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6th season should have never been made

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    libra113

    [122]Dec 5, 2010
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    sramv9 wrote:

    libra113 wrote:
    Again, not talking about you specifically. I'm talking about thoes (and they are out there) who condemed the new season before even a single script was written or filmed. I REALLY blame it on Kripke for running his fat mouth about how anything beyond season five would automaticlly stink and thus pre-programming some fans to reject anything new on principle. I really wish he had just shut up about that stuff or never said anything at all.


    I suppose if you focus on the original poster's assertion that 'season six should never have been made' you could project that framing onto the critical-of-show posts and interpret them as saying yay or nay to that original comment.


    But I think the discussion is not so much about that as it is about what many see as the decline of the show as evidenced by the season six episodes to date (or contrary view as the case may be).


    Fair enough. Just seems to me a lot of critism I've seen falls into two catogories: (1) the don't like change crowd who want the show to go back to the way it was when it first started with Sam and Dean being all buddy buddy close brothers and fighting urban legend/ monster of the week type evil things and all that jazz. Sorry, it's not going to happen. The show moved on from that a long time ago and to single out this season as the point it all went off track is wrong. Sam and Dean are going to have issues and tension and not get along from here on out, nothing can ever erase all the lies and the betrayal that went on and they're never going to see eye to eye on what happened before or the soul thing now, that's just the way it is. (2)The kind that point at specific things going on and take issue with them. Sometimes they have a point (and sometimes I even agree) but other times it's not REALLY any diffrent than what they've done before (how is Cas watching porn any diffrent that Dean dragging him to a brothel to get laid) they just don't like it anymore because it's season six and if the exact same thing had happened before they would have eaten it up with a spoon.

    I would never attempt to stiffle legimate critisms (espically given how much the writers read the posts and sometimes react accordingly) but stuff like "never should have made a season six" and "this is just bad" aren't really helpful.

    All I gotta say is the ratings are holding and/or improving and I've heard many times that season seven is a done deal so buckle up there's much more coming.
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    libra113

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    sramv9 wrote:
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    how is Cas watching porn any diffrent that Dean dragging him to a brothel to get laid) they just don't like it anymore because it's season six and if the exact same thing had happened before they would have eaten it up with a spoon.



    Maybe it's just me, but I find jokes funnier the first time they're told... also, a little subtlety in humour is a good thing - I think they've lost sight of that principle, and I'd point to that scene as a perfect illustration.
    It's not the same joke, it's expanding on the theme.
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    libra113

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    I thought it was funny. It wasn't intended to be super funny or anything but it's always amusing when Cas is confused by our world and it's ways.

    Also, I gotta say to have the attitude that once they do a sex joke they can't do one ever again is kind of odd since they have ALWAYS repeated jokes. How many times has Dean kidded Sam about masterbation I lost count.
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    basenji529

    [127]Dec 6, 2010
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    I would've liked for Cas to be more innocent, unaware of good and evil. Maybe have him mention, after going to the brothel, that he didn't get why humans are so uptight about this.


    Granted, in Cas's case, I'm not sure if an angelic-possessed human/normal human pairingsproduce people or nephilim.

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    JoshSutton

    [128]Dec 6, 2010
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    I wouldn't mind this season if it felt the same, say A weekend at Bobby's for example i absolutely LOVED. It felt like Supernatural even with the current storylines going on.

    Edited on 12/06/2010 11:34am
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    [130]Dec 13, 2010
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    JoshSutton wrote:

    I wouldn't mind this season if it felt the same, say A weekend at Bobby's for example i absolutely LOVED. It felt like Supernatural even with the current storylines going on.



    It did too, but I suppose it worked well because they had alot of interesting characters and it had a little bit of a ensmble show feel. Bobby's interactions with all those characters was what made it fun for me. Maybe thats something the shows missing, a lack of supporting cast. We only really have what Dean, Sam, Bobby and Cas. As one thing I've disliked is the constant killings of characters.
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    libra113

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    tvtome_xena321 wrote:
    JoshSutton wrote:

    I wouldn't mind this season if it felt the same, say A weekend at Bobby's for example i absolutely LOVED. It felt like Supernatural even with the current storylines going on.



    It did too, but I suppose it worked well because they had alot of interesting characters and it had a little bit of a ensmble show feel. Bobby's interactions with all those characters was what made it fun for me. Maybe thats something the shows missing, a lack of supporting cast. We only really have what Dean, Sam, Bobby and Cas. As one thing I've disliked is the constant killings of characters.
    Yeah, I would say one mistake the show made from day one was putting such a tight focus on Sam and Dean and not having more characters all along.

    Think they should have had a wider stable of characters that Sam and Dean grew up with and new really well (like Bobby) and introduced them here and there throughout season one. If they had introduced say a handfull and killed of a couple that would have been just as dramatic and given them more people to work with down the road.

    I also STILL think it was a mistake making Jo and Ellen strangers to the guys when they could have know Ellen just as well as Bobby and still not know WHY they stopped going to her place (I doubt John would have told his children what happened even if they DID know Ellen and Jo well).

    Also characters like Missouri and the doctor we saw this past episode should have made earlier and more frequent appearances from the start. I also think it would have been a nice touch if they had a pool of people they helped in the pass who would repay their help by giving them food, shelter, etc... from time to time so we could get a good look at the lives John, Dean and Sam have touched over the years.

    Still, I guess they picked the path they did because, at it's core, the show IS Sam and Dean their relationship and other characters would just clutter it all up too much and this late in the game it's too late to change the format so this is what we have.
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    grissomsidle

    [132]Dec 14, 2010
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    libra113 wrote:
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    Wow! I am sorry we lost some people. I've walked away from shows before like Smallville, CSI (the original) and um if there's more I don't remember. I am pretty sure I stuck with Nash Bridges until the end. We all have our reasons for doing it and as being someone who hasn't walked away from this one it's different being on this side. It's sad people have lost interest. Season 4 was a solid and great season at least it was for me. Season 5 had it's up and downs. This season well...it's an interesting and enjoyable ride thus far. As for Fringe, I am in the process of catching up. Or rather watching the show at all. I mean I've made my way through season 1 and am waiting for Season 2 to arrive via the mail from Walmart. com I plan on watching the rest after that like online or something. Fringe is fantastic. Supernatural is still my #1 with Bones coming 2nd. Hmmm...I suppose Fringe takes 3rd place then.
    Well, I've given up on shows before (useally because a favorite character is axed or they shake up the show to get better ratings or to keep it 'fresh') but I'm FAR from giving up on "Superntural" and, aside from "Exile on Main Street" I've loved the new season. As for "Fringe" I was lukewarm on the first season (and Walter drives me batty, that kind of thing is only amusing for a short peroid of time then it's old), the second season was up against "Supernatural" and didn't have a chance in my house. Tried to catch up on the thrid season but it was too much and I just didn't care enough to put out the effort so I've moved on.


    Yeah, I never looked at Fringe last year really. I saw previews for it during Bones but like you said it was up against Supernatural so it didn't have a prayers chances of being watched or anything. I can understand leaving because a favorite character is gone. I did that with CSI. I can see how Walter could drive people batty or rather you as said.

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    libra113

    [133]Dec 14, 2010
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    Yeah 'delightful excentricity' only goes so far and when it becomes what the character is all about the character becomes a one trick pony.
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    grissomsidle

    [135]Dec 15, 2010
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    sramv9 wrote:
    I can understand not liking a character and tuning out on that basis, but if you do that, you're probably then not well qualified to assess the depth, richness and artistry of the character development and actor's performance.

    Walter is a very complex and multifaceted character with an extraordinary and detailed backstory which creates fascinating issues and challenges in his relationships and endeavours. There is a reason why so many Fringe fans love him and think John Noble should have received an emmy (nomination at least!).


    Yes, I simply love Walter as well . Pretty much love the rest of the cast as well. Fringe really is a wonderful show.
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    gizem_aksoy

    [136]Dec 15, 2010
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    i think they've ruined the show with season 6. there was an amazing storyline in the first 5 seasons, everything was connected to each other but i can't say the same for season 6. of course i'm gonna watch it anyway but it is not the same.

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    basenji529

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    Fans realize something Eric Kripke does not, that robust, multimillion-dollar franchies, while seemingly healthy, are actually as fragile as two bricks held together with tissue paper. One mistake, one bad mis-step will cause the entire thing to shatter and fall apart; and Supernatural would be ruined forever


    Fortunately, there is hope. The Supernatural fanbase has resolved to remain ever vigilant against something that could Ruin Supernatural Forever, and call out a warning if they see something that could potentially do so.


    Some Supernatural conservations suggest a more extreme approach, that Supernatural franchise should abandon all attempts at re-invention and instead cater exclusively to old-school fans. Though attractive, this approach may prove impractical as a long-term solution.


    Ruined Forever remains a serious threat to Supernatural now and in the foreseeable future, though it's possible a proposed initiative requiring all Supernatural fans to purchase an annual "plastic offset" could ensure our brand's existence through the mid-21st century.


    Things that have Ruined Supernatural Forever in the past:


    Perverts
    Old Yellow Eyes' death
    Lisa, and virtually every other female character of note
    Death of virtually every female character of note
    Dean's death
    The Apocalypse
    Trickster is an ANGEL?
    Sam's death
    Sam coming back
    Adam


    In other words, pretty much everything.

    Edited on 12/15/2010 7:20am
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    libra113

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    sramv9 wrote:
    I can understand not liking a character and tuning out on that basis, but if you do that, you're probably then not well qualified to assess the depth, richness and artistry of the character development and actor's performance.

    Walter is a very complex and multifaceted character with an extraordinary and detailed backstory which creates fascinating issues and challenges in his relationships and endeavours. There is a reason why so many Fringe fans love him and think John Noble should have received an emmy (nomination at least!).
    Well now hold on, I didn't mean to insult. All I was saying was that I watched the show for the entire first season and while I liked it I wasn't overlly excited about it. I kinda liked Walter but the whole 'delightful excentrencity" this just wore kinda thin. I will say the only saving grace of what I saw of the third season (before realizing I was hopeless lost and gave up) was the other world version who was mentally stable (if ruthless). I dunno, maybe it's just not for me or maybe I would feel diffrently if I had watched season two as well but it was opposite "Supernatural" so I had no choice but to miss it.
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    libra113

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    gizem_aksoy wrote:

    i think they've ruined the show with season 6. there was an amazing storyline in the first 5 seasons, everything was connected to each other but i can't say the same for season 6. of course i'm gonna watch it anyway but it is not the same.

    Isn't it a bit early to assume that the new elements we've seen don't also all interconnect (espcially if the stuff I've heard about season seven being a done deal are true). Seems people are being far too quick to judge without all the facts being in just yet.
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    libra113

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    basenji529 wrote:

    Fans realize something Eric Kripke does not, that robust, multimillion-dollar franchies, while seemingly healthy, are actually as fragile as two bricks held together with tissue paper. One mistake, one bad mis-step will cause the entire thing to shatter and fall apart; and Supernatural would be ruined forever


    Fortunately, there is hope. The Supernatural fanbase has resolved to remain ever vigilant against something that could Ruin Supernatural Forever, and call out a warning if they see something that could potentially do so.


    Some Supernatural conservations suggest a more extreme approach, that Supernatural franchise should abandon all attempts at re-invention and instead cater exclusively to old-school fans. Though attractive, this approach may prove impractical as a long-term solution.


    Ruined Forever remains a serious threat to Supernatural now and in the foreseeable future, though it's possible a proposed initiative requiring all Supernatural fans to purchase an annual "plastic offset" could ensure our brand's existence through the mid-21st century.


    Things that have Ruined Supernatural Forever in the past:


    Perverts
    Old Yellow Eyes' death
    Lisa, and virtually every other female character of note
    Death of virtually every female character of note
    Dean's death
    The Apocalypse
    Trickster is an ANGEL?
    Sam's death
    Sam coming back
    Adam


    In other words, pretty much everything.

    But that's just it. To YOU thoes things were bad. To others they were not. There are very few (if any) points on which EVERYONE agrees that such and such event was bad or not.

    Perverts? Don't remember that one at all.

    Old Yellow Eyes' Death? Had to happen they couldn't chase that white whale for ever it would have gotten old fast. In the old days the show would have been totally based on that and they wouldn't have killed him until the end of the series but it's not the old days anymore and killing him off and moving on to something else was a brave and, I feel, sucsessful move.

    Lisa I agree with (hate her), I also wasn't a fan of Jo and Ellen but they were easy fixes and the idea of a femal major character (done right) wouldn't be a bad thing.

    Ok, you can't have it both way. If the women themselves were a mistake then they have to be killed off, if killing them off is bad then what? I would have rather they fixed Jo and Ellen but I don't know they could.

    Dean's death HAD to happen. The whole demon deal storyline would have been for nothing if he hadn't died and gone to Hell.

    The apocalypse was a good storyline, just couldn't carry it through properly on their budget. Kinda wouldn't have minded if they had gone through with it and had this season be like "The End".

    The Trickster is an angel thing I DO agree with, I especially have issue with it since it didn't have to be done to tell the story and could so easily be reveresed if they just would.

    Sam's death was, like Dean's, neccisary to the story. It would have taken a lot of the bite out of the story if they had defeated Lucifer without a major sacrifice. True it was undermined by the fact that he and Dean both have frequent death miles and never seem to die forever like normal people but it's too late to do anything about that now. Sam HAD to come back the Sam girls would have been furious if he hadn't.

    Adam, I had my issues at first but they did a great job tying it into the whole Micheal's vessle thing so it didn't seem so random and pointless. Aside from that I would have done the story so that the whole thing was a trick by the Ghouls and while there really was an Adam he wasn't John's son but hey their way works too, except for now makeing Dean look like a selfish jerk that he doesn't seem to care too much about Adam's fate, but again Dean has always put Sam first before anyone even himself so it shouldn't be a major suprise.
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