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lachlan_j_g wrote:

again, you need to watch the final episode of season 5 where a very relaxed Chuck (completely different to his normal character traits) finishes his drink, smiles and then vanishes. prophets don't do that. the evidence that he was God is incontrovertible.

RichardCarlso wrote:

It could be that the task God had for him was finished and God simply removed him. Just because he smiles and disappears doesn't mean he was God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxIybIuNplg less than 30 seconds in. need any more evidence?

Edited on 05/19/2012 8:35pm

lachlan_j_g wrote:

again, you need to watch the final episode of season 5 where a very relaxed Chuck (completely different to his normal character traits) finishes his drink, smiles and then vanishes. prophets don't do that. the evidence that he was God is incontrovertible.

RichardCarlso wrote:

It could be that the task God had for him was finished and God simply removed him. Just because he smiles and disappears doesn't mean he was God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxIybIuNplg less than 30 seconds in. need any more evidence?

lachlan_j_g wrote:

again, you need to watch the final episode of season 5 where a very relaxed Chuck (completely different to his normal character traits) finishes his drink, smiles and then vanishes. prophets don't do that. the evidence that he was God is incontrovertible.

RichardCarlso wrote:

It could be that the task God had for him was finished and God simply removed him. Just because he smiles and disappears doesn't mean he was God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxIybIuNplg less than 30 seconds in. need any more evidence?

Just when I thought everyone understood and accepted that Mother was an intentional misdirection all along. I guess some people never will. Nothing is unkillable it's just a matter of working out HOW and without that tablet AND someone to read it they would never have done that.

I get Mother was a red herring. I also liked a lot of the stuff they did with the season. 'The man who would be king' is one of my favourite episodes and soulless Sam was amazing. However, they held off on the twist a bit too long. It should have happened sooner because as it stands it really felt like they had these two really great story lines but they couldn't figure out which one to write so they both and air them at random. The whole Death and monsters hinting at something bigger going on was good, but it was TOO subtle and sometimes 3-4 eps went by that was only MOTHER MOTHER MOTHER. It was just an awkward shift and came a bit late so they couldn't develop the other story very well at the end in my opinion.

Season 7's ending was just blah. It was one of those ending where the show knows it will be back so lets just set up for next season.

Just when I thought everyone understood and accepted that Mother was an intentional misdirection all along. I guess some people never will. Nothing is unkillable it's just a matter of working out HOW and without that tablet AND someone to read it they would never have done that.

I know this, however assuming that John did know where Yellow Eyes was going with his plan, how could he have possibly known exactly when the gate was going to open? Also given that Alistair himself tortured John for 100 years in Hell time, everyday he would rack him up and slice him to ribbons, when did John ever have the chance to escape, and find his way to the devils gate? If so how would he have known where the opening was going to be once down in the pit? One thing that could explain this once John wouldn't break, they simply let him go once Dean punched his ticket on the one way, they didnt need John anymore though and they simply told him where the gate would be, that would be dumb too, why would a Demon let go of John for his son, torturing daddy would have made Dean break easier.

Ok here's a show that dropped at least one whole plot line in favor of another without any satisfying conclusion, the Angel Civil War ends abruptly and all those weapons of heaven that Cas and Balthazar had been collecting dropped retconned for this miserable leviathan plot, that face it went nowhere. Balthazar if you can remember was hired by Cas to round up all the weapons of heaven so he could use them in his fight against Raphael. We even had two stand alone episodes that focused on them. Well after a while now it's souls that Cas needs not weapons. Maybe Raph's forces were too strong for weapons or whatever it's not explained just time to focus on this new plan. The souls, now in "the Man Who Would Be King" Cas reveals in flashback that he was working for the souls the ENTIRE time. So that whole weapons arc totally f-ing useless. So if this Angel war weapon plot was dropped then so can John and Mary. It's not that Sam and Dean are on a quest to find their parents souls or anything. Most fans probably had forgotten them unless they rewatch the episodes constantly, to me I dont really care much what happened to them, if they show up in Purgatory that's cool another story resolved if not I wouldnt lose any sleep about it.

No I'm not sensitive. I even said I would have thought the scene better if she were in a bikini or her bra and panties, there was really no reason for her to change clothes from pink to brown, to make that scene effective. If they thought of her as cattle who cares what she looked like or was dressed as. IT was only written as an excuse to give Kevin something to escape with and find out the leviathan's half n half formula, which as I said was pointless, because when Sam rescued him and they ran to the lab, where the formula is Dean and Cas were already there for the final showdown. Ok now take into account Kevin had no idea Dick was in the lab at that time, the dress portion still a waste of paper it was printed on. Kevin was in a office and offices have paper clips, lots of them ever occur to him to use a paper clip, also Sera could have written Paulina so the bobby pin was in her hair so once again the changing of her dress bit still uneccesary especially if the Leviathan thought of her only as cattle.

Sam when into the cage (which is somewhere in Hell) both body and soul so it's possible to travel there physical. Don't know how (if at all) that changes things but I guess we're going to see.

I know this, however assuming that John did know where Yellow Eyes was going with his plan, how could he have possibly known exactly when the gate was going to open? Also given that Alistair himself tortured John for 100 years in Hell time, everyday he would rack him up and slice him to ribbons, when did John ever have the chance to escape, and find his way to the devils gate? If so how would he have known where the opening was going to be once down in the pit? One thing that could explain this once John wouldn't break, they simply let him go once Dean punched his ticket on the one way, they didnt need John anymore though and they simply told him where the gate would be, that would be dumb too, why would a Demon let go of John for his son, torturing daddy would have made Dean break easier.

Ok here's a show that dropped at least one whole plot line in favor of another without any satisfying conclusion, the Angel Civil War ends abruptly and all those weapons of heaven that Cas and Balthazar had been collecting dropped retconned for this miserable leviathan plot, that face it went nowhere. Balthazar if you can remember was hired by Cas to round up all the weapons of heaven so he could use them in his fight against Raphael. We even had two stand alone episodes that focused on them. Well after a while now it's souls that Cas needs not weapons. Maybe Raph's forces were too strong for weapons or whatever it's not explained just time to focus on this new plan. The souls, now in "the Man Who Would Be King" Cas reveals in flashback that he was working for the souls the ENTIRE time. So that whole weapons arc totally f-ing useless. So if this Angel war weapon plot was dropped then so can John and Mary. It's not that Sam and Dean are on a quest to find their parents souls or anything. Most fans probably had forgotten them unless they rewatch the episodes constantly, to me I dont really care much what happened to them, if they show up in Purgatory that's cool another story resolved if not I wouldnt lose any sleep about it.

No I'm not sensitive. I even said I would have thought the scene better if she were in a bikini or her bra and panties, there was really no reason for her to change clothes from pink to brown, to make that scene effective. If they thought of her as cattle who cares what she looked like or was dressed as. IT was only written as an excuse to give Kevin something to escape with and find out the leviathan's half n half formula, which as I said was pointless, because when Sam rescued him and they ran to the lab, where the formula is Dean and Cas were already there for the final showdown. Ok now take into account Kevin had no idea Dick was in the lab at that time, the dress portion still a waste of paper it was printed on. Kevin was in a office and offices have paper clips, lots of them ever occur to him to use a paper clip, also Sera could have written Paulina so the bobby pin was in her hair so once again the changing of her dress bit still uneccesary especially if the Leviathan thought of her only as cattle.

Was it stated somewhere this season that God could not destroy the Leviathan and that's the reason why he built purgatory? I could be wrong but I thought it was said somewhere. OPnce again if wrong I apologize for the error

Cas was still an Angel, he just had a hell of a lot of Power from the Leviathans and the other souls of Purgatory. Death said so himself Cas was not a god. Ok take this into account Raph and Cas were scrambling to find heaven's arsenal, whoever had the most weapons won the war, he even chased the boys throughout parallel universes to grab the key that would open the door the weapons were s tored in. At least that's what Raph thought. Prior to that Raph's former vessel was disintegrated into salt. Now it's been said the only way to kill an angel is with the blade, or by destroying the meat suit. It was also assumed that the weapons could kill Angels, why else would Raph want them so badly? So given that Raph was disintegrated by one of these weapons how is it he lived yet when his other meat suit was destroyed he died? I dont get that. It's a huge hole. Raphael was second in command along side Michael and he's one of the few who has seen God, so if that's true God could have told the few who have seen him Lucifer, Michael, Raphael, and Gabriel about the Leviathan's destructive nature and had he survived the second meat suit's demise he could have very well had laid low till the heat wore off.

So John escapes ok I'll buy that we've seen Sam and Dean evade capture and escape from devil's playgrounds, and nests so ok. However, I would imagine Hell is going to be a different place down under unless he knew exactly where he was going, "Ok when they took me I was facing east so I need to go west." It would have been hard to maneuver around. It's not like Hell has any road signs (at least I would assume not) that say devils gate Wyoming next right. The only thing I could figure is John found out Lilith was on her way out and followed her to her rondevu point and ept himself hidden which was probably hard as hell (hehheh) to do considering how many demos busted through that gate. That's thin however you look at it.

Well considering how everything plays out, in the end one would have to look in past episodes and explain all the holes throughout. If one was to watch the season unfold it's a mess, nothing of Souls or Cas' deception until "My Heart Will Go On" before that it was clearly Angel Weapons. Seriously If Cas was to put Balthazar on this lil ruse to keep him occupied explain Raph's interest in the weapons as well, cause I doubt he would have played into Cas's mindgame to let our special brother think he's doing good. It's a pretty weak plot overall.

Was it stated somewhere this season that God could not destroy the Leviathan and that's the reason why he built purgatory? I could be wrong but I thought it was said somewhere. OPnce again if wrong I apologize for the error

Cas was still an Angel, he just had a hell of a lot of Power from the Leviathans and the other souls of Purgatory. Death said so himself Cas was not a god. Ok take this into account Raph and Cas were scrambling to find heaven's arsenal, whoever had the most weapons won the war, he even chased the boys throughout parallel universes to grab the key that would open the door the weapons were s tored in. At least that's what Raph thought. Prior to that Raph's former vessel was disintegrated into salt. Now it's been said the only way to kill an angel is with the blade, or by destroying the meat suit. It was also assumed that the weapons could kill Angels, why else would Raph want them so badly? So given that Raph was disintegrated by one of these weapons how is it he lived yet when his other meat suit was destroyed he died? I dont get that. It's a huge hole. Raphael was second in command along side Michael and he's one of the few who has seen God, so if that's true God could have told the few who have seen him Lucifer, Michael, Raphael, and Gabriel about the Leviathan's destructive nature and had he survived the second meat suit's demise he could have very well had laid low till the heat wore off.

So John escapes ok I'll buy that we've seen Sam and Dean evade capture and escape from devil's playgrounds, and nests so ok. However, I would imagine Hell is going to be a different place down under unless he knew exactly where he was going, "Ok when they took me I was facing east so I need to go west." It would have been hard to maneuver around. It's not like Hell has any road signs (at least I would assume not) that say devils gate Wyoming next right. The only thing I could figure is John found out Lilith was on her way out and followed her to her rondevu point and ept himself hidden which was probably hard as hell (hehheh) to do considering how many demos busted through that gate. That's thin however you look at it.

Well considering how everything plays out, in the end one would have to look in past episodes and explain all the holes throughout. If one was to watch the season unfold it's a mess, nothing of Souls or Cas' deception until "My Heart Will Go On" before that it was clearly Angel Weapons. Seriously If Cas was to put Balthazar on this lil ruse to keep him occupied explain Raph's interest in the weapons as well, cause I doubt he would have played into Cas's mindgame to let our special brother think he's doing good. It's a pretty weak plot overall.

lachlan_j_g wrote:

again, you need to watch the final episode of season 5 where a very relaxed Chuck (completely different to his normal character traits) finishes his drink, smiles and then vanishes. prophets don't do that. the evidence that he was God is incontrovertible.

RichardCarlso wrote:

It could be that the task God had for him was finished and God simply removed him. Just because he smiles and disappears doesn't mean he was God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxIybIuNplg less than 30 seconds in. need any more evidence?

Sam when into the cage (which is somewhere in Hell) both body and soul so it's possible to travel there physical. Don't know how (if at all) that changes things but I guess we're going to see.

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