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    sinjaceheroes

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    RachelleMcAdams wrote:


    I cannot believe my eyes! Castiel is Lucifer?! I will not stand by and allow this character assassination of Satan to continue! Castiel is worse than Lucifer. First of all he's just a crappy copycat. Lucifer rebelled first, so there!


    Second, Lucifer has some principles and there are things he just won't do. I'm sure he could have vacuumed up all the souls of hell and became Godifer, but he didn't. Do you think Lucifer would let Crowley's cootied up soul go all up in his bidness? Don't think so. But not Castiel, he'll let anything in his butt.


    Third, Lucifer doesn't destroy souls like Castiel does, he corrupts them. But their corruption is ultimately their choice, they are not forced.


    Fourth, Lucifer doesn't stab people in the back. Castiel is a Stabby McBackerson.


    Fifth, Lucifer felt bad when he killed Gabriel even though Gabby rejected him and was gonna gank him from behind. Castiel didn't look at all upset or remorseful when he killed Rachel and Balty who had been on his side.


    Sixth, Lucifer was thoughtful enough to dress Sammy in a nice white suit. Meanwhile poor Jimmy is stuck wearing that stank trench coat for all eternity.


    Seventh, Even though he could of, Lucifer didn't grab Meg's face and slobber all over it like Cass did. In conclusion, Castiel is a smelly, pervy sociopath who wishes he were Lucifer. And to that Lucifer says "Beeyah please."



    Haha! I like this, my opinions:


    First: Castiel didn't rebel, because Raphael was not in charge of Heaven. Completely different.


    Second, Lucifer had no such principles. He was a stuck up little princess who deemed everything but angels dirt and putrid. Not even his own creation was good. So, he didn't become Godifer--bravo by the way, love your imagination--out of principles, but because he was a stuck up "beeyah".


    Third: Umm, if you mean Castiel killing demons and monsters, may I remind the dozens of demons Lucifer sacrificed to Death? O.o That wasn't corruption, that was an order--the same as "pulling the trigger". Whether or not, the demons did it out of "worship" has nothing to do with it. When Luci told them to say, "I give my soul" instead of "Give your souls, if you want" then it was no longer corruption, but murder-suicide.


    Fourth: Luci committed no backstabbing? .... .... .... ... ..... .. . He basically said he would kill all demons when he was done with the humans! If killing every single one of your creations isn't backstabbing, I don't know what is, dude!! xD


    Fifth: Well, ehh. Remember, here, Lucifer wasn't against the angels, he was FOR them. Yeah, some angels were against the idea of Lucifer, but they didn't actually go mano a mano with him, most significantly cause they didn't stand a freaking chance. xD With Castiel, the only THING after him were angels. He had to harden himself. To the point, he closed himself off from everyone but Dean. Cause let's get this right, Castiel doesn't consider Sam his "family" or "brother". He does Dean. He cares for Sam, because Dean cares for Sam. We have seen this again and again.


    Sixth: Blame this on Kripke! xD But yeah, hey, AT LEAST, he fixes the clothes every time they get bloody, torned, etc. No change of clothes, but Chuckdamn it, he does give the BEST dry cleaning in town!!


    Seventh: Again, this is nothing with principles, to Lucifer Meg was a simple insect under his shoe. You don't kiss insects. Or at least, I hope not. O.o Castiel on the other hand is still confused, has not had sex in millions of years and had gotten a woody from a porno like half an hour before. Give the guy a break, man! I mean, we are talking about a dude who brought up painful daddy issues with the first woman he was ever gonna lay with. xD Not the most suave of men, I should say.


    I liked this. xD Kudos, dude!

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    dpebbleson wrote:
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    Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention until I saw the post by Kitanishi. I agree with Kitanishi about Sam's wall. That was totally pointless. We were made to believe something truly drastic would happen when the wall crumbled, even Death warned Dean of that.

    And then we get all that chasing for more than twenty minutes, with Sam remembering everything, and then what? Nothing. He just lives with it. Meh. Much ado about nothing. I expected him to turn into some monster, or to go completely insane/mad/whatever. I read someone's justification that he's stronger than we thought, but you know, yeah, right... Why all the fuss.

    That's really the only serious qualm with the finale, how his wall crumbling didn't do anything to him.

    I'd like to add that the whole sequence in the dream-land was written and filmed rather well, and if it had some conclusion besides Sam's self-search for status quo, it would have been grand. The barmaid was truly great as well, for a moment I thought she was God.
    Don't you think we have yet to see the full extent of the effect of all that on Sam? I mean does it really all have to happen all at once? The longterm effects are still unknown.


    Yeah, I believe there'll be a posttraumatic stress, but given it was heralded as something TERRIBLE, the effects that we saw were just, well, not terrible at all. He'll get terrible nightmares, that's for sure, but he won't turn into a monster, an evil creature, a psychiatric case, or whatever we speculated here about.
    Maybe, or maybe we just haven't gotten that far yet. There was a lot going on and we didn't see post coma Sam enough to be sure what he's head is going to be like.

    I suspect we haven't heard the last of this and that things will break bad.

    Of course it's also possible that Cas took it easy on him and that things would have been a LOT worse if Sam's wall had broken on it's own.
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    dpebbleson wrote:
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    Kitanishi wrote:
    Oh but you see thats the problem with this entire season. What was the point of hyping up "we will know from where the monsters came" if all that we learned was nothing? What was the point of robo sam? What was the point of cambells and granpa being there on if they all will get shafted by unnamed monsters of the week without any relevance? What was the point of Crowley's anti-hunters searching for purgatory if cas could do it all by torturing Miss Cthulhu? What was the point of Death doing all mysterious stuff to put that wall up if nothing comes from it? What was the point of hyping Mother of All and how she has armies ready and stuff if she gets shafted in such a lame way?


    I agree with the above, especially with Death putting the wall and being so extra careful about it, and even Castiel said it prolly was better if Sam was dead than if he found out what went on in the Cage.


    A couple of weeks ago I too commented on how we learned next to nothing about Purgatory, and I still think we know awfully little about it.



    Kitanishi wrote:


    S1: you had the mistery of why demon wanted to kill jessica and their mother, where is their father, what are the demons planning and the whole season built up on that beautifully.


    S2: You had questions about Specials, what John said to Sam, what Azazel wants for Sam, the things brothers do for each other, their relationship with Bobby and Ellen, John's darker sides of his past, questions on did sam come back wrong somehow?


    S3: You were trying to put a picture on the factions of Hell, what Lilith wants, why she fears sam, why Ruby is helping them, who is Ruby, what is wrong with Sam, fbi investigation and so on. Then comes season4...


    S4: "Something is wrong with sam,OK? and he is always wrong on what he does!" and "ruby is shady!" said again and again via random monster-of-the-week episodes. Then oh hello lucifer!


    S5: "Fate, fate, fate, fate, fate, brothers, dean is right, sam is wrong and misguided, brothers, family, death, fate, brothers, destiny"...oh hello Swan Song!


    S6: Hey lets set this show all about RoboSam!? No! Crowley!? No! Purgatory?! No! Eve!? No! Castiel!? No! Crowley!? No! Junkie Evil Castiel!? Maybe!" It is painful to say that, but Supernatural has been driving with an empty gas tank ever since the writers strike cut season3 in half...


    I'll have to disagree about S4 which I absolutely liked, but I can see where you're coming from. As for S4, I think they nailed the atmosphere, and introduced the whole new fraction of angels and Heaven. The fact these were later misused and abused is a different thing. Remember Zachariah, Uriel, Anna, Castiel, these were characters that for me had some importance, they had their story, they had motivation. Compare to the likes of Raphael who after two seasons, still hasn't got anything to say


    Dean is always right in this show That's where they start when they write a sketch of an episode/season/story-line, that in the end what Dean feels is right will turn out to be right.


    I think S5 was a wasted potential, and had similar problems like S6. Dean was THE VESSEL, but then again he wasn't. Oh well.


    Besides Lucifer not seeing the opportunities of the Purgatory, I can't also understand how Michael and his heavenly folk didn't see it either. Besides they knew souls were a source of power, they could have used the heaven. And yeah, Lucifer could have used the powers of souls from Hell.


    I can understand the whole thing of S6 being noir season, so Mother of All was just a distraction so we didn't see Castiel being the main villain. What is not so good is that even though she's a distraction, she's still a very powerful being. And Purgatory is a new concept. Even if they were distraction, that doesn't mean we don't get to find out anything about them. Or kill Mother of All in such an underwhelming manner. Seriously, they killed her more easily than a regular Monster of the Week.


    What I hope for S7 is that they concentrate on a plot, and do it justice. I also hope it's the last season, so they have, at their discretion, power to kill whomever they want, introduce whatever concept works best, without fear that they would or would not be renewed. This fear of renewal and angry fans is damaging to the show.


    I agree with statements about S1/2/3. I especially liked S2 of these.


    What I liked about earlier seasons is how they were personally involved into it. They weren't saving the world, they were revenging their father & mother, trying to find out the truth. Now all they do is saving the world, without asking: why us?


    And why only them as well.

    Given the effects on Cas I doubt any angel or archangle in their right mind would try what Cas has done. Cas only did it becasue he wanted to win and keep the others out of it and look what it cost him.

    Lucifer was, of course, too prideful to think he needed outside help from anyone. Pride has always been Lucifer's greatest weakeness and tha cause of his fall in the first place.


    Lucifer was proudful, yet, he did call on Four Horsemen, and chain Death so he could use him to his ends. And to chain Death he did sacrifice an entire town. So what's a whole Purgatory for him?

    In fact, he would prolly become even worse monster than Castiel is.
    Well, yeah but the Four Horsemen were part of the Revelations prophecy thing and his side was VERY set on following that certain path. Don't recall anything about Purgatory in that.

    Further, calling up the Horsemen and chaining Death didn't involve taking in souls of creatures he would have considered beneath him and tainting his angelic form with them.

    Given how he felt about humans and about demons I doubt he would taint himself with monster souls especially if it was possible it would have some kind of effect on him mentally. Just not his nature.
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    cherry_brandy wrote:
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    El_Schemo wrote:

    clashina wrote:
    You know what I found weird about the show. I could be entirely wrong mind you. But, Dean was in hell for a long time and experienced just as much torture as Sam did. Sure Sam probably experienced hell for a longer time but still. Why would the memories of Sam's time be enough to completely destroy him and not Dean?



    Well, Dean was just in, you know, regular hell. Whereas Sam was trapped in the cage with Lucifer and Michael. Two powerful, violent angels with nothing to do except wreak havoc on Sam's soul. Or else maybecontinue their fight in the pit, with the all-too-likely chance of Sam getting caught in the crossfire. Plus, as you said, Sam was in the pit for longer than Dean. In fact, at the end of Season 5, I think it was implied that Sam would have it much rougher than Dean. Dean said something along the lines of, "Your Hell is gonna make my tour look like Graceland".

    Well, it was a much rougher time to be sure but I don't think Sam was in Hell that long.

    From what souless Sam said he was only in Hell for a short peroid of time (Dean asks him how long he's been back and he says nearly a year or something like that).

    It's the 'quality' of time he spent in Hell not the quantity but either way it's rough on him. Still, he knows now and he SEEMS okay (judging only by a few minutes at the end) so who knows, maybe Sam is tougher than anyone (himself included) gives him credit for.


    What???? Libs I'd expect better from you Soulless Sam got out pretty much right away but Sam's soul was in the cage for ages - close to a year wasn't it? Sam's soul was messy, sticky and flayed to the raw nerve - this we know. Anyhoo - thought this was a great ep until... the ending. Wow, just wow. Worst. Cliffie. Ever. I mean weren't we supposed to be tearing our hair out all summer? er... not so much. What about everything tying together... er tying together to make Cas God? Oh how I laughed. What about all that stuff about Cas and Crowers dying over and over - they going to explain that next season or yet another plot point forgotten? I dunno I was just expecting something a bit more epic, surprising even, something to do with Sam and Dean and souls and purgatory and maybe even Mary, not - well basically it's all about the souls cos Cas eats em and becomes the new God. There y go. I love this show and will continue to watch, but this? Cas the new big bad? Repeating ooh sorry MIRRORING Sam's journey but going even further down the dark road? Sorry, but just not loving it at all.

    Go ahead. Convince me this isn't the worst decision they've ever made since introducing Adam.
    Well, seems to me a lot of the complaining stems from personal ideas about what was going to happen that didn't.

    Can't exactly blame the writers if you were hoping Mary would show up in some major way and didn't or if things didn't fall into place exactly the way YOU imagined it would (not you personally just the general you).

    It's great when things go in a way you don't expect. Anyway, it's not like they don't have next season and there's no point to blow their WHOLE wad when they know another season is coming.
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    libra113

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    cherry_brandy wrote:

    WCSU1987 wrote:


    This past week's episode it seemed Sam was struggling with the memory of being in the cage, but with the possibility of explaining it further. Another note is it seems Sam was going for Cas, and adding that with this new incorporated memory Cas did something to Sam.



    Funny, I had the exact same thought. Sam stabbing Cas was a little extreme considering they're supposed to be friends and Cas has obviously been corrupted by all that power - not really himself. This made me think he'd remembered something really bad about Cas. But it would have to be something REALLY bad surely? Something irredeemable, like deliberately leaving his soul in the cage to suffer for eons.


    I'm not sure the writers will make Cas irredeemable, simply for fear of the wrath of the Cas fans and to a lesser extent the Dean/Cas fans. I personally would have prefered to have Cas killed off than for his character to be decimated like this. I get what they're doing, orchestrating reasons to justify keeping an angel - oops sorry he isn't anymore is he Undecided - in the show. I like Misha and I like Cas(always have) but this is a pretty crappy reason to keep him in the show even if it's a reduced amount. I hope they know what they're doing because right now it really looks like they don't.

    Well Cas already said leaving Sam's soul behind was a mistake and since it was his open address to God I doubt he would lie then.

    Perhaps Sam attacked him because at the time he was looking like a serious threat and becasue he remembered that Cas was the one who not only brought him back souless (even if it was a mistake) but also becasue he was the one who broke the wall in his head and made him go through all that all over again.
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    gatoraderising wrote:
    cherry_brandy wrote:
    libra113 wrote:
    El_Schemo wrote:

    clashina wrote:
    You know what I found weird about the show. I could be entirely wrong mind you. But, Dean was in hell for a long time and experienced just as much torture as Sam did. Sure Sam probably experienced hell for a longer time but still. Why would the memories of Sam's time be enough to completely destroy him and not Dean?



    Well, Dean was just in, you know, regular hell. Whereas Sam was trapped in the cage with Lucifer and Michael. Two powerful, violent angels with nothing to do except wreak havoc on Sam's soul. Or else maybecontinue their fight in the pit, with the all-too-likely chance of Sam getting caught in the crossfire. Plus, as you said, Sam was in the pit for longer than Dean. In fact, at the end of Season 5, I think it was implied that Sam would have it much rougher than Dean. Dean said something along the lines of, "Your Hell is gonna make my tour look like Graceland".

    Well, it was a much rougher time to be sure but I don't think Sam was in Hell that long.

    From what souless Sam said he was only in Hell for a short peroid of time (Dean asks him how long he's been back and he says nearly a year or something like that).

    It's the 'quality' of time he spent in Hell not the quantity but either way it's rough on him. Still, he knows now and he SEEMS okay (judging only by a few minutes at the end) so who knows, maybe Sam is tougher than anyone (himself included) gives him credit for.


    What???? Libs I'd expect better from you Soulless Sam got out pretty much right away but Sam's soul was in the cage for ages - close to a year wasn't it? Sam's soul was messy, sticky and flayed to the raw nerve - this we know. Anyhoo - thought this was a great ep until... the ending. Wow, just wow. Worst. Cliffie. Ever. I mean weren't we supposed to be tearing our hair out all summer? er... not so much. What about everything tying together... er tying together to make Cas God? Oh how I laughed. What about all that stuff about Cas and Crowers dying over and over - they going to explain that next season or yet another plot point forgotten? I dunno I was just expecting something a bit more epic, surprising even, something to do with Sam and Dean and souls and purgatory and maybe even Mary, not - well basically it's all about the souls cos Cas eats em and becomes the new God. There y go. I love this show and will continue to watch, but this? Cas the new big bad? Repeating ooh sorry MIRRORING Sam's journey but going even further down the dark road? Sorry, but just not loving it at all.

    Go ahead. Convince me this isn't the worst decision they've ever made since introducing Adam.


    Well what I got from Cas telling Crowley "if we fail we will die over and over again to the end of time". Was that if Rapheal won the war he was going to break Michael and Lucifer out of the Cage and either one of them would kill them and bring them back over and over again. Because they both played a part in stopping their little showdown.
    Well, yeah Crowley was on the demon/Lucifer most wanted list since season five so that's a given and the only angel not on board with the end of the world AND who helped Sam and Dean beat their fate would be in the same boat. There seems to a tendency with some fans to want to make moutains out of molehills when all you gotta do it think about something like that for a couple of seconds to realize what it's REALLY all about.
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    Kitanishi wrote:
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    Oh. Also, I've been thinking... continuing with the Buffy comparisons, wouldn't it be awesome to have a "Yellow Crayon" moment but with THE HANDPRINT?



    The less this uses buffy references, the better for this show.

    This show is total opposite of buffy both in quality, characters and themes. Comparing to the queen of fantasy genre Tv, only makes this show look even more bad than it is right now.
    I never liked that whole broken crayon thing anyway and it's not really "Supernatural" style to pull that kind of thing (even though they kinda did with Sam and the Impala and that was close enough).

    I want Dean to reach Cas for sure just in another way, something more in their style like risking total destruction at Cas' hands to show him what he's really like.

    Maybe Cas is about to kill Dean out of anger and catches a glympse of himself and realizes what he's become and in disgust releases the evil souls and becomes his old self again but wiser and ready to repent his evil ways.
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    sinjaceheroes wrote:

    Sektos wrote:
    @johngons and CJJohanson Your definitely not alone and there's many here who loved the finale (i had big rant against haters few pgs back ) Also YES i agree about there not being enough about Lovecraft and was expecting alot more Chuthul (sp?) to turn up, but you never know could turn up in S7; leading me to - WHO KILLED LOVECRAFT and gang??? Im pretty sure Eli (name?) said it wasn't her, so who was the person in black at start of Let it Bleed???


    Eli was the one who killed Lovecraft and the rest. She said it was so that they wouldn't be so stupidly human and open the door again--"Just to take a look". Dumb @ss homo sapiens. >_>


    On a totally random side note, what the HELL is so special about virgin blood?! Does something happen to human blood when coitus takes place that changes the genetic structure of the blood and makes it acidic or something?! Cause I need to know if I should be worried or not! O_o Although I still haven't burst into a kiddie pool of acid, so, I guess it's not that drastic.


    You know what pisses me off? When they show Ben in Let it Bleed, he is freaking READING THE CTHULHU TALES! Why on Earth would they show us that if Ben had nothing to do with it at all? Normally, when such a scene is writ it is to foreshadow the character's involvements with the matters at hand, in this case, Purgatory and Cthulhu. Neither Purgatory nor Cthulhu were showed. And Ben had nothing to do with neither of them. Hell, he was brainwashed before they opened the damn thing. Someone needs to inform these people on foreshadowing matters.


    By the way, that rant is cause the show made me think that Ben was a creature, or probably, even Cthulhu himself. >_> Didn't I feel silly when his mind was scrubbed and polished.

    Well in classic folklore and myth virginity is purity and purity is a powerful thing. There are all sorts of magical rituals and rites that call for virgin blood or virgin sacrifices to some higher force. There was even a countess (forget her name) who convinced herself that bathing in virgin blood would keep her young forever and she killed and drained countless servent girls to that end.

    As for the foreshadowing it wasn't foreshadowing it was a red herring.
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    sinjaceheroes wrote:

    dpebbleson wrote:
    First of all, SINJACEHEROES, what was the thing you wanted to tell me about Castiel's change? I'm still curious about how you'd have done it. Second, let me comment on both episodes at the same time. Since I view them both as two-part finale, I can say I'm satisfied. It's a much better finale than 'Swan Song'. But even with 'Swan Song' being uneventful for me, I wish they concluded the story-line with Lucifer defeated. Castiel as a villain is a good idea, as they'll be able to follow him to repentance and eventual death. But I'm somewhat disturbed that he is so powerful. He seems to be more powerful than Lucifer now, which is... hmmm. Why didn't Lucifer ever search for the Purgatory? Instead of concentrating on finding Sam, he could have found all those souls and annihilated Heaven all by himself. However, the idea of him as God is interesting in the aspect that it might trigger another God's appearance in Series 7. Now that I'd love to see. I think it was a nice parallel that Castiel who was blown up by Raphael in "Lucifer Rising" now did the same to Raphael. Also, in a way, Castiel is C'thulu. He sucked all those souls, and became something rather different. He clearly isn't thinking with his head, and has become corrupted. Moreover, having all those monster souls inside him, he has become the Father of All. A Monster-God. A new species, a crossbreed between monsters, humans and angels. I wonder how no one in the Purgatory resisted him. You'd think not all those souls would just allow him to take them. What about the Mother of All? If I got it right, when she was killed, her soul returned there, and she was stronger than angels. But it seems Purgatory was another side-story that didn't have inherent importance. It wasn't really developed as a place or a mythic place, it was simply used as a plot-device. For me this season was better than S5, the un-apocalyptic one. But while S5 dwelled too much on Monster of the Week episodes and comic ones, S6 had a flaw of juggling different story-lines, of which many didn't have relevance: the Campbells, Eve, Lisa/Ben. They were right to trim them off, and I hope in the next season they keep it focused, telling us only what will have some implications. I think Dean's comment about not mentioning Lisa again was metatextual to a certain degree, with the writers recognizing it was basically a dead end, and let's just forget it. I have to add that I liked Lisa!Demon, she was much better than ordinary Lisa. When I heard Dean not knowing about Lovecraft, I immediately thought, yeah right, and he reads Vonnegut. Then I found plenty comments on the internet with people mentioning the very same thing. Especially for the horror show, it's implausible that Dean wouldn't at least hear about Lovecraft, especially if he could make joke about 'Suite Life of Zac and Cas'. On a side note, imagine what Zachariah would feel now, with his grunt, Castiel, being more powerful than every angel ever? I liked Crowley in this one. He's such a character, and maybe it's for the better they didn't make him a villain. He's too opportunistic to be a villain, and he isn't really made of 'plans to conquer the world'. He's just a businessman, seeking his own profit relentlessly. "Crowley Exit Time" I figure he might have hand in bringing Castiel down. Nonetheless, he's the best demon since Azazel, who was also cynical and humourous at moments. I feel sorry for Castiel, in a way he was just doing what he thought would stop another Apocalypse. On the other hand, killing Balthazar just like that shows how far he went with his darkness. One Step Too Far. I have a new appreciation for God, or Chuck (if Chuck's God). I can get it how sick and tired he must be with all this happening. He clearly showed that it's all about family. He brought back Castiel, gave him family in Sam, Dean and Bobby, and he wouldn't consult with them. Then Balthazar becomes Castiel's family, but Castiel kills him nonetheless. Even when Raphael urged Castiel not to kill him, he said, we're family. I know it's hypocritical, but let's remember that even John Winchester told Dean to kill Sam if he becomes dangerous, and Dean always found a way out without killing Sam. In fact, that's what triumphed in "Swan Song", two brothers. Castiel should know better. I don't think it's really about working with Crowley. It's about working with Dean and Sam, and then deciding whether to work with Crowley. I can see why God lost all faith in everyone, since his children have been killing each other in the name of supremacy. And last scenes with Castiel showed just how Luciferian he became. Okay, a long post Looking forward to discussion.


    OK, let's start this long @ss post.


    1- Well, first of all, it's never gonna happen now. xD but anyways, Castiel after saving heaven and whatnot, decides to help people on his own, like Sam and Dean do. But he's not in the USA. Somewhere, I don't know, exotic. Anyways, he's on this case and he finds the missing girl and kills the demons that held her captive. When he's about to leave, she tells him that the demons took her sister away. Castiel goes all good guy and tells her he can do a spell to locate her and does that wing thing to go and pick up the ingredients. He makes the potion and tells her he needs something of hers to make it work right. She doesn't have anything material. When Castiel says he can't help without something of hers, the woman says that she and her sister share the same blood so that should count. (she was already cut up and bleeding at that point from the demons). Before Castiel can stop her, she flicks her hand and blood falls into the potion--blowing up. There's a bright light after the explosion boom, (don't you just love my special effects?), Castiel screams like mad, and then darkness comes. Later the woman wakes up Castiel and he realizes that his grace is gone. He's human again. He explains that the potion was supposed to use his "angel stuff" -- yes, "angel stuff" some may call it grace, I call it "angel stuff" cause grace is "something nice, and soothing and peaceful", and "angel stuff" is anything BUT. Anyways, his "angel stuff" was supposed to locate the sister using her belonging, but when the woman flicked her blood in, it messed with his "angel stuff" and made him human, by ripping out his "angel stuff". You know, one of those unexplainable plot devices that make no sense, but should be taken as fact otherwise it all goes to hell. *coughcough* puncture lung kill ghost*coughcough* So, he goes in search of it, and the woman decides to tag along, as Castiel promises to save her sister when he gets his "angel stuff" back--and come on, it's not like she can go to the cops.


    Ta-da! xD I have the whole thing panned out. There's betrayal. Mystery. New lands. A new dimension. Hell, even sex. Yes, Castiel-sex. xD It's awkward and hilarious. New bad guys. But season 1 and 2 bad guys. You know, the "run or I'll eat you" bad guy--not the "ha-ha. try to stop me. I shall end the world" bad guy.


    Oh, well, never gonna happen now.


    2- I would say he is MUCH worse than Lucifer now. Let's not take into account that Castiel cannot even be HARMED by the Arch Sword, he can KILL an arch with a snap of his fingers. Lucifer couldn't even do that.


    3- Remember, Lucifer didn't want world domination, he just wanted Daddy's attention.


    4- I have NF clue what happened with Eve. They did that thing with her body and the eggs and its effect on monsters, and just dropped it. Like everything else this season.


    5- I also concur on Crowley not being evil evil. He simply wants to do things for his own wellbeing. Nothing wrong with that!


    6- Chuck IS God. I don't think Chuck will come back. Nor in any other shape. The whole thing with God is that he is ALWAYS here, but NEVER here. He does his stuff and remains invisible. The moment they introduce God, they screw up the own idea of the God SPN created. That's why, to me, they never concretely say that God is Chuck, or vice versa. Because it would be contradictory. It's just a good mind****.


    You know what, that whole intro with Lovecraft writing like mad, reminded me a lot of Chuck, when he wrote his prophet stuff. I thought we were looking at an old prophet, but apparently not. Maybe I can say it in spanish;


    Que muchas cojias de pendejo nos han dao, carajo. Google translate that! xD Possibly, half of it will be untranslatable. It's partly common speak, not actual words.


    OH! And I have a new gif! Uploading it soon! xD

    Wow that's a lot of words. Punctured lung kills ghosts? Must have forgotten that one.

    As for the rest everything to do with Purgatory is STILL in play since that's where Cas' power up comes from AND they're going to need to figure out how to negate that to stop him.

    In that case the stuff COULD still come into play at any point. Just becasue it's introduced in one season doesn't mean it has to be confined to that season.
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    sinjaceheroes wrote:

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    I cannot believe my eyes! Castiel is Lucifer?! I will not stand by and allow this character assassination of Satan to continue! Castiel is worse than Lucifer. First of all he's just a crappy copycat. Lucifer rebelled first, so there!


    Second, Lucifer has some principles and there are things he just won't do. I'm sure he could have vacuumed up all the souls of hell and became Godifer, but he didn't. Do you think Lucifer would let Crowley's cootied up soul go all up in his bidness? Don't think so. But not Castiel, he'll let anything in his butt.


    Third, Lucifer doesn't destroy souls like Castiel does, he corrupts them. But their corruption is ultimately their choice, they are not forced.


    Fourth, Lucifer doesn't stab people in the back. Castiel is a Stabby McBackerson.


    Fifth, Lucifer felt bad when he killed Gabriel even though Gabby rejected him and was gonna gank him from behind. Castiel didn't look at all upset or remorseful when he killed Rachel and Balty who had been on his side.


    Sixth, Lucifer was thoughtful enough to dress Sammy in a nice white suit. Meanwhile poor Jimmy is stuck wearing that stank trench coat for all eternity.


    Seventh, Even though he could of, Lucifer didn't grab Meg's face and slobber all over it like Cass did. In conclusion, Castiel is a smelly, pervy sociopath who wishes he were Lucifer. And to that Lucifer says "Beeyah please."



    Haha! I like this, my opinions:


    First: Castiel didn't rebel, because Raphael was not in charge of Heaven. Completely different.


    Second, Lucifer had no such principles. He was a stuck up little princess who deemed everything but angels dirt and putrid. Not even his own creation was good. So, he didn't become Godifer--bravo by the way, love your imagination--out of principles, but because he was a stuck up "beeyah".


    Third: Umm, if you mean Castiel killing demons and monsters, may I remind the dozens of demons Lucifer sacrificed to Death? O.o That wasn't corruption, that was an order--the same as "pulling the trigger". Whether or not, the demons did it out of "worship" has nothing to do with it. When Luci told them to say, "I give my soul" instead of "Give your souls, if you want" then it was no longer corruption, but murder-suicide.


    Fourth: Luci committed no backstabbing? .... .... .... ... ..... .. . He basically said he would kill all demons when he was done with the humans! If killing every single one of your creations isn't backstabbing, I don't know what is, dude!! xD


    Fifth: Well, ehh. Remember, here, Lucifer wasn't against the angels, he was FOR them. Yeah, some angels were against the idea of Lucifer, but they didn't actually go mano a mano with him, most significantly cause they didn't stand a freaking chance. xD With Castiel, the only THING after him were angels. He had to harden himself. To the point, he closed himself off from everyone but Dean. Cause let's get this right, Castiel doesn't consider Sam his "family" or "brother". He does Dean. He cares for Sam, because Dean cares for Sam. We have seen this again and again.


    Sixth: Blame this on Kripke! xD But yeah, hey, AT LEAST, he fixes the clothes every time they get bloody, torned, etc. No change of clothes, but Chuckdamn it, he does give the BEST dry cleaning in town!!


    Seventh: Again, this is nothing with principles, to Lucifer Meg was a simple insect under his shoe. You don't kiss insects. Or at least, I hope not. O.o Castiel on the other hand is still confused, has not had sex in millions of years and had gotten a woody from a porno like half an hour before. Give the guy a break, man! I mean, we are talking about a dude who brought up painful daddy issues with the first woman he was ever gonna lay with. xD Not the most suave of men, I should say.


    I liked this. xD Kudos, dude!



    First Lucifer rebelled against God, Cas rebelled against Michael and the other angel's. Like Gabriel said God brought the new baby home and Lucifer couldn't take it. Cas rebelled to stop the end of the world. Second, No Lucifer never did use soul's to gain power but he never need too either. Lucifer probly think's he can take Michael on his own, plus Lucifer to prideful to think he would ever need anymore power to get what he want's. Lucifer never wanted to replace God or become a God himself that's also a reason why he never used soul's to gain power.

    Thrid, No Lucifer never stab someone in the back, then again the only person that would ever really stand up to him is Michael. If he had the chance he probly would stab Michael in the back if he could.

    Then I'll just say this Lucifer was never really fighting a Civil war like Cas was. The only angel Lucifer wanted to fight was Michael and even then he tried to talk Michael out of it. Cas had to kill other angel's even angel's on his own side to win the war.

    Does that make Cas the new Lucifer or worse I don't know. Too me they are two total diffrent case's.
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    I knew Supernatural would deliver in the finale. It was very ballsy to do that with Cas. I know a lot of people are saying he's gone full on darkside but the way I look at it is that right now, he's like what Sam was without a soul. Maybe since he absorbed all of those souls from Purgatory his own got lost in the process.


    Also loved Sam's little journey inside of himself. I can't wait to see how that gonna screw him up in season 7.

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    libra113 wrote:
    gatoraderising wrote:
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    clashina wrote:
    You know what I found weird about the show. I could be entirely wrong mind you. But, Dean was in hell for a long time and experienced just as much torture as Sam did. Sure Sam probably experienced hell for a longer time but still. Why would the memories of Sam's time be enough to completely destroy him and not Dean?



    Well, Dean was just in, you know, regular hell. Whereas Sam was trapped in the cage with Lucifer and Michael. Two powerful, violent angels with nothing to do except wreak havoc on Sam's soul. Or else maybecontinue their fight in the pit, with the all-too-likely chance of Sam getting caught in the crossfire. Plus, as you said, Sam was in the pit for longer than Dean. In fact, at the end of Season 5, I think it was implied that Sam would have it much rougher than Dean. Dean said something along the lines of, "Your Hell is gonna make my tour look like Graceland".

    Well, it was a much rougher time to be sure but I don't think Sam was in Hell that long.

    From what souless Sam said he was only in Hell for a short peroid of time (Dean asks him how long he's been back and he says nearly a year or something like that).

    It's the 'quality' of time he spent in Hell not the quantity but either way it's rough on him. Still, he knows now and he SEEMS okay (judging only by a few minutes at the end) so who knows, maybe Sam is tougher than anyone (himself included) gives him credit for.


    What???? Libs I'd expect better from you Soulless Sam got out pretty much right away but Sam's soul was in the cage for ages - close to a year wasn't it? Sam's soul was messy, sticky and flayed to the raw nerve - this we know. Anyhoo - thought this was a great ep until... the ending. Wow, just wow. Worst. Cliffie. Ever. I mean weren't we supposed to be tearing our hair out all summer? er... not so much. What about everything tying together... er tying together to make Cas God? Oh how I laughed. What about all that stuff about Cas and Crowers dying over and over - they going to explain that next season or yet another plot point forgotten? I dunno I was just expecting something a bit more epic, surprising even, something to do with Sam and Dean and souls and purgatory and maybe even Mary, not - well basically it's all about the souls cos Cas eats em and becomes the new God. There y go. I love this show and will continue to watch, but this? Cas the new big bad? Repeating ooh sorry MIRRORING Sam's journey but going even further down the dark road? Sorry, but just not loving it at all.

    Go ahead. Convince me this isn't the worst decision they've ever made since introducing Adam.


    Well what I got from Cas telling Crowley "if we fail we will die over and over again to the end of time". Was that if Rapheal won the war he was going to break Michael and Lucifer out of the Cage and either one of them would kill them and bring them back over and over again. Because they both played a part in stopping their little showdown.
    Well, yeah Crowley was on the demon/Lucifer most wanted list since season five so that's a given and the only angel not on board with the end of the world AND who helped Sam and Dean beat their fate would be in the same boat. There seems to a tendency with some fans to want to make moutains out of molehills when all you gotta do it think about something like that for a couple of seconds to realize what it's REALLY all about.


    Ya that's what I got out of Cas saying that. Cas talking about if Michael and Lucifer got out. That's the only thing I could think of was those two, well maybe Raphael would kill them again and again too. I would bet on the two locked in the Cage though.
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    sinjaceheroes wrote:

    dpebbleson wrote:
    First of all, SINJACEHEROES, what was the thing you wanted to tell me about Castiel's change? I'm still curious about how you'd have done it. Second, let me comment on both episodes at the same time. Since I view them both as two-part finale, I can say I'm satisfied. It's a much better finale than 'Swan Song'. But even with 'Swan Song' being uneventful for me, I wish they concluded the story-line with Lucifer defeated. Castiel as a villain is a good idea, as they'll be able to follow him to repentance and eventual death. But I'm somewhat disturbed that he is so powerful. He seems to be more powerful than Lucifer now, which is... hmmm. Why didn't Lucifer ever search for the Purgatory? Instead of concentrating on finding Sam, he could have found all those souls and annihilated Heaven all by himself. However, the idea of him as God is interesting in the aspect that it might trigger another God's appearance in Series 7. Now that I'd love to see. I think it was a nice parallel that Castiel who was blown up by Raphael in "Lucifer Rising" now did the same to Raphael. Also, in a way, Castiel is C'thulu. He sucked all those souls, and became something rather different. He clearly isn't thinking with his head, and has become corrupted. Moreover, having all those monster souls inside him, he has become the Father of All. A Monster-God. A new species, a crossbreed between monsters, humans and angels. I wonder how no one in the Purgatory resisted him. You'd think not all those souls would just allow him to take them. What about the Mother of All? If I got it right, when she was killed, her soul returned there, and she was stronger than angels. But it seems Purgatory was another side-story that didn't have inherent importance. It wasn't really developed as a place or a mythic place, it was simply used as a plot-device. For me this season was better than S5, the un-apocalyptic one. But while S5 dwelled too much on Monster of the Week episodes and comic ones, S6 had a flaw of juggling different story-lines, of which many didn't have relevance: the Campbells, Eve, Lisa/Ben. They were right to trim them off, and I hope in the next season they keep it focused, telling us only what will have some implications. I think Dean's comment about not mentioning Lisa again was metatextual to a certain degree, with the writers recognizing it was basically a dead end, and let's just forget it. I have to add that I liked Lisa!Demon, she was much better than ordinary Lisa. When I heard Dean not knowing about Lovecraft, I immediately thought, yeah right, and he reads Vonnegut. Then I found plenty comments on the internet with people mentioning the very same thing. Especially for the horror show, it's implausible that Dean wouldn't at least hear about Lovecraft, especially if he could make joke about 'Suite Life of Zac and Cas'. On a side note, imagine what Zachariah would feel now, with his grunt, Castiel, being more powerful than every angel ever? I liked Crowley in this one. He's such a character, and maybe it's for the better they didn't make him a villain. He's too opportunistic to be a villain, and he isn't really made of 'plans to conquer the world'. He's just a businessman, seeking his own profit relentlessly. "Crowley Exit Time" I figure he might have hand in bringing Castiel down. Nonetheless, he's the best demon since Azazel, who was also cynical and humourous at moments. I feel sorry for Castiel, in a way he was just doing what he thought would stop another Apocalypse. On the other hand, killing Balthazar just like that shows how far he went with his darkness. One Step Too Far. I have a new appreciation for God, or Chuck (if Chuck's God). I can get it how sick and tired he must be with all this happening. He clearly showed that it's all about family. He brought back Castiel, gave him family in Sam, Dean and Bobby, and he wouldn't consult with them. Then Balthazar becomes Castiel's family, but Castiel kills him nonetheless. Even when Raphael urged Castiel not to kill him, he said, we're family. I know it's hypocritical, but let's remember that even John Winchester told Dean to kill Sam if he becomes dangerous, and Dean always found a way out without killing Sam. In fact, that's what triumphed in "Swan Song", two brothers. Castiel should know better. I don't think it's really about working with Crowley. It's about working with Dean and Sam, and then deciding whether to work with Crowley. I can see why God lost all faith in everyone, since his children have been killing each other in the name of supremacy. And last scenes with Castiel showed just how Luciferian he became. Okay, a long post Looking forward to discussion.


    OK, let's start this long @ss post.


    1- Well, first of all, it's never gonna happen now. xD but anyways, Castiel after saving heaven and whatnot, decides to help people on his own, like Sam and Dean do. But he's not in the USA. Somewhere, I don't know, exotic. Anyways, he's on this case and he finds the missing girl and kills the demons that held her captive. When he's about to leave, she tells him that the demons took her sister away. Castiel goes all good guy and tells her he can do a spell to locate her and does that wing thing to go and pick up the ingredients. He makes the potion and tells her he needs something of hers to make it work right. She doesn't have anything material. When Castiel says he can't help without something of hers, the woman says that she and her sister share the same blood so that should count. (she was already cut up and bleeding at that point from the demons). Before Castiel can stop her, she flicks her hand and blood falls into the potion--blowing up. There's a bright light after the explosion boom, (don't you just love my special effects?), Castiel screams like mad, and then darkness comes. Later the woman wakes up Castiel and he realizes that his grace is gone. He's human again. He explains that the potion was supposed to use his "angel stuff" -- yes, "angel stuff" some may call it grace, I call it "angel stuff" cause grace is "something nice, and soothing and peaceful", and "angel stuff" is anything BUT. Anyways, his "angel stuff" was supposed to locate the sister using her belonging, but when the woman flicked her blood in, it messed with his "angel stuff" and made him human, by ripping out his "angel stuff". You know, one of those unexplainable plot devices that make no sense, but should be taken as fact otherwise it all goes to hell. *coughcough* puncture lung kill ghost*coughcough* So, he goes in search of it, and the woman decides to tag along, as Castiel promises to save her sister when he gets his "angel stuff" back--and come on, it's not like she can go to the cops.


    Ta-da! xD I have the whole thing panned out. There's betrayal. Mystery. New lands. A new dimension. Hell, even sex. Yes, Castiel-sex. xD It's awkward and hilarious. New bad guys. But season 1 and 2 bad guys. You know, the "run or I'll eat you" bad guy--not the "ha-ha. try to stop me. I shall end the world" bad guy.


    Oh, well, never gonna happen now.


    2- I would say he is MUCH worse than Lucifer now. Let's not take into account that Castiel cannot even be HARMED by the Arch Sword, he can KILL an arch with a snap of his fingers. Lucifer couldn't even do that.


    3- Remember, Lucifer didn't want world domination, he just wanted Daddy's attention.


    4- I have NF clue what happened with Eve. They did that thing with her body and the eggs and its effect on monsters, and just dropped it. Like everything else this season.


    5- I also concur on Crowley not being evil evil. He simply wants to do things for his own wellbeing. Nothing wrong with that!


    6- Chuck IS God. I don't think Chuck will come back. Nor in any other shape. The whole thing with God is that he is ALWAYS here, but NEVER here. He does his stuff and remains invisible. The moment they introduce God, they screw up the own idea of the God SPN created. That's why, to me, they never concretely say that God is Chuck, or vice versa. Because it would be contradictory. It's just a good mind****.


    You know what, that whole intro with Lovecraft writing like mad, reminded me a lot of Chuck, when he wrote his prophet stuff. I thought we were looking at an old prophet, but apparently not. Maybe I can say it in spanish;


    Que muchas cojias de pendejo nos han dao, carajo. Google translate that! xD Possibly, half of it will be untranslatable. It's partly common speak, not actual words.


    OH! And I have a new gif! Uploading it soon! xD



    Ah, your story is very imaginative! Too bad they took it in such a direction, that it could only become some alternative world fanfic No more hero of Castiel, I'm afraid

    Puncture lung kill ghosts That's as funny as ... STAGE EXIT CROWLEY

    Lucifer strikes me as ecologically minded. He loves Planet Earth, and wants to save it from the humans. Introducing the Award-Winning Series, Earth without Humans, produced, directed, written by, and narrated by Lucifer!

    Yeah, too bad they dropped all Eve-related stuff, just like she never existed.

    I tried to Google translate your Spanish sentence, but the result was sobrenatural

    Looking forward to your gif!!!!
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    What part of new god do people not understand? Gee really he only explained it perfectly but guess after every episode you get people who don't pay attention. Anyway I like the way they took things I wasn't happy about a finale about Sam and his memories but thankfully that went away and we get to anticipate god Cas whom I think will be like Zeus as opposed to the biblical view of god.

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    libra113 wrote:
    Wow that's a lot of words. Punctured lung kills ghosts? Must have forgotten that one. As for the rest everything to do with Purgatory is STILL in play since that's where Cas' power up comes from AND they're going to need to figure out how to negate that to stop him. In that case the stuff COULD still come into play at any point. Just becasue it's introduced in one season doesn't mean it has to be confined to that season.


    Dude! Mannequin 3!! They kill the ghost when the sister punctures the lung the ghost sister had given her. It's like what?! Can you say, infinite plot holes? No one can argue that one. It goes against every single thing they have ever said about killing ghosts since the show's inception.

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    libra113 wrote:
    Well in classic folklore and myth virginity is purity and purity is a powerful thing. There are all sorts of magical rituals and rites that call for virgin blood or virgin sacrifices to some higher force. There was even a countess (forget her name) who convinced herself that bathing in virgin blood would keep her young forever and she killed and drained countless servent girls to that end. As for the foreshadowing it wasn't foreshadowing it was a red herring.


    Ah, yes. Elizabeth Bathory, the Blood Countess. I love how psychotic and delusional she was.

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    CaptainHarkness wrote:

    I knew Supernatural would deliver in the finale. It was very ballsy to do that with Cas. I know a lot of people are saying he's gone full on darkside but the way I look at it is that right now, he's like what Sam was without a soul. Maybe since he absorbed all of those souls from Purgatory his own got lost in the process.


    Also loved Sam's little journey inside of himself. I can't wait to see how that gonna screw him up in season 7.



    Oh I can picture it already.
    Seaoson 7:



    Episode 1 - Some sort of whatever whisks winchesters away from cas location, Bobby swears a lot, Sam and Dean talk about their family problems, while Castiel decides to convert the earth. We get 1 minute scene that indicates that something is really wrong with sam. Winchesters then solve the case of mermaids attacking some port town under orders of castiel.

    Episode 2 - Dean and Sam investigate the murder on American Idol stage. Sam does something edgy for one second. Bobby swears on the phone, Castiel does a monologue on how everything is spinning around.



    Episode 3 - Sam and Dean investigate rumors of the mothman in arizona desert. Sam has a nightmare. Castiel is also hunting mothman and Sam and Dean have to protect a family of mothmen from the evil and edgy Castiel.



    Episode 4 - A fourth brother, Bob, is introduced as apparently their mother also had an illegitimate child. Sam does something crazy for one minute. Dean thinks something is wrong with Sam. Bob gets munched by zombies.

    Ep 5 - Brothers deal with strange cases of mirrors coming out of bloody mary ghosts, killing the ghosts.

    Ep6 - Castiel recaps the entire season so far while chasing dean during valentines day. In the end this whole episode was Sam's dream in his head. Something is obviously wrong with sam.

    Ep7 - Sam is wrong in the case and Dean is right one and saves the day from incredible dangerous thing.


    Ep8 - Bob is resurrected by unknown forces, kills Castiel in 1 second scene. Sam does something crazy.


    Ep9 - Sam and Dean look for clues to stop Bob, who is trying to find a way to open the locked closet of G.W.Bush which is said to contain a lot of candy that can give power to people.

    EP10 - We get a 1second scene of E.A.Poe getting killed by shady figure. Then the whole episode is spent on Sam and Dean investigating an offroad bad where food kills people.

    Ep11 - Meg returns and kills bob and says that she is God now.

    Ep12 - Sam and Dean investigate a strange case of a vicious supernatural killed who masquerades as smurf characters. In the end its revealed that the killed is actually the last Moomin alive and his blood can kill God. Sam and dean kill the poor moomin.


    Ep13 - Meg for no reason at all , comes to visit the boys and threaten them and gets killed with moomin blood. Of course this was planned all along by Bobby who is revealed to be the force behind Bob's resurrection oh and John is alive and working for bobby to locate G.W.Bush closet and open it.

    Ep14 - Sam and Dean investigate a case of playboy bunnies getting slaughtered by someone who beheads them with carrots. They then kill bugs bunny.

    ep15-16- we get a flashback narrated by Bobby on how he made the deal with John and it is revealed that Chuck is Bobby.


    Ep17 - Impala transforms into a stunning woman. Sam and Dean kill her to get their car back.


    EP18 - A shapeshifting parrot murders all the side-characters that are still alive(Death included).

    EP19 - Chuck/Bobby is actually also Mary Winchester. Something is wrong with sam.


    Ep20 - Chuck/Bobby/Mary eats Australia.


    Ep21-22. Sam goes on a mind trip and fixes everything inside himself, coming out entirely okay, so he can help his brother stop their mother/god/whatever. Sam's problems as always are never mentioned again. To stop God they need to locate the Scenario scripts of Eric Kripke. As they burst into the building they find that Kripke has already been killed by god. In an anticlimatic confrontation we find out that Sam already burned the script three episodes ago so God dies. Chuck then narrates on how important brothers are and how everything is about family and tells the viewers that drugs are bad. We get the cliffhanger of Azazel alive watching brothers leave in impala, but oh well, the show got cancelled by then so no s8.

    Yep....Season 7 certainly will be great.
    Edited on 05/24/2011 3:27pm
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    sinjaceheroes

    [138]May 24, 2011
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    dpebbleson wrote:
    Ah, your story is very imaginative! Too bad they took it in such a direction, that it could only become some alternative world fanfic No more hero of Castiel, I'm afraid Puncture lung kill ghosts That's as funny as ... STAGE EXIT CROWLEY Lucifer strikes me as ecologically minded. He loves Planet Earth, and wants to save it from the humans. Introducing the Award-Winning Series, Earth without Humans, produced, directed, written by, and narrated by Lucifer! Yeah, too bad they dropped all Eve-related stuff, just like she never existed. I tried to Google translate your Spanish sentence, but the result was sobrenatural Looking forward to your gif!!!!


    I would so watch that! Bring. It. On.


    Actually, now that I think about it, the Eve thing might not be over. They showed it hurting the vampire, well, maybe it didn't hurt the vampire physically, but spiritually.


    Which means....they can use the Dead!Eve to hurt Castiel!!!! O_O It can be Cas' kryptonite, since he did swallow "millions upon millions" of souls. He'll feel what the vampire felt millions upon millions of times over. Poor Cas.


    You know how I see Castiel's death, right? Let me tell ya, it's awesome if I so say so myself. Here goes: Castiel goes all nazi and crap and things happen, causing Crowley and the Winchester to ban together against the common foe--ala Cas/Crowley. Crowley brings the Eve corpse he has and they weaken God!Castiel enough for him to snap back like Sam did in Swan Song. Just then, Dean and Castiel have their bromance moment and Castiel decides to "throw himself in the pit" ala Sam. The souls get to be too much and he can't just release them back into purgatory, so after a tearful good bye between Castiel and the Winchesters, specially Dean, Castiel flies to the night sky and blows up and shines like a star, bringing day to night.


    Wouldn't that be AMAZING?! I would cry. Hell, I think I'd have to be institutionalized!


    Hahaha! I would tell you what it means, but I would get suspended and/or banned and I like it here.


    I'm uploading it today. I had two I liked the same, but when it comes down to it, the one I'll uploaded was invincible!

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    ral4884

    [139]May 24, 2011
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    kitanishi....... that was hysterical. Love the show but that was funny as hell. Bugs bunny.....lol

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    The_Nobody101

    [140]May 25, 2011
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    I don't know why, but when Cass told Sam, Dean, and Bobby to bow down before him i though of Triple H's King of Kings theme music.
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