes to give Ezekiel a showcase but even then Sam has not been at his best for years. I can forgive his numerous brain scrambles for a lot of that, but there was awhile that he was even a better hunter than Dean (Bobby said as much). Now he's the guy who gets knocked out, tied down and wonders how Dean managed to take out three demons on his own. (That said, Jared falls down well.) Nine years later and they should both be able to function on higher levels of badassery.

Last point: Ezekiel doesn't want Cas around not because he's afraid the angels will find them. He's afraid that Cas will figure out who he is. That said, I have my own theories about who Ezekiel is (a bit early to throw out there) but what has he done that he would be worried about the angels finding him?

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These writers should be grateful that people like you are still willing to find explanations for the apparent mess-up with the Reapers. Some that they could even incorporate. But personally, I remain unconvinced. I'd like to believe that there is a greater plan at work and it's not just all horrible retconning and mythology butchering, but I've seen too much bad writing from this couple to be able to pretend otherwise.

And yes, please, Sam and Dean remembering how to survive just on their own is something I've been longing to see again for ages. There's been so many deus ex machina plots over the past few seasons that I almost forgot how it's like when the brothers don't need anyone or anything to save their asses.
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I like big stories with big mythologies, so that's one reason why I'm willing to go with it. Part of the fun for me of liking a show like this one is the ability to ride along with the writers as we go, and it gets my brain turning in ways a sitcom can't--even though, I admit, it does not always make sense.
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Interesting to see how quickly Ezekiel was willing to use Sam as a hostage against Dean. He told Dean that Cas had to go or he would let Sam die. On the other hand, he did bring Cas back. He doesn't want Cas in the Batcave because bad angels and/or reapers will track him there. So whats to stop them from following Dean and Sam to the Batcave? I don't think the Batcave will survive the season. I hope I'm wrong.
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Great episode this week. Sure it broke my heart, but it wouldn't be Supernatural if it didn't. I'm still a little concerned about Ezekiel but weren't we all when Cas first showed up as this suspiciously all-powerful being with a motive we couldn't predict? I'm giving Zeke the benefit of the doubt. Considering how many people are trying to find and kill Cas along with anyone who's helping him, I can see why Zeke would find it unwise to keep Cas away from the place. After all, if they do find Cas they will kill Zeke for protecting him and then there's no one to protect the Winchesters from the angel batallion that will sure to be sent. They couldn't even handle three demons without Zeke the last time. And as for the ultimatum, I get why that turned out the way it did. The whole show is about Sam and Dean's relationship and it has been from the moment John told Dean to take Sam and run in the Pilot. Dean would not risk Zeke's life if it meant his brother could die. All Zeke asked was for Cas to not stay in the bunker. It's a good trade. Now they can decide on a place to keep Cas safe, fed and clothed and they can give him a cell to contact them.
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