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Supernatural S09E04: "Slumber Party"


Soooo... okay, "Slumber Party" could have been better. The flashbacks to 1935 served a minimal storytelling purpose at best, and Supernatural re-he-healy needs to stop whipping out Ezekiel's magical angelic undo shortcut everytime someone we like bites it. That's two episodes in a row, guys, and that's kind of ridonkulous. I know, death has been pretty meaningless on this show for awhile now, but srsly? Stop it. STOP. IT. 


But hey, at least one side of the Winchester co-dependency tag-team decided to be proactive about the "Poor human Cas is totes gonna get shanked if someone doesn't help and hey why can't he chill in the Batcave, Dean?" situation when Sam thought it would be super-nifty to hack the Men of Letters' ancient security system/mainframe/robot butler (idk) to track angels and steer moral Castiel away from danger. Dean was initially apprehensive about the idea, what with an angel tracker in their clubhouse surely going to reveal the probably-evil angel hanging out in their clubhouse, but then he came around to it. I like to think the reason Dean hesitated was that he's already sick of Ezekiel's shenanigans, but there's also the possibility that he just couldn't come up with a convincing lie on the spot—not that any of his insta-lies have been convincing lately. SRSLY, SAM, U R LIKE THE DENSEST. 


Whatever, the point of repurposing the Bat-computer in "Slumber Party" wasn't so much about outing Zeke and sending Sammy into an angst-and-betrayal spiral (soon, my pretties, soon) as it was an excuse to invite Charlie Bradbury to sleep over. No, really. They marathoned Game of Thrones and everything and Sam whined about spoilers and Dean guilt-tripped his little bro over his refusal to consider the Bunker a home because we haven't had that argument yet this season and at four episodes in, we're running a little behind schedule. 

It makes perfect sense that Dean was so quick so alphabetize his porn stash and slap some posters on the walls while Sam stuck to the usual Winchester philosophy of "This is just a place where I sleep and summon demons sometimes," and Sam himself actually did a pretty solid job of explaining his reasoning. Dean remembers having a real home. Sam only really remembers squatting in abandoned buildings and dumpy motels. Anytime Sam has tried to commit to a real home, it's typically ended bloody and sad. You can make a case that the same notion applies to Dean—because it totally does; I mean, look at Lisa and look at Mary—but I think that the difference between Sam and Dean's philosophies really comes down to Dean being the oldest and having, however briefly, that boring civilian normalcy that Sam's never had. Even at Stanford, or with Amelia, Sam had the knowledge of hunting in his head, tainting everything. 


Sam has always wanted "normal," but his idea of normal is much more rigid than Dean's. Dean has experienced both worlds, and at this point in the series, realizes that the two can overlap. Yes, living in a supernatural bunker with a demon chained up in your basement is weird, but you can still have friends over for movie night and take delight in having a clean kitchen and all of that terribly mundane stuff that Sam wanted for the longest time. Dean just has insight that Sam lacks, and it'll be interesting to see the writers (hopefully) bring the brothers to a sort of understanding.


SO, once upon a time, Dorothy (Tiio Horn)—of reluctant Wizard of Oz fame—was actually the daughter of L. Frank Baum, a Men of Letters nerd who really liked his job. Baum's Oz books are similar to Carver Edlund's Supernatural books in that they're mostly true accounts, but Baum's are more heavily sanitized. Turns out, Dorothy followed her dad into Oz one day and ended up being recognized as the prophesied leader of the rebellion and sworn enemies of the Wicked Witch. Dorothy also became a hunter because daddy issues. When the witch escaped from Oz and ended up in our world, Dorothy tracked her down, and when the Men of Letters failed to come up with a permanent way to off the witch, Dorothy locked them both in a jar where they stayed for decades and decades until the jar broke during Dean's attempt to bust open the Commodore 64 (the name's sticking, I don't care how inaccurate it is) and this is pretty much the exact reason why the Winchesters aren't allowed to have nice things. This right here. Also the demon chained up in the basement. That too. And probably just the fact that they're Winchesters. 


The Wicked Witch's jailbreak prompted a lot of basic running around, all of it centered on a key to Oz that Dean had stashed in his sock drawer and the witch mind-whammying both brothers (WHAT GOOD ARE YOU, ZEKE?) until Charile kicked Dean in the nads and saved the day because "Slumber Party" wouldn't've been a Charlie Bradbury episode  of Supernatural unless her story ended with the only-marginally-angsty warm fuzzies. IDGAF. Still <3 her. Yay for going to Oz with Dorothy and being all girl-power and happy and whatever. "Slumber Party" was so girl-power and it didn't even know it—except for the part where Charlie died and went to heaven and was actually kind of enjoying it until Dean dragged her back, which is a running theme with Dean. But anyway, she got to see Oz and we got our obligatory reminder that Sam is currently possessed against his will. Sam's starting to wise up, though. He remembered Dean calling him "Zeke" before he blacked out. Now wise up a little faster, boo. I'm sick of looking at Dean's constant guilty-face. 

However, I'm never sick of stories involving the Men of Letters bunker, and this was a great one for showcasing a ton of features within its vast levels: the garage (OMG THE GARAGE), Sam's not-a-room, the kitchen, the computer system that apparently literally runs on magic, and even a glimpse, via flashback, of the bunker's early history—particularly the operations of the Men of Letters in its heyday, solidifying Sam and Dean's roles as the sole (as far as we know) legacies and caretakers of the new-and-improved (hey at least they aren't as sexist anymore?) organization. It's all very Luke-Skywalker-rebuilding-the-Jedi-order and I dig it. More of this—with or without the case-of-the-week vibe—and less guilty-face. 


What did you think of "Slumber Party"?


NOTES FROM THE APOCALYPSE

– What up with the bunker-hate, almost-everyone-in-this-episode? Windows would be nice (but really, really impractical and a definite liability of some sort), but I think "dump" is kind of harsh. Dated, sure, but retro is so in right now. 

–  Smart Winchester Sighting! I applaud the decision to only let Crowley write with crayons. I'm sure in time he'll figure out how to maim someone with a Crayola, but for now, better safe than sorry, right?

– "Magic and quests suck." Jeez, Sam. Where are your angel anti-depressants? Just last week you were all "LAAA EVERYTHING IS SO GREAT, DEAN, I'M HIGH ON LIFE AND NOT ON DEMON BLOOD YEAH" and this week you're stomping on the dreams of darling fangirl self-inserts and generally just moping around like it's Season 5 or something. 

– Poppy extract... so.. heroin bullets?


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AIRED ON 5/25/2016

Season 11 : Episode 23

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I think the next season is going to be the last and they're beginning to wrap up story arcs. With that hypothesis, this episode was a great send-off for Charlie. We should get the redemption of Crowley this season. I also think Castiel is going to become the new God. I'm starting to see a Jesus pattern, including incarnating on Earth as human. He'll probably sacrifice himself to save humanity this season, we'll get a final return of Chuck, and Castiel will be redeemed and implement a kinder, gentler heaven. Crowley will somehow end up helping them seal the gates of Hell, and maybe there'll be some way to end the supernatural scourage on the planet and the Winchesters can live Happily Ever After by the end of Season 10.
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Awful episode. Just plain awful.
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The episode wasn't bad but could have been really better. Something was off with the way it was directed. Maybe the soundtrack wasn't good enough - except for AC/DC at the end. I also felt like the actors lacked some energy or something. Anyway, hope we'll see more of Dorothy and Charlie. Oh and I don't know if it was deliberate but the "Don't judge me" Dean utters about his well organized porn collection is the same sentence Charlie used in the first episode she appeared on, when Dean notices that she's singing before going into the building. IMHO the scene would have worked better with Dean giving a silent awkward smile instead (and with a funny music).
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I was so happy when Dorothy turned up in the present. She was awesome from the beginning.... I really thought Charly and Dorothy would make up part of the team now.....buut they didnt, so that sucked.
Otherwise I enjoyed this episode but then again I am a sucker for crazy television and twisted fables.
Also I can't get over how amazing of a guy Zeke is. I really hope we don't get ulterior motives there. However his arc is pretty boring...
Are they ever gonna do something about this or is this just gonna be the weekly guilddose to complete the supernaturalexperience?
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I actually thoroughly enjoyed this episode,I don't know why it's getting so much hate. I loved the Men of Letters eps from last season, and this episode helped expand the mythology of that storyline while featuring a fan favorite, Charlie. Having the entire adventure be in the bunker reminded me of the Doctor Who episode "Journey to the Center of the TARDIS," except this episode was, you know... GOOD! (Only reason to watch Journey to the Center of the TARDIS is due to hottie hot hot Jenna Louise Coleman.)
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Your comparison of this episode and Journey to the Center of the Tardis was perfect--especially the part where you said, "Except this one was GOOD." It WAS good, and well-written. The French Mistake always serves as a reminder that Sam and Dean do not dwell in our universe, and this episode was a very clever diversion to illustrate that fact. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I've never seen a bad episode of this show--some are better than others, sure, but a visit from the Winchesters is always welcome. Needless to say, I loved it...
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You've never seen one bad episode of Supernatural? And you've seen all of them???
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Yup...

Not one that pissed me off, anyway.
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I dunno... seasons 1-5 had "weak" episodes (Anything with Bella in season 3 especially) but the post apocalypse seasons had some truly bad episodes. I can't stand any episode with Lisa and Ben, and the first 9 episodes of season 8 were almost unwatchable because the stupid Sam/Amelia flashbacks!
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Well then. I am a big fan of the show but this episode... I think this might be one of my least favorite things they have ever done.

Things I liked: The focus on the bunker, including Sam and Dean's ever-at-odds mentality about family and homes. Exploring the Batcave was great, although I feel this point could have been far better served up by doing an episode with a more classic feel. Imagine what they could have done with a ghost or a poltergeist haunting the bunker and given it a spooky spin (and just in time for Halloween!)

Things I did not like: Everything else! Despite liking Felicia Day quite a bit I have never bought Charlie as part of the Supernatural universe, and then to add Dorothy and cheesy black-and-white flashbacks on top of it? Everything about the story (and the acting) came off as way too earnest and on-the-nose. The LARPing episodes and Becky character if not entirely great were at least clever ways to be meta. But they referenced Becky, LARPing, the books, Games of Thrones, and the Charlie characters--all as call-outs to fans--was overload.

I thought the episode might take a turn when Charlie died but nope, Zeke brought her back and death yet again became cheap. Refusing to save Charlie could have been a nice character moment for Zeke and put him at odds with Dean for later episodes but that was a missed opportunity, too. At least she's shipped off to Oz for now.

I'll shut up now. And go wait quietly in the corner for the next episode where hopefully something will die bloody and awful.
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I love it when Supernatural does tongue in cheek (intentionally or not) and this one worked for me. It was good to have Charlie back for an episode and I do hope she pops back from Oz from time to time. The garage is awesome and yes Baby looks sweet in there. I wasn't sure about Dorothy to start with, I was kind of expecting her to have come out the jar either possessed by the witch or a split personality type deal. All in all I enjoyed it.
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.... am I the only one that thought this episode was beyond mediocre? All of the characters just seemed off (Witch!Dean and WItch!Sam? Worst acting I've seen from these two in like, ever), the dialogue was clunky as hell, Zeke and his super powers are ANNOYING, and why did it seem like Dean was much more emotional over losing Charlie than he was when Cas bit it last ep? I mean, she's awesome, BUT COME ON.
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Am I the only one who kind of wished this was a backdoor pilot episode for a Oz series? ABC has been butchering fairy tails for a few years. Time for the CW to step in and do it right!
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HELLO the garage!!! And leaving your bike to go to OZ?!?! Well at least the witch is dead...
Will we see Charlie again?? I cried big sloppy tears when Eureka ended. And is it a sin to secretly love Crowley? It is is it not...
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well i liked this better than the other fairy realm episode. and the love-triangle werewolf episode. the oz story was a bit of a stretch but at least it ran parallel to the winchester hunting books, so there was a little leeway, but it was still absolutely absurd.

However, it was just a case-of-the-week episode, and it brought felicia back. so, whatever.. not the worst thing ever.

I did love the "you're not a hunter 'til you've died" line. so true. That, the flashbacks, the evil winchesters, Zeke and his "witch or your friend" ultimatum, and dean getting kicked in the nuts made this a bearable episode.
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OZ?
No. Just... no.
Charlie is supposed to be a hacker so I wanted to turn it off after I saw her with a tabloid and Windows 8. This isn't even funny anymore it's in a sad way insulting for everyone on this planet. Yes here I said it: while not being the worst episode of this show, it was an insult to humanity.
Tiiiio Horn or whatever her name is, should be forbidden to "act" her entire life. E.P.I.C. fail on so many levels. The only redeemer was(of course) Sam and Dean's great back-and-forth(as usual) occasionally with Charlie and some Crowley.
Maybe I'm getting a little bit over the top here, but to my defence I read all the previous comments here before.
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BTW that was not a tabloid, it was a Surfarce Pro 2, which is a a pretty capable and powerful (for it's size) laptop equipped with the latest I-5 Haswell processors. A hacker that is on the move a lot would favor it due to its portability. That being said, it is clearly a sponsorship thing. You will find Felicity in Arrow using the Surface Pro 2 as well. I agree with your comments on Tiio Horn's acting.
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"Tiiiio Horn or whatever her name is, should be forbidden to "act" her entire life. E.P.I.C. fail on so many levels." - lmao

I agree completely. I wouldn't necessarily call it "acting" as she was walking around looking constipated and/or bored while delivering her lines in disinterested and annoyed monotone.
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The Windows 8 thing is only because apparently Windows is a HUGE sponsor of the CW. They do that ish on TVD too.
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reading about the fourth episode made me realise: how come they never asked Cas to go about bringing people back from the dead? I mean at least for most of season 5 he had the reason that being cut off from heaven meant he didn't have as much access to his usual powers as before, but now we have thousands of angels who seemed to have retained their powers, with the limitation that an angel just needs time to rest! Groan, it's the regnerative blood from Heroes all over again!
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Thank you for the crayon explanation. It wasn't clicking for me. I thought the episode was pretty good considering the fact that I hate the Wizard of Oz.
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Heroin bullets!

Since a good number of the posts in Charlie episodes are either "I love Felicia Day" or "I hate Felicia Day", rather than commenting on the episode I'm just gonna say "I want to have babies with Felicia Day" and leave it at that.
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Well put.
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"this is pretty much the exact reason why the Winchesters aren't allowed to have nice things. This right here. Also the demon chained up in the basement. That too." Thank you, this made me laugh! So is Dorothy Charlie's new love interest? Did anyone else pick up possible vibes there? I don't recall, but has the awesomeness of the cars (and bikes) in the garage been covered before? I am surprised we don't see Sam or Dean taking them out for a spin from time to time.
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This episode was actually kind of refreshing. An odd idea to fit into the Supernatural world, but oddly, it worked. I was really happy to see more of the "batcave". I actually think the show was in need of a one-off episode, and at least now someone knows Dean's lying his ass off. But then of course they send the only character who knows something's up off to a different universe/world. When are we gonna see them drive some of those cars? Or lead a team of hunters through the backroads with them at least. The show really seems to be building up to something, the brothers need more friends. Finally they're both calling the Bunker "home"

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They've got a garage! Although the cars look a little too shiny after sitting around over half a century.

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Isn't only car there their Impala? Rest were bikes,no?
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Take another look. There were clearly a number of cars along the left, although I can't say what models.
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Yep,you're right...there were 3 cars on left side.
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well technically we had "windows" it was running on the tablet :)
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I said last season that place HAD to have a garage in there and it'd be nice when they weren't leaving the Impala parked outside their SECRET BASE! glad to see it finally!

Charlie's back! sweet! <3 Felicia Day. and shock of shocks, they didn't beat us over the head with "She's a lesbian!!" like they did in every other appearance even though they had more of an opportunity to in this one.

Novel approach, (get it?) with the Oz angle.. really liked it...I honestly thought with the books as clues part they were going to end the witch with water...

Loved Sam's reaction to "BeckyWinchester" uploading all the unpublished Supernatural novels...

as Usual, Crowley just chews up every bit of scenery he's in. his "Hello moose" still gets a laugh out of me. his response to "What did the witch say" made me stop the show laughing... I fully expect Crowley to have some part in outting Zeke as soon as he gets a whiff of the Angel using Sam for a meatsuit.

And yeah, how many times is Sam going to fall for "Umm you got knocked out"

and death gets to be more and more of a yawn with Zeke on the team.


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Hmm, I was just a bit distracted about the fact that the dynamic duo accepted Oz as a real thing so quickly. Yeah sure, the MoL file and all, but still. They've been so doubtful about things before that it just seemed a bit out of character. Otherwise, a good romp. Eternal love for Crowley!
(haha, heroin bullets :D)
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So, who's up for a Charlie in Oz spin-off?
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NO.
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YES.
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I don't get it. Right now I feel that SPN has all the ingredients for a great season: The bunker, Crowley, Human Cas, posessed Sam and crazy angels roaming the world. Yet it's all wasted by sending away Cas, Zeke being creepy and not making sense most of the time, plus minimun Crowley screen-time and no angels. Also the Charlie/Dean/Sam reunion was super awkward thanks to bad dialougue and stiff acting.
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I totally agree with you!
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Maryann, I just want to say your reviews are always awesome and always appreciated. I feel like you are always spot on and it's really refreshing to see a reviewer like yourself who has so much fun with each post :).
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Awww, thanks! Thanks for reading! We like to have fun here.
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This was a great standalone ep if only for the fact that we got to see more of the Batcave. It was nice to see Charlie again even though we won't see her again anytime soon. Anyone who takes a zapping in order to save Dean's life is good in my book and is therefore awesome. Sam's confession about not feeling like the Batcave is his home since he never really had a normal home rings true sadly. But this is the perfect opportunity to make the bunker his new home since that awesome bunker has everything, he has his own room, it's quiet and remote and most of all, he gets to get all geeky with all the books that it holds. As for Zeke, I still don't trust him even though he brought Charlie back and I'm still pissed that he convinced Dean to kick Cas out. On an unrelated note, I just realized that Bart was Ethan from TSC (TSC Forever!!) after rewatching last week's ep, so that was a funny revelation. #SAVETHEBATCAVE
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Having grown up reading the OZ books I liked the show and all but the one thing that kind of bugged me was the shoes. In the book they were silver NOT red. They made them red for the movie because it was an early color movie and they wanted more color. Not sure if the staff just didn't do their research (which seems odd as they used to do tons of research on EVERYING for the show) or they just decided to go with red so as not to confuse anyone who had only seen the movie (or should I say movies counting "Return to OZ" which was a great but underrated movie and much closer to the books than the original movie ever was). Anyway, aside from that I liked the episode.
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I think more people have seen the movies than read the book. I'll do a quick check among my friends to see which color they think the shoes are in the story.
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Oh I know they have. Hell the first time I actually read "The Wizard of Oz" I was surprised at the changes. I've often wished that they would do some new movies on the book series and do them closer to the books themselves but I guess that will never happen. I would say "Return to Oz" is much, much closer but wasn't very popular due to a lot of people only knowing the movie and being confused by the diffrences.
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Not SPn's best episode. I was impressed with Jpad's quick switch from Sam to Zeke. Even without the blue eyes you would have been able to tell.
As for Charlie-it was nice to see her again and to send her off on an adventure with someone who would have her back as opposed to her doing odd jobs alone.
Overall it wasn't one of those episodes I loved but i didn't hate it either. Crowley made me LOL whistling the over the rainbow song. Saw him in White Collar and while I still love Mark Sheppard, Crowley is the better character he plays so far. Looking forward to the episode next week, looks like it has some potential for good laughs.
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Supernatural - Once Upon a Time crossover, make it happen! Dean would straight up shank Pan in 30 seconds than get to sexing Emma, while Hook sat in the corner reapplying his eyeliner
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I'm still hoping that a TVD/SPN crossover will someday happen. Though the Winchesters would totally kick the Salvatores ass!
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Dean and Sam versus Damon and Stefan? BRING IT!
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I think they'd kill one and let the other live. They seem to struggle with the whole "good" monsters thing.
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I'd like to see a SN-Grimm crossover :D
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I wonder if we'll get episodes of Wonderland, Neverland and Narnia in the future.
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Let's hope not!
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Ugh, I like Supernatural but this episode was a HUGE disappointment.

At least back in the day this show used to be original, now they copy off books/stories and even movies. (looking at you Twilight and a few dozen other movies they stole from)

I feel sorry for the actors and everyone else involved in filming this dreck.

Charlie's character was butchered and the result was an annoying, bratty mess.

#not amused
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They always ripped of some legend/book. It was the original idea for this series in the first place.

But still, I didn't like it much. I can give one big reason: Charlie. I really, really hate this character and the girl's acting. Whenever she's around, it's like the Winchesters change. They get more... uhm... pussified. Is this a word? It should be. Please stay in Oz for a long time, Charlie.
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I think when you add character like Charlie whose personality is to be awkward and bubbly, it automatically throws a wrench into the well-oiled machine that is 8 years of Sam and Dean. She'll bring down the pace no matter what the plot. That said, I enjoy that they clearly like Charlie and care about her well being, but they definitely coddle her. Compare their relationship with her to theirs with Jo, for example. Any other human they expect that person to step up and save the world. With Charlie they eat popcorn at watch Game of Thrones?
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Well, given how things have worked out with Jo and others who they have expected to help save the world and how guilty they have felt (especially Dean) about all the untimely deaths I would expect them to play things different at this stage and try and not let history repeat itself. That said Charley actually seems to be pretty good and probably doesn't need so much protection. Other than throwing herself in between Dean and the witch (and thus dying) she's been doing pretty good. Sure, she got herself caught by that offshoot Djinn but then again first time they ever met a Djinn Dean got himself caught as well so there's that. :)
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Well yeah the great strength of the show is that they use real lore as the foundations for their stories (with a little tweeking as needed). I'm not sure what your issue with Charlie is. I happen to like her and hope she gets back soon. I would also like to see Felica Day play Batgirl in something and sooner rather than later. :)
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You're not sure what my issue with her is? I already said it before: "I really, really hate this character and the girl's acting." I'm absolutely baffled she has a fanbase and people want a spinoff. I can tolerate Jared's bad acting, but Felicia is just too much to take.
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Okay. I first saw her on "Eureka" and I've pretty much liked her since. Finding out that she's into role-playing games and stuff like in real life was icing on the cake. I really would like to see her play Batgirl in a movie someday. :) To each their own I guess. :)
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Okay when did they rip off the dreaded "Twilight"? Make fun of it for it's stupidity yeah but never seriously rip it off.
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They copied a scene from the movie/books exactly. It's not even the Twilight thing that bothers me they've stolen things and bits from Dracula and other movies as well.

Back in Seasons 1-5, the show had an original mythology. Now, the writers are not even trying anymore. They steal from everything and it's getting on my last nerve.
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I'd call this more of a homage episode rather than stealing. it's not like they said, "HEY THIS IS THE NEW OZ STORY".

and I believe you perceived the scene from 'Live Free or Twihard' wrong. It's not meant to be a scene stolen from Twilight to use for it's own mythology, it's POKING FUN at the entire Twilight franchise, the whole point of the episode's theme was to do that.
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@chris17blue
Geek fiction referencing other geek fiction almost always happens in mature shows. It increases as time goes on, and eventually you get episodes like this or Psych's Twin Spires because people love that shit. Also, all pop culture borrows. Pop culture is borrowing.
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Okay, that doesn't really matter now does it. It doesn't changed the fact that they "borrowed" ideas.

It's still unoriginal and distasteful.
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Guess you will have to be a way more specific as I've never seen the "Twilight" movies. I remember them having fun mocking them but I'm not versed enough in the movies to reconise a scene from it. Was it done seriously or where they perhaps mocking them again? I know I really laughed when Dean quoted "The Lord of the Rings" then defended it by saying it was the "Rudy" Hobbit and he always gets a pass. :)
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Chris17blue, I watched the opening of "Live Free or Twihard" on Netflix just now and if you look it's obviously a parody of "Twilight" and it's writing/story telling method (not to mention the vampire in question is purposefully being all "Twilight" to lure in his prey). If you notice near the end of the scene he starts to tire of it and starts to act normal (around the point where the girl is asking if there will be velvet and he half heartily says the place with will be covered in velvet). I've noticed that a lot of people these days throw around the term rip off with really understanding what they're looking at or what the intent was. This was no rip off it was, as I said before, parody pure and simple.
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Um, Chris17blue that whole episode was making fun of the "Twilight" movies so anything they might have borrowed there is (1) Not going to become a recurring element of the show and (2) used to show bad the movies are and make fun of them. Been awhile since I've seen that particular episode and I've never seen the "Twlight" movies so I have no idea about what specificially happens but if you do something like that to poke fun at another work it's really more parody than barrowing or stealing. You might have a case if it was done seriously and became a recurring element of their vampire lore but that's not likely at all so nope. :)
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The episode's name was called "Live Free or TwiHard".

the scene I'm refering to is the opening scene.
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These days I watch Supernatural only when Felicia Day guest stars. I would love Supernatural spin-off about Dorothy and Charlie's adventures in Oz. Make it happen The CW!
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Oh, please no. Dorothy's personality is as exciting as watching paint dry.
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I'd like to see the Charlie/Dorothy Oz spinoff...
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I'd love to see that or a spin-off about Aaron and the Golem's adventures!
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Yes! I'm crossing my fingers for Aaron and the Golem to make a guest appearance at the very least. I'd watch the hell out of a spin-off though.
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Yes! That would be awesome!
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I guess since i have never watched wizard of oz -SUDDEN GASPS IN THE DISTANCE- or many fairy tales, i wasn't that entertained. You think that when sam asked dean who zeke was with knowledge that dean has lied before that he would at least attack the issue a bit more harshly.
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Yeah, because that always goes well. Besides they had a witch to fight. It will come up again to be sure but they like to spread these things out and just go head long into it all in one episode.
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I think that Charlie will return, and Dorothy with her.
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It was a fun episode. I want more of Dorothy and Charlie. Dorothy and Charlie in Oz is a show I would dedicate an hour out of my week for. CW that could easily be a replacement for Reign when that gets cancelled.

Overall I like the season. But it seems to be constantly repeating itself. Crowley, Sam and Dean, Zeke popping out to heal or bring someone back from the dead has been kind of the main thing this season. Bring back Abadon, she was fun and new and leave Crowley in the basement for a while.

I did however like learning more about the bat cave. Awesome cars and motorcycles, a kitchen a computer room that is literally a whole room for a computer was kind of fun. The hate on the cave was kind of dumb. It is a bunker there are no windows, it isn't supposed to be the top of the Palms.

Overall good, but they are wavering in falling into the same things over and over with the whole Zeke thing.
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Well, they kind of have to keep hitting the Zeke thing otherwise Sam wouldn't have a chance to realize that something's going on and get all suspishious and angry about it and have it blow up into a major event down the road. You didn't really think it was going to go smoothly this time did ya'? I NEVER goes smoothly for them.
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I get that. But I would rather have Zeke take over Sam for a while and Sam get there through realizing he is missing time rather than Zeke popping in to fix someone again and again. This is what at least the 3rd time if not the 4th? I just feel the writing for that could be cleaner.
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Yeah but given the stakes Zeke would need a major reason to just take control and risk discovery. I don't see him risking exsplusion just to shoot the breeze with Dean or something so it would have to be pretty big, like life and death big.
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Happy to see I'm not the only one who thought Charlie and Dorothy had a spark going. Thankfully it was subtle - not a distraction to the story, just present. If anything, I would have liked to have seen Dorothy take her hand walking down the Yellow Brick Road.
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"the witch mind-whammying both brothers (WHAT GOOD ARE YOU, ZEKE?)"

Zeke said earlier it would take most of his power to heal Charlie. That presumably didn't leave him with enough to deal with the Witch's mind-control.
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Zeke seems to be really weak, IMO.
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Zeke is hurt by the fall from Heaven. His primary reason for inhabiting Sam is to heal himself (and consequently Sam) of those injuries. And he's doubly weakened by saving Cas last week and Charlie this week. Pretty sure he'll be a badass - good or bad - once he fully recovers.
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The questions are: when will that be, and will he want to leave Sam?
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Also, did anyone else laugh when Charlie scrolled passed the Supernatural app on her tablet? Ah, this show....
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WOW. well..would ya look at that
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Obvious Windows 8 plug....
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Is anyone else feeling that when Charlie comes back 7-12 episodes later, Dorothy returns as a love interest for one of the brothers. It's been a long time it seems like for both of them, with good reason. And neither has ever really taken a shot with an actual hunter, excepting those females which then immediately perished. Thoughts?
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Umm... I think Charlie and Dorothy had a little love interest going on themelves...
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Further thought, Charlie introduces Dorothy to the Supernatural books before bringing her back into the Brothers lives.
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I just realized Dorothy is from Kansas in the book..what a coincidence..
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I doubt it is. I'm sure that's WHY picked Dorothy and OZ in the first place. :) I too would like to see Dorothy and Charley in OZ, maybe not as a full series but a mini-series or something since I'm sure the effects and production costs would be insane with the flying monkeys, the Emerald City and all that.
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I like Dorothy as a badass (she showed her fair share of badassery in the books, for a little girl), but there's one detail I didn't like, and I know this may seem nit-picking, but it somehow bothered me: weren't the shoes supposed to be silver in the books? I can't understand that the writers took the time to pay an otherwise amazing homage to the Oz series and slipped in that very obvious detail...
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Obviously not a slip up or a failure to do research, just a choice to hit emotional resonance with the greatest number of people.
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That was my final conclusion as well. They were just going with what the majoritiy of viewers would instantly reconise. Still, kind of wish they had made them silver and explained about the movie but it would have been kind of awkward since Dorthoy wouldn't know about the movie and Charely would have already expected silver slippers. I guess Charley could have made a comment leading to a blank stare by Dorthy but I guess it's too little pay off for the screen time it would take, given how much was going on in the script already.
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You're probably right, but I still miss some kind of comment. They insisted on Charlie being a great fan of the books, so maybe she could've said something, as a nod for the readers. Or they could have them right and have Dean comment on how they were supposed to be red... dunno, as I said before, it's not important but it still bugs me...
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You book readers have been marginalized as a class.
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So it would appear but I'm used to that. :)
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I thought the same thing (posted about it above) and I can only assume, someone didn't do their homework or they went with red because most people think of them that way. Seems those of us who have actually read the books and know they're silver are in the minority. What a shame.
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Yessss! I kept waiting for Charlie to make a comment about them because she so would.
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Guess they could have explained that it was changed for the book but then it would be kind of weird. Probably best to let it pass. :)
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Yeh that was a complaint of mine as well. The slippers were only ruby red in the classic film... if the father made a decent accounting of her adventures you'd think the show would have used the correct slippers.

But I guess @AndyRogan below is right... they used the ruby reds because that's what 99.9% of the people "know" the shoes to be because of the moviel
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Unfortunately everyone remembers them being coloured Ruby so MGM could show off their new colour movie process
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Charlie: beckywinchester. Ring a bell?
Sam: No..uh no..nobody.. No bells..uh no..
Haha!
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Sam to Dean- "I like to read books. The kind without pictures."

The brothers asking Crowley about the Wicked Witch - "What did she say?
Crowley - "Achhh!" (gotta love Crowley!)

Crowley said the Wicked Witch didn't melt him. I was surprised by that comment because it suggests she is more powerful than Crowley. In past episodes on SPN, demons were always more powerful than witches,,,no contest. So it seems odd the King of Hell would be less powerful than she is. And why is Sam giving Crowley a piece of paper and a crayon?

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Well, obviously this witch is no garden variety witch. They were giving him paper and a crayon to write down demon names. A crayon because it's less likely to be a weapon than say a pencil or a pen.
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The melting thing was meant to be a reference to how the Wicked Witch ultimately gets defeated min the movie (never read the books, so no idea how that ended).
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Pretty much the same way except in the book the witch captures Dorothy and makes her a slave. Dorothy is scrubbing her floors and gets angry and throws a mop bucket at her, melting her with the water by accident. She's actually enslaved by the witch for many days before that happens. The whole adventure takes place over many, many days instead of just a few days like the movie shows.
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They stated it in the beginning of the episode... and partially extended from last week.

They want names of Demons for them to kill. Crowley gave them a couple last week. This week he would only do it if he got to stretch his legs.

And a crayon... probably so he couldn't use it easily as a weapon or lock-pick.
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Ok. thanks.
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I LOVED how he was just casually whistling the theme song as they approached.
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Yup, that was hilarious!
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I actually liked this episode. Charlie was fun, and immediately knew something was up with Dean. Dorothy was great. The witch using people to speak for her was good also. Finally, Sam is now suspicious.
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Decent episode, not too much going on, but I liked seeing Charlie again, and Dorothy was awesome. Bring her back! Sam is definitely starting to realize that something is going on. Dean can't keep up this lie for much longer, and I have a feeling that if the computer boots up and shows them where Angels are, the jig will finally be up.
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Of all the ep's Charlie has been in, I liked this one the most. Didn't care for Dorothy. The Wicked Witch is a real bad ass, though. And that was a great view of Oz at the end. One of the great things about SPN is that they don't overdo it with the CGI's. When they do use them, they do a good job of it. And it looks like Sam is beginning to suspect something isn't right/normal. You could tell by the expression on Dean's face. This ep really surpassed my expectations. Great ep.
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Plus Zeke didn't erase / tweak Sam's memory this time... so now Sam remembers Dean calling out for Zeke. Who's Zeke? Uh oh
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Exactly.
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I can not be the only one who thought this episode was terrible? It was like bad fan fiction. Seriously... I'll give them some kudos for a very ambitious idea, but ultimately it fell flat on its face...

Oh, and I've always liked charlie, but definitely not in this episode...
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Yes terrible and I really get behind your "fell flat on its face" allegory.
I cannot believe that the vast majority here of commenters liked, or even LOVED this dreck. It is an abomination.
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Not terrible, just not very good IMO.
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I've never been a Charlie fan and I absolutely hate the Wizard of Oz, but this episode was fun! And I found myself actually being sad when Charlie "died" so maybe I like her more than I think? Eh, whatever. Good episode. And I'm hoping that Sam starts to get suspicious about Dean and Zeke and maybe starts to figure it out? And Crowley! "It was something along the lines of....HHHCHSSSSS" xD And also all the Game of Thrones references. Yay!
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That happens a lot on this show. I hated Jo and Ellen until they died and we finally got to see some character development and emotions out of them. I heard a lot of people who didn't like Bela had the same reaction to her off screen demise.
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Baby has a home! (the Impala)
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