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Supernatural S09E13: "The Purge"


"The Purge" was poised to be goofy and gross, but silly me, I didn't consider soul-crushingly sad as an option even though this is Supernatural and I really should know better by now. The epic sadness behind "The Purge" came in on the tail end of some brutal honesty regarding the state of the Winchester brotherhood. Season Fine really loves its brutal honesty. 

But first: silliness, sexiness, and some strange happenings at the ol' Canyon Valley Spa. We haven't seen Sam and Dean take on full-blown, immersive undercover work—complete with working a boring and occasionally demeaning nine-to-five in the name of all-access sleuthing—in some time, and that aspect of "The Purge" didn't disappoint. Sam in clingy workout attire, Dean in a hairnet: What more could one ask for? (Um, IDK, maybe another sweaty topless chin-up session a la that time Soulless Sam showed off for one of his numerous hooker hook-ups?)


Unnnnnfortunately for all the shallow people in the audience (HELLO, FRIENDS) Bendy Sam's screen time didn't extend much further than what we saw in the promo. That's okay, we'll always have that time Jared Padalecki went to Brazil. Lunchlady Dean was a good time, though. Any time Dean puts down the whiskey and cornflakes long enough to steal pudding from spa patrons and make out with a bag of sweet potatoes is a good time. 


Another trend that Season Fine appears to love so well is its humane monsters. This was the second episode in a row to feature flesh-eaters or fat-suckers who were determined to coexist peacefully with humans, and even hunters. This is also the second episode in a row to feature those peace-loving monsters getting completely screwed over by the malcontents within their ranks. Maritza took her approach to living with humans one step further than what we've seen in the past. Not only did Maritza work to avoid harming humans, she devised a system where she and others like her could actively help humans. She needed to eat fat to survive. Chunky monkey humans wanted to lose weight with minimal sweating and without spending all their time at the gym. Dude, if I could just go to a schmancy spa, eat roofied pudding all week, stare at Sam Winchester doing a downward facing dog at least once a day, and then come back like eight dress sizes smaller, I'd be all over that. It was a perfect match. 

Except for Alonso, Maritza's grumpy brother, who got himself demoted to eating the jarred fat when he got greedy and almost killed a spa patron by sucking out too much fat. Resentful of Maritza's stance on humans and apparently starving out of his mind, Alonzo opted to go on a fat-sucking murder spree in the next town over because that wasn't a terrible plan or anything. And then he ate Maritza's hunky husband just to hit home the message that being a friendly monster on Supernatural never ends well. 


Like, when all was said and done and Maritza's innocence couldn't be made more clear, Dean wanted to waste her anyway because she was a monster and it's not like Sam and Dean have ever let a goodie-two-shoes monster go before or, gee, it's not like Dean ever spent half a season being BFFs with a kindly Cajun vampire named Benny. That never happened, right? 

Shut up, Dean. 

And shut up, Sam. 


Except not really, because as much as it sucked to hear Sam say that if the tables were turned during the trials he wouldn't have tried to save Dean, it was a thing that needed to be said. It was also a thing that Dean needed to hear, because he just wasn't understanding why Sam was so upset over the Gadreel incident, and I was starting to feel really bad for him (I mean, I still do, but he just seemed so helpless and confused before). It was also a thing that we needed to hear because, okay, full-disclosure, I'm one of those obnoxious people who never shuts up about how Twilight and 50 Shades are NOT healthy pictures of romance and Supernatural has gradually landed in that same realm except with sibling relations, where in one camp we have a group who believes that the Winchesters are the most amazing and positive brotherly relationship on TV because they just love each other SO. MUCH, and then there are the buzzkills like me who are routinely horrified by what the writers seem to think "love" means, which results in sitting around and wondering if maybe they just don't realize how messed up the Winchesters' relationship comes off? They're professionals, they can't possibly lack that much self-awareness... can they?

No. No they cannot, and the payoff-in-progress is so delicious. 


Everything that Sam said was true. Now, the way he said it is a source of contention, and I won't argue that the bluntness was hurtful and that Dean didn't proceed to get blackout drunk on every bottle of booze in the Batcave, including the sacramental wine meant only for spells and stuff, but Sam wasn't wrong, and based on what we've seen in the last few seasons, Sam isn't a hypocrite. When Dean was lost in Purgatory and thought to be dead, Sam let him stay dead. When we first dove into the trials storyline, Dean was totally aboard the let's-slam-the-door-on-hell train until he realized he wouldn't be the one making the great and noble sacrifice required to lock the door. That's not a new pattern for Dean: He sold his soul to bring Sam back from the dead, he was willing to be Michael's vessel if it would stop the Apocalypse (but he wasn't willing to let Lucifer wear Sam), if he'd been more mobile after the smackdown at Stull Cemetery, Dean would have jumped into the cage with Sam, and when Sam was soulless, Dean risked his life to meet with Death and make a deal for Sam's return. This is all very heroic and selfless, but it's also pretty damn sad and indicative of the damage that the hunting life has inflicted on Dean. There's a reason "Bad Boys" aired when it did, both in terms of which season and when in that season. It confirmed what a lot of us long suspected regarding what exactly makes Dean tick, and it set the stage for all of this (for once) timely man-angst to come spilling out. 

When Sam and Dean's messed up relationship is written poorly, without addressing the legitimate concerns that outsiders have (such as Lisa and Bobby, but also viewers), it's frustrating to watch. The repetitive cycle of sacrifice-resentment-more sacrifice-more resentment looks more like a pattern of lazy writing and spent ideas than a pattern of damaging behavior brought about by unavoidable traumas and an emotionally fraught upbringing. When Dean and Sam are written well, and Supernatural manages to be honest about the realities of being Dean and Sam, their relationship is one of the most fascinating sibling relationships on TV. 



NOTES

– What is it with Dean and pudding?

– I question the taste of making Bendy Lisa jokes considering how horrible the circumstances of her exile were. 

– "Doug's a dick, you deserve better." Someone, somewhere, immediately started penning a slashy three-way fic where Dean and Sam screw Lady-cop stupid. Mark my words. 

– Sam had a fanny pack. That is all. 

– And now that my heart has been ripped out and stomped on, I'll see you all back here on February 25, when Supernatural returns from a wee hiatus with 100 percent more... Snookie? Plz no.


What did you think of "The Purge"?


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AIRED ON 5/25/2016

Season 11 : Episode 23

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I don't think either of them are bad or wrong here -- I think they're just siblings in different roles who don't fully understand one another (mistakenly assume the other should feel the same way). Any older / caregiver sibling will tell you that they'd sacrifice just about anything for their younger sibling. And don't get me wrong -- we often have great relationships with our younger siblings -- we just know that it's not a two-way street.

So it's not that surprising that Sam is a bit more detached (i.e., didn't look for Dean in Purgatory, and wouldn't go to the same lengths to save Dean). The only real gap in communication is that this surprises Dean still at this juncture, and that he doesn't fully understand that younger siblings simply don't work the same way that older siblings do.

Sure, we can pick apart whether or not they're "dysfunctional", but that seems a bit silly given that it's a show about two brothers raised hunting monsters to avenge their mother (and later their father, and so on). Of course they're dysfunctional! But in terms of dynamics and sacrifice? Well, most of us have to simply live with what happens to our family, but I think if you were to engage anyone in a thought experiment or look at what lengths an older sibling (or parent, or any caregiver), would go to save someone they see under their protection? Dean's willingness to sacrifice everything isn't really that surprising, nor out of the typical spectrum of (at least hypothetical) human behavior.

I don't think we need to pick them apart as who they were or how they've changed -- just how much they'd sacrifice for each other. And the fact that Dean is willing to sacrifice more than Sam? Is completely typical for an older-younger sibling relationship.
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They've both made mistakes in the past and betrayed one another but the thing that bothers me is this time Sam really has no leg to stand on. He chose not to finish the trials. Dean may have beseeched him but even in the end, Dean gave him a choice and did what he had to do to to ensure that Sam's giving up on the trials was not in vain.

I really don't like this self-righteous attitude Sam's been giving off lately where he's been acting like he's willing to give everything to save people, when in actuality he made the choice to save himself instead of closing the gates of hell and then got depressed and decided to end it all for no reason. Now Sam's mad at himself for making a selfish decision and getting Kevin killed and letting demons walk the earth, but Sam's a grown man who made his own choice, and he needs to stop acting like Dean forced him to do anything. Sure Dean may have ignored his decision to let him die, but just an hour before Sam was willing to let demons walk the earth forever for a chance to live, no person in their right mind would agree with someone who's decided to die on a whim like that.
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It seems to me that Sam has a mental health problem and is suicidal. Dean did the right thing and Sam resents him for it for some reason. They need to lock Sam up in that haunted asylum from way back when until he stops wanting to die. And then they both need to work on their incestuous feelings they seem to have for one another. :-)

Every season since season 4 and Dean going to hell has followed the same pattern - some big crisis, then some MacGuffin needs to be found and while they're waiting for it they have several filler cookie-cutter episodes that don't really mean anything. Then three episodes before the season finale they suddenly remember they're supposed to be doing something. :-( It was like that way back when Dean sold his soul - with Dean saying there was nothing they could do about it so let's just hunt, etc. Three episodes before the end of the season they suddenly decided to try to save him. Now Crowley is walking around under the ocean or something. If this were the Vampire Diaries this entire season's plot line would have been resolved before episode 12. :-( Are viewers even going to remember the rival angel gangs? By my count at least 6 of the last 13 episodes have been filler. Either they're not going to resolve this heaven thing by the end of this season or it's all going to be condensed into the last three episodes yet again. :-(
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Well I don't really liked this episode. The case wasn't good, the demon/parasite not interesting.
And I'm also very tired with the crappy relationship. I don't know why they are angry at each other, why they don't understand each other. But couldn't they seat for once and explain them self once and for all !!!!
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I agree with you that the "distance" between the brothers (and what feels like hostility sometimes -- mostly from Sam) is sad and very hard to watch. I miss those times when they were fighting the good fight together and not battling each other. Hopefully this will be resolved soon.
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In Devil May Care, Ezekiel/Gadreel told Dean “I am in Sam's head. Everything he knows, I know. And I know that what you did, you did out of love.”
That sounds like Sam understood why Dean did what he did and he didn’t think it was selfish – at least not at that time. Was Ezekiel/Gadreel lying, or has Sam changed his mind since then? Or maybe the mark of Cain really is behind Sam’s latest verbal attack. Thoughts?
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If I remember correctly, Sam saved Dean in " Faith" , killing an innocent man in the process.
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If I remember correctly, Sam saved Dean in " Faith" , killing an innocent man in the process.

You're right. He also tricked Dean into going to the faith healer in the first place. He told Dean he was taking him to a "specialist"...
Good thing Sam never lies about something like that :)



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Exactly.
People are pissed at Dean for tricking Sam, but Sam basically did the same thing in Season one soooo....
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People are pissed at Dean for tricking Sam, but Sam basically did the same thing in Season one soooo....

You're absolutely right, but I don't think Sam is the same person he was back then. I think something is broken in him. Remember in season 3 Time is on My Side – Sam was willing to use evil Doc Benton’s immortality formula to save Dean from going to hell, even though it would have meant periodically killing innocent people to harvest replacement organs. It was Dean who refused to consider that plan. I think whatever is “broken” in Sam happened after season 3. Back then, Sam told Dean “there’s nothing I wouldn’t do for you” and that he would do whatever it took to save him. I think he meant it because his actions at the time supported that. We are clearly not looking at the same Sam we had in seasons 1 – 3. Maybe hell or the trials broke him – I honestly don’t know…

In contrast, Dean (who has been through hell, purgatory, and numerous other traumas) has never lost focus on what is important to him. Sam always comes first. Always. I think that says a lot about Dean’s strength of character and the depth of his love for Sam.
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I think Sam's less angry about Dean tricking him into letting Gadreel possess him than he's angry Dean talked him out of closing the gates of hell.

When they were in the church, Sam understood the mission and its price. But Dean (as Sam said) did not want to be alone. They could have changed/saved the world and Sam would have gotten (even via death) what he wanted: to be clean. Moreover, Sam seems to have always understood the cost to a bigger picture: He was ready to kill John in season 1 but Dean was not; he made Dean promise not the resurrect him from the cage with Lucifer; he did not look for Dean when he disappeared to purgatory. (Trying to save Dean from Hell, I think, is a different situation.)

Then when you layer in Gadreel's possession over Sam's difficulties over the series--not feeling like a good person or even human, being possessed by the devil, losing his soul (and therefore no longer himself) and struggling with reality and memories of the pit--orchestrated this time by Dean--it does feel like a considerate betrayal.

Early in the series, they would compare the boys often to John. Dean was more dedicated but Sam, like John, would make that hard choice with regards to family when it came to the mission.

All of the above to boil down that I don't think Sam was cruel or out of line. It's true that a lot of Dean's driving motivation is so that he does not have to be alone (hell, the series started with Dean springing Sam from college after John left him). I'm glad that it's been said out loud for the first time in nine years so Dean can start moving forward.




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Sam (and Dean) should both realize that the situation would be much worse if Sam had been “allowed” to close Hell and die:

    1. Kevin Tran would still be dead. Metatron wanted Kevin dead because killing the prophet, eliminating all future prophets, and gathering the remaining tablets to himself was part of his plan. It was very close to the top of his to-do list. Gadreel/Sam was a convenient way to get close to Kevin, but even without Gadreel/Sam, Metatron would have gotten to Kevin anyway, and Dean would not have been able to stop it. Kevin is not warded against angels and rarely leaves the bunker (which is also not warded against angels), so he would have been relatively easy for Metatron to find -- especially since Metatron already knew that the Winchesters were keeping Kevin close to them. Dean feels responsible for Kevin's death, but he is not to blame (and neither is Sam) -- not really. Metatron is the only one responsible and he would absolutely have found another a way to kill Kevin.

    2. Castiel would be dead. Gadreel/Sam helped Dean find Castiel just as the reaper had killed him, and Gadreel was able to bring Castiel back to life. Bartholomew and the other angel factions would still have hunted Castiel down and killed him, but without Gadreel he would have stayed dead.

    3. Crowley would be human or dead. Either way, he would no longer be useful. Hopefully, closing the hell gates would have sucked Abbadon into hell with the rest of the demons. But she is a knight and very powerful. If anyone could figure a way out of hell it would be her. And without Crowley’s help, even if Dean had found Cain on his own he would not be able to access the only weapon that can kill her (which happens to be at the bottom of the sea). That means Abbadon would be able to run rampant, with no Crowley to balance/challenge her power and no weapon that can kill her.

    4. The angel civil war would still be happening on Earth, and Dean would be left alone (without Castiel, Sam or Kevin) to fight it. Not a good scenario.

    So I appreciate both sides of the Sam/Dean angel possession debate, but we should all realize that Sam’s death would have had much further reaching consequences and it’s likely a good thing that Dean saved him.
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I don't know about Metatron, who knows if the angels would have behaved differently if the gates of hell were closed?
Also, I think that giving Abaddon that much credit is pushing it. I mean that the Hell tablets are instruction from God, and Hell was closed before so I don't think that as much as she is powerful that she could really escape.
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I don't know about Metatron, who knows if the angels would have behaved differently if the gates of hell were closed?

The angel civil war started in season 5/6 when Michael got locked in the cage with Lucifer. It continued in heaven and has now spilled to Earth because all the angels have been kicked out of heaven. It never had anything to do with demons or hell -- it has always been about control of heaven. Why would we expect the angels to behave differently if hell had been closed?

And as far as Abbadon's power -- we still don't know the full extent of her capabilities. We know that the demon knife doesn't work on her (although holy water and devils traps seem to) and we've been told that there's only one weapon that can kill her. If we know about rogue coyote reapers who can smuggle souls between Earth, purgatory, hell and heaven (so we've been told), then presumably so does Abbadon. We also know that on Supernatural, there's always a way around the apparent rules, so I don't think it's unreasonable to consider the possibility that she might be able to slip out of a tablet-locked hell if she wanted to.

My point is that Sam is in this place where he thinks not closing the hell gates (and not dying) did more harm than good. I respectfully disagree. I think a dead Sam would be much worse. And the show writers never explored the potential outcomes of a demon tablet-locked hell. I don't think a locked hell is an entirely positive thing. Where do evil people go after death if hell is locked and they can't go there? What about innocent souls that are trapped in hell (like Bobby was and like John Winchester was) -- is there no way to free them?
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You're right about the angels, I just thought that without the purpose of being opposite to demons, maybe they would have done some soul-searching XD

Of course you may be right about Abaddon. Not knowing when hell has being closed the first time doesn't help: Abaddon was traveling to the future, but the others knights were killed when hell was still open?

I've always thought that closing hell only meant demons couldn't get out, but souls always could. I'm with you about Bobby, but John made a deal with Azazel, so he should have been in hell.
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@jjkrock I guess demons make deals with the soul who don't belong in hell?
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I'm with you about Bobby, but John made a deal with Azazel, so he should have been in hell.

You may be right about John Winchester. He did make a demon deal, so he technically belonged in hell. But he was also supposed to be the "righteous man" to shed blood in hell and open the first seal, so couldn't that mean he didn't really belong in hell -- can he be righteous and damned at the same time?
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Very,very good points made.
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I noticed many of you forgotten(and sorry for all my comments on this thread...) that in Season 1, when Dean was ready to die and was going to die, Sam saved him. I know the situation is a bit different but Dean was prepared for his fate. Now that Dean saved Sam when he was ready to die, he gets hated on? you 'chuckleheads.'
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But in the meantime they sacrificed themselves saving the other one countless time. I don't think you can compare season 1 Sam with season 9 Sam
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I just wish that once sam is the one that saves dean,why is it that in every episode sam is in danger and dean swoops in to save him???I also love that this season sam and dean are actually facing their trouble and being honest about it.But its really frustrating that dean still thinks he is doing the right thing,he just doesnt get it!!! And where the hell is cas???
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i feel embarrassed ogling on Sam's body when i know hes married and is a dad. On a lighter note, i totally would love to have a SHORT visit from a fat sucker. Free lipo, why not?
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The fact that I get both Dean and Sam's arguments in this episode proves my point about this being an effing great show, it's breaking my heart right now, and that says something about the longevity that these guys have instilled in the fanbase. I will still wait to see what happens. Again.
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Ok this episode was already just good to see sam in sports outfit!! Dean's outfit was really funny....
when he had eaten the pudding and was calling Sam, that scene was really really funny..
It was a fun episode and only in the end it was sad...
The look on Deans face when Sam told him that he would let him die, if the situation was reversed in the hospital!
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A few quick comedy bits and the last dialogue were the only good things in this episode. All together, it must be like 5-10 minutes. Totally worth it anyways. Let's see how it goes from here.

Oh, and Jared... don't skip leg day. Doesn't look good, brotha.
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Why all the Sam hate? I don't know why some fans see this as Sam doesn't have Dean's back or wouldn't save him if something happened. I saw it as Sam was referring to the specific incident of Dean allowing Gadreel to possess Sam in order to save him. Now all the Sam haters are jumping all over it saying he's ungrateful, he's a hypocrite, he's done bad or worse (and he has). What is happening with the brothers needs to happen now for the story to move forward. Sam's words, while harsh, is probably the only way to get Dean to hear what he's saying. Dean has been programmed to be Sam's protector at all costs, even for the greater good, as Sam said. I think Sam is trying to tell Dean that he's tired of them lying to each other all the time, of self-sacrificing to save each other justifying not going for the greater good if it means losing a brother. Of course Sam loves Dean! And it doesn't mean he doesn't put Dean's life first. He just doesn't want to keep perpetuating the bad that keeps happening because they don't follow thru on the job if it means losing a brother. NO Sam is not suicidal but they can't continue making the same mistakes over and over and going thru the same cycle. It has to change. And for it to change, that means Dean has to change.
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The way I see it is, Dean thinks/knows that no matter what, at the end he won't have a " happily ever after".
He knows that the life he leads isn't ideal or normal.
He has lost too much, and no way in hell he would ever be able to lead a normal happy go lucky life.
He feels like he's beyond saving.
At the same time when its all over, he wants Sam to atleast have a chance to live as normal as its possible.
So I think, that its one of the reasons he keeps on sacrificing everything and tries to save Sam no matter what.
Of course at the same time, he's got his selfish reasons too but he kinda justifies them with his own wicked way of thinking and reasoning.
In his book, that is what big brother are supposed to do. Looking after their baby brother and saving them one way or another.
Consequences and repercussions be damned. When it comes to saving Sammy the end will always justify the means, at least to Dean.
Sam too, had tried to save Dean numerous times. But he was I dont know, less heroic about it or something.
If memory serves, he was kinda okay with living alone sans Dean.( He went to Uni, then when Dean was in purgatory Sam found a dog, had a gf and was okay to start over.)
He really wanted to live a normal life but I guess over the time, he kinda gave up on it. And I dont blame him, so many horrible things've happened.
I think both brothers have had enough and are ready to go, one way or another.
God, I just made them look like some emo chicks with a death a wish. Sorry.
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"Another trend that Season Fine appears to love so well is its humane monsters. This was the second episode in a row to feature flesh-eaters or fat-suckers who were determined to coexist peacefully with humans, and even hunters."

A lot of comments here, so I apologize if some1 already pointed this out:

This is obviously to set up the premise for their new shitball spin-off. So now this terrible idea (which it is) is leaking into our beloved SPN....
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Christ, if it's all to do with the Mark, then watch out cos Cas will be next. He's the only one left besides Sam that's still like family to Dean.
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Awesome. Never thought of looking up the mark of Cain on the web. Thought this was made up. So maybe this is partly what's going on. Like you said, seems to ft.
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Yeah, this is what I was saying. It might not all be the mark and it's side-effect, but it sure as hell fits.
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I do believe some of it is Sam. On my other posts, I pretty much bashed Sam because I was mad, but now that I think about it- I seriously couldn't picture Sam being so cruel... He might be saying it himself, but the side effects might be making it more darker and maybe Sam isn't as close with Dean now because of what the mark is doing to him?
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I don't think it was cruel. It was honest and, since we're in the 9th season, hell, it's about time.
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It was cruel, especially for Sam to say it. Telling Dean he does more bad than good, he is selfish, he only sacraficies himself if he isn't the one getting hurt. LOL. He went to hell for that little nugget. Either way, it's the Mark of cain that is basically doing that.
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Forget Benny, didn't last episode they just let the werewolf pack go free?
This is absurd. They have let monsters go plenty of times in the past.

It was totally dumb.



As for the conversation in the end, what on earth was going there?
Didn't Sam take Dean to a faith healer back in the day?
Didn't their dad sell his soul just to bring Dean back from the dead?
What's with the hipocritical act all of a sudden?
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Yeah, I don't get it either. She was actually helping a lot of people.
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Wait...there are people in this world who think that Twilight and 50 Shades are healthy pictures of romance??? No wonder this world is so F'd up.

"What is it with Dean and pudding?"

Roofies. You mean like Sam, you don't know what roofies look and smell like?

I had to Google "Bendy Lisa" since I really had no idea who that was. I was quickly reminded after being directed to the Supernatural wiki. While on the same page, I saw a hint answering a question I posed to myself while watching last night.

Dean: I have no illusions. I know the life that I live. I know how it's going to end for me. Whatever. I’m okay with that. But I wanted you to know, that when I do picture myself happy, it’s with you. And the kid.

Whenever Supernatural end, is there any chance that one or both of the Winchesters get to walk away? Is the worst possible scenario (character wise) Sam sacrificing himself for Dean leaving the most damaged ex-hunter EVER to try and make a life for himself solo?

Questions of the human condition...I guess this means that Supernatural really is back to pre season six levels, cause I haven't really thought about this stuff where this show is concerned in a long time. It's nice to see a show can recoup even after multiple bad seasons (I'm talking to you 'Bones').

Did you say Snookie?!?!? {Googling...again}
I suppose it's the best possible option. Snookie admitting she's a spawn of hell. I'm choosing to look past that and concentrate on Crowley having himself a good cry while drinking champagne. Snookie or no Snookie, THAT right there might save the episode.

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The Sam haters on the one hand admire Dean for doing whatever it takes to save Sam, no matter what the consequences are, even if the consequences meant starting the dominoes falling that would lead to the Apocalypse. (Dean broke the First Seal in Hell) And the Sam haters keep bringing up Ruby and condemning Sam for believing her and drinking demon blood and freeing Lucifer. Well, Sam wanted to do whatever it took to kill Lilith and get revenge on her for sending Dean to Hell, no matter the consequences. Sam doing whatever it took for Dean sounds like Dean doing whatever it takes for Sam, doesn't it? Neither of them knew the consequences of their actions. And now we have Dean taking the Mark of Cain (and we all know that will end up bad) without even caring what the consequences of that will be. He didn't even bother to ask.

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Dean - "If the situation were reversed, and I was dying, you'd do the same thing"

Sam - "No, Dean, I wouldn't"

Sam - "Same circumstances, I wouldn't."

Same circumstances are the key words, here. Sam is saying he wouldn't allow an absolute, total, stranger possess Dean and turn him into a zombiefied freak against Dean's wishes. Sam is right in viewing what Dean did to him as the ultimate act of betrayal.
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I don't think it's even that.
What Sam was saying is if Dean was dying and said he was ready to die, Sam would allow him to go.
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I thought he meant that he wouldn't even tried to talk Dean out of closing Hell!
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I see where you are coming from but remember one thing. Dean went into Sam's mind and asked if wanted to live. Sam said yes. Ok, Dean may have not told Sam about how this was going to happen but for me that was a formality when it comes to saving his brother. Also, again as Cas said, it's not the outcome that's important, it's the intent. The intent was to save Sam, not to betray him. Dean's hands were tied. He had no other choice but to let Sam die. Remember what Sam told Dean on the Cassidy farm before the 1st trial was about to happen. Sam's intent was to survive the trials while Deans intent was to sacrifice himself for the trials.
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"Also, again as Cas said, it's not the outcome that's important, it's the intent."

I was shocked when Castiel said that. He essentially wrote off the consequences and resulting damage of his taking into himself the souls and the Leviathan in Purgatory as being unimportant, because his original intentions were good. And he's writing off Dean breaking the First Seal and Sam freeing Lucifer as being unimportant because their original intentions were good. Good intentions are important, but so are the outcomes of those good intentions if they cause more harm than good. Like someone said, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
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True that Dean went into Sam's mind and asked if wanted to live, and Sam said yes. But Dean tricked him into saying yes. Dean didn't tell him he was going to let a total stranger possess him.
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Lol,This can go on forever. I am not a Sam hater. I adore Sam. True that Dean broke the first seal. But again this is the story line. Dean wasn't aware that this was going to occur. He was betrayed by the crossroad devil. That's betrayal not trying to save Sam. The only point for me really is that Sam said, through out many episodes that he wanted to survive ( live ). He even thanked Dean for saving his life over and over again. Sam seems to me that he is speaking from both sides of his mouth. True, Dean is reckless. On a suicide mission if you ask me. Especially when he took the mark of Cain without knowing the consequences. The thing that gets me is I haven't yet seen any concerned from Sam towards Dean for taking the mark of Cain. There lies the difference between Sam and Dean.
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The last two minutes of this episode almost broke my heart. Looking back, the only true mistake Dean made was selling his soul to the devil in exchange for bringing his brother back from the dead. Was It not Sam who told Dean that he ( Sam ) is the one to complete the trials because the difference between him and Dean was that Dean wanted to die because he didn't see the light at the end of the tunnel as where he ( Sam ) saw a light and wanted to survive?

What message did Dean get from Sam ? He wanted to survive. At the end of season 8 neither Sam nor Dean knew that if Sam completed the trials that Sam would have completed the ultimate sacrifice. Giving up his life, as per Naomi. Of course, Dean did what was right. He Informed Sam, just in time, before the third trail was completed. I didn't see Sam fight Dean about this minor fact. The fact is that Sam is playing Dean. The fact is that it was Sam who made the ultimate mistake in trusting Ruby. ( How many times did Dean plead with Sam not to trust Ruby ) ? Sam began this domino effect and now is looking to blame someone but himself. Sam, told Dean that if he completed the trials he would show/take Dean to the end of the tunnel and show him the light because he was going to survive the trials. Dean did what he had to do to save Sam. Maybe the outcome was not what Dean hoped for but the intent was there. No monsters or demon's are going to kill Dean, but Sam is, torturing him mentally and Sam will be the cause of Deans ultimate death.


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I'm not sure what to think, really. One one hand, the episode itself wasn't that bad. The MOTW, the "fish taco" was a monster we haven't seen before, which was refreshing. On the other hand, the end of the episode was just difficult to process. There's so much right and wrong on each side. Dean is right because he saved his brother life, and the world didn't end, so that's cool, although wrong because he tricked and deceived Sam to do so. Sam is right because right because Dean does partially do it so he wont be stuck alone, but wrong because he completely overlooks the love part of the equation and the entire point, which he always understood before. Why is Sam so intent on dying? He's so suicidal it calls into question every single episode we see, why does he bother even getting out of bed in the morning? I feel an epiphany coming for these two, something along the lines of, (after Sam saves Dean from almost dying the same, maybe even from something that puts his soul in danger of extinction) :

"Fighting the good fight is all we have left, why dont we kill some evil sons of bitches and we raise a little hell?"
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Is everything going on hiatus because of the Olympics?
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True dat!

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another great episode, showing the ones who adapted our world and became good creatures, some efforts to make them good aren't enough. the stress between dean and sam continue, remaining strictly business is akward to me. of course sam would do the same to save him, he's just not showing hi emotions...
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The theme of this episode reminded me of The X-Files, S02E06 "2Shy" in which a creature sucked all the fat of fat ladies after dating them online.
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"No chipmonking allowed..swallow or you're disqualified!"

"A fish taco?"

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Way to go SPN, break my heart why don't you.

While I can understand where Sam is coming from, how cruel of him to say those things. And Ok, maybe it needed to be said, but Deans expression after was just... uggh, give that man a hug!

I'm wondering if the Mark of Cain has anything to do with this. I read up on it. When Cain was given the mark, not only did he have the vengeance of god on his shoulder should anyone try to kill him, but it also meant that he was cursed with the life of a fugitive/wanderer and cast out and excluded from family. I see Dean very slowly being 'excluded' from HIS family unit right now. I wish they'd hurry with at least 1 side effect so we can all stop guessing. I'm dying to know.

Monster of the week was pretty bleh, but I still loved the episode. Heartbreak or not.
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Feeling wise? A very powerful épisode. Like the one that consolidates à lot or the previous seasons. Can't wait for the next episode...And when you Say that for a tv show who is on it's season NINE! That's a fucking good thing.
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Okay. If anyone read my description on my profile, the quotes from Sam and Dean both, I'm so mad. I put that there a while ago of what Sam said to Dean, "I'd do anything for you" stuff. Yeah, okay Sammy. I'm changing that!~

This is for everyone bashing Dean.

1. Sam said Dean is selfish? That guy freaking went to hell for Sam. He aged by like, 30 years for Bobby to make sure he doesn't die in that one episode, he puts everyone ahead of him. He is not a selfish guy. He's far from selfish. He hates himself and Sam doesn't help with that by calling him selfish after Dean got shredded by Hellhounds for poor little Sam who can't find happiness.

2. Sam said Dean does bad more than good? Considering Dean is like, in depression, what the hell Sam? Why is that little twerp being so cruel? If he's mad at his brother, fine. Whatever. But bashing Dean like that is beyond sad. There was a time when Sam told him 'Dean, you're the best damn hunter I know. Better than dad, better than me..."

3. Sam said he wouldn't save Dean? I think he meant it. Saying it in such a cruel, absurd way was absolutely terrible. He was such a little jerk about it! He is spoiled. Considering he left Dean in Purgatory while he lived a happy little life with Amelia, I think HE is selfish. He only cares about what makes HIM happy and not what makes DEAN /and/ HIM happy. He makes it sound like he is the only person who can be happy. If Dean was in Sams situation, even if Dean wanted to die but Sam saved him, Dean would of gave him a pep talk. Maybe be mad for a bit, but he would NEVER say Sam is selfish, Sam does more bad than good, and so on.

4. Dean is lonely. He is extremely lonely, but now he is basically dead. He has no one now. His little brother who he saved all his life left him. Bobby died. No mom or dad. Dean lost Ben and Lisa. His friends die. Castiel is god knows where. He's lonely- he is, but he didn't bring Sam back so Dean isn't lonely(HE ALREADY IS!), he brought Sam back because he loves his little brother no matter how cruel and spoiled he is and he would do anything to protect Sam. Anything.

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what I'm thinking. The next episode does not sound pretty(it sounds like it will be interesting.) It's called Captives. Wanna know what Captives means? "a person who has been taken prisoner or an animal that has been confined."

I'm thinking Dean is going to end up getting tortured or something or hurt real bad or on the verge of death, and Sam is going to regret every word he said and he'll try to save Dean.
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I agree completely ! I adore Sam but he has a very dark side to him.
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I kind of agree with Sam on this one. Dean is selfish. He's selfish because he doesn't want to LIVE without Sam. He's fine being the one to die in his place. You are right about Dean being lonely but that's no excuse to trick Sam to bring him back when he was ready to die.
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Its about time that Sam stood up for himself properly. He has tried being nice about it, heck he has tried all sorts of ways to tell Dean how he feels but finally he gave up subtlety and went with downright blunt and direct. And for once it nice to see Sam saying exactly how he felt. I am not saying he is perfect, he has effed up along the way more than most but he has had to take Dean narking on at him and his side swipe comments and general bitchiness for too long. I wouldn't have been able to hold back as long as he did. Season after season of Dean telling him he couldn't be trusted, he was a screw up, a failure and season after season of him charging in at the last minute saving Sam would be enough to mess up the sanest person's noggin.

Dean used to acknowledge way back in the early seasons that they were each others Achilles heal but now he seems to be ignoring that and trying to play the 'we're strongest together' card. While this may be true to an extent, as Sam said before, most of their predicaments have happened BECAUSE they are family. Dean would not have traded his soul at the end of season 2 for anyone other than Sam, he would not have worked so hard to save anyone else who was under Ruby's influence (he probably would have killed them a lot sooner and Ruby too) and he certainly would not have pushed Death to recover a strangers soul from hell.

It also strikes me that Dean is one heck of a hypocrite seeing as way back in season 2 he stated that 'what's dead should stay dead' and, given the fact it was in reference to him being on death's door and Papa Winchester trading his soul you'd think he would have a measure of understanding about Sam's feelings.

Its about time they were BOTH honest with each other, even if it is brutally painful and I hope we get to see more of it and not Dean's usual reaction which is to drown his feelings in bourbon.
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I am a very "think first" person, unlike Dean but in the big dilemma that you are presenting, I still don't get why you think Dean is wrong. Yes he loves his brother. He sacrificed everything in his life up to now. You say that he is brainwashed into protecting him from his father. But apart from that the only rock for Sam and Dean and the lives that they are living is eachother. If they do it together, they can go through it. I think it is simply like that. I mean they lost everything, family, friends, stability, chance for a pet, a partner. If they give up on this also, the last stand what is the point? Should their hunting life take 100% and not even leave 1% to them? Don't you do ANYTHING for your closest family? You do not kill kitties, murder children or burn villages, but you ask for help wherever you can find it. You say Sam should choose. You aslo say that clearly Sam is suicidal. When a loved one is depressed and suicidal you let them die? And ok if Dean was dying and a "good" at the time angel said he could help, Sam would say no? The only think that Dean has that was not taken from him is Sam, and of course he loves him more than anything. Is it selfish for him to try to keep him alive at any cost (again not kittens)? Sam on the other hand is a little "que sera sera" type. Remember when Dean told him that he never try to find in purgatory? Sam is like that (they are not identical), a bit cold sometimes. That's the way he is, but that is the way Dean is also.
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I switched it off pretty early because it looked like a boring standalone. Was it worth watching?
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Thanks guys. I will watch a few minutes at the end of the episode.
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The last two minutes of the episode was worth watching.
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There were feelings stuff that was worth it just watch like the last 5 or 10 minutes for Sam and Deans brotherly drama. The episode outside of that, the monster wasn't that interesting they let her go and for a monster of the week was boring for me.
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This recent love for monsters might be a way to promote the new Supernatural spin-off. Next thing to see is a leviathan gone good. This show is turning fast into all other supernatural tv shows. It's a franchise now.
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Grr. Snooki. I'm really hoping she ends up like Paris. Not my favorite episode, but it's really a lesson on what Dean thinks about himself and his priorities. Sam's really are different, and while they're not anywhere near normal it'll hopefully stop this cycle of sacrifice on Dean's part, but I've got bad feelings about what it'll mean for Sam, especially with the Cain mark.
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Snookie?...Really? I mean, I'm one that's always wanted to see her get killed, but the thought that she's getting paid for her appearance and it might lead to more future screen time in other productions saddens me to no end.
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The fish tacos were an interesting monster. Mostly because it wasn't really a monster it was more of a symbiotic organisms . They feed on fat, some fat people want to lose weight. That seems like a win win. I don't understand the want to kill from Dean, but it makes me wonder if that was him or if it was more the sign of Cain. I mean that is going to have some side effects, right? Please let it have some fun side effects.

The rest of episode was just kind of same ol same ol. A decent stand alone episode.

Questions.

It is pudding. Everyone likes pudding.

Sam's fanny pack was as hilarious as Dean's hair net.

And the Fish Taco line was the line of the episode.
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I have to admit I went into this with the "Doctor Who" episode "Partners In Crime" in my head but that comparison was exploded when the first victim died. All and all an enjoyable episode but I had to watch it on the CW site and was annoyed by a couple of things: (1) they placed an ad right in the middle of the Sam/monster of the week fight (the bad guy pins Sam with a shelf and says something about the fat making them strong and bam ads. It comes back and Sam replies to his statement. (2) Dean cuts the sucker thing off the monster and we see it laying there dying then suddenly they're in another room. Very jarring. Also, not sure why she couldn't keep the spa up. She apparently had a really solid track record and she was helping people. Also, loved the very "Fargo"-style lady sheriff. Gotta find a way to use her again. :)
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anyone else find it kinda or erotic how she was sucking the fat out? or was it just me? im getting tired of dean always wanting to kill the good monsters, so im wondering if the more good monsters we see is a lead up somehow to the spin off? also i dont know what it was but there was something hot about the lady cop
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It seems that every episode has a heart-breaking conversation at the end, but it's true, some things have to be said. Their relationship has been messed up, but after everything they've been through for so many seasons, how could it be normal? Ok, I get Dean wants to save Sam no matter what and is so protective towards him, (older siblings tend to do that, I know, I am one) but it's about time he realizes that Sam's life is Sam's life and not his and if Sam is in danger again, maybe Dean should be prepared to let him go. Sure it's hard, but sometimes people die and stay dead and Dean must stop sacrificing everything for Sam's sake.
Of course they can never stop helping each other but no more going to hell, purgatory or anywhere else and doing the most extreme sacrifices for each other (actually Dean usually does most of this). Those things happened again and again, they were very interesting and useful for the storyline and now their relationship has to get a little more mature finally, I mean, c'mon, they can't keep bringing each other back from the dead forever! Sam might seem hard now, but he gets that and he tries to make Dean get it too.
And maybe if all this thing is resolved they'll manage to have a healthier relationship. You know, two brothers that will love and always be there for each other but without any supernatural solutions whenever danger appears and even ready to accept the loss if it happens at some point, no matter how hard it might be.
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All I could think about the monsters this week were human versions of Doctor Who's adipose!!!
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I started out that way but pretty quickly forgot all about it. The stories start from the same point but got to totally different places by different paths.
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I won't pick sides. However, I will say that Sam proved last season that he won't do what Dean did when he spent a year being normal instead of looking for him. So, what he said at the end wasn't too surprising. Also, Sam basically spent most of the series trying to get away from his family, so now he sees nothing good about it anymore.


Dean is adrift, though.
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Didn't Dean do that once too, though? When Sam went soulless... Dean went off, found Lisa and Ben and stayed with them in a domestic life. He didn't try to bring Sam back.
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I pretty sure Dean did try. But couldn't save him. If my memory is correct.

Sam also tried to save Dean when he was in hell. But Sam could find a way either to bring him back.
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Yeah, but that was because he thought Sam was gone. He did admit later that he spent some time trying to find a way to save him but couldn't find one and when he found out Sam was back Dean was torn on what to do. In both cases the writers kind of blundered to my way of thinking.
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He tried, but he was unsuccessful.
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I really loved your last thoughtful paragraphs. Kinda puts it all in perspective, re. the writing and viewers and ... yeah, all of it. Now, we get to listen to two weeks of Sam-bashing until SNOOKIE? I'd prefer to wax contemplative on Crowley in a robe with an empty champagne glass, weeping.
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Crowley weeping should be really interesting. Two possibilities I can think of. He's lost the "election" to Abaddon,,,or he's being affected again by the partial cure from last season. He doesn't seem the type who would cry over permanently losing control of hell,,,I think it would just make him more determined to kill Abaddon. So I'm going with the partial cure possibility.
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We only get hints of Crowley's backstory, but I'm willing to bet that he was a very lonely guy when he was human. His emotional breakdown of how he just wanted to be loved and the deal he originally made to extend his penis by 3 inches probably meant he was in love with someone who didn't love him back, and he spent his life trying to impress this person. (I don't know if this person is a man or woman, though. On one hand he had a SON, on the other hand he's kissed more men than women on the show and all his taunts to the brothers and Cas have double entendres.)
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The Sam haters are out in full force. Now SPN takes a couple weeks off because of the winter olympics. Should be interesting when it comes back. It looks like the Bat Cave is haunted. How would that even be possible? And it looks like Crowley is having some kind of breakdown. Maybe it's the partial cure from last season affecting him.
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I liked the episode, it was set up like your standard monster of the week and then we get to the end and...BLAM. Sam hits Dean with a HARD truth. I am not going to hate on Sam for what he said to Dean, because it is the truth, whether people want to believe it or not. Dean CAN'T be without Sam (or he won't - I don't care that he was living with Lisa and Ben after Sam went into the pit, he wasn't TRULY happy because that is a life he believes he doesn't deserve), but Sam has shown that he CAN be without Dean (not searching for him when he was in Purgatory, though to be honest he had NO IDEA where he was so I don't know how he could have found him anyway). There was a time when Sam would be willing to do anything to save Dean (when Dean sold his soul to bring Sam back) but I think after everything they have gone through Sam has reached the point where even HE can see how unhealthy that is. I won't knock Dean for always protecting his little brother, but there comes a time when you need to realize your actions are not helping anyone but yourself. His actions are both selfish and selfless, and because he doesn't always tell people what is going on the consequences end up being horrendous (tricking Sam not to give in to death and then putting Gadreel in him and Kevin's death are some examples). I love Dean, and I absolutely LOVE the relationship between the brothers (one of the best on TV in my opinion), so I hope these problems get resolved soon, but I also think Dean needs to take a LONG HARD look at himself and for ONCE do what is BEST for HIM.
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Even Bobby said it was wrong for Sam not to have looked for him. There is a difference between letting your brother die for the greater good and leaving him to suffer in constant torment or exist in constant threat. While I think Dean was definitely wrong and selfish in tricking Sam, and both were foolish in stopping the trials at the crucial moment, Sam was equally selfish is not looking for Dean. He wanted nothing to ruin his happy little new life, and while that is fine, I don't think one thing should be at the expense of another's suffering.
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But Sam didn't KNOW where Dean was so how could he look for him. Everyone says that Sam didn't even try but as quickreaver said below he had NO idea where Dean was. He literally vanished in front of his eyes. You can take what Bobby said with a grain of salt because when Sam was brought back from the cage he didn't say ONE WORD to Dean for a year and he KNEW that Sam was alive. How is it okay for Dean to have a happy life but Sam is wrong for trying to do the same? We know Dean was his favorite (he admitted as much) but you can't say it is okay for one to have a happy life but not the other. But like I said I love both guys, and both of them are a complete mess - they both need to deal with their shit. I think that is pretty much what Sam is saying - stop doing EVERYTHING for me and do things for YOURSELF (he just could have worded it a little better). Dean's focus has always been Sam, and brother or not - that is NOT HEALTHY. Still love them both though!
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I never said it was wrong from Sam to want a happy, normal life. Nor would I. At this point, I think both of them deserve it. But, and maybe this is just me going from how I, personally, would handle the situation, I can't see how either of them could exist not knowing what happened to the other. If they died, and tried to move on, that would be one thing. But to have them vanish mysteriously to some unknown place or be condemned to suffer for all eternity in Lucifer's Cage, is something else entirely. I wouldn't be able to live with that. I know Sam didn't know, but I don't believe there weren't ways to find out with the whole supernatural world to explore. As selfish as Dean is somewhat motivated, I still admire the way he couldn't live a normal life without worrying about Sam's torment and trying everything he could to rescue Sam from the cage on the side for a while. I'm not defending one over the other, I agree with both sides. As the comment below wisely said, they are both messes and interestingly so. If Sam wants a normal life, that's more than okay, but why not go and have one now that Dean in the world, alive and (as) well (as Dean) can be, with Cas to support him as strong back-up.
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I can agree with that.
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Yeah, because clearly, Sam was living a happy little new life in Texas. *cough* Sam had no clue where Dean was when Dick exploded him into Purgatory (no double entendre intended, I swear!); Dean could've been in Heaven, for all Sam knew.

What Sam focused upon was "What's dead should stay dead." Every time the brothers brought each other back, bad stuff happened. (The one glaring exception was in 'Time After Time', when Dean was whisked to the 1040's. Sam scrambled to bring Dean back at that point, but my theory is that's because he actually saw Dean blip away magically with the monster and had something to go on. When Dick blew up--okay, it never gets old--everybody just vaporized.)

Personally, I don't think it's selfish to live with the pain of your brother's memory. It wasn't like Sam went "Oh well, out of sight, out of mind." Dean realized, for instance, he CAN'T live with the memory of his brother's death and therefore will do anything--ANYTHING--to prevent Sam from leaving him. Even if Sam is ready to die.

Both guys are a mess. An interesting mess.
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I don't disagree with you.
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I agree quickreaver.
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I can't with you people actually defeating Dean on this one. I've had it with his lousy "you are my brother, I have to protect you". Can't he for once see the bigger picture? Sam said himself that he was ready to die (and not just because of his selfish reasons, but for the greater good) and yet Dean still stopped him from completing the trials. This only proves Sam's point, that every time Dean saves him, it's because he doesn't want to be alone. I remember, back in May when the last episode aired, I was pissed af at Dean and his stupidity for the exact same reasons Sam was in this episode. I'm happy that my point was proven. Dean needs to get his shit together - all he ever does is eat, drink and whine about all the problems there are, and occasionally screwing the situation even more by saving Sam, who's trying to restore it! Genius!
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You say this like Sam has never screwed things up and made things worse. He released Lucifer, despite all warnings against the path he was taking. At least Dean has good, albeit it misguided and unhealthy, intentions, in saving Sam. Sam's world-ending mistakes are brought on by vendettas and power hunger or addictions. Both have failed to see the bigger picture in their time. Both have made mistakes. I am not defending Dean, but nothing only ever has one point of view, I am merely attempting to see both. Sam was ready to die when in a coma, yes, but Dean didn't force him to stop the trials. At the end, he chose to stop. In that case, both were foolish. In terms of the angel, yes, Dean tricked him and that was wrong beyond doubt. But though he was willing to die, Sam said yes to letting Dean help him live, though he didn't realise it was an angel he was saying yes to. I think Sam might be driven a little by his own guilt in the things he says.
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Oh, and the thing about the monsters. It was the right thing to do, when they left her alive. She didn't kill anyone - the person responsible for the deaths got what he deserved. I see no reason to kill her, just because she is a monster. As Sam said (again I'm with him on this one), they may hunt monsters, but they still have hearts. Killing her was exactly the thing soulless Sam would do - and I thought he was the worst, based on what season 6 was about?
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-Also how dear they give us an episode where Sam is acting as a personal trainer but no shirtless scene, lolz.(i watch too much teen wolf)
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It has been WAY too long since the last shirtless scene, though!
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The last few minutes of this episode were like a punch to the gut, but I'm not sure I completely understand all the Sam hate going around now. Like the recaper, I felt he had a lot valid points; however, the way the writers wrote the dialogue did make him sound like a jerk, and I'm kind of peeved about that - it's as if they were trying to initiate more bro-woes rather than bring about a resolution.

From my point of view, Sam wasn't saying he wouldn't go to any measure to save Dean's life because we have proof that this isn't the case. Both Winchesters have done stupid, dangerous things to keep the other safe. I think what Sam meant was he wouldn't have done what Dean did in THIS situation.

Unlike when he was killed by Jake or jumped into the Pit, Sam was ready and willing to die this time. And instead of letting him, Dean tricked him into living. He used his little brother's trust and love to trick him into letting an angel take over his body, which ultimately led to Kevin's death. And I know Dean acted with the best intentions, and I DON'T fault him for that; yet that doesn't make his actions any less wrong. It's like if someone on life support had a will that said they'd want the plug to be pulled, and then someone else disregarded their wishes.

After all the Apocalypse crap, possessions, and destiny dictating his life since he was six-months-old, the last thing Sam wants is to not feel in control of his life. Which is what Dean took away when he made the decision for him - his choice, his free will. And if you recall, that was a pretty big deal a few seasons back.

Also, the part about Dean being selfish struck me as Sam saying that Dean was willing to give his life or soul so long as HE wasn't the one left behind. He left Sam guilty and alone when he went to Hell on his behalf; and while his motives were understandable, Sam had to live with his brother's death for a year. I think what he was trying to convey was that it's selfish of Dean to think him dying to save Sam is okay while Sam dying isn't.

So I hate the way Sam said it, but it needed to be said. I love the Winchesters best when they're a happy, bromantic team so I hope this issue gets resolved. Soon. But picking sides and hating on one brother doesn't make much sense to me. In my mind, they've both made bad decisions with good intentions and they both love each other. The difference is that while Dean is willing to sacrifice anything for his brother's wellbeing, Sam would respect his brother's decision if he was ever ready to die.
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Well said!
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"After all the Apocalypse crap, possessions, and destiny dictating his life since he was six-months-old, the last thing Sam wants is to not feel in control of his life. Which is what Dean took away when he made the decision for him - his choice, his free will."


EXCELLENT point! And I don't understand all the Sam hatred by some in here, either. Both brothers have done things that have made me angry at them and wanted to scream at the tv at them, but I have never hated either one of them.
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So, Sam is about ready to sacrifice himself to close hell, but Dean talks him out of it. To me, Sam had changed his mind about being ready to die. The next thing we know, Sam is unconscious. WE saw inside Sam's head that he was ready to die, but Dean was not aware of this. I suppose you could say that because Sam's body was failing, that that was a sign that he was ready to go. The cycle has to stop sometime.

Sam is not suicidal. What he is saying is do what you can to help me, and if Cass can't heal me, then you need to let me go.

I hope they get this patched up soon, too, and come to some kind of understanding.
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