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    mynameisjohnas

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    dman_dustin wrote:


    Since hours ago my pronunciation post was not "well formed" thank you limitation of TV.com's forums, I'm just not responding to the pronunciation argument.


    mynameisjohnas wrote:


    -Not sure if this was a goof or a hint to something else but how on earth would Virgil be able to talk to Raphael with Misha's blood (which was only cupped in his hand none the less) if there was no magic or God in the universe they were in?



    Anyway the way I see it Angels, maybe more so with Archangels they can see what's going on or feel what's going with all the universes (maybe it makes more sense when an angel from one universe goes into a universe without angels, thus a powerful being from the original universe can sense them).


    So I would assume that even if it took place in a magic-less universe, Raphael would be able to hear the "call" and communicate with the angel since magic can obviously influence the magic-less universe (explaining how one can get there, and how one can escape it).



    Hmmm, interesting theory. Best one I've read so far anyways, lol.Kudos.



    dman_dustin wrote:


    And them pretending to act was horrible, though maybe that was the point. I mean if anyone could act a character it would be an alternate universe's character themselves. Sam and Dean should've been themselves, rather than pretending to be Jared and Jensen to pretend to be Sam and Dean.



    Yeah, I think that was the point. It was suppose to be one of things where it was so bad that it was funny (which I personally thought they pulled off masterfully). And in theory, you're right- if anyoneshould be able toact out Sam and Dean you'd think it would be Sam and Dean but you have to remember what was being asked of the brothers wasn't actually that simple.


    What was being asked of Sam and Deanwas that theypretend to be Jared and Jensen pretending to be them which, in of itself,would probably be enough of a mind job to screw most people up, especially two characters who aren't actually actors Tongue out.


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    dpebbleson wrote:


    mynameisjohnas wrote:


    Basically I just noticed that Libra stated he didn't think the universe Sam and Dean were transported to was "our world"/"the real world", but simply one very close to it and I figured I shouldn't misrepresent what he was trying to say.


    That being noted, I still don't think it changes the nature of the argument about why Sam and Ruby/Ruby's host might have had a connection in the SPN universe and the universe the brothers were transported to given the arguments I originally stated. More to the point, I don't know if there was is a way to prove it was or wasn't our universe unless the writers decide to revisit the subject next episode or somewhere down the line (which I somehow doubt they will).


    I don't think it was really our world, since that goblet worked.


    Hahaha, obviously. I was more suggesting it as a fictional version of our world much in the same way the real world in "Last Action Hero" wasn't actually the real world. I should have explained myself better originally, my bad.

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    mynameisjohnas wrote:

    Basically I just noticed that Libra stated he didn't think the universe Sam and Dean were transported to was "our world"/"the real world", but simply one very close to it and I figured I shouldn't misrepresent what he was trying to say.


    That being noted, I still don't think it changes the nature of the argument about why Sam and Ruby/Ruby's host might have had a connection in the SPN universe and the universe the brothers were transported to given the arguments I originally stated. More to the point, I don't know if there was is a way to prove it was or wasn't our universe unless the writers decide to revisit the subject next episode or somewhere down the line (which I somehow doubt they will) which may have been what you were suggesting DP with your talk about the answer being in the undecidedness, haha.

    Surely the death of so many real life people who in our world are alive and well proves that it's not our universe but very close. It's a world like ours but in that world there was a mad gunmen on the set of "Supernatural" shooting the place up, which hasn't happened in our world (and hopefully never will).

    I've done a lot of reading in the area of alternet realities and all that so I'm used to thinking in these terms.
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    Wow, lol. Do I seriously come off as that deslusional? Please, read my above post or let me know if you've never seen LAH and I'll explain the premise and it's theoreticalrelation to last weeks episode.

    Edited on 03/03/2011 9:29pm
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    mynameisjohnas wrote:

    Wow, lol. Do I seriously come off as that deslusional? Please, read my above post or let me know if you've never seen LAH and I'll explain the premise and it's theoreticalrelation to last weeks episode.



    I haven't seen Last Action Hero, and am curious what's it about.

    Alternative worlds is a very interesting topic, albeit complicated. Though I can get along with fictional real worlds ( ), much better than with time-travel which burns my brain ; )
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    I've seen it but if you REALLY wanna see alternet realities watch the first couple of seasons of "Sliders" but don't bother to go much further than that (and keep an eye out for an appearance by JDM).
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    mynameisjohnas wrote:


    What was being asked of Sam and Deanwas that theypretend to be Jared and Jensen pretending to be them which, in of itself,would probably be enough of a mind job to screw most people up, especially two characters who aren't actually actors Tongue out.



    Maybe the anime will end this way, given how Neon Genesis Evangelion, The Big O, Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt, etc. end.

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    Good episode as a Fringe watcher I wasn't in a hurry to do anymore universe jumping but this was fun. I'm glad the actors didn't go to the supernatural universe just to get slaughtered by something and I'm happy with the revelation at the end. A ploy so the good guys can get gods WMD's and Virgil going end his days in a Canadian prison rotfl. Loved all the inside gags Kripke getting whacked and taking a ton of shots to go down and as to Raphael don't have a problem with the new body since his old one was destroyed but why only demons and monsters get to be hot chicks?

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    danharr wrote:

    Good episode as a Fringe watcher I wasn't in a hurry to do anymore universe jumping but this was fun. I'm glad the actors didn't go to the supernatural universe just to get slaughtered by something and I'm happy with the revelation at the end. A ploy so the good guys can get gods WMD's and Virgil going end his days in a Canadian prison rotfl. Loved all the inside gags Kripke getting whacked and taking a ton of shots to go down and as to Raphael don't have a problem with the new body since his old one was destroyed but why only demons and monsters get to be hot chicks?

    Maybe there's a reality some place where Sam and Dean ARE hot chicks.
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    libra113 wrote:
    Maybe there's a reality some place where Sam and Dean ARE hot chicks.


    Now that's Rule 63.

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    basenji529 wrote:

    libra113 wrote:
    Maybe there's a reality some place where Sam and Dean ARE hot chicks.


    Now that's Rule 63.

    Well, if you assume an infinate number of other realities then statistically there's bound to be one that corrisponds to every possible senerio, so yeah there's likely one like that...

    In fact, the going theory is that there's a reality for every choice we face. We're at a crossroads and we go left, there's also a reality where we go right, forward or back.
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    Actually, Rule 63 states "There is porn of it with the guys drawn as girls. No exceptions."


    And having seen things such as images of Cloud Strife (known for superdeformed muscles) as a female, yeah.

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    Eh, I liked the Stargate SG-1 fourth-wall episodes better, where we see the crew and stage hands messing around. And how after see a real space ship the special effects guys said "it was alright, we'll clean it up in post."


    Granted, Supernatural was a true fourth wall since the actors were playing themselves on Supernatural. Very meta (and I never use that word outside comic book meta-humans).



    I looked it up in IMDB after the episode, and true enough they did get married in real life in 2010. I did not know that, I thought it was a hoot to include it.


    Kripke's death was hilarious... just kept walking forward after 2 shot gun blasts until the third finished him. And that whole Octo-Cobra (or whatever) thing was a hoot.


    Hanging a lantern on the whole Robert Singer thing was funny too.


    Making fun of them shooting in Canada (where most good TV is made by the way) was also funny.


    How they kept assuming drugs, even when Misha said it was organs.


    Misha being a total Tweet-aholic and big on pop-culture while Cass is completely clueless about... everything.



    A good comedy episode, I like how they have 1 or 2 each season.

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    Also, I was wondering what happened to the Supernatural duo (from the "real" universe).


    Did they get swapped to the magic world and stomped by the Angels?


    Did they just go on a bender and come back to find everyone dead via gunfire?


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    dpebbleson wrote:
    I haven't seen Last Action Hero, and am curious what's it about.



    Last Action Hero was a decent action flick: a boy gets to experience his favorite action movie from inside the film.


    A young boy (early teens) is a major fan of a particular series of action movies starring Arnold Schwartzenagor.


    The boy is best friends with the owner of a beat-up movie theater that got a copy of the latest flick. He lets the kid watch the film a day before everyone else.


    To make the moment special, the owner gives the kid a ticket given to him by Houdini. He was told it would let him live the movie, but was too afraid to use it as a child.


    The kid gets sucked into the film and keeps trying to point out how much their lives are like a movie. How police precincts aren't filled with hot model-class female officers and how getting shot in the chest isn't a flesh-wound. And how the main character is the biggest action star around. Action, with some comedy, ensues. The kid realizes that while the main character is safe, he (as comic relief) is not.


    Eventually the hero (and villain) start to believe him, and then the kid, hero, and villain are sent to the real world to battle with real physics and real rules.


    Meanwhile, the "real" Arnold meets the movie-Arnold and the big premier.


    A decent action / comedy.


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    dpebbleson wrote:
    Though I can get along with fictional real worlds ( ), much better than with time-travel which burns my brain ; )



    I don't have a problem with Time Travel fiction, so long as they pick a set of rules and stick with them. And even when they fail to follow their own rules it's more aggravating than confusing.



    One annoying example was Heroes. They couldn't get their past time-travel rules solid, they kept changing their minds about what Hiro could and could not do.


    You can't change the past.


    OK, you can change the past.


    No, you really can't, it just turns out the same.


    Unless you feel like it, then you can.


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    kanniballl wrote:

    Also, I was wondering what happened to the Supernatural duo (from the "real" universe).


    Did they get swapped to the magic world and stomped by the Angels?


    Did they just go on a bender and come back to find everyone dead via gunfire?


    I don't know where they went but I bet they were mad when they came back.

    Their lives in ruins, their reps soiled, their credit cards maxed out and worst of all... they were seen talking to each other again.
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    kanniballl wrote:

    dpebbleson wrote:
    I haven't seen Last Action Hero, and am curious what's it about.



    Last Action Hero was a decent action flick: a boy gets to experience his favorite action movie from inside the film.


    A young boy (early teens) is a major fan of a particular series of action movies starring Arnold Schwartzenagor.


    The boy is best friends with the owner of a beat-up movie theater that got a copy of the latest flick. He lets the kid watch the film a day before everyone else.


    To make the moment special, the owner gives the kid a ticket given to him by Houdini. He was told it would let him live the movie, but was too afraid to use it as a child.


    The kid gets sucked into the film and keeps trying to point out how much their lives are like a movie. How police precincts aren't filled with hot model-class female officers and how getting shot in the chest isn't a flesh-wound. And how the main character is the biggest action star around. Action, with some comedy, ensues. The kid realizes that while the main character is safe, he (as comic relief) is not.


    Eventually the hero (and villain) start to believe him, and then the kid, hero, and villain are sent to the real world to battle with real physics and real rules.


    Meanwhile, the "real" Arnold meets the movie-Arnold and the big premier.


    A decent action / comedy.


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    dpebbleson wrote:
    Though I can get along with fictional real worlds ( ), much better than with time-travel which burns my brain ; )



    I don't have a problem with Time Travel fiction, so long as they pick a set of rules and stick with them. And even when they fail to follow their own rules it's more aggravating than confusing.



    One annoying example was Heroes. They couldn't get their past time-travel rules solid, they kept changing their minds about what Hiro could and could not do.


    You can't change the past.


    OK, you can change the past.


    No, you really can't, it just turns out the same.


    Unless you feel like it, then you can.




    Thanks very much for explanation! Sounds cool and interesting, and I will check it out.

    I agree about the Heroes. But then again, that show virtually started disintegrating after season 1. I rarely give up on shows, but I gave up during season 4, when I just had enough of boring. Indeed, their time-travel is something, it behaves different when they need it to be different. It used to be so cool in S1, but like everything else, it sucked afterwards.
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    kanniballl wrote:


    dpebbleson wrote:
    I haven't seen Last Action Hero, and am curious what's it about.



    Last Action Hero was a decent action flick: a boy gets to experience his favorite action movie from inside the film.


    A young boy (early teens) is a major fan of a particular series of action movies starring Arnold Schwartzenagor.


    The boy is best friends with the owner of a beat-up movie theater that got a copy of the latest flick. He lets the kid watch the film a day before everyone else.


    To make the moment special, the owner gives the kid a ticket given to him by Houdini. He was told it would let him live the movie, but was too afraid to use it as a child.


    The kid gets sucked into the film and keeps trying to point out how much their lives are like a movie. How police precincts aren't filled with hot model-class female officers and how getting shot in the chest isn't a flesh-wound. And how the main character is the biggest action star around. Action, with some comedy, ensues. The kid realizes that while the main character is safe, he (as comic relief) is not.


    Eventually the hero (and villain) start to believe him, and then the kid, hero, and villain are sent to the real world to battle with real physics and real rules.


    Meanwhile, the "real" Arnold meets the movie-Arnold and the big premier.


    A decent action / comedy.


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    Thanks. I was just going to post something similar but I you saved me the trouble. The only thing I would add is that when the protagonists and antagonists get to their "real world" the protagonist (Slater who is played by Arnold) has to stop the villian from killing his "real" self (who is of course also played by Arnold) because if Arnold dies there would be no one to play Slater and which would result in the removal of Slater's very existence from his own reality.


    Hence my interest in whether or not the writers of SPN had decided to follow the same route and, if they had, why Misha's death hadn't effected Jimmy/Castiel's vessel.


    I'm with you both on Heroes. Really decent first season but it pretty much went down hill from there. Season two was ok, but definatley a decline from the previous one and season three felt like Days of Our Lives. "Peter, your arch nemesis is actually your brother and your father is a man who is entirely different from a picture we showed of him in season 2 but don't worry no one will notice that because no one pays much attention to trivial detials. But actually, Syler isn't your brother. I just told him that to try and gain his allegiance. Oh look, now your powers aregone. Too bad for you!". I stopped watching half way through the season after that.

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    mynameisjohnas wrote:

    kanniballl wrote:


    dpebbleson wrote:
    I haven't seen Last Action Hero, and am curious what's it about.



    Last Action Hero was a decent action flick: a boy gets to experience his favorite action movie from inside the film.


    A young boy (early teens) is a major fan of a particular series of action movies starring Arnold Schwartzenagor.


    The boy is best friends with the owner of a beat-up movie theater that got a copy of the latest flick. He lets the kid watch the film a day before everyone else.


    To make the moment special, the owner gives the kid a ticket given to him by Houdini. He was told it would let him live the movie, but was too afraid to use it as a child.


    The kid gets sucked into the film and keeps trying to point out how much their lives are like a movie. How police precincts aren't filled with hot model-class female officers and how getting shot in the chest isn't a flesh-wound. And how the main character is the biggest action star around. Action, with some comedy, ensues. The kid realizes that while the main character is safe, he (as comic relief) is not.


    Eventually the hero (and villain) start to believe him, and then the kid, hero, and villain are sent to the real world to battle with real physics and real rules.


    Meanwhile, the "real" Arnold meets the movie-Arnold and the big premier.


    A decent action / comedy.


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    Thanks. I was just going to post something similar but I you saved me the trouble. The only thing I would add is that when the protagonists and antagonists get to their "real world" the protagonist (Slater who is played by Arnold) has to stop the villian from killing his "real" self (who is of course also played by Arnold) because if Arnold dies there would be no one to play Slater and which would result in the removal of Slater's very existence from his own reality.


    Hence my interest in whether or not the writers of SPN had decided to follow the same route and, if they had, why Misha's death hadn't effected Jimmy/Castiel's vessel.


    I'm with you both on Heroes. Really decent first season but it pretty much went down hill from there. Season two was ok, but definatley a decline from the previous one and season three felt like Days of Our Lives. "Peter, your arch nemesis is actually your brother and your father is a man who is entirely different from a picture we showed of him in season 2 but don't worry no one will notice that because no one pays much attention to trivial detials. But actually, Syler isn't your brother. I just told him that to try and gain his allegiance. Oh look, now your powers aregone. Too bad for you!". I stopped watching half way through the season after that.

    Apprently, they didn't adapt that rule and, unless I'm remembering the movie wrong, it wasn't REALLY another Earth it was litterally inside the movie. In the "Supernatural" episode it was an actual physcial world where their lives just happened to be a tv show.

    I didn't watch "Heroes" much beyond a handful of season one episodes. I started late and couldn't figure out what was going on then "24" started back and I didn't care anymore. I miss "24".
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    So was the Jansen/Jared not talking thing just a big joke?
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